/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17599147]

"Sandersoy" edition.

Previous Thread: >>17592069

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[Anonymous No.17599155]

First for read Piranesi.

[Anonymous No.17599224]

>>17599147
I’m glad this image I made has been put to good use.

Also threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

[Anonymous No.17599229]

>>17599224
Based.

[Anonymous No.17599256]

The more I write, the more I understand how easy Bakker's prose was to write.
>Copypaste KJV, Silmarillion, Crusades, Cormac McCarthy, and Wikipedia-tier philosophical passages into your setting for instant plotting, depth, and "impress 'em" factor.
>Sherlock Holmes effect: Kellhus always knows best, is always able to persuade others, always commands respect, because that's what the author wants.
>Grimdark gambit: when in doubt, just resort to the most horrific scenario possible.
>Betrayal plotting: 90% of relationships in the books revolve around betrayal and manipulation, some characters leveraging their power to gain something from others. It lends itself to shallow and boring character development, and it makes it hard to really care about the characters.
>Marvel shit: People complain about Marvel shit in Sanderson, but there's tons of it in Bakker too. "OOOHH the heckin dragons flying around blasting everything vomiting fire from their furnace maw while flying mages throw up Wards of sorcery, their heads radiant furnaces of light."
I enjoy Bakker's books, and shill him frequently in these threads, but let's be real guys, he's just a little bit of a hack. He's obviously much smarter than a tard like Sandersoom, but he's really just a genre writer with a little added zazz, not some literary titan like Borges or Joyce... even though he thinks he is, and apparently most of the posters here do too.

[Anonymous No.17599262]

>>17599256
>>17599212
>I enjoy Bakker's books, and shill him frequently in these threads

[Anonymous No.17599288]

Is Bakker really that good?

[Anonymous No.17599307]

>>17599288
It's a fair question. You will only know if you give it a try. He's my favorite fantasy writer.

[Anonymous No.17599316]

>>17599288
Just take a close look at the people who viciously hate him/his works.

[Anonymous No.17599360]

Eärwa is such a miserable and depressing place, holy shit.

If you had to live somewhere in this cursed shithole, where would you pick?

[Anonymous No.17599366]

>>17599360
Probably Zeüm.

[Anonymous No.17599376]

>>17599155
Based

[Anonymous No.17599382]

>>17599360
Ce Tydonn

[Anonymous No.17599391]

>>17599382
because muh racism, amirite?

>>17599366
i'd go there or a nice upper-caste town on the sea coast of conriya.

[Anonymous No.17599395]

>>17599360
High Ainon

[Anonymous No.17599401]

>>17599391
Somewhere in Nilnamesh by the sea would also be kino.

[Anonymous No.17599409]

>>17599360
Thousand Temples

[Anonymous No.17599424]

>>17599147

[Anonymous No.17599442]

>>17599424

[Anonymous No.17599450]

>>17599442
This desu.

[Anonymous No.17599454]

>>17599442
based!

[Anonymous No.17599455]

>>17599155
I will once I'm able to find a copy that isn't 20-30$

[Anonymous No.17599487]

>>17599424
>then
>anough
>you midwits

[Anonymous No.17599544]

>>17599360
golgotterath

[Anonymous No.17599546]

>>17599224
Currently reading Darkness That Comes Before and loving it, the part where the Scylvendi get destroyed by the mages was fucking awesome

[Anonymous No.17599548]

>>17599288
Are the people who post here really intelligent?

[Anonymous No.17599552]

Why engage with the shitposters at all? They'll never go away if you keep rewarding their behavior with dopamine.

[Anonymous No.17599567]

>>17599360
The most nigger-free area

[Anonymous No.17599638]

What are some fantasy books with great illustrations? I really like what's in The Hobbit.

[Anonymous No.17599642]

>>17599548
Some are. You're not one of them though.

[Anonymous No.17599646]

>>17599546
Based.

[Anonymous No.17599658]

why is every available edition of John Langan's The Fisherman $20+? Surely someone has a used copy kicking around somewhere

[Anonymous No.17599669]

>>17599658
Even if you like paper books, there's literally no excuse for not owning one of these.

[Anonymous No.17599678]

>>17599669
I have an excuse I don't have one

[Anonymous No.17599681]

Is Oasis Kindle worth it?

[Anonymous No.17599692]

>Halfway through Death's End
>Trisolaris getting fucking annihilated
>Fourth dimension shenanigans
This is getting spooky.

[Anonymous No.17599693]

>>17599681
Yes. Just don't buy the cheaper e-readers they sell. And don't buy Kobo, I've owned both and it's not even close.

[Anonymous No.17599694]

>>17599669
>family member doesn't use their old Kindle
>knows I read so they let me have it for free
>mfw
It's not quite as soothing as paper of course but being able to read in the dark without having to finagle with any weird lights is wonderful, not to mention all the other neat features and being able to get books instantly. My wallet's weeping because of it.

[Anonymous No.17599705]

>>17599694
>My wallet's weeping because of it.
Dude, what?

[Anonymous No.17599710]

>>17599669
I don't read paper books, nor do I have a kindle. I use either my PC or my Galaxy S8+. Can't beat OLED.

[Anonymous No.17599720]

>>17599705
>can buy books with literally one button press, don't even have to enter payment info
>if I get a whim to try a book I can have it in 20 seconds and the longest part is typing the name in the search bar
It's impulse buying on an extreme level.

[Anonymous No.17599725]

>>17599710
>I don't read paper books, nor do I have a kindle.
>I use either my PC or my Galaxy S8+.
>Can't beat OLED.

[Anonymous No.17599729]

>>17599725
Cope. 17 books read this year.

[Anonymous No.17599731]

>>17599693
Why should I pay so much more than a Paperwhite?

[Anonymous No.17599745]

>>17599147
That has to be a false flag to make Sanderbros look bad

[Anonymous No.17599751]

>>17599731
If you think about it, even if it's a relative big leap in price, you'll probably spend multiple thousands of hours on that. For ~200$ is well worth the price. The screen is not only bigger, but you have the warm light option. It's extremely comfortable.

Also, it's perfect to read Manga. I personally don't, but some other anon mentioned that on another thread.

[Anonymous No.17599753]

>>17599720
>buying non-physical media
>ever

[Anonymous No.17599755]

>>17599745
The Bacuck (as uttered by a chicken) shitposting has made me start reading Sanderson out of spite.

[Anonymous No.17599758]

>>17599753
I have more money than time

[Anonymous No.17599759]

>>17599745
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17599775]

Just finished marathoning this.
I really liked it, but are the sequels worth reading too or is this another case of an author retroactively ruining his original, more popular work with unnecessary exposition?

[Anonymous No.17599776]

>>17599755
Holy shit, I've been talking to a chicken this entire time?
Now I understand why your IQ is so low.

[Anonymous No.17599780]

>>17599755
>letting other people control your actions
You've been Kellhus'd so hard by posters on a Bhutanese stamp collecting forum. You can't even see the darkness that moves your soul. Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17599787]

>>17599758
Dude just pirate stuff. I never buy books from dead authors.

[Anonymous No.17599790]

>>17599729
I am coping very well, it's your eyes that are not.

[Anonymous No.17599791]

>>17599780
Every second my manhood spends outside of your rectum's warm embrace troubles me.

[Anonymous No.17599794]

>>17599642
But I'm not a Sandersoy though, faggot

[Anonymous No.17599799]

>>17599693
>And don't buy Kobo
Whats wrong with Kobo?
I got myself H2O ages ago and it has served me well so far. I haven't used any others though, so I might now know what I'm missing out on.
Only thing that kind of annoys me is how slow it can be at times to load shit.

[Anonymous No.17599801]

>>17599751
>>17599731

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM2bLJx7cAg
Have a look at this video.

[Anonymous No.17599806]

>>17599790
Clearly you are not, considering you're the one driving this conversation unprompted.

[Anonymous No.17599807]

>>17599787
The effort required to pirate books is significantly higher than simply buying them.

[Anonymous No.17599812]

>>17599360
Zeum, where I wouldn't have to think about the North and the Three Seas.

[Anonymous No.17599813]

>>17599658
I am so sorry, but it really happened.
>>/lit/thread/S17592581#p17595832

[Anonymous No.17599818]

Favourite scene from The Darkness that Came Before is when Conphas gets shit on by the bird and his guys try and pass it off as a positive thing with augury.

[Anonymous No.17599822]

>>17599658
I can't even find it in kindle format.

[Anonymous No.17599823]

>>17599745
>>17599813

Fuck I answered to wrong post.

[Anonymous No.17599825]

>>17599455
Anon, go to library genesis.

[Anonymous No.17599828]

>>17599791
So you just live troubled then

[Anonymous No.17599830]

>>17599818
That wasn't Conphas, it was his uncle.

[Anonymous No.17599832]

>>17599807
Not if you know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.17599833]

>>17599787
What's a good site for pirating shit that isn't a botnet?

[Anonymous No.17599834]

>>17599818
It was Ikurei Xerius who got shit on, not Conphas but yes its was kino.

[Anonymous No.17599840]

>>17599833
soulseek, it's an app, good for getting epubs. google it

[Anonymous No.17599841]

>>17599799
The Kobo dictionary support is abysmal. You also don't have a native translator or a direct Wikipedia acess by clicking on a word.

The hardware built quality is also slightly worse, not to mention that the books available on the Amazon library are generally cheaper and you're not force to buy certain editions. Kobo blocks you regionally.

>>17599818
You're confused.

[Anonymous No.17599848]

>>17599833
b-ok .cc

[Anonymous No.17599852]

I just finished Rosewater Insurrection and holy shit was it better than the first book. Why did he left all the good stuff in the 2nd book?

[Anonymous No.17599858]

an anon a few threads back said he was working on some Nonman fanart.
WELL, WHERE IS IT...???? TELL ME....

[Anonymous No.17599861]

>>17599807
You must be retarded if you think so. Use library genesis or b-ok.

[Anonymous No.17599865]

What's the most based past tense for "shit"?

Shit or Shat?
I like Shat more.

[Anonymous No.17599871]

>>17599865
shit'd

[Anonymous No.17599876]

>>17599865
t h e
m o r e
s h e
. . . .

[Anonymous No.17599883]

>>17599833
libgen

[Anonymous No.17599884]

>>17599861
>>17599832
Piracy isn't hard, but it's sure as fuck not easier than buying.

[Anonymous No.17599909]

On the subject of shitting what's Wyman Manderly doing in the toilets of Winterfell in Dance, is he really just doing what he says and emptying his bowels after a good meal or is he actually up to something suspicious during these hour long breaks?

[Anonymous No.17599911]

>>17599884
Control your ADHD. IF you're not a turbo autist who reads 20 books at a time you can just every once in a while grab a book and leave it at Calibre while you're finishing what you're reading, and then when it's time to read it you can just transfer the entire batch to your device and not worry about it for a good while. That will save you hundreds of bucks.

[Anonymous No.17599915]

>>17599876
i thank grrm for this meme, as disgusting as it is.

i also thank him for being better at writing and worldbuilding than sandersoi

[Anonymous No.17599934]

>>17599909
Does anyone really know or care at this point? GRRM has written himself so deep in a shithole, with endless tangles of intrigue and subplots, that it all comes out a senseless melange without rhyme or reason... much like Manderly's thick, hot, muddled shits in the Winterfell privies.

[Anonymous No.17599944]

>>17599911
>grab shit from libgen
>no guarantee it's not fucked up in some way like not having the cover or title formatting botched
>libgen itself is incomplete as fuck (found this out the hard way when trying to get Escoffier's stuff)
Yeah nah, I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.17599959]

>sorcerous duals

[Anonymous No.17599962]

>>17599806
>Clearly you are not, considering you're the one driving this conversation unprompted.

It must suck to be poor in order to justify using a sub-par method for reading.
I will always enjoy the absolute superior methods though.
Calming that OLED is in any way, shape or form better than e-ink for reading is the ultimate poorfag cope.

[Anonymous No.17599975]

>>17599962
I'm not justifying shit. You're the one seething and coping. OLED and poorfag in the same sentence also doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.17599983]

Is it actually worth upgrading from an old basic Kindle to a Paperwhite or Oasis? E-Ink sounds like a meme.

[Anonymous No.17599990]

>>17599975
>OLED and poorfag in the same sentence also doesn't make any sense.
>He thinks he's not poor because he owns an OLED Smartphone.

[Anonymous No.17600008]

>>17599983
>Is it actually worth upgrading from an old basic Kindle
>E-Ink sounds like a meme.

Is your basic Kindle not E-Ink?
In any case, I'd never buy anything other than the Oasis.

[Anonymous No.17600013]

now that the dust has settled, can we agree that

>That hideous strength

Is the best title of any sffg book?

[Anonymous No.17600014]

>>17599990
Goddamn, you're retarded. Any other wild assumptions you want to share?

[Anonymous No.17600015]

>>17600008
I'm not entirely sure because it's fucking old.

[Anonymous No.17600022]

>>17599983
Yes because of the light. Paperwhite or Oasis depends on how much money you can spare.

[Anonymous No.17600023]

>>17600015
What's it called (version)? I'm genuinely curious. I've never seen one.

[Anonymous No.17600047]

>>17600015
Don't tell me you own this beauty:

[Anonymous No.17600057]

>>17600047
Forgot link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adcvWfGJXSE

[Anonymous No.17600063]

>when you cut out the BS from /sffg/

[Anonymous No.17600082]

>>17600063
Sanderson is Red.
Bakker is Blue.
You're a retard, so fuck you.

[Anonymous No.17600091]

anyone here has read the Vorkosigan saga? is it good?

[Anonymous No.17600096]

>>17599911
just on a whim i tried setting up calibre and it's based on registering at some shitty german email place and then connecting it to your specific kindle email account and authorizing a gorillion permissions and then you may be able to email it to your kindle but maybe not because there's no real immediate way to verify that it's working
vs
pressing the "books" button on the kindle, typing in the name of whatever book you want, clicking it, and hitting the buy button

[Anonymous No.17600138]

>>17600096
What? Just use an USB cable, nigga. I never needed to do this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17600139]

What can I read if what I want is bloodshed and gore? I want to hear about people ripping the beating hearts out of their enemies and cracking skulls open.
Things I've already read
>conan
>all of tokien
>all of lovecraft
>horus heresy
>night lords
>all of bakker
>malazan
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.17600156]

Are Warhammer novels worth reading? I like the mood and style of warhammer but I don't want to get into the miniature thing and lose all my savings and time.

[Anonymous No.17600160]

how do i make a based character?

[Anonymous No.17600171]

>>17600156
>>17600160
Read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17600173]

>>17600160
Just make him racist and smug.

[Anonymous No.17600174]

>>17600171
Based.

[Anonymous No.17600178]

>>17600156
Depends who you ask, the novels are so different between them that it's impossible to just try one and decide. I personally really liked the Horus Heresy novels.
You gotta try everything and see what you like.

[Anonymous No.17600218]

>>17600173
what about sexist and smug? Will that achieve the same effect? My character is kind of bros with someone of another race already.

[Anonymous No.17600242]

>>17600218
How new are you, seriously? Do you think that bein a racist and being friends with a person from another racer are mutually exclusive things?

Human beings are walking contradictions.

[Anonymous No.17600293]

>>17600218
>kind of bros with someone of another race already.
Yikes, you trying to corner the woke market Sandersoy?

[Anonymous No.17600305]

Bros?

[Anonymous No.17600306]

>>17600218
>what about sexist and smug?
A character who is not sexist cannot be based

[Anonymous No.17600316]

>>17600293
are there even black people in Sandersoy? I thought mormons didn't believe in black people or something

[Anonymous No.17600346]

>>17600316
there are blacks but you know its fiction, if they are black doesnt mean they are niggers

[Anonymous No.17600387]

>>17600346
>black doesnt mean they are niggers
Well it is fantasy after all, though it's a pretty criminal idea to push

[Anonymous No.17600405]

Somewhat spoilery question for Bakker stuff
Does it ever elaborate on the nature of the No-God, or is it just a big evil shit sitting in the North forever?

[Anonymous No.17600413]

>>17600405
That was "supposedly" planned for his No-God series, so we can only speculate.

[Anonymous No.17600415]

>>17600405
yes

[Anonymous No.17600425]

>>17600413
>>17600415
noice, thanks

[Anonymous No.17600452]

1 year

;..;

[Anonymous No.17600457]

>>17600452
>3 days

[Anonymous No.17600460]

>>17600452
who gives a fuck stop posting about this retarded loser

[Anonymous No.17600475]

>>17600460
I do care. And I will never stop posting about him.

:)

[Anonymous No.17600484]

>>17600460
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17600493]

>>17600460
>keep posting constantly about this tortured genius
fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.17600497]

>>17600242
>>17600218
It's true, it's disgusting how well racists get along with racists of other races. The more "antiracist" mainstream society gets the closer the racists of different races are driven. We are uniting in a beautiful rainbow of friendship and racism.

[Anonymous No.17600776]

>>17600452

[Anonymous No.17600780]

>>17599360
Which place has the cutest waifus?

[Anonymous No.17600788]

>>17600780
Depends on what you like.

For me, it's Sumna whores.

[Anonymous No.17600830]

>>17600788
nigga who is this

[Anonymous No.17600838]

>>17600830
It's mommy Esmi ;-)

[Anonymous No.17600845]

At what point does it stop being fantasy and start being urban fantasy or even alternative history?

[Anonymous No.17600855]

>>17599360
>High Anon
sign me tf up

[Anonymous No.17600861]

>>17599147
whats even more embarrassing is that whoever made this fell for a troll and did all that work to make it

[Anonymous No.17600877]

>>17600780
>>17600830
I always image the swayali witches to be like anime girls for some reason. The Second Apocalypse always looks animated in my head.

[Anonymous No.17600889]

>>17600855
>Kiz
>Rule by the Scarlet Spires
>The Worm
>City of Flies
>Sranc Pits
Really anon? Ainon sounds like absolute hell on earth. but desu would be fun to take a bunch of chanv and turn smarter and translucent.

[Anonymous No.17600901]

>>17599360
>Discount Middle-Earth

[Anonymous No.17600910]

>>17600901
>Walmart-brand Middle Earth
>Lower Middle Earth
that's kind of the point desu

[Anonymous No.17600923]

Fine, faggots
I'm buying The Darkness that Comes Before
It better be good and not a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.17600951]

>>17599360
How can they know it's the Great Ocean without another ocean as a point of reference?

[Anonymous No.17600953]

>>17600923
Are you a nigger or a faggot, anon? Do you consume sóy on a daily basis? Those facts might impact your enjoyment of the book(s).

[Anonymous No.17600985]

The Bak is still holding a huge lead on the official /sffg/ Favorite Fantasy Authors Poll.

Vote now if you haven't already.
>One Anon, One Vote.
>No IP fuckery allowed.
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/

[Anonymous No.17601043]

>>17600985
>No Glen Cook
how dare you?

[Anonymous No.17601060]

>>17600861
Oh no no no no no.

[Anonymous No.17601066]

>>17600985
SANDERSON

THE ABSOLUTE STATE

[Anonymous No.17601078]

>>17599360
Galeoth seems like a nice place to live in.

[Anonymous No.17601089]

>>17601078
If you like Skinnies.

[Anonymous No.17601091]

>>17600985
FUCKING BAKKERCHUDS

UGH

[Anonymous No.17601117]

>>17601089
>Skinnies
What are those?

[Anonymous No.17601127]

>>17601117
sranc
*mouth waters at the thought of sizzling Meat, so like fish, or lamb...*

[Anonymous No.17601129]

>>17601117
read The Judging Eye

[Anonymous No.17601135]

>>17601089
Desu Thunyerus and Ce Tydonn have a much bigger Sranc problem than Galeoth. Also Galeoth seems to be the most civilized of the Norsirai kingdoms in the three seas.

[Anonymous No.17601140]

>>17599256
yeah, gonna stand by my conclusion that everyone who goes nuts for him really just fell for a meme. there's some interesting world-building underneath that dreck, a couple interesting characters. but bakker-san is way more interested in creaming to another episode of the cuckmaster (TM) gary stu'ing over a backdrop of rape rape rape.

it just comes across as ridiculously juvenile, hard to find much enjoyment as a middle-aged, happily-married man.

[Anonymous No.17601162]

How big do you think the Great Ordeal was?
As in, if they camped in perfect square shape how long would one side of the square be?

[Anonymous No.17601163]

>>17601140
>bakker-san
Found the weeb shitter.

[Anonymous No.17601167]

>>17599360
Golgotterath

[Anonymous No.17601189]

Bakker-sama*

[Anonymous No.17601203]

>>17601162
It was 300,000 soldiers plus assorted servants, slaves, and functionaries.

[Anonymous No.17601220]

>>17599759
absolutely not

[Anonymous No.17601261]

>>17599360
Holy fuck are there more of these? A map of the world is exactly what I needed.

[Anonymous No.17601300]

>>17601261
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/earwa_4109_sm_by_spiralhorizon-d83j917.jpg

Thank me latter. This is unironically all that you're gonna need, aside form the glossary.

[Anonymous No.17601303]

How would wizards actually earn money? No one’s going to pay you to throw a bunch of fireballs everywhere.

[Anonymous No.17601313]

>>17601303
Which series are we talking about?

[Anonymous No.17601317]

>>17600985
Who's Bakker, and does he have so many votes? Is he that good?

[Anonymous No.17601318]

>>17601300
I'll thank you now because this is excellent, but what do you mean by Glossary?

[Anonymous No.17601324]

>>17599876
>HBO announces development of Roger Zelazny's Roadmarks, with GRRM exec producing
>no Winds of Winter update
>sobbing fans everywhere
>sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp

[Anonymous No.17601329]

>>17601317
It's half-meme because Bakker is a running joke here, but he is indeed pretty good.

[Anonymous No.17601330]

>>17601318
At the end of each book, you have a glossary with all the names of the people and who they are.

[Anonymous No.17601333]

>>17601330
o fuck
i've been reading digitally so i haven't looked at that yet, will now

[Anonymous No.17601341]

>>17600889
>chanv
What the fuck is this shit anyway?

[Anonymous No.17601342]

>>17601317
>Who's Bakker
/sffg/'s Lord and Saviour.

>Is he that good?
Yes!

[Anonymous No.17601354]

>>17601313
Any generic fantasy setting, really. Just a thought experiment more than questioning a book’s internal consistency.

[Anonymous No.17601367]

>>17601333
You don't NEED it, but it's something handy so that you don't miss the secondary and tertiary character's names.

[Anonymous No.17601369]

>>17600985
>Lewis is ranked higher than Sanderson
holy based

[Anonymous No.17601376]

>>17599729
Nice ngl but how many pages on average tho.

[Anonymous No.17601380]

Let's say I want to finally get a fantasy book published. Is there an avenue /lit/ would recommend in this day and age? If it's not pop enough, there's no reason to go through conventional publishers, right? Should I just self-publish and hope for the best?

[Anonymous No.17601385]

>>17600985
Voted Bakker when that anon first made the poll, but tried again for laughs and it went through.
Picked Sanderson this time.

[Anonymous No.17601395]

>>17600063
i'd much rather talk about the space trilogy than sandershits or bakkerape.

has anyone read it? been on my list for a long time, not sure when i'll get around to it

[Anonymous No.17601397]

>>17600985
You should make a new poll. Too many people on "Other".

[Anonymous No.17601403]

>>17600096
you're clearly doing calibre wrong then. i've never linked my amazon account to the app on my computer, i transfer everything from PC to kindle via USB

[Anonymous No.17601416]

>>17600139
wagner's Kane?
moorcuck's elric?

[Anonymous No.17601424]

>>17601403
The good thing about having an amazon account is that people can send me books via my kindle's unique e-mail address.

[Anonymous No.17601445]

>>17600452
why tf did he post so much shit about drumpf?? it all read like he had a giant paraphilia about the idea of him and the extreme exaggeration of trumps actions.

i get that he's canadian, but jfc thought they weren't all such hate-thirsters

[Anonymous No.17601452]

>>17600457
somuchnonsense.jpeg

[Anonymous No.17601460]

>>17601354
I mean of course people are going to pay for you to throw fireballs if you're in a setting with heavy militaristic themes; one wizard could be worth hundreds of normal soldiers and would likely command a price to match. Additionally they also tend to have methods of scrying, glamour, and protection, and so make excellent spies (Bakker in particular loves this idea). Wizards can often literally create food and objects for themselves (D&D) or be literally superhuman and thus not needing much in the way of material wealth (Tolkien). There are also occasionally ways for wizards to literally create money (D&D 3.5e) and of course the ability to create or enchant magical items would fetch a high price as well (Elder Scrolls both lore and gameplay). And of course there are also scenarios where wizards can perform mundane feats such as construction using magical methods to manipulate material (ATLA is an easy example). Failing that they're almost universally literate and intelligent so they make excellent scribes, secretaries, magistrates, etc. This all assumes that wizards actually need to work and aren't in a setting where the powers that be provide them with funding in exchange for support because having wizards on your side is an extremely huge asset both politically and militarily (Star Wars).

Basically there's very little wizards can't do that normal people can.

[Anonymous No.17601461]

>>17601452

[Anonymous No.17601462]

>>17601424
>t. Jeff Bezos

[Anonymous No.17601465]

>>17600923
it's a meme, although if you're of a certain autistic/antisocial/depressingly homosexual persuasion you'll love it

[Anonymous No.17601476]

>>17601462
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17601490]

>>17601476
Can you revert the cancellation of The Expanse and give us the Laconia arc?

[Anonymous No.17601501]

>>17601300
werthead also did a 6 part history of earwa that's a lot more logical than bakker ever made it.

worth reading for a refresher/overview, especially the history of the nonmen

[Anonymous No.17601519]

>>17601424
why are other people sending you books?

[Anonymous No.17601528]

E William Brown better fucking publish.

[Anonymous No.17601539]

>>17601341
I'm guessing it's quirri by a different name.

[Anonymous No.17601564]

>>17601376
The shortest I've read is Song of Kali at around 280 pages. It fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.17601567]

>>17600951
Humans came from the eastern continent to war against the nonmen. That is about as far back as human history went, but they might've had knowledge of different oceans back then.

[Anonymous No.17601641]

Bakkerlet question
Does Geshrunni getting his face ripped off have any connection to the Nonman with the cloak of faces that Kellhus fights or is it just Bakker's favorite sort of violence?

[Anonymous No.17601696]

>>17601641
no don't think so, it was partly the violent nature of the killer, perhaps partly to disguise the identity of the victim

[Anonymous No.17601701]

>>17601641
bakkers favorite sort of violence is a gay cannibal holocaust

[Anonymous No.17601702]

>>17601696
Thanks for clarifying, hadn't thought about that last part. I'm still fairly early so I'm not sure how high on the "bad news" scale a Nonman is.

[Anonymous No.17601713]

>>17601702
pretty bad news, but they are very rare in the three seas/south, since they are easily spotted and inrithism says they need to be killed, they mostly live up north.

[Anonymous No.17601722]

>>17601713
What exactly IS a Nonman, anyway? Like a beastman? Like what do they look like?

[Anonymous No.17601725]

>>17601452
What about it doesn't make sense to you? Maybe I can clarify.

[Anonymous No.17601736]

>>17601725
No, fuck that.

When are you going to write an update on your blog?

[Anonymous No.17601743]

>>17601341
>>17601539
It's not qirri. It's a drug from Jekkhia that increases intelligence and lifespan at the cost of turning your skin translucent. The Scarlet Spires sorcerers were all addicted to it, and Kellhus dabbled as well (in the "does it trouble you" scene, he serves Proyas anpoi (fermented peach drink, which I REALLY want to try) mixed with chanv.

[Anonymous No.17601745]

>>17601722
totally hairless bipedals with fused teeth and very pale skin, taller and stronger than humans, they probably look a bit like engineers from the promethues movie

[Anonymous No.17601753]

>>17601743
Elazaerus notes that it's source is completely unknown, so it's pretty sus.

[Anonymous No.17601757]

reading "out of the silent planet" and it's pretty epic, no spoilers please but what did you guys think of the series?

[Anonymous No.17601758]

>>17601745
Very spooky, no wonder they can be spotted so easily. Thank you for enlightening me.

[Anonymous No.17601767]

Nonmen are one of the most interesting, tragic and beautiful things Bakker has created.

[Anonymous No.17601775]

>>17601722
>What exactly IS a Nonman, anyway?
Bakker's elves

[Anonymous No.17601780]

>>17601743
>>17601753

The translucent skin makes me think Inchoroi. Could be nonmen though. Possibly some alchemical qirri derivative.

[Anonymous No.17601784]

This is pasta, but should I actually do it?

[Anonymous No.17601792]

>>17601784
No need, anon... He already walks among us.

[Anonymous No.17601795]

>>17601725
wtf is heuristic collapse?
sense-making apparatus?
"There is only that which is, which necessarily must remain cogent"
linguistic conciousness?
pragmatic self-space?

idc if you really are bakker or some other shitposter, but stop using jargon and made-up expressions that no one else readily understands. if you are bakker, this is the primary reason that no one else in academic philosophy takes you seriously and why you're instead relegate to badly renovating a barn and dealing with your trump obsession/arthritis/childhood rape

[Anonymous No.17601810]

>>17601795

[Anonymous No.17601812]

>>17601780
how can you make qirri without dead nonmen ?

[Anonymous No.17601819]

>>17601795
>but stop using jargon and made-up expressions that I don't understand.
FTFY

[Anonymous No.17601829]

>>17601810
>look mom i posted it again.jpeg

exceptional explanation, thank you so very much

[Anonymous No.17601842]

>>17601819
i guarantee you that others don't understand it either. inscrutability is not a measure of excellence

[Anonymous No.17601865]

>>17601795
You're basically discrediting someone's lifework based on your own ignorance. You are unironically a low IQ retard. Not different from the 1 star reviewers that can't finish someone's book.

Based on that fact, we (/sffg/) unironically and irrevocably accept your surrender. In a non-meme way. You have been utterly BTFO.

[Anonymous No.17601870]

[Anonymous No.17601877]

>>17601870
No.

[Anonymous No.17601878]

Anyone read any of the WH40K books? If so:
They good?
Any taking place on the chaos/evil/bad side?

[Anonymous No.17601884]

>>17601878
Ciaphas Cain is excellent if you're looking for something relatively lightheated, can't speak for the rest

[Anonymous No.17601886]

>>17601870
who's on the right

[Anonymous No.17601895]

>>17601842
Do you have any evidence to back that up? Because Bakker inspired me to start reading philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17601896]

>>17601870
based and gardnerpilled

[Anonymous No.17601901]

>>17601842
I understand it. His verbiage is overly flowery but the logic is fine.

[Anonymous No.17601902]

>>17601877
Damn, he does look like a tranny t.b.h

[Anonymous No.17601908]

>>17601842
>>17601819
I understood exactly what he was saying, and I'm just a philosophy of mindlet. Read these thread if you need a brainlet-tier primer on material eliminativist theories of neuropsych:
>>17600237
>>17599993

[Anonymous No.17601909]

>>17601870
Best book to ever come out of these threads.

[Anonymous No.17601929]

>>17601877
Is that the Sandersoy on the bottom right?

[Anonymous No.17601945]

>>17601870
I heckin love Gardnerposters

[Anonymous No.17601948]

>>17599360
Scylvendi, so I suppose roaming somewhere on the steppe and shit with the occasional raids for cunny.

[Anonymous No.17601978]

>>17601792
>being this deluded
>posting it in every thread
You're the internet equivalent of a smelly homeless street preacher who won't shut up about his personal god.

[Anonymous No.17601990]

>>17601795
>wtf is heuristic collapse?
What the fuck is /a/ heuristic collapse. A heuristic collapse, is the collapse of a heuristic into a decision.

>sense-making apparatus?
Put simply, your brain (should you possess one, the jury is still talking last I heard.) It refers more specifically to the complex system of 'conscious' and unconscious processes that generate your picture of what is and compare it against your (still generated) picture of what should be based on your cognitive ecology.

>"There is only that which is, which necessarily must remain cogent"
The only things that exist are things that exist. All things that exist must remain self-consistent inside /some/ framework which is not necessarily the framework your cognition evolved with.

>linguistic conciousness?
Consciousness follows linguistic tenets, which at their simplest mean that reality will be fractionated into objects, with an I at the center differentiating you from the world. Object/subject.

>pragmatic self-space?
This is the phrase I suspected would cause the most issue. Pragmatic in that it cleaves to an intentional path. Self-space in that it is centered around a differentiated I.

[Anonymous No.17601997]

>>17601978
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17601998]

>>17601878
eisenhorn is a good entry point, about an inquisitor, good books.

some of the HH books are very good, horus rising, falsegods and galaxy in flames are a good entry trilogy point and all good books.

Other good books for chaos would be Fulgrim, the first heretic (word bearers) and betrayer (word bearers and world eaters).

Night lords trilogy is meant to be good

caiapas cain is funny

gaunts ghosts is sharpes rifles in space and pretty good

[Anonymous No.17602034]

>>17601978
“Yes,” Anon murmured. “He speaks to me as well.”
“The Bakker?” the Hater asked.
Scrutiny. Calculation.
"Yes. He replies to my posts in /sffg/."
“Then you truly are mad.”

[Anonymous No.17602043]

>>17601743
The scalpers seem sharper and livelier after qirri, which is what I'd expect chanv users to feel after each hit.

[Anonymous No.17602089]

Jesus, this book was shit.

[Anonymous No.17602092]

>>17602034
"and what do the voices say about me" said the sandersoy
"they warn me you are a redditor still"
"as are you."
"I am more"

[Anonymous No.17602099]

>>17602089
This is why babbies shouldn't be reading physical books.

[Anonymous No.17602115]

>>17602092

[Anonymous No.17602119]

>>17601998
>is meant to be good
Doesn't every writer mean to write well?
>>17601884

Thanks a bunch, have a good one, cheers.

[Anonymous No.17602130]

>>17602089
Kek

I was going to pick this up. Is it that bad?

[Anonymous No.17602133]

What's the best licensed SF novel out there?

[Anonymous No.17602134]

>>17601997
Does an answer fuel your mental illness?

[Anonymous No.17602164]

>>17601990
update your blog, please.

[Anonymous No.17602168]

>>17602134
A söy after all.

[Anonymous No.17602169]

>>17602164
>under 4 stars based on 20k reviews
ohnononono

[Anonymous No.17602181]

>>17599155
Very based, though I wish it had been longer. Understandable, considering Clarke suffers from chronic fatigue or something like that.

[Anonymous No.17602193]

what has higher standards? science fiction or fantasy? and tell me why its fantasy

[Anonymous No.17602195]

>>17602193
SF

[Anonymous No.17602197]

>>17602169
>I rely on the opinions of others to judge a book's quality.
Imagine admitting that you're a low IQ retard.

[Anonymous No.17602205]

>>17601303
>No one’s going to pay you to throw a bunch of fireballs everywhere.
They'll pay you not to

[Anonymous No.17602226]

>>17602197
2 stars at best, lmao.

[Anonymous No.17602243]

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56082145-bear-head
>amazing sequel to dogs of war has a 4.40 rating
>no one here has read it

[Anonymous No.17602245]

>>17602193
SF purists are incredibly autistic

[Anonymous No.17602270]

>>17602205
Wizards running a protection racket sounds like a great premise for a book all on its own.

[Anonymous No.17602299]

>>17602226
For your brain? I'd say you're being generous.

[Anonymous No.17602311]

>>17601990
Oh no no no no no no.

How will the seething söy every recover from this???!!!

[Anonymous No.17602321]

>>17602169
The best books usually have a scoring between 3.5 and 4 on average, and you can lays ignore 1 and 5 star reviews. Those people add nothing to the discussion. The best reviews are 3 and 4 stars, because those people actually finished the books.

[Anonymous No.17602323]

>>17602270
also the general idea of a cartel or guild that protect its trade secret, magic. irl this happened for real in medieval leagues, guilds etc.. (masons, weapone makers, smiths)

[Anonymous No.17602325]

>>17602321
Massive cope.

[Anonymous No.17602338]

>>17602119
I mean I haven't read it but i've heard it's good

[Anonymous No.17602347]

>>17602133
heard this one is meant to be good, I quite liked the warrior trilogy by stackpole

[Anonymous No.17602349]

>>17602321
I've also noticed this. Controversial books will always generate this kind of polarization.

[Anonymous No.17602360]

>>17602325
Only children's books score higher than 4.5, buddy.

[Anonymous No.17602364]

>>17599256
Bakkerbros on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.17602368]

>>17602360
Wrong. Virtually all the greats score at least 4.20 on Goodreads.

[Anonymous No.17602373]

>>17599262
Cope

[Anonymous No.17602376]

How do we recover from this Sanderbros?

[Anonymous No.17602390]

>>17601990
>search bakker's blog
>fractionate
72 results
>heuristic
91 results
>cognitive ecology
126 results

T R U T H
S H I N E S

[Anonymous No.17602394]

>>17602368
>4.5 = 4.20
We already suspected that you were retarded, but thanks for confirming it.

[Anonymous No.17602417]

>>17602368
Oh-oh.

[Anonymous No.17602428]

>>17601990
>Tell me, Father. Have you grasped the Absolute?

[Anonymous No.17602433]

>>17602368
Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.17602437]

>>17602428
cuts and cuts and cuts

[Anonymous No.17602440]

>>17602368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

[Anonymous No.17602442]

>>17602133
Unironically Revenge of the Sith.

[Anonymous No.17602451]

>>17602130
The first book has the basis of something interesting, but like all Sandershit books he goes full retard and now it's an incoherent mess with unlikable protagonists.

[Anonymous No.17602456]

>>17602368
Sorry, I ran out of memes.

[Anonymous No.17602464]

>>17602440
This is honestly my favorite Tolkien book. It's so damn good.

[Anonymous No.17602480]

>>17599753
>I hate convenience
Get with the current year boomer

[Anonymous No.17602500]

>>17602456
That post said greats, not trash.

[Anonymous No.17602501]

>>17601324
They should have done Amber

[Anonymous No.17602508]

>>17602394
The initial post said that anything above 4 is to be disregarded. Objectively wrong. Don't worry, you'll be able to live with yourself knowing Bakker's work is consider mediocre.

[Anonymous No.17602522]

>>17602508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VocCUwHFLjM

[Anonymous No.17602527]

>>17602522
And I accept that you have a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.17602542]

>>17602508
Bakker gets a lot of love and a lot of hate, that's why it's a middling score. Hardly anyone considers him mediocre.

[Anonymous No.17602569]

>>17602542
The real contrarians do.

[Anonymous No.17602589]

>>17602508
>Can't link the correct post.
>"Virtually all the greats score at least 4.20"
>Some autistic anon posted 4 examples disproving that.

[Anonymous No.17602627]

I've rarely post here, and when I do it's mostly about science fiction.
Having that said, I don't think that I've ever seen any one who hates Bakker win an argument. It's just endless banter until they're silenced. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.17602634]

>>17601870
Saved. I hope Gardner uses this as an ad.

[Anonymous No.17602656]

>>17602627
The Meat gives us strength. Won’t you come and feast with us?

[Anonymous No.17602665]

>>17602627
Because Bakker’s astute readers tend to be high-IQ and capable of advanced thinking, whereas the haters usually dwell in lower realms of the mind. (Not saying all of Bakker’s readers are intelligent, mind you; but those who are, are capable of discoursing about higher level philosophical and literary references. The same cannot be said of the fans of a Sanderson or his ilk.)

[Anonymous No.17602668]

>>17602627
>Why is that?
Too much söy.

[Anonymous No.17602679]

Why do you guys hate Sanderson so much? I get that he's basically the fast food of fantasy, but I don't think he's THAT bad.

[Anonymous No.17602691]

>>17602679
I'm not in the mood for pasta today, sorry.

[Anonymous No.17602702]

>>17602679
>he's basically the fast food of fantasy
you already answered your question

[Anonymous No.17602711]

>>17602656
The Meat has taken the Author.

[Anonymous No.17602742]

DO NOT OPEN IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE ASPECT EMPEROR!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.17602769]

>>17602440
why did Chris Tolkien wait so long to publish Turin, Gondolin and Beren&Luthien?

[Anonymous No.17602786]

so i have no idea what 40k is besides some board game. what are the books like? just military tactics or is there more to it?

[Anonymous No.17602791]

>>17602440
Should I read this if I really don't care for dwarves?

[Anonymous No.17602806]

>>17602797

>>17602797

>>17602797

>>17602797

>>17602797

[Anonymous No.17602808]

>>17602769
Probably because it’s embarrassing to have people read the love story your dad wrote about him and your mom.

[Anonymous No.17602812]

>>17602791
not that Hurin bro, he's a human

[Anonymous No.17602827]

>>17602808
still abridged version are in the Silmarillion

[Anonymous No.17602834]

>>17602806
>page 2
Jesus fuck calm down. This is why nobody likes you retards.

[Anonymous No.17602848]

>>17602834
page 3 tic toc

[Anonymous No.17602851]

>>17602834
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17602854]

>>17602742
don't worry bro it's totally just death from old age

[Anonymous No.17602858]

>>17602786
lots of action bang bang bang, sort of like halo, watch the astartes short series on yt

[Anonymous No.17602860]

>>17602851
it does, my mang, it does... *conclusive music starts*

[Anonymous No.17602861]

>>17602854
>>17602742
Salty much?

[Anonymous No.17602864]

>>17602854
Imagine posting here regularly and getting fucked over by google. I don't even have a name for this feel.

[Anonymous No.17602877]

>>17599155
Piranesi sucked. The beginning was amazing but it ended up being a lame detective story with a twist.

[Anonymous No.17602878]

>>17602860
>*conclusive music starts*
We Reddit now boys.

[Anonymous No.17602879]

>>17602864
feels funny

[Anonymous No.17602895]

>>17602742
He was a cunt anyway.

[Anonymous No.17602923]

>>17602812
Oh fuck I can't believe I put it off for this long thinking it was about the dwarves

[Anonymous No.17603364]

>>17602923
well it would be fun if he wrote something more about them tho

[Anonymous No.17603618]

>>17602589
How many times are you gonna respond to the same post? Lmao, Bakkerfags are unironically demented. Imagine lusting after some mediocre AF writer's cock. Just imagine.

[Anonymous No.17603955]

Any recommendations for someone obsessed with BOTNS? Already read Cage of Souls, which was pretty decent, but nothing really scratches that itch.