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/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy General Anonymous Sat Feb 13 03:44:19 2021 No.17532906 [Reply] [Original]

Bakker Edition
>Does it bother you?

Previous Thread: >>17509957

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Goodreads
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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 03:58:08 2021 No.17532936 My mistake the real previous thread is >>17522259

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 04:00:12 2021 No.17532941
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Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 04:21:21 2021 No.17532991 File: 766 KB, 921x652, 1613170913590.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Consult or Believer

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 04:49:34 2021 No.17533092 File: 1.84 MB, 1313x1600, kellhus.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 04:51:24 2021 No.17533105 File: 60 KB, 416x470, 8015D9B1-1A55-4FF6-9691-B8AE6AFCAF88.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is his fucking problem? Serious question

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 05:51:20 2021 No.17533381 Thread topic since OP is a fag Who is an author who you would either like to read, or have already read, everything they've published?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 05:55:27 2021 No.17533406 This thread is based.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 05:55:34 2021 No.17533407 >>17532906 Are we ever going to get a conclusion? Or at least the promised Atrocity Tales?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 05:56:51 2021 No.17533417 >>17533381 >have already read everything they've published? Watts and Bakker

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:00:30 2021 No.17533440 File: 70 KB, 554x1000, 3d2a8070cede52a852299028bede5c25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17533381 The true GOAT, Zelazny

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:07:29 2021 No.17533477 >>17533381 Very unironically Sanderson lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:09:43 2021 No.17533494 >>17533381 Word. Why do these late thread OPs always make so shit threads? Not bothered by Bakker, in fact I'm sword bakkerfag myself, but the thread OP is simply bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:10:51 2021 No.17533498 >>17533477 cringe but also impressive

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:12:17 2021 No.17533507 >>17532941 those books are shit please stop plugging them

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:36:02 2021 No.17533632 >>17533507 Filtered

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 06:44:32 2021 No.17533669 >>17533381 Read Wolfe, PKD and Hodgson entirely. Bujold is likely next since I already read Vorkosigan and after her Ursula and the Strugatkis since I'am already at 50% on them.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:09:21 2021 No.17533793

>>17533381
I think it's odd how attached you guys get to authors. Only a year or so ago, I would have never thought in terms of "reading [author]". That's bizarre. Because why would one read a book based on who wrote it? Isn't the point to read the book based on its contents, and the quality therein?

And like, I tell people I like game of thrones, and they start shitting on GRRM, like I'm supposed to give a fuck. I said I like GAME OF THRONES, not George RR Martin. I don't give a fuck what you say about him. Because it ultimately changes nothing about the book he wrote.

And you can see how sensitive people get when you say you don't like a book. They take it as an offense against the author. And I mean, I guess it kind of is, because the author is ultimately to blame for when a book is bad. So it reflects badly on them. But merely disliking a book doesn't mean I have any ill will toward the author. I don't care that much about them, I only cared about the book they wrote.

So basically, I don't have any desire to read any one author's entire catalog. The one author that came closest was Lois McMaster Bujold. I kept reading, because the books were all so good. But then I came across a book that I couldn't stomach, and stopped my progress there. I'm not going to force myself to finish her book because "It's Bujold". That's fucking silly.

The whole cult of personality surrounding Bakker makes me not even want to bother reading him. You Bakker guys are crazy. I don't want to be associating with crazy. If I read his material, then I might become crazy like you.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:17:26 2021 No.17533822

>>17533793
Bakker had 7 main good books. Everything else is irrelevant and those 7 good books are REALLY good. Subjectively of course, but even objectively speaking, nothing comes quite close to Earwa.
For being so "objective" (reading books for book's content not for the author) you come off as quite hypocritical to reject an author based on their audience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:25:38 2021 No.17533854 >>17533822 I never claimed to be objective. I'm just saying, if there was a tunnel, and every man who went into that tunnel came out the other side changed into a spazzing schizo, would you risk entering that tunnel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:25:43 2021 No.17533855 >>17533793 >caring this much about other people’s opinions Not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:39:32 2021 No.17533895 What themes do you want to explore in a fantasy novel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 07:51:52 2021 No.17533957 >>17533895 Race of lovers

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:06:10 2021 No.17534012 >>17533895 ptsd but in a good way not the sanderhack way

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:18:20 2021 No.17534061 >bakker spam every thread >threads dying without anybody making a new one because nobody cares about this shitty general anymore Like pottery.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:22:00 2021 No.17534076

I have just finished TTT. Akka is the true GOAT and Cnaiur story kindl of fizzled out??

Questions
> Moenghus
was he essentially a proto Kellhus that got to the point of the thousand fold thought but got filtered at that point, became a cishaurim for power but got cucked as their powers are emotionally based and became a Dunyain dead end?

> The next four books
everywhere I go mixed signals, some say it’s shit, massive slog. I know there’s a twenty year time skip so am I right in assuming the boring shit is like Kellhus kids and stuff? How bad is it because from what I’ve read it has all the cool stuff about the Inchoroi in them?

>should I take a break?
I have 91 books in my TBR folder on kindle, including
>The Wizard Knight Wolfe
>Once and Future King
>Hyperion
>Joe Abercrombie, John Gwynne, and Mark Lawrence series

As well as some other shit.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:28:55 2021 No.17534099

>>17534076
the second series is great desu
there are some ponderous plot moves, but in general his writing is even better than the first series. so many devastating sequences. last two books are absolutely gripping (unless you’re a squeamish normie desu, in which case you shouldn’t be reading bakker).

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:33:13 2021 No.17534113

>>17534076
kellhus kids are fine, it's just the first two books are a little slow paced, but other people have had no problem with them. they are good books though, you can take a break since timeskip or keep going.

Moenghus got the TTT and had a good plan since maithanet was his son and he knew kellhus would take holy war and he has cisharium. Plan was for them to all combine and work together and beat consult, but kellhus knew he would join consult once he found that damnation was real and killed him. And yes he made a mistake regarding the psukhe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:33:50 2021 No.17534117 >>17534061 t.sandersoy

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:34:04 2021 No.17534119

>>17534076
>am I right in assuming the boring shit is like Kellhus kids and stuff?
Oddly no. Kids in fiction are usually annoying and insufferable as fuck but all of Kellhus' kids are based. The biggest slog, in my opinion, was the Ordeal stuff. Again, oddly enough. You would expect the kids to be annoying little shits and the Ordeal to be based Men fighting and being manly. It's actually inverse. The kids are interesting and intriguing and keeps you going, while the Ordeal is a huge ass slog after slog of dudes starving and being degenerate.
The Achamian stuff is also interesting but more unique. Some of the best parts in all the 7 books are from the Akka parts. The nonman mansion in Judging Eye was some of the best fiction I've ever read, and all the characters are cool and feel unique to their own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:35:06 2021 No.17534127 File: 25 KB, 641x530, 1528500000776.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The general wasn't this shitty like one month ago, what the fuck happened?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:35:56 2021 No.17534132

>>17534076
Kellhus kids, or at least the one kid that gets more screentime than all the rest combined, is one of the best parts of the second series. Now that I think about it you can honestly skip every Achamian chapter till the last book. You will miss a lot of cool stuff and context, but you'll also eliminate 90% of the slogging.
Out of those you listed though I would read Once and Future King and Hyperion first. Not necessarily because they're better but for a change of pace kind of break that won't take so long that you'll forget.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:36:08 2021 No.17534133 >>17534127 Does it trouble you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:36:09 2021 No.17534134 >>17534061 what are you talking about? the threads have been moving at record speed. i used to bake new threads but other anons beat me to it these days. and a wild vitality crept through their veins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:38:21 2021 No.17534146 >>17534134 I also fuck sranc, dunno if it matters :)

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:42:06 2021 No.17534163

>>17534119
i loved the great ordeal parts the most. full house: anasûrimbor edition was good too. i found the scalping plot a little sloggy at times, but that’s the point.

the opening scene at sakarpus; cil-aujas; the ten yoke legion; irsûlor; swaranûl; ishterebinth; ishuäl; “does it trouble you”; dagliash; the meat; the last whelming and of course the conclusion... all some of the most unforgettable sequences i’ve ever read in fantasy. if i could find another series that came close, i’d shill for that instead.... but for me, nothing comes close to bakker, especially the second series.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:42:38 2021 No.17534169
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>>17534076
Nobody said the 4 sequels are shit. They are 4 big thick fat books full of dense prose and dense world building. They ARE a massive slog meaning you can't read them one sunny afternoon willy nilly, but they are good high fantasy books, let's be clear on that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:43:44 2021 No.17534173 >>17534169 E-Esmi...?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:44:01 2021 No.17534175

>>17534099
>>17534113
>>17534119
When you refer to slog are we talking essentially like armies just walking to places similar to book two?

Akka is my favourite character, then Cnaiur.

>>17534132
Hmmm I was leaning more to Wolfe as it is a shortish two book series...I feel as if I started Hyperion I would need to read the sequels?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:45:09 2021 No.17534179 >>17534163 One of the best displays of awe inspiring, unfathomable power I've ever read in any book was the nuke

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:46:46 2021 No.17534183 >>17534175 Nope. Hyperion as a very good standalone. In fact I think it's better as a standalone

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:47:35 2021 No.17534191 File: 55 KB, 577x382, 143F1229-9593-4087-8A47-06ED5B11145F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17533105 Mild autism Depression A shitty childhood Anger issues Extremely stubborn personality 150+ IQ That’s my diagnosis. (Get it? Gnosis.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:50:51 2021 No.17534203 >>17534175 When I say slog I refer to just that. Thick fat books full of stuff. Any large series is a slog. Dune and BotNS are my favorite books of all time, and I consider them both a slog. Neither of them you can read absent-minded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:51:19 2021 No.17534206 File: 103 KB, 340x242, B291D1C2-CA8B-4597-8254-B90408775910.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534175 slog is a term from the sranc hunters meaning a long, troublesome and arduous journey. >it’s the slog of slogs, boys

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:53:19 2021 No.17534215

Is there a series with a convergence as complex, satisfying, and well written as the finale of Malazans Toll The Hounds?

Bonus question - Quick Ben v Achamanian.

Ultra instinct bonus question - Rand al Thor v Kellhus

Blood and guts tier - Cnair vs Karsa Orlong vs GUTS

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:53:37 2021 No.17534217 >>17534203 >>17534206 But yea "the slog" is basically just a book meme, you'll get it by the end of the first book

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:54:53 2021 No.17534223 >>17534215 Kellhus could talk Rand into being his butt slave

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 08:56:40 2021 No.17534238 >>17534223 Rands pretty psycho and untrustworthy for 90% of the series, untill his awakening so to speak. I think pre awakening Rand would be Cnair tier, post awakening Rand would see through Kellhus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:06:24 2021 No.17534294 >>17534215 the first 90% of TTH is boring as fuck though. Achamian would rape quick ben. Karsa would rape gnauir, guts would probably beat karsa, especially with the berserker armor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:08:02 2021 No.17534298 >>17534169 >The study is so deep, Father...

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:11:41 2021 No.17534318 >>17534294 >the first 90% of TTH is boring as fuck though Can’t imagine having an opinion this trash

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:15:18 2021 No.17534333 >>17534175 I'm the guy you're actually asking. Whatever you do, if you enjoy Hyperion don't read the Hyperion sequels. They're awful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:16:02 2021 No.17534336 >>17534318 Who is the anomander rake of Bakker?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:20:39 2021 No.17534354 >>17534336 cleric >>17534318 literally fact because eriksons dad died so he made it depressing and boring

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:21:01 2021 No.17534357 >>17534336 kellhus i guess

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:32:30 2021 No.17534412 File: 1.59 MB, 958x1340, AB50327C-7C24-475B-863E-FBCFC3866E38.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The Eye opens.... >Sees.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:41:39 2021 No.17534448 recommendation for Science Fiction that doesn't preach social justice, nor was written by some woke asshole? to be clear, I don't want something written by a mediocre grifter who just happens to lean conservative. I'm looking for a good book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:44:47 2021 No.17534458 >>17534117 >being the only person in the whole thread to bring up Sandershit Huge fag. Rent free.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:55:44 2021 No.17534519 File: 525 KB, 1511x2015, 6EEDBB40-33C4-4A22-836B-B84032164869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17533854 I think they’re more just taking the piss on an anonymous posting board than uh, being like schizos or whatever. Great books tho.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:56:13 2021 No.17534523 >>17534458 Does it trouble you, sandersoy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:57:08 2021 No.17534528 File: 84 KB, 948x1529, starship troopers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534448 You'll probably like this.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 09:59:33 2021 No.17534544
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I'm back already looking for a recommendation. I'm starting to think I already juiced /sffg/ for the best picks already. I'm not going to lie, I'm losing faith in your ability to make any more good recs.
If I had to list my priorities, it would be: characters > plot > world building. In that order. Or: conflicts > intrigues/mysterys > paint drying > battles.
Hyperion is actually a very character driven book with a lot of mystery. The Gentleman Bastard is a very character driven book with lost of intrigues. Dune, Licanius, just about all of the books I liked have character driven conflicts with some mystery to keep the reader strung along. I want more of that.
And also
No Bakker
No Sanderson
No Wolfe
No Vance

I actually appreciate your patience with me. I've only been reading for a short while now, and so I'm only discovering what I really enjoy about these books. The picture is coming clearer now. And it's because of your recommendations. Whether I like them or not, either way helps shape my tastes.

History so far
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*, The Library At Mount Char@, The Farseer Trilogy**, The Elder Empire series(Shadow), Liveship Traders*, The Gentleman Bastard 1** and 2, Hyperion**, Endymion 1, The Dying Earth, The Emperor's Soul, Elantris@, Warbreaker@, Book of the New Sun,

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series(Sea), Vorkosigan Saga**

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands@, Borne, The Mermaid's Tale(V.D.Valdron)@, Endymion 2, Lyonesse@, Mistborn, Seveneves

*liked
**liked a lot
@disliked

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:01:59 2021 No.17534559 >>17534544 you don’t read, cretin, you listen to audiobooks. leave this general and don’t come back until you can read printed words on a page.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:03:26 2021 No.17534567 >>17534559 Why so frustrated? Is there a book you wish to recommend that doesn't have an audio version? Is that what's bothering you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:04:01 2021 No.17534569 >>17534559 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:06:02 2021 No.17534583 >>17534076 I don’t know where you heard aspect emperor is boring, also hop right into it don’t wait (that’s retarded).

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:06:08 2021 No.17534585 >>17534567 you disgust me. people like you are the reason literature is dying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:09:42 2021 No.17534611 >>17534567 >>>/mu/

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:11:34 2021 No.17534626
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>>17534076
Also you read (fuck you fucked up bad) fuck you haven’t even read Lawrence yet? Ambcombrie? WK? Brooooo you fuuckeeedd upppp reading bakker so early on. Wow. You’re saying all this gay shit like oohh should I not read the next series aaaarghhh I’m gay im gay, like bro, those are the least of your concerns. I honestly feel bad for you, you fucked up bad. I mean, I low key fucked up too reading him so early on but JESUS, at least I read ambocombrie, Lawrence, Anthony Ryan, wolfe, grrm, wot, you know, all that shit, and still I feel I read bakker too soon. Litteraly nothing will compete, it’ll be like shooting skag before ever even getting stoned, you know hahah. Wow. You’re a retard why didn’t you listen to us?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:12:44 2021 No.17534633 >>17534448 forever war

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:13:33 2021 No.17534637 >>17534626 can you stop posting these jezebels im trying to nofap

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:13:44 2021 No.17534639 >>17534458 >imagine searching for the word “sandersoy” on every single thread cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:17:09 2021 No.17534662 >>17534544 >skipped >Prince of nothing >malazan >the black company >liked a lot >wheel of time >gentleman bastards >lots of intrigue Lmao, check out the young adult section for fantasy/science fiction maybe pal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:17:17 2021 No.17534667 >>17533895 Detective mystery

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:22:23 2021 No.17534702

>>17534626
Nah bruh, I read Abercrombie just have a few that I haven’t yet, finished wheel of time, Malazan, black company, started book of the new sun, read all grrm etc - tbf after Malazan nothing could compete so I left the fantasy genre completely and read some mishima Hemingway siddhartha to completely wipe my pallet and assume I’ll do the same with Bakker - I have a few ww2 books I want to read so will probably jump into them when it all becomes a bit stale.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:22:48 2021 No.17534706 >>17534544 >>17534567 Cringe >>17534662 >>17534559 >>17534569 >>17534583 >>17534585 Based Also fuck audiocuck AKA Karen

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:22:57 2021 No.17534707

>>17534662
The faggot posts his same stupid list here often, in almost every thread. He doesn’t read books, only listens to audiobooks, and he refuses to “read” Bakker since he doesn’t like the audiobook reader’s voice. Mock and ostracize, Anon... mock and ostracize.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:34:10 2021 No.17534784 File: 134 KB, 736x386, 1 U1ZScVZO8avbzDyRXdCrog.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is your favourite blind guardian song about fantasy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:34:51 2021 No.17534787 >>17534784 https://youtu.be/M0TcB5lxfuY

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:36:37 2021 No.17534801 >>17534780 >N-no! You can’t deploy scifi weapons of mass destruction in my high fantasy setting! haha dagliash go booom

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:36:37 2021 No.17534802 >>17534544 fuck off with your reddit tier list, whatever you disliked is probably worth reading

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:40:06 2021 No.17534820
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>>17534662
The books I skipped aren't always due to disliking them. But I did skip Malazan because I couldn't cope with how much the story sounded like a D&D campaign. When I originally said as much, other anons told me that the author really did base his book on a D&D campaign. So I dropped it. I can't get into the story when characters are literally referred to their classes, like "the thief" and "the warrior" etc. It sounds cheap.

I skipped Prince of Nothing for what this anon says >>17534707 (I don't post my list in every thread. I only ask for recommendations periodically. Days or weeks can go by.)
I don't remember why I skipped the black company.

I stand by the fact that Wheel of Time is a good book. It only needed to be edited down. Books 1-5 are great. Then the lull hits at 6.

The gentleman Bastards did have a lot of intrigue. You were just made privy to most of it, since it was told from the perspective of the person perpetrating most of the plots. But then there was the opposite side that Locke couldn't see. Locke was a victim to the intrigues of others. There were secret identities, and plots within plots, and revelations. I'm not saying it was terribly complex. But it was just complex enough to be interesting. The entire story was about factions scamming each other.

Well anyway, what would YOU consider a good read? Don't tell me that Prince of Nothing, Malazan, and The Black Company were the ONLY things you could think to recommend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:40:57 2021 No.17534826 >>17534820 fuck off retard, literally no one cares about your stupid shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:41:48 2021 No.17534834 >>17534820 >pic name Nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:42:05 2021 No.17534836 >>17534826 Stop thinking you can control the thread, Karen.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:42:18 2021 No.17534837

>>17534784
I feel that they're all about fantasy. anyway my favorite Blind Guardian song is indeed off of Nightfall - the song is The Curse Of Feanor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZ7f0Yy-4M

>Don't fear the eyes of the dark lord
>Morgoth I cried
>All hope is gone but I swear revenge
>HEAR MY OATH!!!!
>I WILL TAKE PART IN YOUR DAMNED FAT

bros I wish I liked LOTR more. Blind Guardian, Summoning, all that other really really underground black metal with LOTR references.. I love it all but I don't understand much of it. I owe all 3 books, Hobbit, Silmarillion AND The Children of Húrin, but I jst can't will myself to read em. they are kinda slog of slogs if you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:42:34 2021 No.17534838 >>17534820 You are not getting book recommendations here, would you like some music recs instead, we know you like to listen so much Karen

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:47:07 2021 No.17534871 >>17534837 Holy shit this is awful. Just trash to my ears. For scifi listen to Com Truise For fantasy listen to psychedelic and prog rock That's it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:48:29 2021 No.17534880 >>17534871 different strokes. I also enjoy Com Truise hipster urban electronic, as well as hippie-dippie Yes and Genesis and King Crimson..

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:50:48 2021 No.17534892
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Threadly reminder that you are legally obligated to put on Heaven and Hell by Black Sabbath when you get to Chapter 20 of The Unholy Consult. It’s Bakker’s official soundtrack.

https://youtu.be/idn50Xj_CiY

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:50:53 2021 No.17534895 >>17534871 hows the cock in your ass feel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:51:25 2021 No.17534896 >>17534892 AND WHEN YOU WALK IN GOLDEN HALLS

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:51:28 2021 No.17534897 >>17534706 This Imagine being then audiocuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:52:06 2021 No.17534902 File: 3.15 MB, 1275x1800, 9964D441-3E6F-4548-92F4-56BB492E1346.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534892 >tfw resumption

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:53:05 2021 No.17534911 >>17534902 idk why they even bothered with le hologram

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:54:23 2021 No.17534920 File: 176 KB, 600x584, destroy all astromen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534871 >synthwave You are queer. For fantasy it's Sleep and for science fiction it's surf rock or ambient computer noises.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:55:14 2021 No.17534925 >>17534880 True enough >>17534895 I think it's you who needs Blind Guardian to mindwipe the memories of your uncle >>17534896 Fool, fool! You've got to bleed for the dancer!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:58:05 2021 No.17534933 >>17534920 >ambient computer noises That's literally synthwave, troglodyte. Listen to Spin or Wayfaring Stranger by HP Lovecraft, that's fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:59:19 2021 No.17534938 >>17534933 no, I mean literally sit next to your computer while it's running and listen to the sounds it makes.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 10:59:22 2021 No.17534939
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Sorcerers of madness
Selling me their time
Child of God sitting in the sun
Keeping peace of mind
Fictional seduction
On a black snow sky
Sadness kills the superman
Even fathers cry

he totally included the glossary to bait people into thinking K wasn't gonna die, bro i got 30% of the book left!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:00:08 2021 No.17534945 File: 91 KB, 479x480, 84C495C4-E028-4DB8-8C19-B628239F2065.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posting Bakkercore, eh. https://youtu.be/WlfS-oakUxM https://youtu.be/FrdEuEWBIFQ https://youtu.be/pPITWzxoHvU https://youtu.be/fXWNsNd0zBE

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:00:53 2021 No.17534949 Which of you fuckers recommended me Sanderson?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:01:28 2021 No.17534953 >>17534838 There's gotta be some irony in the fact that you're angry at me for not reading Bakker in text. But then Bakkerfags start posting literal music in the thread.

None !SFFG.n1h7M Sat Feb 13 11:02:02 2021 No.17534958
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>>17532906
Quarantine - Greg Egan (1992)
This begins as a private investigator novel and then eventually shifts into something else. In 2064 neurological modification is a commonplace commodity. However you want to be or feel can be determined by commercially available mods. They can also augment the user by altering biochemistry and providing digital interfaces.
The theoretical ideas expressed by the novel don't come to the fore until roughly halfway through, which seems an odd choice to me, but ironically I may have enjoyed the first half more. The various theories of quantum mechanics are the primary ideas explored. The core questions are what are the practical applications of self-decoherence and how much does free will really matter anyway?
If you thought that the name of the book would be its focus, you'd be wrong. The fact that a volume twice pluto's orbit has been enclosed, not just the Earth, is central to everything that happens in the book, but its significance isn't explained until the end and mostly serves as a plot device.
There's a lot that has been to be taken on faith, as it were, for both the reader and the characters, which Egan realizes and tries to defuse by having the characters repeatedly state that what they're doing isn't quantum mysticism, it's science. I'm very skeptical when retrocausality is used for why everything happens, because it's so very convenient and often unsatisfactory like deus ex machina are.
As seems typical so far of Egan, the ending and what leads up to it are where Egan decides that the theory must be taken to its extreme. I wasn't pleased because it reminded me of Lathe of Heaven by LeGuin, though in this case everyone can do so. It's messy, literally and figuratively.
Rating: 3.5/5

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:02:21 2021 No.17534959 >>17534911 just to fuck with the reader’s head some more before delivering the final blow

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:02:34 2021 No.17534960

>>17534945
At the end warrior prophet when those northmen are trying to find their village people and ?aurax? Was doing his we are lovers shtick, change by deftones was playing in my head and when ?aurax? Runs his finger over the dudes wife the bass drops

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:04:20 2021 No.17534974
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>>17534892
as good as Sabbath is, The Great Ordeal and TUC need stuff that is WAY more sinister.. which is why the Ruins of Beverast was my soundtrack for the books. I'm sure it's an acquired taste, but it is absolutely thick with atmosphere, and sets the tone of these last two books very well

>Battle of Dagliash
The Ruins Of Beverast - Euphoria When The Bombs Fell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTjBSQL5lvU

>Battle of Golgotterath
The Ruins Of Beverast - 50 Forts Along the Rhine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70d7Cu5sUE0

>The overall soundtrack of the Inchoroi
The Ruins of Beverast - The Foulest Semen of the Sheltered Elite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBgDgy8yKY

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:05:01 2021 No.17534980 This is peak /sffg/ Bakker posting is pure kino

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:06:51 2021 No.17534994 >>17534960 it's like you never had wings, anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:07:42 2021 No.17535002 >>17534960 I confess to having had boner while reading that passage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:07:46 2021 No.17535004 >>17534974 based

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:08:48 2021 No.17535010 >>17535002 HOW LONG HAVE YOU SERVED GOLGOTTERATH?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:10:12 2021 No.17535023 >>17534911 Maybe so no stray sorcerer could fuck it up before it’s fully charged tornado mode

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:13:46 2021 No.17535034 >>17535023 Why doesn’t Carapace 2.0 have any Chorae? The first version had 11 on it IIRC.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:24:32 2021 No.17535084

>>17534544
Once again he has exhausted another book by ears alone. "I require more books to listen," he mutters to himself.

Physically unable to read more than few lines in one sitting due to autism and dyslexia dictation is the only way of immersing oneself in stories.

By instinct he feels the best place for more book recommendations in in the channel of four. With almost religious ardour he begins to list all of the poor books that have had to be listened by him. Not only that, he explains in elaborate detail his fascination with The Gentlemen Bastard and Hyperion.

Thinking /sffg/ is his personal goodreads, he adds him own ratings to each of the book series. To the astonishment of the other anons he yet again claims to have had the time of his life with R. Jordan's works.

But the most damnable offense has not yet appeared. To the horror of the /sffg/ he claims to skip Malazan, The Second Apocalypse and Mistborn.

Sanderbois still remembering his audacious days of returning thread by thread asking for Sanderson recommendations and always coming back telling how he hated it all. The Bakkerchads figuring out his only reason not to "read" Bakker is the fact the audiobook reader did not please his highness.

Like his political idol he says. "I am back once again asking for your recommendations."

But none of this is to the liking of the Bakkerchads and Sanderbois. With their combined forces the audiocuck is repelled for the hundreth time.

But the audiocuck is not disheartened. No. Not him. Damnation if he does not receive another recommendation... For he is,

Kären urs Dictatus, Listener-of-Books-and-Prose, The most audible of all men.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:25:55 2021 No.17535093

>>17535034
Because the Dunsult (though I've read a theory that the Dunsult is possessed by Shaeonanra, evidenced by how they kind of speak in concert) planned to insert Kellhus into the Carapace. Based on what they knew it would have salted Kellhus and ruined Resumption, so they removed the chorae.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:27:06 2021 No.17535103 >>17535084 audibly kek’d

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:28:08 2021 No.17535108 >>17535093 learn2spoiler

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:32:06 2021 No.17535126 >>17534960 she wanted the BIC

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:35:37 2021 No.17535148 >>17534974 Appreciate. But I personally really love old school heavy metal for Bakker. It seems to offset but enhance the bizarre ultraviolence of the text.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:39:10 2021 No.17535169
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>>17535093
Spoiler for you fags who still didn't read the bakker

It would have been so cool for Shae to ultimately REALLY be the latest bad guy. Basically he along with some nonmen were really the most compelled to cut the world off afterlife. They weren't some "sranc" with souls (inchoroi) who only pursued the goal because they didn't know anything else. It's stated that the inchoroi (and wracu to some extend) were just creations and were basically cursed since birth to hunger for rape and torture so that they will heap damnation upon damnation on themselves, and so continue their mission and not forget where they came from.
Shae and the nonmen came to that conclusion by themselves, that everyone is damned to hell, even those who go in "heaven". But while the nonmen sought other options (void worship), Shae did what must be done.
I kinda hate that bakker made the Consult so ridiculously evil. I guess the arguments are too good, and if the Consult were some benevolent faction, nobody would ever fight against their cause and more or less everyone would join.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:41:06 2021 No.17535179 >>17534902 What are they looking at? WHAT DO YOU SEE

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:41:29 2021 No.17535180 >>17535169 I am not reading that message. I am trying to remain as unspoiled as possible but it is getting very hard in these threads. Currently reading The Judging Eye.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:42:50 2021 No.17535189 File: 61 KB, 720x661, 1590301112243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >they fear the peaceful CHADshaurim

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:44:22 2021 No.17535202 >>17535180 sorry for not doing the spoiler thing but I hate seeing boxed of black in threads. Makes phoneposting a shitty experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:47:10 2021 No.17535219 File: 544 KB, 798x703, “One might sooner wash shit from shit than cleanse a soul so wicked!” .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bakkerbros... we just can't stop winning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:47:45 2021 No.17535221 >>17535179 K hologram

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:47:55 2021 No.17535222 File: 50 KB, 263x350, 76792b0665c7a42bba0f511f0069a633.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How much is 11 talents worth? >6 more than a whore would

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:49:03 2021 No.17535231 these threads have become embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:49:21 2021 No.17535234 >>17535222 >he hasn't read the bible

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:49:51 2021 No.17535241

>>17534820
Malazan shits all over The Wheel of Time - first three WoT are LoTR homage that then spins off into the great Slog.

You dislike pretty much all top tier recs - I can only think of things that are simple like Magician by Feist that would hold your attention.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:49:54 2021 No.17535242 >>17535219 well well, that just about sums it up. saved

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:50:14 2021 No.17535243 >>17535222 talent is a measurement of silver by weight, one talent is a significant amount of money, might be wrong but iirc it was either a month or a years wages for an unskilled laborer

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:56:40 2021 No.17535285
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>>17535189
lmao absolutely based

>>17535179
it's been so long since I'm read Bakker, can you guys remind me about the No God and WHAT DO YOU SEE? What was it getting at by asking that? Something something the No God is unconscious and is instead the Platonic Form of Something Something? I simply totally forget, plus I'm a level 4 brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:57:35 2021 No.17535293 >>17535285 le synthetiss of subject or object some philosophical shit it can't pericive itself idk read philosopohy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:58:05 2021 No.17535296 >Nasty creatures, really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 11:59:53 2021 No.17535308 >>17535293 you think I'm gonna spend my finite time on this earth to read Hegel? shit...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:02:19 2021 No.17535320 >>17535308 i dont think it's hegel its another one

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:03:17 2021 No.17535327

>>17535285
subject= self, soul, personhood
object= material reality
no-god= synthesis of subject and object, which somehow rewrites the laws of existence.
”WHAT DO YOU SEE?” is the voice of the poor soul trapped inside the Carapace, ie. nau-cayuti or kelmomas. it also refers to the theme of vision/blindness that runs through all the books, ie. blindsight/blind brain theorg, viz. cishaurim, viz. the blindness of the Gods.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:06:32 2021 No.17535353 >>17533854 The people who post obsessively in these threads are not a significant fraction of his readership.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:09:14 2021 No.17535373

>>17535353
actually, /sffg/ bakkerchads, along with the 40 or so posters on r/bakker, probably comprise a significant majority of bakker’s fans. his work is not exactly popular desu, it doesn’t enjoy a fraction of the normie fanbase that hacks like rothfuss, sanderson and grrm command.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:13:19 2021 No.17535404 File: 87 KB, 864x664, twelve talent whore.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17535222 I'm literally going to find myself the equivalent of a sumna whore in the coming month. Nothing will be able to stop me and I'm already damned anyway.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:14:43 2021 No.17535419

>>17535084
You just proved how tedious reading is.

Nah, that was kind of funny. But I have to say, I don't like that I've become the object of your autistic fixation. I just want to read and talk about books. And you want to turn me into some thread name. Like, the worst parts of generals are the namefags trying to gain clout and notoriety. And now here you are giving me a name and turning my appearance into a little circus. Doesn't sit right with me.

>>17535241
>Ask for interesting characters and mysteries and cool plots.
>Actively state how I don't enjoy the D&D feel of Malazan.
>Get recommended what sounds like the most generic fantasy novel ever.
I'm sorry, but you're going to have to explain this one to me. How did you come up with this rec?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:19:38 2021 No.17535452 The White Luck Warrior has been a slog (pun intended) so far. What did he smoke when writing this? He could’ve put most of what I’ve read into the Judging Eye.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:20:20 2021 No.17535460 >>17535373 I thought they sold 10-100k each?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:22:15 2021 No.17535472 >>17535460 This general has more discussion of him than the rest of the internet combined. desu since like 90% of 4chan users are lurkers he's probably got like a 30% sales bump because of us

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:24:51 2021 No.17535490 >>17535472 I wish all my friends weren't Mormon so I could talk about these things in person.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:25:04 2021 No.17535496 Are there any fantasy stand-alones, or series that are satirical? Akin to how Snow Crash is a send up of all things cyberpunk?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:26:03 2021 No.17535501 >>17535419 cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:26:47 2021 No.17535508 >>17534448 The Star F.I.S.T. series by Dan Cragg and David Sherman is super macho and ooorah, they are both former USMC master sergeants or sergeant majors or somthing like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:30:45 2021 No.17535542 >>17535169 That guy looks like he is Woody Harrelson's retarded brother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:31:06 2021 No.17535547 >>17535452 White luck warrior is a lot better on a reread than it is the first time imo. It definitely drags the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:32:29 2021 No.17535557 Will Bakker's stupid character names eventually become tolerable? Also I only finished the first Malazan book and it's obvious the guy just wrote down his shitty DnD campaign.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:32:54 2021 No.17535560 >>17535496 Michael Swanwick "The Iron Dragon's Daughter", you'll love it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:42:05 2021 No.17535618 >>17535557 Monoglot detected

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:42:05 2021 No.17535619 File: 710 KB, 380x214, gif-boros-2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17535560 I was filtered by the teenage high school slut part, couldn't finish that shit. Worth slogging through it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:48:44 2021 No.17535682 >>17535618 To be fair, Malazan's character's names were infinitely worse and nonsensical.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:56:39 2021 No.17535749 >>17535682 Googling them, yeah, they look legitimately retarded. I was referring to Bakker's character names. Only a person who only knows English would think they're intolerable.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:57:07 2021 No.17535759

>>17535619
I think so. It has been a long time since I read it. I remember not being able to enjoy it as much as it deserved on the first read because it was such a weird book, just like the first Deathstalker book.

That might be another candidate for you btw, even though it leans more towards science fiction. It definetely has fantasy elements in it though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 12:59:38 2021 No.17535780 Any fantasy that has that scummy, low-life feel of cyberpunk? Lankhmar, perhaps? Anything else?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:00:19 2021 No.17535783 >>17535780 DISCIPLE OF THE DOG

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:01:32 2021 No.17535795 >>17535749 >Only a person who only knows English would think they're intolerable. True. Maybe I'd be more accepting if they weren't in a book written by a Canadian guy in English.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:16:44 2021 No.17535916 >>17535783 Hmm, that takes place on 20th century Earth? Sounds interesting, but I'm looking for something in a second world setting

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:17:53 2021 No.17535929 >Y-yes... I... I remember..,.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:25:34 2021 No.17535995 >>17535795 Then you're saying books in English can only have characters with English names? That's a pretty brainlet opinion to have, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:26:50 2021 No.17536002 File: 939 KB, 1125x1131, 29002612-C848-48D3-B517-E35A3E5237F1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >What power you must wield, Father...

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:43:29 2021 No.17536147

How many bastards are running around Westeros now that could potentially claim their house's land and castles? We've got Jon, Gendry, Edric, Aegon, Ramsay, and maybe a few others. I think Martin may be setting up some sort of Bastard War between different groups of bastards like how his War of Five Kings played out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:44:17 2021 No.17536151 >>17535682 >Bre'neigan >Gu'Rull >Run'Thurvian Why is there an apostrophe there? >>17535557 >Anasûrimbor >Sërwe Clearly Tolkienian ripoffs, -rimbor is literally a Sindarin construct >Cnaiür urs Skiötha Ok wtf are you doing, that must be a joke.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:50:38 2021 No.17536199

>>17535995
I get what you're saying and I get that I should just suck it up and accept it, but it's still annoying. There's a thousand goddamn characters/places/institutions to remember and Cnaiür urs Skiötha and Anasûrimbor Moënghus and Ikurei Conphas and Sërwe and Anasûrimbor Kellhus aren't helping. This isn't the Iliad we're talking about. This is a fantasy book written in 2004. Cut me some slack Bakker!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:55:37 2021 No.17536247 >>17535916 21st century neo noir, very scummy not fantasy tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:56:09 2021 No.17536250 >>17536199 >this isn't the illaid you'd be surprised ,it's very inspired by it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 13:57:32 2021 No.17536262 >>17536247 *actullly my bad it's more like late 20th century, late 1990s or so, after gulf war.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:00:23 2021 No.17536285

>>17536199
The Almanac helps. Also taking notes as you go can be quite helpful. Bakker is definitely the kind of worldbuilder who throws everything at you at once and lets the reader use his own intelligence to sort through it all. The first time I read TDTCB, I had to put it down numerous times. It’s infinitely more enjoyable on the second read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:00:24 2021 No.17536287 >>17536151 >nomadic horseman is called neigh-er Bravo Bakker!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:00:32 2021 No.17536289 >>17536199 Honestly I have absolutely no issue remembering / pronouncing the names. t. east europa

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:00:54 2021 No.17536291 >>17536287 nay your

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:01:33 2021 No.17536295 >>17536287 I read it as kNEYE-oor

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:10:06 2021 No.17536361
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Bakker's world is pretty good and the stories he tells are interesting. I think the only reason he is not more popular is because normals get filtered very soon, like within the first page of the prologue of the first book.

~

Prologue
THE WASTES OF KÛNIÜRI
"If it is only after that we understand what has come before, then we understand nothing. Thus we shall define the soul as follows: that which precedes everything."
AJENCIS, THE THIRD ANALYTIC OF MEN

2147 Year-of-the-Tusk, the Mountains of Demua

One cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten.
The citadel of Ishuäl succumbed during the height of the Apocalypse. But no army of inhuman Sranc had scaled its ramparts. No furnace-hearted dragon had pulled down its mighty gates. Ishuäl was the secret refuge of the Kûniüric High Kings, and no one, not even the No-God, could besiege a secret.
Months earlier, Anasûrimbor Ganrelka II, High King of Kûniüri, had fled to Ishuäl with the remnants of his household. From the walls, his sentries stared pensively across the dark forests below, their thoughts stricken by memories of burning cities and wailing multitudes. When the wind moaned, they gripped Ishuäl’s uncaring stone, reminded of Sranc horns. They traded breathless reassurances. Had they not eluded their pursuers? Were not the walls of Ishuäl strong? Where else might a man survive the end of the world?

~

I mean what? Hot take, if he had no prologue and the book simply started with Achamian's part, more people would have read him, EVEN WITH the whole black seed stuff. And have Kellhus' part after Inrau's death, as some sort of break in between the book quarters.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:10:43 2021 No.17536362

>>17536199
Yeah, as with the music I guess it's different strokes. I just don't have any trouble with it, and I do think knowing three languages with fairly different grammar and very different vocabulary helps. Sorry I called you a brainlet Anon.
>>17536289
t. Same
>>17536295
I read it as KNAI-oor (I guess by EYE you mean like the word eye, so the diphthong AI). So the way I read it you pronounce the K with the NAI all as one syllable. Think the word Cry (KRAI) but replace R with N, it's easy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:11:25 2021 No.17536375 >>17536287 >>17536291 >>17536295 Multiple interpretations of a made up word? Which one of you is the fucking monoglot!?!?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:13:23 2021 No.17536388 I pronounced it Naw-eer

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:13:58 2021 No.17536392

>>17534820
Abercrombie. If you enjoyed WoT you're not going to pitch a lit-fit, and since you managed some Malazan you probably won't be put off by the grimdark either.

First book is by far the worst in the series, but it and the standalone novels after are all really good. He has pretty nice characters and prose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:17:13 2021 No.17536427 when did the bakker renaissance start? I've been shilling this nigger since 2012. what happened? time always vindicates the true artist

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:22:43 2021 No.17536493 File: 104 KB, 1249x417, 1494355068417.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dear Mr. Bakker, if you're out there, please give us a sign. We miss you. Return to us, your faithful Zaudunyani.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:26:53 2021 No.17536521

>>17536493

Kneeling Anons encrusted the Thread, all facing the summit, where a savage-looking Shill led them (one of the few yet living, he would later discover), dark face uplifted, hands held to the scalped heavens.
A congregation of those who had refused to forget.
The prayer concluded, and all souls lowered their heads in silence, Anon found himself fending shame for standing so indifferent, so conspicuous. Despite their harrowed and deranged appearance, he knew these once illustrious Anons of the /sffg/. He knew the autist from the metalhead, the Sanderhater from the meme-maker, such was his familiarity. He knew their great shitposts, and the names of their characters, their pronunciations …
“Return him to us!” the anonymous Shill suddenly howled to the heavens. Passion cracked his voice as violently as his face. “Please, God of Gods, send us our King of Authors!”
And suddenly all of them were crying out, wailing to the vacant sky, lamenting, cursing, and appealing, begging most of all …
For R. Scott Bakker.
The Demon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:35:36 2021 No.17536591 File: 169 KB, 1315x2000, arcadia.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534544

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:47:16 2021 No.17536689 >70% posts are about Bakker It's high time you faggots make your own general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:49:51 2021 No.17536705 >>17536689 >curse bakkaro!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:51:32 2021 No.17536711 >>17536689 >t. seething Sandersoy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:52:33 2021 No.17536723 >>17536689 Rent free :^)

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:54:05 2021 No.17536738

>>17536392
When you say Ambercombie, are you refering to the first law? Or some other books of his? I've read the First Law already. The main trilogy that is. It started pretty good. All the characters were interesting. And a lot of the ideas were fun and interesting. But the plot just kind of shriveled away in the end. Everything felt without purpose in the end. All the worst parts were when Ambercrombie did some forced edgy shit, just to be defiant to the genre. I didn't make it far into Malazan. I stopped at the beginning of the first book. I don't like edgy stuff, but I'm capable of stomaching it if the other parts of the book are good enough. The First Law was good enough to string me along to the end, but not good enough to make me feel satisfied with having endured all the edgy shit.

Anyway, I guess I could dig deeper into Ambercombie's works. Would you happen to know which other one of his books are good? Not related to the First Law that is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:54:50 2021 No.17536748 >>17536689 >Nooooo. You can’t speak about things I don’t like on MY general!!!!! You need to submit your feedback on 4chan’s feedback page and tell them what’s going on here!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:56:15 2021 No.17536759 File: 933 KB, 1795x1136, does-it-trouble-u-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17536689 DITY?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:58:04 2021 No.17536771 >>17536759 I ask again that you edit the pic with a pink spot on Proyas's seat to hint at his reamed boypucci

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 14:59:45 2021 No.17536781 >>17536738 Not that guy, but Best Served Cold is a lot better than anything in the First Law trilogy. As far as I am aware everything he's published is in the same setting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:10:31 2021 No.17536864 File: 484 KB, 1717x2560, 81lCGUkjf7L.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17536781 He has a YA series that's set in a different setting. It's decent but not as good as any of the First Law stuff.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:15:59 2021 No.17536917

>>17536748
>>17536705
>>17536711
>>17536723
Will you one day realize you're indistinguishable from bots?
Just as there's no reason to shill Bakker anymore, there wasn't any reason to post these stale replies.
This general has turned into nothing but Bakker circlejerking. You're obviously trying to evangelize faggots like the audiocuck retard. You spam, copypaste shit, shitpost 24x7. Half the times you're not discussing anything. That's why its quality has decreased even further. More people have read BotNS, a profound and complex series and just as obscure, and yet it never got to the shilling levels of the past couple of months.
>Mmm-mi-mister Bakker, we the Internet love your work, we hope y-you and your fff-family are doiing well, and y-you have fun with yo-your barn
>Sincerely,
>One of 30 annoying retards
Or
>What's some cool and totally not cringry death metal that reminds you of Bakker-sama
Fucking pathetic.

Take a hint from the Sanderfags. Make your own general. You probably won't because you need these clueless faggots to ask you dumb questions, to antagonize and demean, crying 'he must like Sanderson!!", to laugh when they attack your autism. You need non fanatics to pose as the true tribe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:17:33 2021 No.17536931 >>17536738 The Heroes and best served cold are far better than the trilogy. None of the story related probelsm, which is what 99% of people who complain don't like. I'd rec reading The Heroes ASAP.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:17:54 2021 No.17536937

>>17536591
Pretty random, but the summary sounds interesting. I guess I'll give in a shot.

>>17536781
I'll try this too. Enough time has passed since I felt the disappointment of the ending to the first law. The feeling is fading. So sure, why not go round 2 with Abercrombie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:21:08 2021 No.17536969 >>17536689 Seethe and dilate

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:24:15 2021 No.17536993 >>17536917 don't blame me, man. i only make high-quality and original bakker effortposts.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:29:15 2021 No.17537031

>>17536748
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>>17535219
The retards here convinced me to read the Prince of Nothing trilogy. I don't recommend it, it's tedious shit
The problem with Baller's work is that it's so childish and cringe inducing
>We're supposed to root or even have understanding for some disgusting whore as one of the main protagonists
>The Kelhus guy is cringy as fuck, uses unconvincing shit tier "talk-no-jutsu" to get thousands on his side, or to mentally break people. While in reality people would just LOL @ him
>The very definition of a Gary Stu, nothing can hurt him
>Is supposed to be a good guy prophet but goes around skinning killing random people
>Is a sexual degenerate
Other than that
>Cnaiur being the overdone deep savage stereotype
>Bakker thinking his "philosophy" is deep when it's actually something fedora wearing teenagers would believe or say

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:30:34 2021 No.17537041 >>17537031 To conclude, don't waste your time bros. Read some based Sanderson or Wheel of Time

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:31:24 2021 No.17537051 >>17537031 >The very definition of a Gary Stu, nothing can hurt him >Is supposed to be a good guy prophet but goes around skinning killing random people Double digit IQ.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:31:44 2021 No.17537054
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Just started reading this and I'm really confused, am I supposed to read another book before this?
just from the beginning it's throwing a bunch of names and events casually as if I'm supposed to know what it's talking about
I have no idea what the fuck is going on

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:31:50 2021 No.17537056 File: 126 KB, 450x410, warped_001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17534837 >I WILL TAKE PART IN YOUR DAMNED FAT I know what you meant but I still laughed

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:32:43 2021 No.17537063 >>17537054 yes that's the first book, just roll with it, it will make sense in time

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:33:27 2021 No.17537066 >>17537054 the prologue is set before the main story, just stick with it and pay attention.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:33:47 2021 No.17537071 >>17537054 >>17537031 >>17536917 Bros, is this the epitome of “filtered”?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:33:59 2021 No.17537075 >>17537031

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:34:04 2021 No.17537078 >>17537054 Drop it, it's a waste of time like this >>17537031 based anon explained here

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:35:06 2021 No.17537087 File: 40 KB, 373x143, You are the first type of reader.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17537078 obvious samefag, if you got filtered this hard by bakker I suggest you not read malazan (pic rel)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:35:10 2021 No.17537088 >>17537054 Best series I’ve ever read desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:35:41 2021 No.17537092 >>17537031 >>17537041 >To conclude, read some based Sanderson or Wheel of Time The filters write themselves

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:35:56 2021 No.17537095
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>>17536937
Random? Hey! I've been low-key shilling that charming bit of sci-fi at least once a month.

Speaking of shilling, that anon who shilled the Ten Very Big Books (Malazan readthrough) podcast last December did indeed have a good recommendation. I even ordered the two collections of the Tales of Bauchelain & Korbal Broach because of it.

>>17537031
You got a bit carried away with your mass reply there, bud. You had no cause to reply to me, someone who sometimes recommends lesser-known books, such as Europe in Autumn by Dave Hutchinson.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:36:18 2021 No.17537099 >>17536917 Why are you shitting on Sanderson?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:36:55 2021 No.17537104 >>17537087 Malazan has some quality unlike Bakker Bakker is the fat highschool fedora kid who quotes Nietzsche and tries to be edgy. When in reality there's nothing of substance there

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:37:38 2021 No.17537107 >>17537041 Zero effort bait.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:38:16 2021 No.17537113

>>17537054
The books just drops you into the thick of things and expect you to figure things out on your own. The prologue is, undeniably, the most confusing part. It's only on a reread, after you know what Kellhus is, that you'll be able to understand it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:38:27 2021 No.17537115 File: 271 KB, 800x533, 100_3669-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17537104 >bakker is high school philosophy tier post phd dissertation with references >oh wait he can't

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:39:33 2021 No.17537122 >>17537104 I’m building an aquarium, and I think I’ll use your post to filter the water.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:41:21 2021 No.17537132 >>17537107 Cope >>17537115 >H-he has a degree and that means his books are good and super smart! Yikes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:41:51 2021 No.17537138 >>17536917 Imagine seething this hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:42:04 2021 No.17537139 >>17537099 trying to pretend he's not the sandersoy

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:43:01 2021 No.17537147 >>17537132 I accept your surrender

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:43:15 2021 No.17537150 File: 85 KB, 1838x613, bakker reviews.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BAKKERCHADS ARE IN THE HOUSE TONGIIHT has anyone read the bequethal godsent? I have that and perdido street and cs lewis space trilogy on my shelf not sure what to read

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:43:51 2021 No.17537158
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What are some other books with neat titles that start out as fun encounters between quirky characters with a promising idea and then transform into autistic explanations of assembly lines and manufacturing so that I can avoid them

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:45:51 2021 No.17537176 >>17537041 >>17537051 >>17537071 >>17537075 >>17537087 >>17537107 >Samefagging this hard Bakkersoys know they can't enjoy their favorite books in peace, they have to hold the general hostage with their shitty tryhard memes

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:48:48 2021 No.17537196 >>17534183 false. need to read fall of hyperion. endymion/rise of endymion can be ignored safely

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:49:21 2021 No.17537202

>>17537139
Exactly my thoughts. It’s hilarious that he went from defending Sanderson to reading Bakker in a matter of weeks, until he realised he couldn’t. He’s now overmatched and shits on everyone, Sanderson included, so that people don’t humiliate him even more.

>inb4 rent free
Imagine spending almost 1k on Sandershit.

Also, why is it that only sandersoys seethe this hard at Bakkerposting? No on else cares that Bakker is spammed here. People still discuss other books freely. Malazan, BotNS. Even Game of Thrones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:50:39 2021 No.17537216 >>17537202 Show us where the "sandersoys" touched you

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:51:06 2021 No.17537222 >>17537176 >doesn’t even know about posting time-limits Oh no no no no

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:52:13 2021 No.17537229 >>17536917 Wait, when did the sandersoys make their own general?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:52:20 2021 No.17537232
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>>17537202
I enjoy Malazan, Dune, Wolfe, Tolkien of course, and yes, even Martin (the first three books of GoT only). I also read a wide array of other literature and post in many other threads. I just enjoy Bakkerposting because it's so entertaining and memeable. If you've read all the books and understand all the references, the Bakkerposting is purely delightful.

That doesn't mean I don't talk about other authors in this thread. Sanderson is genuinely and obviously a hack who writes YA anime schlock, however.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:53:16 2021 No.17537244 >>17537232 Truth Shines!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:54:32 2021 No.17537249 >I read with my ears What did the audiocuck mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:55:01 2021 No.17537255 File: 18 KB, 212x300, BrandonSanderson1_3576.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >heh, seems my superiority is causing quite the butthurt Call me when Bakkar's shit gets a TV show

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:56:31 2021 No.17537269 >>17537232 how far he has fallen.. he used to be on panels with the likes of grrm

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 15:59:16 2021 No.17537290

>>17537269
woke culture murdered our boy.

i believe he's been deeply depressed since around 2015 when the online battles with #wokefeminists really took off. unfortunately for bakker, he doubled down on his position rather than kowtowing to the maoists' demands.

it troubles me, proyas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:01:17 2021 No.17537307 >>17537290 >Schizos implying Bakkar is even relevant enough to get attacked by feminists What a sad little world you live in

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:01:23 2021 No.17537308 >>17537290 Bakker is low t. He should have gone full autism mode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:05:30 2021 No.17537344 >Esmenet had loved joking about cocks. She marvelled at the way men fussed over them, cursing, congratulating, beseeching, coaxing, commanding, even threatening them. BRAVO BAKKAR

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:08:56 2021 No.17537374 >>17537344 That passage was pretty good desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:11:26 2021 No.17537388 >>17537374 That's BakkAr Bro, don't bother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:18:24 2021 No.17537430 >>17537344 How does it make you feel that a whore is a more interesting character than anyone Sandersoy has written?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:19:16 2021 No.17537436 >>17537388 I’ve never read Bakker but ok. I don’t know why you’re seeing this hard about penis tho.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:27:01 2021 No.17537483

>>17534238
>>17534223
>>17534215
i think pre saidin rand would get dunyained, crazy rand would probably try to burn him on the spot and Lews!Rand would be about equal with kellhus since while saidin seems like it's alot stronger, kellhus is much more creative with what he has

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:33:55 2021 No.17537536

Since everyone is discussing Prince of Nothing, I have a question for those who read it
Do you feel that Bakker's battle scenes are very disappointing and underwhelming? He generally tries to do too much and fails. Like when all the Holy War is half starved to death and dying of disease, but then goes out of the city and defeats a much larger, non starved army. Just because they were "inspired"
Pretty cringe ngl

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:38:13 2021 No.17537567 >>17537536 From which darkness did this bait come from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:40:45 2021 No.17537589 >>17537536 yeah, the battles of kiyuth, mengedda, shimeh, cil-aujas, ten-yoke, irsulor, dagliash and golgotterath were like totally lame and boring, man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:44:10 2021 No.17537616 >>17537589 Not the guy you're responding to, but he has a point. It's not that they're boring but that he clumsily tries to make them "epic" and exciting but the end product is just nothing special. I'm a Bakker fan, tho I acknowledge his many flaws

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:50:53 2021 No.17537663 >>17537536 >but then goes out of the city and defeats a much larger, non starved army. Just because they were "inspired" that LITERALLY happened in real life

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:53:28 2021 No.17537680 >>17534639 >imagine reading a thread about books Big cope. Stop talking about Sanderson homo, nobody wants to hear it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:56:53 2021 No.17537702 >>17536723 Don't need to pay rent if you refuse to close the door on your very stupid house.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 16:57:04 2021 No.17537703 What are some good comfy fantasy books? I just want to read about charming and fun small adventures.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:00:13 2021 No.17537723

>>17537616
Not the guy you're replying to, but really Cil-Aujas was boring (but not really a battle, just a running holding action), and the final battle was a let down. There was no internal conflict, nothing to look at. All the descriptions of "so bashrag came out of nowhere and killed a bunch of guys then the ordealmen overcame them then they climbed over the next wall then more bashrag came out of nowhere then..." except using ten pages to write that...that was boring as shit. The only interesting parts of the final battle were whenever Kellhus shows up or does anything and...well, that's it I guess. It was just boring.
Compare to the novelty and strategy of Kiyuth, factions in Mengedda, the awesomeness of the metagnosis in Shimeh, the geometry of the sranc mass in Ten-Yoke, the infighting of Irsulor, the atomic bomb at Dagliash.
>>17537536
Filtered. I told you all last thread that we should have picked historical fiction. We wouldn't have cultureless tards like this guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:01:30 2021 No.17537728 >>17537536 1st crusade google it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:02:55 2021 No.17537739 >>17537680 Does it trouble you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:05:35 2021 No.17537764 >>17537703 earthsea

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:07:11 2021 No.17537774 >>17537680 >triggered by Sanderson Not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:07:40 2021 No.17537778 File: 489 KB, 1650x2550, 2m2rate729h61.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who else is hyped! I know I am, the first book was amazing

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:11:58 2021 No.17537818 >>17537764 Read those years ago and really enjoyed them, but thanks for reminding me that I should do a reread some day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:21:14 2021 No.17537896 >>17534820 >other anons told me that the author really did base his book on a D&D campaign. Actually it was GURPS, but you got the point. >what would YOU consider a good read? Terry Pratchett? He's pretty fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:23:58 2021 No.17537918 >>17537778 >nigger on the cover I think not

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:27:44 2021 No.17537953 >>17537918 rude

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:28:50 2021 No.17537964 >>17537778 Looks like some shitty romance novel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:30:38 2021 No.17537983 Anyone read the Long Price Quartet? Is it worth a try?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:37:25 2021 No.17538058 [SPOILER]

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>>17537202
>this whole fiction
How obsessed do you have to be to come up with this weird cope? Whatever happened to there being "more than one sandersoy" and this not being a personal little dance you have with me to feel better about yourself? :^) A few points of order:
I read Bakker way before I read Sanderson. I still don't have a problem with Bakkerposting, I generally ignore it. Which means all those people calling you shit and saying your book sucks literally aren't me. You also seem more upset than anybody about how much I might've spent on cosmere books, which is somewhat pathetic. I also don't care if people discuss Sanderson, but I stand by my perpetual critique that obsessively crying about how much he sucks and you hate him is pointless circlejerking, not discussion, and I would rather you and yours stop crying and projecting and just talk about books you enjoy instead ;^*
>still not understanding how "rent free" works
The saddest bit of all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:37:58 2021 No.17538064 >>17537703 Bartimaeus. It's technically YA but not autism, and stands the test of age.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:39:21 2021 No.17538074 >>17538064 >perpetual citations >not autism It's a great series, but don't lie to the guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:41:24 2021 No.17538092 I got The Knight bros

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:42:40 2021 No.17538106 File: 223 KB, 800x1100, 1606565655078.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is how I imagined younger Proyas in TDTCB

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:44:57 2021 No.17538132 >>17538074 If it was useless author citations I'd agree with you, but it's character citations that develop the character and the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:47:11 2021 No.17538153 >>17538058 That’s pretty pathetic desu.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:51:27 2021 No.17538189
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>>17538058
God that is one ugly ass book. Say what you will about Sanderson, but the original cover for WoK is great and evokes that comfy classic fantasy feel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:53:16 2021 No.17538210 >>17538064 Thank you for the recommendation, but I read it already. Good series. Stuff like this or Earthsea or, say, The Hobbit is what I'm looking for, if anybody has more suggestions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:54:12 2021 No.17538220 >>17534784 the bards song

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:56:00 2021 No.17538240 >>17538210 Sabriel /Abhorsen series by Nix. Pretty dark for YA, but nonetheless quite cozy and fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:57:02 2021 No.17538253 >>17538058 >tfw no leather bound, gold embossed collection of bakker’s books

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 17:57:07 2021 No.17538255 >>17534784 When Sorrow Sang, because I love the story of Beren and Luthien and the song has a lot of raw emotion and heaviness to it which portrays the character and his situation very well. I love the beginning of the song especially, so intense.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:03:02 2021 No.17538313

I finally got around to reading the other two books of main Ringworld trilogy.

So, we start with some hard-ish sci-fi based around a megastructure and hominids filling numerous ecological niches. Okay, accepted.

I'm halfway through Ringworld Throne (book three) and the whole fucking thing has been about a ragtag bunch of underdogs trying to kill a bunch of "vampires" which are a post-sentient species whose main predatory adaptation is sex pheromones that make all other hominids want to fuck uncontrollably.

Not even Heinlein ever got this far down the rabbit hole into his own magical realm.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:04:40 2021 No.17538329 File: 377 KB, 500x290, bat walking.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is Soldier of Arete better than Soldier in the Mist? It wasn't bad, but I have stuff in my backlog I think I'd prefer to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:06:34 2021 No.17538343 >>17533105 he's canadian

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:07:00 2021 No.17538348 >>17538240 Cozy and fun is what I'm looking for, and I don't mind if it's YA as long as it's the post-Harry Potter type and not the post-Twilight type. This seems to be the former considering when it was published, so I'll check it out. Thanks anon!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:08:56 2021 No.17538360 >>17533895 depression and suicide

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:12:12 2021 No.17538394 >>17534448 Literally anything written before 2008? Unless Left Hand of Darkness is too genderqueer for you. >>17534544 Robert Jordan died too late. Seveneves is Stephenson's worst book though, so good call.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:13:59 2021 No.17538406 >>17537896 >Actually it was GURPS Ah, right. I'll try to remember that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:19:48 2021 No.17538457 >>17538153 Inorite?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:20:58 2021 No.17538475 >>17538348 Pretty sure Nix predates Rowling. Shits on her entire bibliography as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:24:59 2021 No.17538510 >>17537616 why do american bug faggots who can't get into cool shit always accuse the authors of failing them... maybe you're just a dopamine fried brainlet

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:26:10 2021 No.17538525
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howdy gang. had a very cool dream a few months back about seeing a fantasy series with a setting that is essentially "conquistadors go to a new world to kill monsters but end up killing natives too".

its an interesting premise to me, i want to bring it into reality, and i would be interested if there was any fantasy novels yall know with this setting. ive only found the d&d "Maztica" series so far, which isnt super interesting because its a 1:1 to the spanish conquering the aztecs, which really doesnt add too much or give any, like, new perspectives or thought. any reccomendations yall got for stuff around that premise would be appreciated! or you can call me a fag or whatever too, whatever makes you happy. thankies

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:28:50 2021 No.17538550 >>17538058 We Reddit now

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:37:17 2021 No.17538633

>>17538475
I don't know Nix and haven't cared about Rowling's writing since middle school, I'm just referring to the label YA. That only really took off thanks to publishers trying to cash in on Harry Potter's success, wether you liked the series or not. Sure there was kid- and teen friendly fantasy before then, but nobody cared about "YA", so personally I just automatically associate the term YA with post-HP book publishing or rebranding of existing series. But that's besides the point.
Looking up the Abhorsen series reminded me that it's been recommended to me before, so it's about time I read it. Looking forward to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:40:53 2021 No.17538664 File: 274 KB, 776x638, the-mccaffrey-pern-books.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone read this series? How is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:43:47 2021 No.17538686 >>17532906 Any Lusophone anons know of good sffg books that are in Portuguese? Ideally they'd be fit for a high beginner, but if they are more advanced that's fine, I'll get to it later.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:49:07 2021 No.17538732

>>17538475
>>17538633
To clarify my point, the stuff that's branded "YA" like Harry Potter is YA has some good books. It's basically anything as long as it's also appropriate for younger readers. The more recent type of book that's following the Twilight/Hunger Games/John Green romance novel trends I avoid like the plague, and that shit is what's generally considered YA nowadays. That's why I try to make that distinction any time something I don't know gets called "YA". To see if I should even consider it in the first place. Sorry for my autism, will shut up now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:50:19 2021 No.17538747 >>17538550 >/r/BakkerMemes

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:52:05 2021 No.17538765

>>17536993
You're probably the faggot copypasting double spaced full pages from the book, so fuck you for making me scroll past that shit.
>>17537071
Filtered how? I re-read The Second Apocalypse and I'm currently reading TUC.
You're so absorbed in your poser shit you think your shitposting and the Bakkertard's are one and the same with the writing on the books.
I don't want to read that shit because you have literally nothing of interest to say. You're always posting the same bullshit, sometimes riddled with spoilers. Fucking retard.
>>17537099
Because he sucks.
>>17537139
Imagine praising and shilling a "heavily philosophy themed" book series only to fall into retarded false dichotomies. You are a fucking disgrace.
>>17537202
Who the fuck do you think I am? I read one Mistborn book ages ago and The Way of Kings in 2014 and I found both terrible. I've already shat on him, but unlike you, you obsessed faggot, I have better impulse control and don't act on the urge of posting everything he's brought up, you infantile clown.
>>17537229
There's always some random Sanderson thread because retarded tourists read he's the best and ask if they should read it. They also had a couple generals when Rhythm of War released.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 18:58:47 2021 No.17538823 >>17538664 holy shit, that’s a lot of books. i see these often in free book piles. they look pretty crap and generic, but i haven’t read them.... if someone has, let us know, please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:01:19 2021 No.17538840 >>17538765 I accept your surrender

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:04:43 2021 No.17538869 >>17538840 >being the surrender autist Unironically more embarrassing than the post you're responding to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:08:38 2021 No.17538908 >>17538823 I'm pretty sure there are four or five more books in the series too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:10:37 2021 No.17538919 >>17538869 Seethe

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:12:40 2021 No.17538937 >>17534127 bakkerspam. never read his books and wont now that theyve ruined the thread. sage and move on, its a dead end place now

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:13:06 2021 No.17538940 >>17537087 I liked Gardens of the Moon, but stopped after Chain of Dogs

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:14:38 2021 No.17538954

>>17538664
>>17538823
The setting is post-apocalyptic in the sense that humans are alien colonists who forgot technology because of a space disease "Thread" that melts organic material every 250 years. The only thing that humans have to protect themselves is the dragons and the small number of people who can ride them.

There's time travel, teleportation, magic destiny, "dead world" type discovery, social and political intrigue, etc. It's a mixed bag similar to a lot of classic sci-fi.

Also the hero is a huge misogynist and ole Anne probably had some submission/humiliation fetishes based on how she wrote romantic relationships.

Obviously the series is of mixed quality due to size if nothing else, but the first three books are a fun time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:18:47 2021 No.17538981 >>17538954 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:19:32 2021 No.17538993 What /sffg/ books have the best, most devious scheming, intrigues, etc.?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:22:07 2021 No.17539022

just downloaded the epub of the darkness that comes before. if this book is bad I will never forgive you and I will come back and ruin every single thread by a posting of my gaping hairy asshole and hunt down OP until i find him and make him eat my shit while i film it and put it on this thread a coupe days later to remind you all how fucking god damn serious i take recs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:34:40 2021 No.17539119 >>17539022 go get em tiger

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 19:55:56 2021 No.17539300 >>17538525 I encourage you to read the no-shit primary sources about it, it's extremely cool stuff and has personally inspired me to write in the past. Start with Bernaz Diaz del Castillo and Bartolome de las Casas.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:01:58 2021 No.17539339

>>17538210
Immediately after Bartimaeus I think of The Seventh Tower series, coincidentally written by Nix, which that other Anon recommended as an author. Probably check out his whole bibliography.
Chronicles of Prydain is pretty great.
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn was cozy and wholesome at time, dark and hopeless at others. No crazy GRI in it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:29:04 2021 No.17539514

>>17538189
Probably because it's an actual artwork instead of
>textured icons with abstract colour swirls
>photoshopped picture of a real person
Christ, I miss actual SFF book covers. Even the shittiest stuff from back in the day was better than what we have now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:30:33 2021 No.17539524 >>17539339 >Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn was cozy and wholesome at time, dark and hopeless at others. No crazy GRI in it. I thought it had NTR

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:35:48 2021 No.17539550 Any urban fantasy recs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:36:38 2021 No.17539555 >>17539524 What's NTR?

Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:39:14 2021 No.17539570

>>17533381
Mark Lawrence. Was hooked after Prince of fools and the broken empire trilogy, couldn't stop reading his books even after the holy sister trilogy for the same reason you can't look away from a car accident. It's depressing how shit his writing has got.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:42:36 2021 No.17539592 >>17533895 Not really a "theme" but a I want to see regular men whose job it is to take down godlike mages. Basically the boys but fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:53:11 2021 No.17539644 >>17539555 Cuckolding in anime speak

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 20:59:16 2021 No.17539677 >>17539592 What's a good series that has this aside from Malazan?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:11:05 2021 No.17539765 >>17539644 Ahh. Well I did say it was dark and hopeless at times, so what's the problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:54:37 2021 No.17540050 dubs and i start writing today

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:55:59 2021 No.17540063 >>17540050 Thank God

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:56:57 2021 No.17540068 >>17540050 >roll i’m gonna wrrriiiittttteeee

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:58:13 2021 No.17540077 >>17540050 I will never write.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 21:59:16 2021 No.17540087 >>17540077 well fuck...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 22:00:59 2021 No.17540102 >>17540077 >dubs^2 now you have to

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 22:12:11 2021 No.17540190 >>17539677 >>17539592 I know the Black Company kind of does this, but it's not really the focus and even when it is done it's not very impressive, more like "let's use our anti-mage mage to out mage thier mage".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 22:14:00 2021 No.17540204 >>17540102 Mathematically sound reasoning friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 13 22:50:21 2021 No.17540446 >>17540440 New thread! >>17540440 New thread! >>17540440 New thread!

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