/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17496575]

>being forced to discuss philosophy with women via zoom so that I can get my expensive piece of paper

[Anonymous No.17496620]

>>17496575
yeah, I understand stuttering like a retard all day must be really stressful for you and your superiority complex.

[Anonymous No.17496624]

>>17496575
>getting a piece of paper to prove you can write about philosophy when prompted
Should have gone with the Math degree anon.

[Anonymous No.17496634]

>women on literally any seminar topic
"ooh yeah I don't really know what those texts were all about haha"
I have ended up the only male in a few discussion groups in zoom and it's just comical that they never shut the fuck up because I could barely get a word in.

[Anonymous No.17496666]

>>17496575
>being forced to flirt with the lasses and discuss the varities of tea when we get split into private zoom rooms so I can get my 100% subsidised piece of paper
Living the dream
>>17496634
Sounds like you need to be more confident buckaroo

[Anonymous No.17496824]

>>17496666

[Anonymous No.17496831]

>>17496634
You are a man, all you have to do is talk and the women will shut up and listen

[Anonymous No.17496867]

>in college as mature student (am 25)
>philosophy lecturer is female
>spends an inordinate amount of time in the lectures talking about female philosophers and female contribution to philosophy
>only recommends secondary literature written by women
>political science lecturer is female
>spends an inordinate amount of time talking about feminism and women's political representation and the gender pay gap and other nonsense
>other political science lecturer is male but an unironic vegan marxist
>shoves his marxist ideology in to the lecture at every opportunity and only offers marxist interpretations of politics and history
Get me out of this hell

[Anonymous No.17496880]

>>17496867
What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.17496902]

>>17496867
Try and seduce and change one of 'em anon. You can do it!

[Anonymous No.17496925]

>>17496880
It's pretty much exactly what I expected
>>17496902
Everything is online now so I don't have any interaction with people in the class, but I've done that a few times before over the years, the average normie has no idea why they actually hold any of their beliefs and so it's quite easy to make them think whatever you want once you expose them to some critical reasoning.

[Anonymous No.17496931]

>>17496620
too real

[Anonymous No.17496943]

>>17496925
Very true anon, I agree there. Though I wouldn't say that your professors are normies, so it may take more work, that is if you're willing to try and change them. I mean, they wield a large amounts of influence over the next generation.

[Anonymous No.17496954]

>>17496943
I didn't mean my professors, I'd probably be shot down very quickly. Just my classmates. if I ever get to talk to any of them in person.

[Anonymous No.17496987]

>>17496575
I mute the sound everytime a woman speaks up

[Anonymous No.17497549]

>>17496987
i made a program that automatically shuts it down when somebody high pitch speaks, woman or soiman

[Anonymous No.17497576]

>>17496867
>Philosophy
>College
Yes, paypig. Pay your professors for their opinions on books that are free. KNEEL.

[Anonymous No.17497972]

Has college convinced anyone else that women are incapable of being serious? Do you ever just get hit in the face by how bad an idea it was to mingle men and women in society and pretend we're all the same? Women don't care about anything whatsoever. Everything they do is tinged with the same unseriousness, the unseriousness of knowing that their ultimate goal is getting a husband down the line and jumping ship on whatever it is they're doing.

I can't believe it. When I see women in my classes I feel the same way I would feel if I woke up in an alternate reality where we let children vote. I would be like what the fuck, you can't just let an 8 year old vote, he doesn't even know what he's voting for. And everyone would say uhhh wow that's very antichildist of you? No!! He's 8!!! He's not fucking capable!!!!

[Anonymous No.17498521]

>>17497972
Sounds like you ain't got to know enough women. I'm in a course of 90% women, and it shows in the lack of academic rigour, but most of them are good people with their own interesting passions and lives. It's just that what they'll discuss on a surface level is bound to appeal to normies, dig a lil deeper, eh?

[Anonymous No.17498531]

>>17498521
I’ve only met a few women with tire academic drive or passion. Most smart ones are chasing status

[Anonymous No.17498589]

>>17498521
I’ve only met a few women with tire academic drive or passion. Most smart ones are chasing status

[Anonymous No.17498604]

>>17496867
Are there any good female philosophers?

[I hate women No.17498644]

>>17496831
based

[I hate women No.17498670]

>>17497972
Unbelievably based

[Anonymous No.17498672]

>>17497972
I don't get this, maybe you're all 50 years old or something and there's a generational difference but I would say the exact opposite is true in my experience most of the time. Most girls I've met have been far more serious about their studies than most the guys I've met.

[Anonymous No.17498836]

>>17498672
This. Women have made academia the schoolmarm social justice hierarchic bureaucracy playground for themselves, and they thrive in it. Men hate it and either don't enroll or drop out at unprecedented rates.

[Anonymous No.17498845]

>>17498836
I wouldn't say that's necessarily the reason, I think it has to do with a abandonment of young boys in general, but most men are disaffected and can't handle the modern school environment as well as women do on average yes.

[Anonymous No.17498849]

>>17496666
Based fellow European.

Free degrees are sick

[Anonymous No.17498853]

>>17498604
No.

[Anonymous No.17498864]

>>17496575
>>17496634
>>17496867
>>17496987
>>17497972
incels

[Anonymous No.17498867]

>>17498864
I get my bussy smashed by your dad ;3

[Anonymous No.17498879]

>>17496575
>"higher education"

[Anonymous No.17498992]

>>17498531
Most smart people chase status, regardless of their genitals.

[Anonymous No.17499396]

>>17496575
Just get laid dipshit, it doesnt even matter.

[Anonymous No.17499619]

>>17496867
Should have picked a non-Mickey Mouse degree

[Anonymous No.17499680]

>>17496575
>being forced to discuss philosophy with women via zoom so that I can get my expensive piece of paper
>being
>being
That was your first mistake.

[Anonymous No.17499815]

>>17497972
Women feel the same way about men. It’s true

[Anonymous No.17499910]

>>17499815
Yet men dominate every sphere of human activity. Name one decent woman at anything, and you can name 5000 genius level men in it. The bell curve for women lumps in the middle, women are more mediocre than men.

[Anonymous No.17500098]

>tfw realise even most people who study philosophy get filtered by it, treat it as factoids to learn and don't really get it

[Anonymous No.17500129]

>>17496634
Just dominate the entire discussion and spout off some bullshit.
It's what I do, and it's worked so far.

[Anonymous No.17500147]

>>17497972
Quite.
I'm supposed to be doing a 'presentation' with a partner.
I've been trying to get this girl onto a zoom call for a week now so I can get her to do her part of the damn thing so we both don't get failed.

[Anonymous No.17500154]

>>17498672
In school yes, in university not so much.

[Anonymous No.17500164]

>>17496620
I'll have you know that it is

[Anonymous No.17500172]

>>17500129
Yeah, I have a literature class and I do all the talking despite being an awkawrd loser because everybody else is either lazy or retarded

[Anonymous No.17500191]

At least they are better than the JBP fanboys that infest every first and second year undergraduate philosophy course. That is of course before they inevitably get weeded out.

[Anonymous No.17500194]

>>17500172
The best part is there's usually a class document we have to fill out, so I just sit there doing shots and talking nonsense whilst some woman tries to interpret what I say and write it on the google document.
But yeah, most people are lazy or retarded.

[Anonymous No.17500291]

>>17496624
>have to spend 12 hours a day working through tedious proofs so I can get hired to spend 14 hours a day editing excel documents as an analyst only for Mr. Goldstein's nephew to get promoted ahead of me
It's not much greener over here, friend.

[Anonymous No.17500324]

>>17497972
Dunno about that. Fellow female students in my department (I study philosophy) are pretty much all terrible. Some of ny female professors are instead downright inspiring. It seems to me that for women there are no middle grounds.

That said, male students are usually worse. Not only they're as stupid as female ones, but they're also way more confident than them, which makes it for a more annoying experience.

[Anonymous No.17500335]

I aced a number of core English and Philosophy courses by writing semiotic pomo skepticism regarding what things really meant outside of images, though it would be years before I read any indepth skepticism or pomo. It was pure osmosis. Other people struggled with these classes and were mad about getting poor grades on core courses outside their majors. Imagine not being able to crank out bs for 1000 level undergrad.

[Anonymous No.17500350]

>>17500098
INFORNOGRAPHY

[Anonymous No.17500383]

>>17500350
Great episode of Lain

[Anonymous No.17500386]

>>17500335
I am currently attempting to graduate magna cum laude in my history degree without ever reading any of the material or even the sources I cite. It's going acceptably well atm.

[Anonymous No.17500428]

>>17497972
>he unseriousness of knowing that their ultimate goal is getting a husband down the line and jumping ship on whatever it is they're doing.
I've had females tell me that the only reason they're in college is to get their MRS degree.
It isn't a meme.
Tolstoy wrote about this. Women aren't capable of sentience or true feeling, they just mimic whatever men do and produce substandard versions of it.

[Anonymous No.17500438]

>>17500386
I have done less than 1/2 of the lectures and almost no reading for my ancient history undergrad.
Currently on course for a 2:1 or a low 1st.

[Anonymous No.17500442]

>>17500098
Be the change motherfucker

[Anonymous No.17500475]

What world are you living in where the men in your classes take academic/intellectual work really seriously? I find women actually do the reading, and at least try to process the material, whereas men are more likely to quote something irrelevant and spout their own random opinions

>t. yale student

[Anonymous No.17500476]

>>17496575
> Be reading 'The Odyssey' for college
> Professor spends half an hour rattling on about Ancient Greece must have been as 'multicultural' as contemporary America, because there's a black character mentioned near the poem's end.
It's all so tiresome.

[Anonymous No.17500480]

>>17500438
Based. I hate myself for doing this and it feels like self-harm of some sort, but I can't help myself. If I can get away without doing the work, then I do just that.

[Anonymous No.17500491]

>>17500428
What happens if the men are already doing the mimicry? Can't really blame women for bringing down standards men lowered themselves.

[Anonymous No.17500498]

>>17500480
based as fuck, I'm also doing an history undergrad in honours and i just end u reading for 5 hours per day because i'm scared I won't understand anything if I miss a reading

[Anonymous No.17500507]

>>17500350
>>17500383
hello lainons

[Anonymous No.17500509]

>>17500476
kek. its much easier to talk about pop political points instead of discussing rhetorical techniques and literary devices used

[Anonymous No.17500514]

>>17496987
Based.

[Anonymous No.17500518]

>>17500475
>whereas men are more likely to quote something irrelevant and spout their own random opinions
That's what I do as well, but I also do the reading, understand the reading AND understand the context/field. Are your seminars also a discussion between 2 students and the professor, anon? I attend a pretty shit school so I assumed the issue were my fellow students, but I've been hearing such stories from some friends who attend pretty good universities too.
>>17500476
>It's all so tiresome.
I study Ottoman history. You can't imagine what shit Ottoman "scholars" write. It's like they want the Ottoman empire to be this multicultural, progressive, tolerant paradise, but when they see obvious examples that demolish the entire narrative they present it as some sort of progressive miracle in its own right. For example, eunuch castrations as LGBTQ+ inclusion and acceptance, blahblahblah. Unironically feels like I'm attending a university in Orwell's Oceania.

[Anonymous No.17500521]

>>17500386
>>17500438
>>17500498
>history majors
switch to economics and read history in your free time

[Anonymous No.17500527]

>>17500498
You are my hero anon. I wish I was like you.

[Anonymous No.17500541]

>>17498521
If you dig any deeper, you'll fall through.

[Anonymous No.17500544]

>>17500480
I did an A level in Ancient History, it just using the knowledge and skills I was taught there I've been able to breeze through this year.
Source analysis is a fucking joke.
Except for Latin, I actually need to put effort into that. But even then the exams are open book so I can just spend a couple of hours extra and get 80%.
>If I can get away without doing the work, then I do just that
I highly agree, the uni system is a joke.
Why would I put effort in to get so little out?
Let me party, read what I want, let me shitpost, let me go to Church.
I'm not reading your liberal revisionism.

[Anonymous No.17500543]

>>17500521
What would be the point of that? I don't want to read neoliberal dogma. Studying history already offers you the chance to learn about all sorts of different economic models and time periods already. When I am particularly interested in something, I just get a book buy an economic historian like Tooze.

[Anonymous No.17500548]

I dont know how to explain it but it seems like most girls treat philosophy as an act of leisure; philosophy stops when they get bored with it or want to have fun doing something else.
They would never die for an ideology, an imperative a notion or a system.
It's essential to philosophy that it is not jsut an aspect of life but it is Everything of being. You lose that aspect and you are left with anglo "philosophy" which every female prof seems to flock to.

[Anonymous No.17500561]

>>17500548
What ideology would you die for?

[Anonymous No.17500563]

>>17500521
I'm going to get a 2:1 or a first, do further law for a year and get a law degree, work in part time training for a year.
Boom I'm a solicitor.

[Anonymous No.17500566]

>>17500548
Women would never die anything because the default state of the female brain is narcissism.
Historically the only thing they might consider dying for is to protect their children but in the modern age we observe the reversal of that where it's actually far more common for women to murder their own children.

[Anonymous No.17500567]

>>17500129
THIS t b h, if you aren't domineering the breakout rooms with your schizo deleuzian babble + asking QTs about their pets and stupid random shit WTF are you doing???

[Anonymous No.17500578]

>>17500544
>I highly agree, the uni system is a joke.
>Why would I put effort in to get so little out?
That's the issue for me as well. The problem is that I truly wish to put my efforts towards something and become a specialist, it's just that university is a joke, staffed and attended by retards. I can't respect it. If I can't respect it, I can't work for it. It's hell.

[Anonymous No.17500581]

>>17500548
Women wouldn't even die for their children kek

[Anonymous No.17500586]

>>17500561
one he believed in I should presume

[Anonymous No.17500588]

>>17500567
>schizo deleuzian babble + asking QTs about their pets and stupid random shit
this man knows how to live
keep getting invited to parties this way

[Anonymous No.17500592]

>>17500543
I mean do you have some sort of employment lined up for the history degree? Also the history you read is going to be neoliberal dogma anyway. Someone earlier was complaining about feminist analysis of the Ottoman empire. Econ isn't much better since it's still social science / humanities but a history degree is a harder sell.

[Anonymous No.17500602]

>>17500578
Just do the absolute minimum to get through for your piece of paper.
Enjoy yourself as much as you can, find a qt, and look for a better career.

[Anonymous No.17500616]

>>17496634
>ooh yeah I don't really know what those texts were all about haha
As a woman in college I do this every time in the break out groups (if I even speak at all) and I feel no shame about it.

[Anonymous No.17500621]

>>17500588
EZ mode brother, we have it made

[Anonymous No.17500626]

>>17500563
That's fair—if you are continuing education anyway then history gives some unique foundation

[Anonymous No.17500636]

>>17500548
>They would never die for an ideology, an imperative a notion or a system.
You are mistaken if you truly believe that. Women have always been known throughout history as extremely zealous and tribal. Think of Protestantism, things like the Temperance movement, Communism, etc. Even libs and feminists today fall under that category. Hell, the suffragettes would bomb churches for their beliefs. The peculiar thing about women isn't that they are unwilling to sacrifice, but rather that this sacrifice is always felt as a compulsion for them; it is an obsession and a possession. If they are not like the Christian saints, possessed by mysterious and divine ecstasies, they become possessed instead by more destructive, violent and dark impulses.
>>17500566
>Historically the only thing they might consider dying for is to protect their children
False, women have died for many different things in the past. In fact, I am coming to doubt their dedication to the children as I read. There are many cases where they are downright cruel to their kids in the name of either survival or obsession, especially so towards boys.

[Anonymous No.17500662]

>women are bad because they have no beliefs and won't die for anything
>women are bad because they are too zealous and will die for things (but in a bad way, unlike men)
It's all so tiring

[Anonymous No.17500669]

>>17500636
I have to wonder if the other poster didn't watch any footage from the last year of riots and protests. There were a lot of women risking bodily harm for ideas they picked up on social media. A striking amount even; they may have been the most female non-abortion related protests of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.17500670]

>>17500191
Is this true? Didn't think jbp boys would see philosophy as a worthwhile pursuit, considering Peterson tells them to go to trade school.

[Anonymous No.17500684]

>>17500626
I know a chap doing law who's mentor is really high up in the courts, as well as several solicitors.
It makes sense to get a meme but 'respected' degree before going into law to use my connections.
>>17500621
We have indeed.
Though in my case it's schizo catholic babble, but women can't tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.17500703]

>every college thread here makes it sound retarded and useless
>still get insulted for not going to college

[Anonymous No.17500711]

>>17500592
>I mean do you have some sort of employment lined up for the history degree?
Do you believe that an economics degree is any more employable than history? Both are meme degrees. You could definitely do an economics analytical job with a history degree from what I have been told.
>Also the history you read is going to be neoliberal dogma anyway.
This is kind of correct, but they still give you actual facts, especially if you are studying good subsections of history. I have also taken it as a challenge to subvert the postmodernist bullshit we study into something based as well. I have gained an appreciation for postmodernism as a tool, but I feel like I've made it my own at this point.
>Econ isn't much better since it's still social science / humanities but a history degree is a harder sell.
IDK, I can't think of any good reason to study econ, at least in my case. I hate maths. The only thing that makes it tolerable at all is when I am studying some bullshit like the industrial capacity of the interwar USA or whatever.
>>17500602
>Just do the absolute minimum to get through for your piece of paper.
>Enjoy yourself as much as you can, find a qt, and look for a better career.
>TFW given up on both family life and money
I just want to be comfy and maybe one day die for something that matters desu. Learning is fun too.
>>17500662
I am sorry anon, but regardless of who is correct, the universal truth is that women are bad. It's always been the case, but based patriarchy used to keep them in check uwu.

[Anonymous No.17500728]

>>17500129
>today, seminar on film music
>off-topic chit chat on companies who will supply virtual bookshelf backgrounds for online interviews for TV and such
>QT asks "what would your bookshelf be anon?"
>"oh, probably like 100 copies of 50 shades of gray"
>big laughs, decide to try the bit a little further
>"lol and then maybe one lone copy of Mein Kampf in there haha"
>fewer, more nervous laughs
>silent breakout room closes 30 seconds later

[Anonymous No.17500743]

>>17500703
>imagine caring
Like half of British kids go to college, it's not special or selective, it's a personal choice and it consists in blowing money you don't have over shit you couldn't care less to know taught by grifters that deserve only hatred.

[Anonymous No.17500746]

>>17500728
the laughter stopped because they had to start biting their lips to suppress their moans; trust me anon, I have experienced similar a lot myself.

[Anonymous No.17500747]

>>17500703
It is retarded and useless, you still need le ebin piece of paper to get anywhere unless you're exceptional or going into a trade.
>>17500711
>I just want to be comfy and maybe one day die for something that matters desu.
We're going into a period of extreme turmoil soon, I'm sure you'll find some worthy cause to die for.
As China expands, America contracts, and Europe crumbles there'll be factions aplenty to draw from.

[Anonymous No.17500771]

>>17500728
jej
Honestly mate it's no big deal.
I denied the holocaust, stated that I would vote for a fascist party, called someone a whore, and passed out at a party.
Got invited to another one the next day.
People really don't care as long as you're somewhat funny.

[Anonymous No.17500779]

>>17500662
Agreed, women is just whatever qualities these faggots want to rant against.

[Anonymous No.17500795]

>>17500728
The jokester sets the tone, anon. If laughter makes you want to react, your audience is setting the tone, not you. This means you'll make a faux pas sooner or later. IDK if you are normally witty or fun, but that 100 copies of 50 shades is genuinely funny, because it's both absurd and unexpected. Nazi jokes can also be fun for the same reason, but they need their own context and buildup; you can't just slap them on directly after a 50 shades joke. You should also consider that a lot of people feel like they are stepping on eggshells in university, so they may be more hard pressed to laugh at things like nazi jokes.

[Anonymous No.17500797]

>>17500684
>>17500684
> in my case it's schizo catholic babble, but women can't tell the difference.
BASADO
God Bless brother

[Anonymous No.17500815]

>>17500747
>We're going into a period of extreme turmoil soon, I'm sure you'll find some worthy cause to die for.
>As China expands, America contracts, and Europe crumbles there'll be factions aplenty to draw from.
My issue is that I have developed very articulate views over the last few years and I am not sure I will find a faction to match them. I suspect that radical liberals, neoliberals and probably some sort of military junta type bullshit will take off big time, but I don't find any of these compelling and I am not sure if any other type of movement will spring up.

[Anonymous No.17500823]

>>17496831
Clearly you have not had to deal with black women.

[Anonymous No.17500836]

>>17500795
Nah I owned it and delivered with confidence, I tend to joke quite a bit and am not completely autistic about it, just thought it was funny they couldn't handle the bantz

[Anonymous No.17500838]

>>17498604

Nel Noddings is alright for moral philosophy, but there are no good metaphysical female philosophers.

[Anonymous No.17500842]

>>17500711
>Do you believe that an economics degree is any more employable than history? Both are meme degrees. You could definitely do an economics analytical job with a history degree from what I have been told.
Econ gets the better starting salary in the aggregate and is the closest to history of any of the more business minded non-STEM stuff.

[Anonymous No.17500847]

>>17496867
And you're paying tens of thousands for this.

Imagine being such a cuckhold lmao

[Anonymous No.17500851]

>>17498604
MAYBE Hannah Arendt. More of a political writer than a philosopher actually

[Anonymous No.17500864]

>>17500518
It's gut wrenching, to be sure. I tried finding his lecture notes from today (he literally wrote two or so paragraphs on 'neo-nazism' to pair with the mention), but it doesn't look like it's publicly accessible. The coward.

[Anonymous No.17500866]

>>17500797
God bless you too!
>>17500815
I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of nativist/ paternal conservative faction to spring up in many nations.
There is certainly the impetus for it, if lacking in leadership currently.

[Anonymous No.17500873]

>>17500823
It'd work on them if you were a black man.

[Anonymous No.17500887]

>>17500873
took 107 posts but there we are

[Anonymous No.17500889]

>>17498604
G.E.M Anscombe

[Anonymous No.17500891]

>>17500866
>I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of nativist/ paternal conservative faction to spring up in many nations.
It has and was successfully steered into being a stress test for the system to harden itself against adversaries so predictably reactive they can be baited into creating theatrical assaults on democracy. Will be interesting to see if a more left leaning current comes next and is similarly baited into shooting itself in the foot.

[Anonymous No.17500901]

>>17500324
Males are usually confident enough to make an obvious mistake, that they can hopefully learn from

Almost every class I've taken has had quiet women who don't want to risk being wrong, and just coast along taking bad grades, not wanting to get better or actually learn. All do they can tick the class off their box, to get a degree they don't want but we're pressured into getting.

Gender dynamics are so fucked up in school

[Anonymous No.17500906]

>>17500728
>ethics and technology class, professor is philosophy bro though and loves rambling about whatever
>have to watch video of women discussing #metoo, a female journaæist afraid of being killed for going against the government etc
>discuss the similarities or ethical dilemmas of whistle blowing, whether it be metoo or expose corruption in government
>I don't give a fuck and am usually the one leading breakout room conversation
>decide to share a provocative observation and show my pseudness
>"It's interesting to me, how this #metoo scandal is actually showing the relationship between men and women to be complicated when it comes to working together. I mean, I could imagine some Imam use all the harassment scandals as an example of how we westerners pretend to be civilized, but our dirty men go around groping all the women. And then advocate for women wearing headscarves etc, to avoid tempting these men, and that Islam is a faith that values and protects their women, instead of sexually assaulting them like we do."
>6 females in room are completely silent
>the only other male student chimes in " uuuhhhhh, I don't feel confident enough in this to comment... "
>tell them it was an amusing observation and thought, nothing more
>room slowly starts talking about whistle blowing and continue as if I didn't say anything
>mfw still unsure if I am peak pseud, or if people just thought it was off topic

[Anonymous No.17500914]

>>17500836
Fair enough, I don't know you so I can't tell how your delivery must have gone.
>>17500842
That would be because more econ grads actually go into econ jobs than history majors. I imagine most history majors go into starbucks and mcdonalds instead. But a history major can work an econ job just as well.
>>17500864
With the mention of what? I feel like I am missing something.
>>17500866
>I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of nativist/ paternal conservative faction to spring up in many nations.
>There is certainly the impetus for it, if lacking in leadership currently.
There is a base for it, but most politicians seem to devote their exclusive attention to suppressing it, so idk how it'll work out. We will see.

[Anonymous No.17500915]

>>17500901
>Almost every class I've taken has had quiet women who don't want to risk being wrong, and just coast along taking bad grades
I do this but my grades are all As, only written assignments matter in most classes.

[Anonymous No.17500941]

>>17500906
based retard
They probably thought it was a tad strange, but I wouldn't worry all too much about it.
>>17500891
In America for sure, however the energy is still there.
They just need to throw off the neo-cons and blue liberals who pretend to be nativists in order to ruin any sort of movement.

[Anonymous No.17500951]

>>17500891
>Will be interesting to see if a more left leaning current comes next and is similarly baited into shooting itself in the foot.
They took the opposite approach with leftists and baited them into cooperating with establishment neoliberalism instead. The left went along with it, thinking that they could get what they wanted that way, but they got assimilated instead without any economic policy concessions.
>>17500906
Off topic and oddly specific. If you stopped at the first sentence it would have been better. On 4chan people can respond to the full argument, since comparison with Islam are common, but normies will just be really confused and slightly unnerved.

[Anonymous No.17500974]

>>17498604
Unironically yes there are a few, at least if by good you mean influential and relevant. Anscome, Annas, Foot (all Virtue Ethics and thereabout), Arendt (who I haven't read but is obviously super influential), etc

[Anonymous No.17500977]

>>17500906
It's an interesting 4chan post but normies aren't usually ready to engage with off the wall arguments.

[Anonymous No.17500984]

I'm going to study philosophy at a Catholic University and dab on everyone with my based non-dualism and fukt all the qts

[Anonymous No.17500995]

>>17500873
yeah, but Im white so I cant call women bitches without getting bitched at.

[Anonymous No.17501004]

>>17500941
>>17500951
Honestly I think its because I had consumed a lot of Zizek information in a short timeframe and my mind kept coming to political / ideological comparisons like that. I meant it in the sense that we face universal problems, but our solutions are different. It was probably very off topic though, and since then I have tried to be less of a "that guy always giving his totally unrelated opinions".

[Anonymous No.17501008]

>>17500995
You can if you dress like a rapper

[Anonymous No.17501023]

>>17500906
they weren't ready for ya knowledge anon

[Anonymous No.17501028]

>>17501004
>"that guy always giving his totally unrelated opinions".
probably for the best
You can gently steer the conversation towards that sort of thing, but making such a hairpin pivot probably unnerved your class mates.
And don't expect the women to follow along much, in my experience they'd much rather sit there and listen to the men talk.
They might put in a few points, but men carry the conversation.

[Anonymous No.17501031]

>>17500977
This is why we all return here at the end of the day.
Academia simple can't provide the indepth aberrant unique esoteric insightful discussions that 4channel.org/lit/catalog can offer.

[Anonymous No.17501049]

>>17501004
Islam probably isn't common knowledge in that class anon. people didn't know how to respond and were confused why you brought it up because they did not have the same base knowledge.
That plus political sensitivity means you were asking to get cold shoulders.

[Anonymous No.17501055]

>>17501049
>Islam probably isn't common knowledge in that class anon
The absolute state

[Anonymous No.17501064]

>>17500636
in my experience, it's more like:

Opinions men have are more commonly developed from personal conviction, and beliefs women have are more commonly developed by social pressure. Not to say that there aren't exceptions to both.

For example, in "alt-right" circles (in so far as much those actually exist), you will find that most men in them joined after personally "researching" issues, or at least actively sought out existing members and grew into the circles from there. Women in those groups however, almost always joined after being influenced by a trusted male who was already a member: usually a boyfriend or father. Men tend to keep some intellectual distance from their beliefs, "This is just what the stats say" (implying they think their beliefs would change with evidence), "I don't want it to be like this" (but I'm forced to by the actions of others). Now, most of those reasons are bullshit, but the point is they state their beliefs are derived by reality to some degree.

Women on the other hand tend to throw themselves into the culture of a group, and the social dynamics involved. Everything is signifier of group loyalty, often without any real understanding. For example, a man involved with /pol/ might understand that the OK sign doesn't actually stand for "White Power" and is just a psyop to confuse normies, but a woman in those circles might whole heartedly believe that symbol actually holds value. I've seen the same thing in pretty much any other circle, Academia, Corporate Sphere, Military, Christianity, Islam etc.

Men tend to couch their beliefs somewhat, but women throw themselves wholeheartedly into their beliefs (even if those beliefs are in the end hollow).

Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm not a very good writer.

[Anonymous No.17501067]

>>17501031
I have friends who can do that sort of thing.
Due to lockdown I haven't seen them in months.
So you loveable retards will have to do.

[Anonymous No.17501083]

>>17501064
or, that women often times don't know that there is a reasoning behind symbols or beliefs, and think it's exclusively an arbitrary sign of group membership

[Anonymous No.17501099]

>>17501064
>in so far as much those

[Anonymous No.17501100]

>>17501067
>Due to lockdown I haven't seen them in months.
oh, hey, it's me your friend from that group.
I am the one with the curly hair. ahaha which one are you?

[Anonymous No.17501106]

>>17501064
>personally "researching" issues
What is the difference between "personal research" and falling into a community?

[Anonymous No.17501123]

>>17501106
It's more like they understand there is some reasoning behind the beliefs, rather than just treating them as de facto true as the community decides

[Anonymous No.17501125]

>>17501100
Can I see your white card please?

[Anonymous No.17501136]

>>17501099
yeah, im a big dumby pseud desu

[Anonymous No.17501140]

>>17501055
Most people know about Islam, but few norms in the west know much about it beyond "it's the biggest religion in the Middle East".

[Anonymous No.17501152]

>>17501099
yeah, I'm thinking he's BASED

[Anonymous No.17501156]

>>17501123
But what does it really mean to understand the reasoning behind beliefs? Most think they do but are usually led to beliefs by factors other than reason.

[Anonymous No.17501158]

>>17501140
And one of the following:
It's 'based and redpilled', horribly illiberal, a threat to muh freedoms, or our strength.

[Anonymous No.17501162]

>>17501140
I don't want to believe that is possible but I also know you're probably right

[Anonymous No.17501177]

>>17500847
>Americans

[Anonymous No.17501180]

>>17501158
I just meant that most collage students know Islam "is the religion of the ME/the arabs" and know that it is a relatively dangerous topic to talk about. They may also know words like Allah or Mohamed, but nothing about the internal philosophy or customs.

[Anonymous No.17501183]

>>17501156
They don't actually understand the reasons, but know that there probably are reasons down the causal chain.

With women, it's more that they think that the beliefs are a matter of group fiat, rather than any actual reason tied to reality.

You can see the same dynamics reversed by gender in stuff like sports teams, or patriotism. There really is no meaning behind the significance of team colors or mascot, but soccer hooligans will still beat you up if you disrespect their club. And again, this is just a general trend, with a great deal of exceptions

[Anonymous No.17501210]

>>17501004
>Honestly I think its because I had consumed a lot of Zizek information in a short timeframe and my mind kept coming to political / ideological comparisons like that. I meant it in the sense that we face universal problems, but our solutions are different. It was probably very off topic though, and since then I have tried to be less of a "that guy always giving his totally unrelated opinions".
Don't worry about it bro. I try to think of everything as a spook. Today I unironically referred to chemistry labs as "science places" in one of my seminars and I am pretty sure I came off as a total airhead, but what do I care? Life goes on. I am going to be super fucking dead in 60 years, I don't have time for this shit - I need to achieve Gnosis and shitpost on /lit/, I can't afford to worry about what normies think of me. Just learn and move on.
>>17501064
>Opinions men have are more commonly developed from personal conviction, and beliefs women have are more commonly developed by social pressure. Not to say that there aren't exceptions to both.
Depends on what you mean by "personal convictions". Lots of the most rabid early feminists were either insane Puritans or rape victims, for example. I think you'd have to define the meaning of "personal" here. With men, I think you are more likely to encounter people who are attempting to systematise the world in a quest for knowledge or "do the right thing". With women, usually the personal is a direct result of visceral, emotional experience.
>For example, in "alt-right" circles (in so far as much those actually exist), you will find that most men in them joined after personally "researching" issues, or at least actively sought out existing members and grew into the circles from there. Women in those groups however, almost always joined after being influenced by a trusted male who was already a member: usually a boyfriend or father. Men tend to keep some intellectual distance from their beliefs, "This is just what the stats say" (implying they think their beliefs would change with evidence), "I don't want it to be like this" (but I'm forced to by the actions of others). Now, most of those reasons are bullshit, but the point is they state their beliefs are derived by reality to some degree.
This is too recent with too little data on it to draw such conclusions. If you look into the skinhead movements of the 80s and 90s you will find some really aggressive and opinionated women. The British blackshirts also had lots of very prominent female activists who came to fascism from, believe it or not, radical feminism.
>Men tend to couch their beliefs somewhat, but women throw themselves wholeheartedly into their beliefs (even if those beliefs are in the end hollow).
This is kind of true. I think it's about the sense of distance. Men can still be completely dedicated and very ardent, but a high quality man will always remain one step detached from his actual beliefs and retain his autonomy and freedom.

[Anonymous No.17501211]

>>17501064
This is symptomatic of society at large as men become more and more feminine. Pic related

[Anonymous No.17501230]

>>17501028
Agreed, I think women might have tendencies towards being passive in situations like that, but men have a bigger chance of being pseuds driving off topic conversation.

>>17501049
I don't blame them, it had nothing to do with the context at all, I just couldn't help myself and blurted it out like I was on 4chan.

I have found out that teachers really enjoy when I speak up a lot however, but keep it within the topic we're discussing. I imagine it's way more interesting to teach engaging students, than just do a 4 hour PowerPoint presentation to a black wall on zoom.

[Anonymous No.17501244]

Because of you fuckers I went into college thinking everyone was going to be a mega mongoloid SJW.

Most of my professors are more intelligent than I am and treat the readings with respect. I haven't encountered a single leftist who was actually the stereotype on the internet. If you actually talked to the chubby blue haired girl with piercings, you'd learn that she's not so bad. What colleges are you faggots going to?

[Anonymous No.17501252]

>>17497972
I've found this extensively true for both genders in the several schools I went to.

The unfortunate reality is most people you meet in college, most people in general, don't really care beyond anything other than finding a comfortable nest in life and remaining there. I don't fault them for being happy any more than I fault what you're saying, because I agree with you to an extent.

The best you can do imo is pursue what you want to pursue. No one can dictate how you think or what you want to do other than you. That sounds cliche, because it is, but there's a definite and sort of content truth within it.

[Anonymous No.17501255]

>>17496867
>shoves his marxist ideology in to the lecture at every opportunity and only offers marxist interpretations of politics and history
good

[Anonymous No.17501261]

>>17501244
You're having a good experience. For me it's somewhere in the middle. I have had some great professors, and none of them are extremely stereotypical, but a lot of them mainly push SJW narrative or at least tangentially exist within it due to the college atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.17501262]

>>17498864

[Anonymous No.17501265]

>>17501244
sounds like you were indeed the brainlet making assumptions based on Moroccan Vinyl-Collecting Forums

[Anonymous No.17501268]

>>17501244
>"Most of my professors are more intelligent than I am and treat the readings with respect"
>he's more of a pseud than his profs
Imagine being you, lmao!
>If you actually talked to the chubby blue haired girl with piercings, you'd learn that she's not so bad.
Spoke to a bunch of blue haireds in my uni and they were just shy uber normtards who presumably want to stand out as a way to compensate for their inferiority complex and social anxiety. Still, if you think they're all that, try to discuss wrong think with them - see how far you get. These people can be pleasant and polite personally, yes, their issue is that they are retarded conformists.

[Anonymous No.17501270]

>>17501064
nice theory you got there but bro it's basically speculation with your biased anecdotal observations

although i do believe that in general women are more likely than men to engage in a belief or movement out of positive social pressure, while for men it works with negative social pressure instead. and this is also broscience of mine

[Anonymous No.17501278]

>>17501244
You'll find that the internet tends to attract radical thinkers, but they don't show up in reality because online is the only place they feel they can vent -- in a bubble, of course. That's not to say you'll never encounter them, but it's rarer than it seems online.

[Anonymous No.17501305]

>>17500291
You use the math degree as a starting point for basically any career

[Anonymous No.17501311]

>>17501244
I go to a relatively prestigious (not Oxbridge) English Uni.
For the most part the Professors are generally alright, if leftwing in their inclination.
A couple are quite obviously quite extreme liberals but attempt to be neutral.
The core of the reading is drawn from ancient texts so you can't particularly muck around with it, however every 3rd or 4th reading is 'a feminists interpretation of' sort of thing.
Safely ignored.
However at the start of term we were subject to how the ebil fascists of le ebin shouty box head, angry moustache painter, and the mad baron were trying to co-opt ancient symbols and this was a big no no.
I just muted it and went for a drink with a flatmate.
>If you actually talked to the chubby blue haired girl with piercings
They're really not, they are thankfully rare.
The phd candidates are fucking nuts however.
They exactly match the leftist stereotype on the internet.

But you're right that most people in uni, both faculty and students are relatively normal (if you avoid the explicit subversives) if a tad influenced by the current social feeling.

[Anonymous No.17501324]

>>17497972
amazing post

[Anonymous No.17501330]

>>17501311
>The phd candidates are fucking nuts however.
They exactly match the leftist stereotype on the internet.
LITERALLY man what the fuck is up with that? Has been my exact experience at a Scottish r*ssell group uni

[Anonymous No.17501340]

>>17501244
filtered

[Anonymous No.17501348]

>>17501210
Me too, I tell myself I would rather go 3 years being a pseud and asking dumb questions, than sit quiet in all classes and in 3 years look back and not feel smarter.
I just dial down my pseudery a bit, and then keep engaging in the classes.

[Anonymous No.17501354]

>>17500703
College is valuable in that society values it. I'm a STEM senior, and there's little that I've learned that I didn't know beforehand from on-the-job training.

[Anonymous No.17501358]

>>17501311
Im going to go for a phd in international relations. I have been fairly lucky so far in PolSci: the few screeching lefties can be safely ignored for me.

Be honest, how fucked am I with my new classmates?

[Anonymous No.17501376]

>>17501330
One opened the first seminar with her pronouns.
The other one is a fucking disaster and appears either close to death or high on coke, I used to work with coke addicts so I know what it looks like.
She's researching sex curses on roman tombstones and told us IN GRAPHIC DETAIL about her daemon sex dream.
She is quite funny (unintentionally)

I must conclude that the normal people get their paper and fucking bail, only the proper crazies go for phds.

[Anonymous No.17501377]

>>17497972
Thing is though, I have seen most men take the same tac. I'm starting to think that American colleges are a scam.

[Anonymous No.17501392]

>>17501358
I don't know for PolSci, I know that the philosophy phd candidates are strange but likeable.
The histories phds candidates are the greatest weirdos on the planet.
And the science phds candidates are autismos.

[Anonymous No.17501395]

I don't fucking understand this. Philosophy is literally something that you only study if you're genuinely interested in it since there's hardly any reward for meme degrees. Yet nobody around me seems to give a fuck at all. I'm literally the only one in my tutorial who shows up regularly and actually reads the assigned texts and puts effort into discussing them. Everyone else just comes and goes as they please. When they do show up, they have neither read the text nor do they care to engage in the discussion. It's literally only between me and the tutor now. I kinda feel bad for him.
The only other person who puts in effort is some woman in her 30s who sometimes joins in and contributes to the discussion. Kudos to her. But fuck everyone else. I thought I was gonna find like-minded people in uni and hopefully make friends there...

[Anonymous No.17501400]

>>17496987
Based

[Anonymous No.17501401]

>>17501395
Societies, your only chance for that is societies.

[Anonymous No.17501403]

>>17501395
Mommy and daddy made them go to college and they picked a degree that sounded vaguely interesting and not hard to them. That's what I did.

[Anonymous No.17501414]

>>17501395
this is all happening on zoom I forgot to mention. You could literally jerk off and still say a thing or two about the assigned text but apparently even that is too much to ask for.

[Anonymous No.17501430]

>>17501330
Leftoids are the kind of people that go into academia, so they predominate everywhere in phd programmes.
>>17501348
based
>>17501358
>phd in international relations
It was over before it started, lol, what were you thinking? International relations is literally the degree for children of neoliberal politicians, civil servants and NGO deep state bullshit. It's worth going into if your family is a part of the system, otherwise their job is to brainfry you entirely. Politics degrees are similar but less extreme. With all that said, if you're going to a top university your classmates will probably be sociopathic suit-and-tie style scions of the elites rather than insane blue haired psychopaths, though there is some overlap these days.

[Anonymous No.17501431]

>>17500906
> uuuhhhhh, I don't feel confident enough in this to comment.
kek. They always say this. Given that I started college a little later than most, but it seems like anyone under the age of 22 lacks any level of confidence in expressing themselves.

[Anonymous No.17501433]

>>17501414
>50 people seminar
>only people who talk are professor, phd candidate, and up to three people including me
Look at the benefits anon, they know who you are and will be more inclined to help you later on.

[Anonymous No.17501451]

>>17500914
Oh, forgive me, anon. I'm the same one talking about 'The Odyssey'. My professor used the line involving a black character to go on a tangent about how prevalent neo-nazism, white nationalism, etc... is in the world.

[Anonymous No.17501471]

>>17501430
>what were you thinking

I liked watching nations do things, and wanted to go pro

[Anonymous No.17501477]

>>17501471
Forgot my hat

[Anonymous No.17501495]

>>17501451
Oh right, thanks for specifying that. Yeah, it's unfortunate but universities are ideological centers today. It's really strange to read about the past sometimes, since for example we know that in 1910s Germany there was a very strong right wing culture in the universities. It makes me wonder if I'd love it for being, well, not this, or if I'd hate it for being some sort of mirror image of what we have now but with opportunistic, cynical midwits on the right instead of the left.
>>17501471
>>17501477
Bruh moment. You should have done some type of history instead.

[Anonymous No.17501520]

>>17501495
One has to remember that the Romanian Fascists used universities as recruiting grounds and staging camps in the street battles with the reds during the 20s and 30s.
How the times have changed.
They recognised the power of education.

[Anonymous No.17501536]

>>17496867
>take Jane Austen class
>70-ish year old woman professor, was born and lived a significant portion of her life in Britain
>politically liberal and feminist
>dabs on people who think the incest and age gap stories were fucked up by claiming that these were actually the best romantic options for those heroines and that they would have lived happy lives
>dabs on people who try to interpret Austen as more progressive than she actually was in real life

[Anonymous No.17501542]

Why does anyone care about lecture discussions? There is never anything to be gained from them. Just sit back and read the text and think about how you wanna write about it.

[Anonymous No.17501565]

>>17501520
I think it really depends on who attends the universities, who staffs them and what culture they have. The Spanish Falangists also recruited huge waves of people from the universities. When you have lots of ambitious young men, raised to pursue intelligence and excellence from childhood and they encounter a stimulating environment, they will be more prone to pursue new and revolutionary ideas that can lead to glory, power and hierarchy. This is less possible if the greatest ideal of your society is "being nice" to other people and the universities are full of women with social anxiety.

[Anonymous No.17501589]

>>17501542
I enjoy them well enough, if the topic is interesting. If we have to be there for the duration of the class, staring off into space or cleaning my nails instead of engaging in the topic only makes the time drag. If I'm not interested in the topic, I simply won't attend the lecture.

[Anonymous No.17501592]

>>17496867
American education, everyone

[Anonymous No.17501601]

>>17501589
>having option to skip lecture and not fail the class
Never had a class like that in all four years. And fair enough, I guess I like daydreaming and thinking to myself better than talking.

[Anonymous No.17501621]

>>17501601
At my uni, it differs depending on the professor. I'd say only the 'bullshit classes' (electives and the like) actually required their students to attend, as they wouldn't waste their time otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17501640]

>>17501621
It's up to the professor here too, but even classes that are topical and supposed to be advanced only give you a few absences before they take it out of your grade or fail you, and most professors ramped up participation points thanks to the advent of zoom university. I just want to listen to the professor talk, I don't want to hear what bullshit other undergrads come up with and I don't really want to spew my own either.