Ride the Tiger

[Anonymous No.17558052]

Would this be a good way to start with Evola? Or should I follow the chart everyone posts and start with The Mystery of the Grail?

[Anonymous No.17558105]

>>17558052
It depends on what you want to get out of it. I think starting with RtT is a perfectly valid way to go, but literally every other Evolafag I've spoken to has contradicted me on this. At any case, I think Evola is a thinker you'll have to broadly familiarise yourself with first before you can really read him, so I'd say just read bits and pieces until you feel like you understand things. His books neatly divide his work by subject as well. RtT is more of an individual manual on how to live well as a Traditional man in a hopelessly hegemonic modern world. Men Among the Ruins on the other hand, is a manual on how to fight that hopelessly hegemonic modern world. Myth of the Grail is about the Traditionalist method and obviously, the Grail myth. Tantra book is about Tantra, Buddhism book is about Buddhism, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.17558143]

>>17558052
Mystery of the Grail - completely irrelevant!

[Anonymous No.17558165]

I think starting with Grail is only necessary if you plan to read the entirety of Evola out of completinism and you are absolutely willing to slog it out and trace the development of his thought. RTT is fine, MATR also. I recommend starting with Orientations (also called 11 Points of Orientation), easily found online or in the Handbook for Right Wing Youth.

>>17558105
Good post, agreed. I think the Buddhism book might be worth reading earlier and not just if you're specifically interested in Buddhism. There's also Pagan Imperialism, Metaphysics of War (both short), his autobiography Path of Cinnabar (very good), and even his Meditations on the Peaks.

But I agree, just jump in and acclimate yourself, preferably with one of the non-technical-esoteric works.

[Anonymous No.17558186]

>>17558165
Evola's understanding of Buddhism was awful. Do not bother. It's like if someone tried to critique Christianity by talking about California megachurches.

[Anonymous No.17558196]

>>17558186
People say this but there is a kernel or truth, or a few, in it.

[Anonymous No.17558212]

>>17558165
>Good post, agreed. I think the Buddhism book might be worth reading earlier and not just if you're specifically interested in Buddhism.
His book on Buddhism is actually what sold Traditionalism to me. Revolutionised my perspective entirely. Meditations on the Peaks I also found to be an incredible read, because it corrected many of the errors I had about Evola's worldview.
>>17558186
I am guessing you're one of the resident Buddhism autists with their own hyper-specific interpretations on what is and is not real Buddhism. I think you are very, very wrong and confused.

[Anonymous No.17558316]

>hear wife getting boned in the bedroom
>wat do
>better to do nothing but oppose it in spirit, ride the tiger so to speak

[Anonymous No.17558334]

>>17558316
>Evola in RtT: "I can not recommend marriage, since the institution has been thoroughly debased today and the climate makes it difficult if not impossible for a Traditional man to truly have a family that is "his own" and ensure that his biological heirs are also his spiritual heirs."
>some random fag on a Tibetan basket weaving forum: "LOL I bet Evola totally wanted people to be cucks."
Sneed. And Feed. (Formerly known as Chuck's.)

[Anonymous No.17558355]

>>17558334
>existinguish thy people

T. Evola

[Anonymous No.17558375]

who are some other interesting conservative authors to read? so far I have on my list
>Evola
>Guenon
>Spengler
>Ernst Junger
>Jacques Ellul
>Christopher Lasch
>Alasdair MacIntyre
>Edmund Burke
>Mircea Eliade

[Anonymous No.17558395]

>>17558334
God it's depressing to hear people saying that stuff almost a hundred years ago when it is literally unimaginably worse now.

[Anonymous No.17558412]

>>17558355
>not mindlessly pushing marriage to a degenerate thot equals anti-natalism and trying to destroy the European race
Bravo. Splendid.
>>17558375
Schuon, de Maistre, Pobedonostsev. Coomaraswamy is also based. Plato and the Neoplatonists are also top lads.
>>17558395
Yeah, it's both funny and sad at the same time. Though if it makes you feel better, Evola was alive to witness and comment on the 60s, so he got to experience a prelude of the shit we have today.

[Anonymous No.17558446]

>>17558412
>Evola was alive to witness and comment on the 60s, so he got to experience a prelude of the shit we have today.
God I hope I don't even live long enough to be more horrified than I am now.

[Anonymous No.17558451]

>>17558446
>God I hope I don't even live long enough to be more horrified than I am now.
You will. Every day the world grows more abhorrent than I thought possible. Nothing can surprise me now. Ride the Tiger bro.

[Anonymous No.17558468]

>>17558412
I met an irl Platonist, he was very zealous. He said it had free love, equal rights for women, abolishment of private property. He was extremely well read. Interesting stuff

[Anonymous No.17558484]

>>17558468
>He said it had free love, equal rights for women, abolishment of private property.
That's what we call misunderstanding The Republic.
At any case, I was referring to Platonic idealism rather than a political interpretation of the Republic.

[Anonymous No.17559659]

>>17558052
There's zero point in you reading Mystery of The Grail if you aren't interested in arthurian myth or medieval romances. You won't know what's going on and you'll be bored out of your head.

I'm thinking of reading The Hermetic Art next as I'd like a "beginner" basis on Alchemy, is this a good idea? It would also be a general pre-requisite (over MotG) for Evola's ouevre

[Anonymous No.17559701]

>>17559659
The Hermetic Tradition is one of his best, along with Introduction to Magic volumes I, II, and III.

[Anonymous No.17559717]

>>17559701
cheers

began reading intro to magic a couple years back but decided to leave it, volume 1 is collaborative right? is 2 and 3 also?

[Anonymous No.17559780]

>>17559717
All of them are. The UR group.

[Anonymous No.17559914]

>>17558186
Evola's book on Buddhism is the best book on buddhism ever written by a non-buddhist. Genius tier and praised by buddhists worldwide when it was publicized

[Anonymous No.17559936]

>>17558446
>God I hope I don't even live long enough to be more horrified than I am now.
Pussy. The worse it gets the more fun it is.

[Anonymous No.17559938]

>>17558375
Joseph De Maistre

[Anonymous No.17559960]

Start with Guenon instead, they had correspondence.

[Anonymous No.17559970]

Why should you get into traditionalism when you have pic related?
Who wants to be a priest when you can fuck bitches as a God on Earth?

[Anonymous No.17559988]

>>17559970
I want truth, not identification with flows of electricity and neurotransmitters.

[Anonymous No.17559994]

>>17559988
>I want truth
Truth is will to power.

[Anonymous No.17560046]

>>17558052
No, don't start witht his one unless you're very familiar with Nietzsche or Existentialism. Orientations is a good starting point as >>17558165 said, or else Metaphysics of War which is similar to his magnum opus Revolt but much shorter and only dealing with one subject.
>>17559970
It's probably bait but Evola addressed many of Nietzsche's shortcomings although he does consider him one of his greatest influences. Evola was not a priest but a warrior. Read him before criticizing him next time.

[Anonymous No.17560054]

>>17559994
Will to power is not the real thing. You're digging a hole thinking it will take you to the moon.

[Anonymous No.17560066]

>>17560046
I'm not criticizing, I'm asking a question and making banter, question being the "shortcomings" of Neech and how Evola reconciles with them.
I know mr. Evola was a warrior but in traditionalist school it seems the priestly class is held to a higher esteem. I'm more of a contemplation = action person.

[Anonymous No.17560079]

>>17560054
How is releasing power digging a hole? We are all releasing our power in our own ways and the Traditionalists do so through their own philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17560080]

>>17560066
You're not asking questions, you're being edgy. Evola thought Nietzsche correctly identified many of the ills of the modern world but didn't manage to build anything new becuase he lacked a metaphysical grounding. He deals with this in Ride the Tiger but also in some other books.
>I know mr. Evola was a warrior but in traditionalist school it seems the priestly class is held to a higher esteem.
That was one of the major contnted issues between Evola and Guenon yes but it's much more nuanced than that.
Just read Evola's Metaphysics of War, it's short and accessible and you'll probably enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.17560101]

>>17560080
No, my question was literally "was why should I read Evola" yes i was also being edgy.
Anyway you answered it, thank you.

[Anonymous No.17560106]

>>17560079
You're digging deeper into materiality, sinking ever deeper into maya.

Contemplation is the opposite of this, the opposite of action and manipulation of the world. I don't know which traditionalists you refer to, but changing the world is not the object of true intellectualism

[Anonymous No.17560115]

this is the best way to start with evola

[Anonymous No.17560147]

>>17560101
Alright no worries, I'm just a bit tired of the trolls like >>17560115 that keep flooding Evola posts and try to derail any decent dicussion.
Nietzsche was still one of Evola's biggest influences by the way. I had my Nietzschefag buddy read Metaphysics of War and he said enjoyed it a lot.

[Anonymous No.17560157]

>>17560106
>You're digging deeper into materiality, sinking ever deeper into maya.
You live in the material world dingus, you cannot abandon that. Traditional religions stress the importance of living your material life and not abandoning it in the pursuit of pure spirit.
Even if you wanted to you couldn't because spirit and material are the same thing.
>Contemplation is the opposite of this, the opposite of action and manipulation of the world. I don't know which traditionalists you refer to, but changing the world is not the object of true intellectualism
If you don't want to change the world you can go ahead and do your best now but the reality is that you are always changing the world with every interaction because the world is constantly in flux, motion, like a flame. You are part of that flame.
>>17560147
4chan always makes me a bit more aggressive, the nature of this site makes it so I apologize

[Anonymous No.17560334]

i read some quotes a while back where he talks about women and how a man's duty is to rape his woman or something like that. does anyone know the specific quote i mean and can you tell me where it's from? also, which books of his really focus on women and/or their relationship with men?

[Anonymous No.17560378]

>>17560334
Sure you did buddy. Put in some more effort next time yeah?

[Anonymous No.17560395]

>>17560378

tf do you mean effort. it's a serious question. if it's not true then prove me wrong you sperg

[Anonymous No.17560411]

>>17560395
>spout nonsense
>if it's not true then prove me wrong you sperg
that's not the kind of effort I meant

[Anonymous No.17560795]

>>17559960
these books are so expensive and they're probably awful quality

[Anonymous No.17560856]

>>17558186
>It's like if someone tried to critique Christianity by talking about California megachurches
which Is what everyone does

[Anonymous No.17560909]

I'm reading his philosophical books, "Theory of the absolute individual" and "Phenomenology of the absolute individual", after having read the Revolt.

And I'm absolutely loving them, so I would recommend them if you can find them in a language you can read. They are still fringe but they are receiving increasing praise by some left-leaning philosophers as well (at least in Italy).

[Anonymous No.17560935]

>>17559914
it's still shit

[Anonymous No.17560954]

>>17560909
How do they differ from his later works?

[Anonymous No.17561101]

>>17558484
I've met a number of self-identified Neo-Platonists, and a good two-thirds were fair-to-heavily on the left. It definitely seems to be a thought-pattern that transcends political dichotomy

[Anonymous No.17561244]

>>17560954

They don't really talk about traditionalism (at least as far as I have read).
They describe a philosophy of absolute freedom, in which an arbitrary choice of the individual self defines the meaning of "value", and from there it may or may not follow a view of the world and a set of self-imposed rules (logical and/or ethical).

It's much more general than a book like Revolt, from his position of absolute freedom the individual may choose to devote himself to a tradition, or reject all teachings and become a messiah himself, or live mindlessly chasing his bodily desires, and all these choices are equally possible and equally valid, because if there was a pre-existing external criterium that stated that one of these paths was better than the others, then Man wouldn't really be free.

[Anonymous No.17561540]

>>17561244
Thanks, I can see why Evola somewhat abandoned that line of thought when his thought had matured more and he had delved deeper into traditional texts. But it makes sense given what he describes of his intellectual formation in Path of Cinnabar.
Would you say it's more Nietzschean than his later works?

[Anonymous No.17562016]

how is evola's book on race?

[Anonymous No.17562235]

I just made a thread about Evola on /pol/, and it auto-saged and died in 3 minutes. Just a heads up, looks like that board is carefully controlled now

[Anonymous No.17562525]

>>17561540
>Would you say it's more Nietzschean than his later works?

Given I've only read this and Revolt I can't make much of a comparison but he definitely mentions Nietzche often and very favorably. He only objects to NIetzche's choice of the word "apollinean" but agrees with the ideas, though he tries to express those ideas in a way that is more systematic and less emotionally charged than Nietzche.

[Anonymous No.17562562]

>>17562235

Out of curiosity, you mean carefully controlled by... biological racists? Is that board actually moderated by Nazis?

[Anonymous No.17562621]

>>17558052
Everyone I’ve met that reads eVOla is a halfwit, pseud hoping to cast some spell of masculinity to cover their inferiority complex. Smooth brain incels read this shit.

[Anonymous No.17562662]

>>17562016
It’s good. Apparently you gotta go.

[Anonymous No.17562672]

>>17562525
Thanks, sounds interesting enough. From Revolt on he has been somewhat critical of Nietzsche, and yes he does keep coming back to his issues the Apollonian/Dionysian divide. I'd like to read them to get some insight in how his thought developed. I hope English translations will be made in the near future.

[Anonymous No.17562993]

>>17561101
That seems strange imo, but whatever works for them, I guess.
>>17562621
cope

[Anonymous No.17563305]

>>17562562
Why do you talk like a redditor

[Anonymous No.17563319]

>>17562662
Hahahahahah

[Anonymous No.17563408]

>>17558105
>At any case, I think Evola is a thinker you'll have to broadly familiarise yourself with first before you can really read him
Absolutely - same goes for Spengler, I think. Good post, anon.

[Anonymous No.17563557]

>>17563408
Thanks anon. I haven't read too much of Spengler's work, but he does introduce a lot of terminology. I think with him you can learn it as you go along with Decline of the West, though.

[Anonymous No.17564035]

>>17563305

For the same reason you post like a Resetera user

[Anonymous No.17564060]

>>17558052
DO NOT READ RIDE THE TIGER FIRST LMAO

[Anonymous No.17564094]

>>17560795
They're under $20 on Amazon poorfag