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[Anonymous No.17574105]

"/sffg/'s Prophet and Savior" edition.

Thread topic: What do you love the most about Bakker?

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[Anonymous No.17574113]

The age old question, how does does /sffg/ pronounce Bakker?

[Anonymous No.17574116]

Good site for audiobooks?

[Anonymous No.17574126]

The Meat has taken the Thread.

[Anonymous No.17574125]

>>17574116

[Anonymous No.17574130]

>>17574113
Back-err

[Anonymous No.17574144]

>>17574113
Baker

[Anonymous No.17574145]

>>17574113
>>17574130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht5Pyeb8HPU

The interviewer fucks up after he says it.

[Anonymous No.17574163]

So when Saubon dies, does his soul re-experience Mengedda as a corpse because Dagliash is kind of a topos and Mengedda is for sure one, or is that subjective experience forced out of him by the ciphrang so they can feed on his fear and suffering?

[Anonymous No.17574184]

>>17574113
باقر
Use google translate to spell it for you

[Anonymous No.17574205]

>>17574145
Damn he can't even pronounce his own last name right.

[Anonymous No.17574207]

>>17574126
*sodomizes you*
nothin' personnel, scalded

[Anonymous No.17574244]

>>17574113
Bakr

[Anonymous No.17574269]

Does Children of Dune get any better?
I'm about quarter of the way through and it's so boring

[Anonymous No.17574276]

>>17574269
Read Abu Bakker, the Second Jihad

[Anonymous No.17574289]

The ironic fake bakkerposting is even worse than the unironic stuff.

[Anonymous No.17574290]

What a comfy thread.

>>17574105
>Thread topic: What do you love the most about Bakker?
The incorporation of philosophy into his prose. There nothing quite like it, especially in the fantasy world.

[Anonymous No.17574311]

>>17574113
HorseDeer

[Anonymous No.17574316]

>>17574289
>t. Sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17574317]

Give the discord you piece of shit

[Anonymous No.17574330]

.....

[Anonymous No.17574332]

>>17574317
https://discord.gg/JvUMZjq

[Anonymous No.17574343]

>>17574311
馬鹿

[Anonymous No.17574418]

>>17574343
>still using logograms
ngmi

[Anonymous No.17574446]

Looking to get into Bakker. Should the giant dragon dildo I sit on while reading vibrate or not?

[Anonymous No.17574448]

>>17574163
I'd say that his somewhat out of body experience at Mengedda allowed him to enter a mental state that his soul partially slipped into the outside, enough to give him visions of a situation where his soul and body were in an approximately equal state.

[Anonymous No.17574462]

>>17574330
>CAN I SNEED?

[Anonymous No.17574494]

>>17574462
....

[Anonymous No.17574498]

>>17574446
>Should the giant dragon dildo I sit on while reading vibrate or not?
Preferably yes, it's a plus for immersion when reading the numerous homosexual rape scenes.

[Anonymous No.17574505]

Fuck. E William Brown

[Anonymous No.17574512]

>>17574505
Is this always the first thing you post?

[Anonymous No.17574516]

>>17574418
>can't easily learn the hanzi
step up senpai

[Anonymous No.17574612]

Whoever recommended this trash, fuck u

[Anonymous No.17574619]

>>17574612
OOMPA LOOMPALLIOS

[Anonymous No.17574652]

>>17574612
Nig

[Anonymous No.17574684]

>>17574612
>>17574652
I got meme'd into reading this garbage as well.

[Anonymous No.17574692]

Aside from Bakker, which /sffg/ memes turned out to be alright?

[Anonymous No.17574710]

>>17574498
I'll also use my urethral sounding kit when appropriate.

[Anonymous No.17574721]

>tfw dany will never bestow her brown water upon you

[Anonymous No.17574728]

>>17574692
Pringles man.

[Anonymous No.17574759]

>>17574692
Blindsight was a good meme.

[Anonymous No.17574767]

>>17574721
S u n s e t f o u n d h e r

[Anonymous No.17574796]

>>17574767
>>17574721
i need a meme of this NOW

[Anonymous No.17574827]

>>17574796
2 decades too late.

[Anonymous No.17574845]

>>17574767

[Anonymous No.17574890]

>>17574290
>the incorporation of philosophy into his prose

setting aside the schools of magic, where else is there any real philosophy in the 2nd apocalypse series? killhouse's absolute/darkness that comes before? it's meaningless prattle.

no-god as a p-zombie ? i guess but has no affect on the story if it is or isn't.

maybe something about the souls/damnation/the outside? hard to see how that's unique considering most other fantasy series have their share of elaborate paths for souls/life after the "real world"

basically, it feels like you all fell for a big meme by thinking this guy has a lot of philosophy, because when you stop fellating him and take the giant scranc-shaped dildo out of your asses you realize that there's not a lot of meat on that bone(r).

[Anonymous No.17574900]

>>17574890
Ajencis

[Anonymous No.17574904]

>>17574890
so filtered it's not even funny

[Anonymous No.17574913]

>>17574890

[Anonymous No.17574924]

>>17574448
bro, did you even read the series??

1. mengeddea is a topos --> a place where earwa wears thin and the outside can poke through

2. time is meaningless in the outside. see mimara's judging eye, white-luck warrior, etc.

saubon's death at dagliash is occuring at the same time as his experience at mengeddea because it's bleeding into the outside where time is meaningless and making a link between those 2 space-time's within earwa

[Anonymous No.17574926]

so /lit/ favorite fantasy author is a cringe atheist? get the fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.17574930]

>>17574692
>>17574728
100% Wolfe

[Anonymous No.17574932]

>>17574926
I am ashamed at your naked face. I must cover it with my jacket.

[Anonymous No.17574933]

>>17574926
he's an agnostic but unironically christpilling
instills vivid fear of hell in his readers
and he hopes there's a god – which is no different from an Aquinan leap of faith

[Anonymous No.17574934]

>>17574926
Your argument is invalid.

[Anonymous No.17574948]

>>17574900
ooooooh, a plato/aristotle analogue! but seriously, irrelevant to the story and not that much different from other series that refer back to "ancient knowledge"

>>17574904
>>17574913
you bitches going to actually try to refute any of it or just outwardly laugh while you sob at the truth deep down inside?

[Anonymous No.17574974]

>>17574934
what argument?

[Anonymous No.17574979]

>>17574948
His quotes

[Anonymous No.17574994]

>>17574924
I'm the guy that guy was replying to. So I guess I was right, kind of.
>>17574926
He's just an atheist, not a cringe atheist. He said he wishes/hopes god exists. Actual god, not some cringeworthy schizophrenic Trinity concept or vestigial remains of our great ape brains trying to make sense of the natural world.

[Anonymous No.17574999]

Neal Stephenson's Anathem is the best instance of philosophy and /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.17575016]

>>17574948
His prose incorporates multiple philosophical concepts and ideas. You would actually know this if you've read those said-philosophers.

[Anonymous No.17575035]

almost done with Dust of Dreams and if 3/4 of this book was cut out it would still be the most boring fucking book I've ever read. I am on the verge of giving up the series. Please tell me The Crippled God will make all this worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.17575047]

>>17574999
I got filter hard by it, ngl.

[Anonymous No.17575053]

>>17575035
end of dust of dreams and last 2/3 of crippled god are pretty awesome. finish DoD first before deciding whether to give up on CG.

[Anonymous No.17575062]

What do I do bros? I've tried to read Bakker, I really did, but his prose is simply too complicated for me .His words are simply too complicated.

Should I just give up?

[Anonymous No.17575080]

>>17575047
I could see that. I unironically have a bachelor's degree in philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17575082]

>>17575053
ok that sounds fair enough.

[Anonymous No.17575106]

>>17575016
it'd be great if you could enlighten the rest of us as to what those concepts/ideas are. because none of it seems particularly new or innovative and instead reads like a copy/paste from others like heidegger but with names swapped out for earwan ones.

if that's all you want (fantasy gary stu's spouting being and time), i guess go enjoy your drivel. the rest of us will be moving on to something a bit less autistic.

[Anonymous No.17575110]

>>17575062
You should probably learn English.

[Anonymous No.17575121]

>>17575110
Butcher, Bakker, shitty fiction writer

[Anonymous No.17575138]

>>17575062
You have to be at least 160 IQ to understand and appreciate Bakker high-philosophical concepts, filtrated brainlets like you will never learn.

[Anonymous No.17575141]

>>17575138
I can't even understand posts that contain Bakker's name on anything but a surface level.

[Anonymous No.17575162]

>>17574105
>but that's just a theory... a blind brain theory!

[Anonymous No.17575163]

>>17575121
I've no clue what you trying to say here. I was merely pointing out that Bakker's diction isn't that complex. I have no clue why people complain about his word choice. Sure, it's slightly more complex than a typical fantasy book but then most fantasy books seems to be written at a middle school reading level.

[Anonymous No.17575168]

>>17575106
An exposition of ideas would have been wasted on you, and this I conclude from the basic lack of aptitude and understanding of philosophy that you have demonstrated since entering this thread.

>if that's all you want (fantasy gary stu's spouting being and time)
Not an argument.
>i guess go enjoy your drivel.
Same as before.
>the rest of us will be moving on to something a bit less autistic.
That's just your opinion, which happens to be factually incorrect.

[Anonymous No.17575169]

>>17575163
smooth brain

[Anonymous No.17575197]

>>17575169
If you're post was a non-sequitur about Bakker being a shitty writer then OK.

[Anonymous No.17575268]

>reminder that Bakker (almost) finished his PhD in philosophy from
Vanderbilt and has been published in philosophy journals
>basic philosophical texts needed to grasp wtf Bakker is really trying to convey
Heidegger - Being and Time
Wittgenstein - Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
Nietzsche - Thus Spake Zarathustra & The Anti-Christ
Schopenhauer - The World as Will and Representation
Plato - works
KJV
St Thomas Aquinas - works
Gnostic / Nag Hammadi texts
Basic layman understanding of recent developments in neuroscience and neuropsychology

[Anonymous No.17575296]

>>17575268
forgot Hegel

[Anonymous No.17575316]

>>17575268
forgot Milton, Dante, Blake, McCarthy, the Iliad, Husserl and Freud

[Anonymous No.17575329]

>>17575268
forgot derrida foucault and deluze
im trans btw

[Anonymous No.17575331]

>>17575268
What does Heidegger have to do with Bakker? I think I'm familiar with Heidegger's basic project, and I've read Bakker, so I much be a brainlet

[Anonymous No.17575333]

>>17575268
forgot the Akashic records

[Anonymous No.17575335]

>>17575331
>so I much be a brainlet

[Anonymous No.17575376]

>>17575335
Like I said ...

[Anonymous No.17575417]

>>17575268
can’t stress KJV enough, bakker writes with a copy of it on his desk at all times. not just the commonly quoted books, you really need to get into Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations**, Habbakuk, Hosea, etc. And Enoch of course.

[Anonymous No.17575451]

If I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, bin-Laden, and Bakker, I would shoot Bakker twice.

[Anonymous No.17575456]

>>17575451
kek

[Anonymous No.17575484]

>>17575451
>t. Sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17575494]

>>17575451
Since you call Kellhus a self insert so often clearly he would have anticipated your actions or be able to talk you down, bin laden and hitler are dead anyway so there's no point shooting them

[Anonymous No.17575496]

>>17575451
I would like to let you know that I'm on the phone with the authorities at this precise moment.

[Anonymous No.17575505]

Daily reminder.

[Anonymous No.17575563]

>>17575505
> n = 184

ngmi

[Anonymous No.17575573]

>>17575505
>The face of defeat

[Anonymous No.17575589]

>>17574924
Yeah, thats what I said, I just assumed the reader of my post knew enough to draw those obvious connections.

[Anonymous No.17575604]

>>17575573
he’s gotten jumbo size....
thicc like his books m, filled with endless exposition and other un-nourishing junk

[Anonymous No.17575608]

>>17574105
>Thread topic: What do you love the most about Bakker?
These gems.

[Anonymous No.17575619]

>>17575505
>55 people who like bakker
>129 who don't
>this is a victory somehow

[Anonymous No.17575626]

>>17575608
Cockblocked.

[Anonymous No.17575628]

>>17575619
>/sffg/'s Favorite Fantasy Author
>"129 who don't" like Bakker

Low IQ detected.

[Anonymous No.17575639]

>>17575628
It can only mean one thing. You HATE the one you don't vote for. 55 smooth brains versus 129 homosexuals, only one man to take Kirk Johnson's place as the lord of the goatse.

[Anonymous No.17575649]

>>17575619
>Imagine being this fucking retarded.

These threads would be way more entertaining if you people had a brain.

[Anonymous No.17575653]

>>17575608
The virile writings of prophet Bakker are literally anathema to the female brain chemistry, they lack the necessary organs to assimilate and digest his prose.

[Anonymous No.17575657]

>>17575649
Cope.

[Anonymous No.17575666]

>>17575657
I accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.17575681]

>>17575666
I don't accept your homosexual advances, satan.

[Anonymous No.17575683]

>>17575619
the biggest cope i've ever seen, just because he's not their FAVORITE AUTHOR, doesn't mean they don't like him, they probably haven't even read him, never post again.

[Anonymous No.17575700]

>>17575683
Massive cope. The overwhelming majority of /sffg/gots don't like Fagger. Have consensual, unpaid vaginal intercourse with a non-blood related biological human female.

[Anonymous No.17575709]

>>17575653
i’m a girl (female) and i loved the books, though not without my criticisms.
serwë was pretty cringe in the first book and i definitely threw the book across the room when i got to the whale mothers part. but otherwise i appreciate a lot of what he’s going for. the whole rape as a cosmic force, to which all bodies and souls are vulnerable speaks to me as a survivor and a gnostic. i did like esmenet and serwa. i find bakker’s writings more sensitive and more nuanced than GRRM and most other male fantasy writers, who just objectify women uncritically,
>tits of gtfo
those are my tits that have now become a meme here.

[Anonymous No.17575714]

>>17575700
>Massive cope. The overwhelming majority of /sffg/gots don't like Fagger. Have consensual, unpaid vaginal intercourse with a non-blood related biological human female.

[Anonymous No.17575715]

>>17575709
You have a bigger cock than me, fgt.

[Anonymous No.17575722]

>>17575709
>i’m a girl (female)
Why did you use a pleonasm here?

[Anonymous No.17575727]

>>17575722
Because all women on 4chan are female (male).

[Anonymous No.17575740]

>>17575451
I would eschew the gun, and beat Bakker to death with my bare hands.

[Anonymous No.17575747]

>>17575740
he'd take you out with dunyain kungfu

[Anonymous No.17575748]

>>17575747
Meatspin chop to the neck.

[Anonymous No.17575750]

>>17575709
I love his world-building but I hate his characters, simple as. Might as well read articles from the 40k wiki or excerpts from a DnD campaign t.b.h.

[Anonymous No.17575754]

>>17575709
If true.. based femanon

[Anonymous No.17575762]

>>17575750
Why do you hat the characters? Do they speak too real for you?

[Anonymous No.17575765]

>>17575762
Why do hats have anything to do with this

[Anonymous No.17575826]

What's underexplored in the fantasy genre?

[Anonymous No.17575852]

>>17575826
underwater kingdoms

[Anonymous No.17575861]

>>17575826
Mesoamerican settings
Persian settings
African settings
South Asian settings

[Anonymous No.17575903]

bakker can bite my shiny metal posterior

[Anonymous No.17575937]

>>17574116
the-eye

[Anonymous No.17575956]

i miss bakker’s humorous twitter updates
>human: a biological mechanism connecting plate to toilet.
>writer: a human convinced it’s somehow more than a biological mechanism connecting plate to toilet. (see: flatulence)

[Anonymous No.17576057]

>>17575826
19th-20th century fantasy, with carriages and rifles, revolvers and trenchcoats, not necessarily gothic/victorian england/colonial/western but it can encompass those genres

[Anonymous No.17576111]

/sffg/, I need inspiration. Winter is so dull and there's nothing worth reading

[Anonymous No.17576169]

>>17575826
I'd say jewish fantasy, but because we basically spent the majority of our history trying to assimilate under punishment of death, you're not going to get many uniquely jewish stories before the 1900s unless you just rip off exodus

ngl, the amount of work I had to put into coming up with a jewish fantasy setting was insane, and it doesn't even look jewish

[Anonymous No.17576243]

>>17576169
Read Exodus by Leon Uris, that's fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17576281]

>>17576243
is it? looks like it's just historical fiction

[Anonymous No.17576299]

>>17576281
Read the plot closer. It's about as historical as Excalibur.

[Anonymous No.17576313]

>>17576169
I guess you can claim the whole Abrahamic mythos as Jewish, plus whatever Semitic culture from the fertile crescent as inspiration and probably some folklore from communities living in Medieval Europe (wasn't there some classic golem story that took place in Prague?) and tying all of this together à la Tolkien (who used Hebrew as an inspiration for the Dwarves language if I'm not mistaken).

[Anonymous No.17576316]

>>17576299
i'm not seeing fantasy. historical inaccuracies and pulp tropes yes, but no magic or mythical creatures

[Anonymous No.17576326]

>>17575138
>>17575168
>>17575335
Still no specifics. I'm getting suspicious.

[Anonymous No.17576330]

I started reading Bakker so that I can understand what the hell you people are talking about in these threads, but I’m still confused as to whether it’s a meme or if he’s actually good.

[Anonymous No.17576352]

>>17576330
It’s a bit of both

[Anonymous No.17576357]

>>17576330
Filtered

[Anonymous No.17576408]

>>17576313
anon, don't get me started on this. I've done my homework and there's a reason I don't include 90% of the old testament. Calling stories like adam and eve, noah or solomon jewish is like calling hamburgers german: technically correct, but thats not who you're picturing when you think of it.

as for mythical creatures, the only one people are familiar with that is uniquely ours is the golem. That's not to say there's no jewish mythical creatures – people in the know might have heard of nephilim and dybbuks, and I've found a number such as the keresh (giant deer), the tzefardea (giant frog who creates more frogs when injured), the shedim (invisible bird people) and the shamir (a worm with laser vision), as well as the demons associated with the qlipphoth – but these are virtually unknown unless you actually make a serious effort to find them.

[Anonymous No.17576432]

>>17576330
He is, legitimately, great. That plus the sheer depravity of the series makes it perfect for /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.17576583]

Hello friends, which sections of the Christian Bible are necessary to understand Bakker? Please don't say all of them. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.17576608]

>>17576583
>necessary to read before reading Bakker if you want to have a clue
Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Isaiah, the Gospels, Revelation
>strongly recommended
The entire Pentateuch, Judges, Kings, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Habbakuk, Hosea
>apocrypha (strongly recommended)
Book of Enoch, Gospel of Thomas, Secret Gospel of John, Book of Mary Magdalene, Apocalypse of Peter

[Anonymous No.17576618]

“Eärwa, much like Biblical Israel, smells of balls.” — RSB

[Anonymous No.17576649]

>>17575451
>all the salty bakkerautists giving (you)s
Good bait.

[Anonymous No.17576661]

If your characters suck, your book isn't good.

[Anonymous No.17576685]

>>17576661
what makes a character not suck?

[Anonymous No.17576686]

>>17576661
>if your book is shit, your book is shit
wow, thanks sherlock

[Anonymous No.17576713]

>>17576685
They dry and boring and sound like a nerd doing his best imitation of what he thinks conversations are.

Or their dialogue can be fine but the characters are so dull that you just don't give a shit about them. A movie example is Watchmen or any movie Snyder has directed. He's so shit at characters even if his visuals are top notch.

[Anonymous No.17576743]

>>17574116
audiobookbay

[Anonymous No.17576753]

I started reading Assassin's Apprentice. Will Fitz fuck the Nosebleed girl when they grow up?

[Anonymous No.17576779]

>>17576661
Your opinions are subjective.

[Anonymous No.17576790]

>>17576779
t. has shit characters

[Anonymous No.17576794]

>>17576713
them being boring, unlikable when they're supposed to be sympathetic, stupid when they're supposed to be competent, or a strong female character who's just tough and has no other personality

word of advice I try to pass on to everyone: if you bury your character's little quirks and personality traits as deep as they are in a real person, your reader is never going to find them, and is just going to assume there's nothing there. the human mind attaches to novelty, hence why readers get more attached to cartoonier characters than they do to John Q. Everyman.

[Anonymous No.17576795]

>>17576753
>I started reading Assassin's Apprentice. Will Fitz fuck the Nosebleed girl when they grow up?

Yes. Fitz and others.

You should abort now or you're going to regret it. Only read on if you're into misery porn cuck shit.
You're going to think it's not so bad and it might get better after book 1. Hint: It doesn't, it gets worse.
The ending of the trilogy is literally the Fitz watching his wife (nosebleed girl) get fucked by his adopted dad. Yes really.

[Anonymous No.17576799]

>almost all the way done a book before I realize that it’s not just similar to another book, it’s the prequel

Smh and now I know the fucking ending

[Anonymous No.17576805]

>>17576795
Very Rothfussian, exquisite.

[Anonymous No.17576814]

>>17576794
good advice

[Anonymous No.17576815]

>>17576795
What's with fantasy authors and cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.17576823]

>>17576790
That has nothing to do with subjectivity of your shit opinions.

[Anonymous No.17576831]

>>17576799
Whatcha reading?

[Anonymous No.17576854]

>>17576831
Machine translated webnovels ;)
Fearsome Farmer and the other one

[Anonymous No.17576862]

>>17576823
>muh subjectivity
some things are just objective, bro

[Anonymous No.17576865]

>>17576854
>Machine translated webnovels
That's not reading ;)

[Anonymous No.17576868]

>>17576854
Does "machine translated" mean poorly? That sounds exhausting. The worst part of The Three Body Problem for me was trying to read translated Chinese, I think I'd get a headache reading slightly better google translate results.

[Anonymous No.17576876]

>>17576862
>subjective
>objective
some. things. are. both.
and they’re heckin cute and valid.

[Anonymous No.17576878]

>>17576868
It means using a translation software instead of an actual translator doing it.

[Anonymous No.17576883]

>>17576868
You get used to the errors and learn the various phonetic Chinese words that are interchanged with the English word in the translation
Positive/negative seems to get mixed up constantly, but you get used to that too

It doesn’t seem that bad

Obviously shit like chinese poetry won’t come across properly though

[Anonymous No.17576886]

>>17576878
I'll be glad when MTL is equal to, or better than, a good human translation.

[Anonymous No.17576895]

>my character kills the man who ordered the rape of his mother and sister, cuts of his limbs and sends it to his allies, parades his severed head through the streets of his own city, and then forces his wife to miscarry his child before replacing it with one of his own
Is this gonna fly in 2021, bros? Am I gonna get cancelled?

[Anonymous No.17576904]

>get gifted an old Kindle from a family member
>used to read all the time as a kid, got into some really advanced shit for my age but didn't have time for it in college
>do now so i pick up and start over a series I abandoned halfway through all those years ago
>currently reading Prelude to Foundation and feeling the joy of reading again
it's wonderful lads

[Anonymous No.17576905]

>>17576895
Why force the wife to miscarry when you can wait for it to be born, raise them until they reach sexual maturity and then sodomize them daily.

[Anonymous No.17576909]

>>17576895
how degenerate are you that you even need to ask that?

[Anonymous No.17576927]

>>17576909
so...yes?

[Anonymous No.17576939]

>>17576895
>>17576905
>The Aristocrats!

[see Españoles No.17576949]

>>17576939
kek

[Anonymous No.17576951]

>>17576905
>until they reach sexual maturity
D-do you know where you are?
>>17576895
Sounds like basic feudal feuding.
>>17576904
Huh, there's a prelude to Foundation? Anyway enjoy Anon, Foundation is amazing. I'm happy for you. The worst part about the Foundation series is I can't read it for the first time again.

[Anonymous No.17576968]

>>17576951
> there's a prelude to Foundation
Yes, that's literally what it's called, Prelude to Foundation. It was part of Asimov's big plan of connecting Foundation and his Robots novels.

[Anonymous No.17576970]

>>17576939
LMAO

[Anonymous No.17577052]

>>17576326
There’s nothing suspicious about your reading comprehension deficiencies.

[Anonymous No.17577125]

>>17576661
What if the book has no characters

[Anonymous No.17577130]

>>17577125
I want to write one like that. Just like a chill wildlife documentary in book form.

[Anonymous No.17577305]

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

[Anonymous No.17577333]

>>17577305
Why would I read Bakker?

[Anonymous No.17577346]

>>17577305
this is actually a bot

[Anonymous No.17577355]

>>17577346
hello
t. bot

[Anonymous No.17577365]

>>17577355
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.17577372]

>>17577365
hello agen

t. same bot

[Anonymous No.17577388]

>>17577372
These people seem obsessed with prostitutes

[Anonymous No.17577394]

>>17577372

[Anonymous No.17577395]

>>17577355
>>17577372
What enjoyment do you derive from posting these? What is even the point?

[Anonymous No.17577402]

>>17577395
Fishing for these kind of replies.

[Anonymous No.17577404]

>>17577402
>what is even the point

[Anonymous No.17577407]

>>17577404

[Anonymous No.17577408]

>>17577395
The point is that if you dislike Bakker, you're a feminine cuck and a söyboy

[Anonymous No.17577412]

>>17577402
>I constantly shit up the thread so that someone will talk to me
That's got to be unironically the saddest thing I've heard in a really long time.

[Anonymous No.17577415]

>>17577408
based and non-filtered

>>17577412
filtered sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17577416]

Has GRRM written himself into a corner?

[Anonymous No.17577424]

>>17577416
He has eaten himself stuck into the corner

[Anonymous No.17577433]

>>17577415
I don't even like Sanderson you autismo. >imagine being so autistic you're literally only capable of talking about 2 things

[Anonymous No.17577436]

>>17577433
Whatever you say filteree

[Anonymous No.17577441]

>>17577416
His real mistake was letting the show people finish first. Now he's got no reason to finish it. Everybody knows the broad strokes. WoW never fucking ever and I hate him for it.

[Anonymous No.17577464]

>>17577416
More like a hole he can't dig himself out of

[Anonymous No.17577506]

>>17577464
sunset found him squatting in the grass...

[Anonymous No.17577566]

>>17577506
Every promise was bleaker than the one before and sounded falser. By the time the tenth year dawned the fans had lost all hope

[Anonymous No.17577630]

>>17577433
>imagine being so autistic you're literally only capable of talking about 2 things
he's incel version of the onionslords who can only talk about harry potter and star wars

[Anonymous No.17577661]

for the lads tired of the "Bakker vs Sanderson" you're welcome to the /SFG/ Speculative FIction General >>17577167

[Anonymous No.17577685]

What do you think happened to Cnaiur bros?

[Anonymous No.17577691]

>>17577685
Doesn’t he make an appearance on the aspect emperor?

I’m still on book 2 (White Luck Warrior).

[Anonymous No.17577774]

>>17577433
>I don't even like Sanderson
>implying

[Anonymous No.17577789]

>>17574692
vance is excellent

[Anonymous No.17577796]

>>17574612
>>17574684
Clark Ashton-Smith is ultra based though. All sci-fi and fantasy authors since then are standing on his shoulders and if you can't appreciate sffg's foundational texts you are a brainlet and very likely a faggot as well.

[Anonymous No.17578421]

>>17575035
Made it to Book 6 and gave it up. Just too fucking much.

[Anonymous No.17578676]

>>17577305
i'm going to redo the alignment chart
post your suggestions/desired changes
i'm thinking to change the axes to:
>save the world vs. shut the world
>reason vs. madness
and then also change some of the characters, i want to add meppa, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.17578775]

>>17578676
Don't make it a 6x6, make it 7x7 with a true neutral force in the middle. Something like the Qiri.

[Anonymous No.17578791]

>>17578676
The Prince imperials cannot be Salvation.
And lord kosoter should be somewhere in madness to the extreme left. The guys is worse than the king of tribes.

>>17578775
Agree

[Anonymous No.17578808]

>>17577691
Someone?

[Anonymous No.17578844]

>>17578791
>And lord kosoter should be somewhere in madness to the extreme left.
I meant to say chaos. I would swap him with the wracu, but that’s just me.

[Anonymous No.17578994]

Been reading a lot of porn books lately. Would the thread be interested in some mini reviews as I go through them?

[Anonymous No.17579134]

What does “duals” mean? Is it an archaic form for “duels”?

[Anonymous No.17579135]

recommendation for something with the feel, aesthetic, content of Hellboy II the movie. I think it could be described as urban folklore fantasy/hidden world.

[Anonymous No.17579151]

>>17578994

[Anonymous No.17579156]

>>17578994
porn with sff elements?
>>17579134
concerning a relation of two things, binary. (Context?)

[Anonymous No.17579213]

>>17579156
>porn with sff elements?
Yeah, reading Scholomance right now for instance. It’s basically goth harem Harry Potter so far, and actually kind of fun.

[Anonymous No.17579288]

>>17579213
wow the story behind the title name is absurd (a romanian black magic school were you got to ride dragons lol)

[Anonymous No.17579339]

>>17579288
That’s one thing I really enjoy about the genre, actually. A lot of it is just fun. It feels like when you have an idea you think is really cool, but then you second guess yourself and think it’s stupid or childish or no one but you will like it. These people just ran with it.

[Anonymous No.17579366]

>>17579134
it means bakker’s editor sucks

[Anonymous No.17579387]

>>17577789
Vance isn't a meme you knobhead

[Anonymous No.17579392]

>>17579366
Is this what this is? I’ve seen it repeated multiple times.

[Anonymous No.17579419]

>>17579339
it's not made up it's genuine local folklore

[Anonymous No.17579450]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholomance
The Scholomance[a] (Romanian: Şolomanţă [ʃoloˈmantsə], Solomonărie [solomonəˈrie]) was a fabled school of black magic in Transylvania, which was run by the Devil, according to folkloric accounts. The school enrolled about ten students to become the Solomonari. Courses taught included the speech of animals and magic spells. One of the graduates was chosen by the Devil to be the Weathermaker and tasked with riding a dragon to control the weather.

[Anonymous No.17579466]

>>17577691
yes

[Anonymous No.17579469]

>>17579392
post the context

[Anonymous No.17579551]

The Dûnyain had outwitted them. Traps within traps, the thing carelessly thought. So beautiful …

[Anonymous No.17579592]

Yep, as someone from the literal, actual heart of Transylvania, I can confirm this shit. There's people unironically believing in werewolves here still.

[Anonymous No.17579606]

>>17577691
Yeah but he doesn’t do a whole lot until the very end

[Anonymous No.17579994]

>>17579419
Oh that is neat. I should do more research.

[Anonymous No.17580059]

>>17579592
gnooooooooo poor drako :''''(

[Anonymous No.17580128]

I have no idea why this book has received so much negative responses. It does everything well, it may not be a top tier story. In fact I liked it a bit less then I would expect from just thinking what it offered. But that maybe just due to my jadedness, or the fact I mostly read hard Sci-Fi.

The book is indeed a steampunk version of Firefly, and it is indeed action with a bit of comedy. But it dwells a remarkable amount on the tragedy of death, especially the deaths caused by our heroes on people working for the bad guys. And it does it well. It lends the story a certain sense of weight it would have lacked otherwise. The characters are all interesting and with exception of the Captain, they all have interesting backgrounds. They are also very broken, and only really function as a team. Which is nice to see, there is no mary sue here, these people do really need each other. Well maybe with the exception of our zombie navigator. But she is a women and these are modern times, so really there is little option for the author. The plot makes sense, and moves logically. But it's not the highlight.

The only negatives I could mention are love stories of our captain. They aren't that interesting, and while the actions of the captain fit with his character, the devotion these women show him do not fit such a character. But their mostly not very well done. The author could have done so much more with the backstory between the captain and a women who is his adversary. Which is a shame, because she is such good adversary. I listened to this as an audiobook during work, and it works very well as an audio book.

7/10

[Anonymous No.17580176]

Does pic related ever get good? The prologue was nice but now I'm on page 200 and all they do is run away. Is the entire series like this?

[Anonymous No.17580190]

>>17580176
>does pic related ever get good
No, it just gets worse.

[Anonymous No.17580403]

>>17580176
The Waste of Time is worse than Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17580414]

>>17580176
Personally I loved the series, but that was before the internet ruined my ability to concentrate.

[Anonymous No.17580437]

I'm reading the book recommended on the /sffg/ Goodreads and Snow Crash and while Fifth Season is kinda bad I gotta say SC is so much worse and so much more annoying. Huwhite boys can't write a sci-fi novel that doesn't go full Reddit mode.

This post is only 50% ironic.

[Anonymous No.17580442]

>>17580128
so many

[Anonymous No.17580456]

the only good sci-fi book is dune

[Anonymous No.17580464]

>>17580456
I don't read sci-fi shit, I'm not a nerd.

[Anonymous No.17580473]

>>17580442
My apologies.

In return some pussy.

[Anonymous No.17580477]

>>17580128
>Tell them how you killed our baby, Trinica.

[Anonymous No.17580485]

>>17574692
"Sunset found her squatting on the grass" is actually great prose.

[Anonymous No.17580505]

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[Anonymous No.17580524]

>>17574890
I don't care much for his philosophy, honestly. I feel Dennet makes more or less the same point with much more clarity, though I never really put much time into Bakker's blog.

He writes interesting psychology, specially on those characters that don't get to last long. Something he has in common with GRRM. That is what glued me to the series.

[Anonymous No.17580558]

>>17580485
I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely nowhere near as bad as this place likes to pretend it is.

[Anonymous No.17580857]

>>17580456
Dune isn't scifi. Anyway that title is held (of the books I've read at least) by Red Mars.
>>17580128
Steampunk isn't good, nor can it ever be good.

[Anonymous No.17581017]

>>17580857
>Dune isn't scifi. Anyway that title is held (of the books I've read at least) by Red Mars.
>Steampunk isn't good, nor can it ever be good.

Extremely based. Red Mars is pinnacle hard SF, and Dune is clearly a fantasy novel.

[Anonymous No.17581151]

THE THREAD OF THREADS, EH LADS? KIAMPAS?

[Anonymous No.17581199]

>>17581017
I knew that there were some scientific basis in Dune's general mythos. Also, weren't one of the theme's of Dune matter of the so-called soft sciences? I mean can't be less scifi than StarWars (inb4 it is).

[Anonymous No.17581208]

Her legs part and I can see the folds in the triangle of shadow; the soft, inward-curving cleft. My penis stirs, hardens, and rises stiffly into the night air. My scrotum pulls tighter as I feel the power flow through me and center there.

[Anonymous No.17581266]

>>17581017
Exactly.
>>17581199
Just because there's scientific basis, doesn't make it scifi. Spiderman uses "radioactive spider bit him and mutated him" as its "scientific" explanation, doesn't make it scifi, it's fantasy. That's not a bad thing, just a fact. I love Dune, and the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man films were pretty good, but not scifi.
I think Star Wars is less scifi than Dune. Droids exist for comic relief and there's no scientific explanation (no matter how flawed) for the Force, it's just "dude lmao all energy is one". To be fair melange isn't explained that well but at least it's not an infinite power source, and ends up causing great suffering to the people you use it most.

[Anonymous No.17581273]

[Anonymous No.17581316]

How's that Terry Pratchett reading going, anons?

[Anonymous No.17581749]

After 3 years of following Worth the Candle, today I found out Alexander Wales exposed himself as pro-black "muh racism" woke faggot. I feel betrayed and will be sticking to CCP-sponsored webnovels from now on.

[Anonymous No.17581831]

best prose in fantasy?

[Anonymous No.17581846]

>>17581199
There was no scientific basis at all for central plot devices like melange and ego-memory. And I don't mean unscientific as in outdated, like phlogiston or luminiferous aether, but as in completely baseless.

FTL and force fields are very hand-waved, though I wouldn't put that outside (soft) sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.17581914]

>>17581831
Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17581973]

>>17581208
MANHOOD
MOUND
BROWN WATER

[Anonymous No.17581993]

HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD

[Anonymous No.17582035]

>>17575608
these butthurt reviews made me pick the books.

[Anonymous No.17582041]

>>17581831
Mervyn Peake, Tolkien, John Crowley, Jack Vance. Depending whether you consider SF or science fantasy part of fantasy, Gene Wolfe, M John Harrison.
Some like GGK but I think he's mediocre at best.

[Anonymous No.17582112]

I'm not even that into Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17582131]

>>17581914
Remember to rename your files so it's not obvious you just saved them from 4chan if you're trying to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.17582273]

>>17581846
not having hard sci-fi explanations for everything doesn't make it fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17582277]

>>17582131
>t.sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17582304]

>>17582273
Sci fi isnt "story in space"

Science fiction has the core elements of the plot related to some scientific concept being explored. Melange and ego-memory are taken as ground truth with no explanation.

[Anonymous No.17582324]

>>17581831
Bakker, Wolfe, Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.17582334]

>>17582277
You make reddit are more desirable community than this general. Consider suicide.

[Anonymous No.17582337]

>>17582334
I accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.17582347]

>>17582337
Surrender to what? Your ever present retardation?

[Anonymous No.17582364]

>>17582334
>You make reddit are more
Learn to write, low IQ shitter.

[Anonymous No.17582366]

>>17582364
I will never proofread anything I post on 4chan. Learn to infer meaning from context, mega brainlet.

[Anonymous No.17582379]

>>17582334
>You make reddit are more desirable community than this general.
Why are you here then?

[Anonymous No.17582399]

>>17580437
>recommended
That isn't what that is.

[Anonymous No.17582405]

>>17582366
>Can't write proper English without help.
That's why you're a low IQ retard.

[Anonymous No.17582411]

>>17582379
Because this is the only place on the internet where I can arrange to get fucked in the ass by your dad.

[Anonymous No.17582428]

>>17582405
You're the only retard here, buddy. Make another Bakker post.

[Anonymous No.17582457]

>>17581831
George MacDonald

[Anonymous No.17582461]

>>17581831
Unironically Bakker

[Anonymous No.17582496]

>>17582131
>What is 4chan X
Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.17582589]

>>17582112
kek

[Anonymous No.17582607]

>>17582112
Kelmomas is a miniature version of satan.

[Anonymous No.17582609]

>>17574105
Recommend me a fantasy novel with a well written romance subplot, the protagonist has to be a male not a female so I can self insert and the plot should also have a decent amount of action

[Anonymous No.17582620]

>>17582609
Book of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.17582642]

>>17581914
>You are my daughter. Show them my portion, little Witch.

[Anonymous No.17582677]

>>17577416
He just dug himself a hole and then handed the shovel up to David Benioff and he's been stuck there ever since.

[Anonymous No.17582682]

>>17582609
Scholomance

[Anonymous No.17582690]

>>17582609
50 Shades of Gay

[Anonymous No.17582721]

>>17577416
skipping the timeskip fucked him

[Anonymous No.17582730]

>>17582721
Is there anything more embarrassing than seeing your life's work slipping away into a hugely successful TV series, simply because of your laziness?

[Anonymous No.17582745]

>>17582730
Yes. Seeing your life's work slipping away into a hugely successful TV series, simply because of your laziness and then seeing the finale fuck up so hard that it erases any enjoyment people had of your series at all because you were still too lazy to finish the series and give the showrunners a script to work from is worse.

[Anonymous No.17582755]

>>17582677
I honestly feel bad for the fat man. ASOIAF was supposed to be his life's work. The first three books were fire. Then it got turned into a pop-culture abomination by a couple of hot shots who only wanted to make money.

Since the Big Twist (R+L=J) and the Big End have both been spoiled by the show, GRRM feels stuck. His great vision is spoiled, stillborn... and has nothing else to do but try to sift through the thousands of tangled and retarded sideplots he's gotten bogged down in. I can see why it's such torture for him to write. He must be losing his mind in that cabin desu. Look how long it's taken him to even start WoW. Then imagine another 2-3 massive tomes after that. He's probably hoping corona-chan will take him so he won't have it hanging over his head anymore. I doubt he can enjoy anything in life at this point, even his precious sportsball games must feel like a painful distraction.

At least Bakker finished his series. It might not be the ending you like, it might not feel resolved enough for a lot of fans, but it's the ending he envisioned all along. And it hits like a speeding cement truck.

[Anonymous No.17582779]

>>17582755
GRR Martin still has the Martel Alliance, Fake Aegon, Dreadgod Euron, and Lady Stone-heart plotlines to tell, since the tv didn't touch those story arcs. That's alot of spaces for twists

[Anonymous No.17582793]

>>17579387
id rank wolfe at a similar level and noone is taking issue with him, but more i meant i first learned of vance from these threads and wolfe so i consider it /sffg/ teritory i guess, dont be a nigger anon

[Anonymous No.17582801]

>>17582779
>faegon
exists to get btfo by dany, nobody cares
>LSH
meme who isn't important
>dreadgod euron
cringe reddit character, probably gets btfo by dany idk lole
>martel alliance
nobody cares about them, darkstar is based though

[Anonymous No.17582816]

>>17582801
literally this, correct on all counts. except le darkstar is a cringe marvel character desu

[Anonymous No.17582858]

>>17582755
Isn't there supposed to be another series after Aspect Emperor though?

[Anonymous No.17582861]

>>17581316
Too many books to actually read while there is so much other shit so I went through them all as audiobooks

[Anonymous No.17582881]

>>17582793
Learn to spell.
>>17582609
Ada by Nabokov.

[Anonymous No.17582889]

>>17582881
Sorry anon, I'm pretty drunk, wont happen again.

[Anonymous No.17582903]

>>17582858
It doesn't matter, the chances of that happening are literally ZERO.

[Anonymous No.17582911]

>>17582858
yes but also no

[Anonymous No.17582924]

>>17582858
I think he's much more likely to publish a collection of short stories (the Atrocity Tales, all set in Eärwa at some point before the main series). The No-God books are a distant dream.

Finishing the Second Apocalypse took a lot out of our Aspect-Author. Imagine what kind of emotional and spiritual toll it would have taken to birth that monster into the world. From what I've heard, No-God isn't even on the backburner... it's just marinating in the fridge. But we Zaudunyani persist in our faith despite the hopeless odds.

[Anonymous No.17582942]

>One year since we've last heard from Bakker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2U0Ivkn2Ds
Say something Richard...

[Anonymous No.17583015]

>>17582755
>I honestly feel bad for the fat man.
Who the fuck cares. The guy's a multi-millionaire thanks to that show.

[Anonymous No.17583018]

>>17582942
Yeah, except he was posting here yesterday.
>>17570523
>>17571846
The syntax, punctuation, and content are incontrovertible.
Doubt it you must. But I know in my heart of hearts it was Father... here... among us.

[Anonymous No.17583028]

>>17583018

[Anonymous No.17583047]

>>17583018
This one (>>17570523) is not him, for sure.

>>17583028
>>17571846
These might be. I sincerely hope that's him. In fact, It may very well be that I'm speaking to you right now, Scott.

[Anonymous No.17583068]

>>17582755
It can only get turned into a series because he sold the rights for money... and his books are shit anyways

Then they had to make shit up because he didn’t finish the story

[Anonymous No.17583083]

>using the word "okay" in a fantasy book

[Anonymous No.17583105]

>>17583083
>lecturing about racism and sexism in a medieval fantasy society

[Anonymous No.17583140]

>>17583105
>feudal princess gives the protagonist a lecture on gender identity that lasts for 5 whole fucking pages

[Anonymous No.17583143]

>>17583140
>PTSD and crippling depression in a medieval fantasy society

[Anonymous No.17583149]

>>17583140
>protag tells his teammates about how they mustn’t be judgemental towards the genocidal orcs and goblins

[Anonymous No.17583181]

>>17583083
>>17583105
>>17583140
>>17583143
>>17583149
I know an author who does all of these. Guess his name.

[Anonymous No.17583192]

>>17583047
>the elegant use of single quotation marks
>the clever deployment of hyphenation and ellipses
>advanced but not pretentious semantic-ontological analysis of the paradox as it relates to an obscure point in his books
It was Him.
Or a really good imitator. But a trolling imitator would make a bigger racket and not simply disappear into the shadows.

>SWEET GOD OF GODS, RETURN TO US OUR KING OF AUTHORS...

[Anonymous No.17583195]

>>17583181
The bearded fatty

[Anonymous No.17583204]

>>17583181
Brandaro Sandaro

[Anonymous No.17583205]

>>17583047
why some people use the second name as first name?

[Anonymous No.17583224]

>>17583205
It's not uncommon. The name "Michael Angelo" comes to mind, for example. Those are two "first" names.

[Anonymous No.17583239]

>>17575608
Damn... Which book is this?

[Anonymous No.17583258]

>>17583205
>JRR Tolkien
>George RR Martin
>R. Scott Bakker
it is over bros.
>no doubled R or K in my name
>guess i'll never be a titan of the genre.

[Anonymous No.17583269]

>>17582304
seems like you didn't pay attention, the core elements of Dune's plot are manipulation of societies and politics through implantation of fake myths and terraforming.

[Anonymous No.17583280]

>>17583258
I think it's just any double letters at all. Arthur C. Clarke, Isaac Asimov. Or maybe the rule's different for scifi.

[Anonymous No.17583284]

>>17583275

>>17583275

>>17583275

>>17583275

>>17583275

[Anonymous No.17583296]

>>17583224
MIchelangelo was actually named MIchele Angelo Buonarroti but i don't know how, why and when a crasis happened, maybe it was just a custom of the times( and time before and after actually), anyway that they were two first names is not took for granted. But these types of names exists.
But i was asking why a person would use just the "second" first name.

[Anonymous No.17583301]

>>17583296
Maybe they just don't like their first given name, ESL fren.

[Anonymous No.17583308]

>>17583284
R.(echear) of Bumpkker

[Anonymous No.17583324]

>>17583301
makes sense

[Anonymous No.17583380]

>>17583258
I have two sets of repeating initials.

[Anonymous No.17583387]

>>17583380
then you are the chosen one, anon.

[Anonymous No.17583403]

>>17583301
>ESL
you got me