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What normies think is their masterpiece vs their actual masterpiece. Ill start

>> No.17529073

>>17528935
I've read GR once and IV twice (and at different stages of my life too) and I disagree. I'd understand if you were going for a GR vs M&D or GR vs AtD, but not IV, no.

IV is fun and easy-going and has some great scenes, but it doesn't hit GR's highs (or it's lows, really)

>> No.17529194

>>17528935
Bleeding Edge is actually his best book.
It's not even close.

>> No.17529221

>>17529194
go eat rice pudding bookchemist

>> No.17529253

>>17528935
IV is about the least pynchon-y pynchon book.

>> No.17529294

>what normies think: All Along the Watchtower
>what Dylan thought was his masterpiece (when he was in his 20s lol): Desolation Row
>real masterpiece: Tangled Up in Blue

>> No.17529303

>>17528935
inherent vice was a very successful film, do you actually think it's some anti-normie masterpiece?

>> No.17529308

>>17529294
based nobel prize winning literature
tommy could never

>> No.17529318

>>17529073
>>17529194
If you really wanted to know, his best work is Catcher in the Rye

>> No.17529349

>>17529294
Unbelievably based. Most of Dylan’s lauded mid 60s songs are just beatnik nonsense. BotT is incredible, Tangled up in Blue is a whole life’s story in less than 5 minutes.

>> No.17529512

IV is fun but has many high and low points imo

>> No.17529554
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17529554

I'll start out the thread.
>what normies think
Infinite Jest.
>actual "masterpiece"
Pale King.

>> No.17529568

>>17528935
No

>> No.17529599

>>17529294
real masterpiece is Man in the Long Blackcoat

>> No.17529811

>>17529554
I want to read pale king but it wasn't finished, right?

>> No.17529839

>>17529811
Right, but there’s enough there to get a feel for what DFW was going for

>> No.17529847

>>17529811
right, but it's quite good.
If /lit/'s consensus hasn't changed in the past 3 years, then it holds Pale King as better than IJ.
If you like DFW in general, definitely go for it.

>> No.17529926

>>17529839
>>17529847
I'm just worried about disappointment like I had when I got to part 2 of dead souls
>If you like DFW in general
never read him, I'm mildly curious but don't want to fall for the infinite jest meme

>> No.17529938

>>17529294
His real masterpiece is the NYC Session of Idiot Wind

>> No.17529951

Absalom, Absalom! vs. Go Down, Moses

>> No.17529962

>>17529926
nigger, meme, at least in the sense of the meme trilogy, doesn't mean bad.
It's a meme, but can be subjectively very enjoyable.
Just read some of his short stories, they are quite short.

>> No.17530101

>>17528935
>normies think gravity's rainbow is the master piece
dumb they made a movie with inherent vice nobody reads GR

>> No.17530211

>>17529951
Go Down, Moses is great but not better than any of Faulkner's three masterpieces

>> No.17530358

>>17530211
sound and fury, as I lay dying, ...?

>> No.17530423

>>17530358
Absalom

>> No.17530447

>>17530423
, ...?
still waiting....

>> No.17530479

>>17530358
>>17530447
Light in August, bitch.

>> No.17530518

>>17528935
GR is the masterpiece IV is one of his worst, you only think it’s good because you’re a tourist from /tv/

>> No.17530575

>>17530479
thanks anon. you're the hero I was waiting for

>> No.17530648

Don Quixote Part 1 vs Part 2

>> No.17530666

>Dostoyevsky: The Brothers Karamazov vs Demons... Demons is almost a masterpiece
>>17528935
I have not read IV but it would be hard to beat GR or M&D

>> No.17530678

>>17530479
>>17530575
No. Not on the same level. Also great. About the same level as GDM

>> No.17530704

>>17530678
I just wanted you to say absalom twice here
>>17530423
>>17530447

>> No.17530710

>>17530518
I think, peeling back the surface, IV is one of his richest, most layered novels, at least of his "lite" works. As his career went on Pynchon just got better at laying his ideas into more traditional storytelling, so a person could very well enjoy IV on a purely plot-level basis but go deeper to the extent that they are capable as opposed to a work like M&D or GR where though they are greater books, the very language is a barrier to entry.

>> No.17530734

>>17530710
not anon but that makes a lot of sense

>> No.17530919

>>17530648
Both have their merits. Reading the second part felt like a fun goofy sequel from the start that paid off

>> No.17530932

>>17530518
Filtered

>> No.17531006

>>17529294
Early one morning the sun was shining
I was laying in bed

>> No.17531014

>>17530710
>where though they are greater books, the very language is a barrier to entry
Lol this is exactly the type of normie shit Im talking about

>> No.17531132

>>17529221
lmao did he actually say that?

>> No.17531144
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17531144

>>17529308
I think the only reason he hasn't won is because he wouldn't show up

>> No.17531164

>>17529839
DFW was a hack dude

>> No.17531866

>>17531144
He won't win because yuros actually don't care for him. Not everybody shares the opinion of a random imageboard or harold bloom.

>> No.17531876

>>17531866
he's unironically too hard to read to win the nobel

>> No.17531918

>>17528935
Suttree > Blood Meridian

>> No.17531920

>>17531876
Lol. Only GR and it's difficulty is extremely overstated. They gave it to Faulkner ffs.

>> No.17531939

Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not vs. Tranquility Base Hotel + Casino

>> No.17531942

>>17530710
>Language is a barrier to entry
GR's language is no more tough than IV. It's the narrative jumping and chronology that fucks people up.

>> No.17531949

>>17531918
The Crossing > Suttree > Blood Meridian

>> No.17531956

>>17529294
The real masterpiece is obviously "sooOOOONER or laYYYYYTer wwwUUUUNN of us must knooOOOOW"

>> No.17531958

>>17530101
Normies didn't see the movie either desu.

>> No.17531964

>>17531164
More like a pleb filter that hacked you to pieces with his million claws sentences and shat you out an angry faggot

>> No.17531972

Doesn't quite match the thread, but Bruno Schulz is a better Kafka than Kafka.

>> No.17531973

>>17531964
This

>> No.17531988

Slaughterhouse Five/Cat's Cradle vs. Mother Night/Bluebeard

>> No.17531990

>>17531920
>Lol
read the last decade of winners and compare
>hey gave it to Faulkner ffs.
ah yes, 1950, very present tense

>> No.17532002

>>17530678
Light in the August is unironically his best prose work.

>> No.17532009

>what normies think
Call of the Crocodile
>actual "masterpiece"
Call of the Arcade

>> No.17532028

>>17531988
Cat's Cradle > Slaughterhouse-Five/Mother Night

They're great books but only blew up because there aren't many light hearted books about WWII

>> No.17532035

>>17531990
>1950
Truth be told the committee's habits haven't changed much. They had their fair share of wtf picks even back in the day, only it's easier now to digest in hindsight. Ashbery was a serious contender at one point, hard to find a more obtuse poet.

>> No.17532040

Hemingway's best novel is To Have and Have Not

>> No.17532051

>>17532002
This but ironically

>> No.17532057

>>17532035
if you have to resort to rumors about who was close to winning for a recent counterexample it would seem to support my point but whatever

>> No.17532062

>>17532040
What's good about it? I couldnt finish it. The first bit was acceptable hemingway, but from page 40-50ish to page 130 it felt like self parody

>> No.17532094

>>17532057
>Rumors
You have never been in a Nobel thread, have you? Some rumors they are when people were putting money (betting, not a metaphor) on him for 3 fucking decades.

>> No.17532104

>>17532094
This is lower than cope. This is corncobbed homo cope

>> No.17532109

>>17532062
It shows the length a man should go to help his family, and how to stay true to values through tribulation. Harry Morgan is also one of Hemingway's best characters.

>> No.17532111

>>17532094
>You have never been in a Nobel thread, have you?
I have
>Some rumors they are etc.
well, yes

>> No.17532165

>>17532109
I might give it another shot. Its just not compelling to me. The sun rises more in the future is better, the niggaz for whom bells be tolling is better and is probably his novel masterpiece, saying goodbye to your arms is better, the elderly pedo jesus nigga who's so useless he couldn't catch a stupid fish for quite a long amount of clock ticks in fact exceeding amounts of clockticks and when he did it got fucking eaten so he couldn't show his dipshit cuban buddies how cool he is and thus gets reduced to dreaming about lions he obvs isn't anymore is better, even on the other side of the moving water and over the band and between the brown trunks and under the blue sky under the green is better.

>> No.17532221

>>17532104
What cope? Are you retarded?

>> No.17532224

>>17532221
Your just making my point for me faggot try responding with a real argument

>> No.17532234

>>17532224
So you are retarded.

>> No.17532252

>>17532234
Yawn. Midwits aren't worth my time, and obvs this discussion isn't worth yours. Stupid dipshits like you'd rather throw ad hominems and won't engage in reasonable discussion because there's no discussion to be had. Your so wrong you cant actually believe what your saying.

>> No.17532268

>>17532252
Looks like I hurt you, kek. What's the matter, got your butt hurt at the name calling? newfag.
Cope and seethe.

>> No.17532279

>>17532268
I have no time for ad hominem throwing, corpsefucking arseticulators and the way your responding is proving your a naive midwit.

>> No.17532312

>>17532111
Your point assumes that writers like Faulkner winning in the 50s was the norm back then, which is untrue. You can check the winners from the 60s, 70s and even 80s; with the exception of Beckett, they are not much different from the winners from the past decade. Anyway, my only disagreement is with the claim that writers are excluded from consideration because they are too hard (which Pynchon isn't anyway). As far as rumors go, they are based on the info from the committee libray, which the committee may well be doing itself because it's their best source of publicity. The betting odds affirm it as well.

>> No.17532348

>>17532279
What argument, you retard? What real discussion, you retarded fuck?! This is your (((discussion))):
>This is lower than cope, this is corncobbed cope
What argument can I give that your rotten Ape brain will possibly be able to parse? Let's stop, your are too retarded for me; and supernaturally butthurt too.
not a good combination.

>> No.17532350

>>17532312
>excluded from consideration
I never said that

>> No.17532381

>>17532350
Alright then.

>> No.17533261

>>17532002
I do not agree, but I still think it’s great. Very good ending

>> No.17533695

>>17532009
This

>> No.17535047

Ulysses and Finnegans Wake is the obvious one, but after reading Ulysses and starting the Wake I'm surprised people found it "impossibly" difficult. It's basically level 2.

>> No.17535212

>>17532040
What the fuck? No way. The Sun Also Rises, A Moveable Feast and The Garden of Eden are his Top 3.

>> No.17535258

>>17529194
Lmao nice bait

>> No.17535503

>>17531964
Nah, his prose is uninspired

>> No.17535512

>>17529294
weird wat to spell Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands

>> No.17535517

>>17535503
That means nothing.

>> No.17535534

>>17535517
Well when you're writing prose...

>> No.17535928

>>17531132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsQy8o5wAMM