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17493022 No.17493022 [Reply] [Original]

this genuinely, unironically sucks ass
should i push myself to continue?
is it shilled as a great book, because a WOMAN wrote it?

>> No.17493051

>>17493022
>this genuinely, unironically sucks ass
Care to give a specific example? I'm not convinced you can articulate your distaste.

It's great because it's a very good example of free indirect discourse, as well as being a modernist novel. So there is lots of focus on capturing the emotions of a character and what they are feeling in the moment, as well as how their memory affects them. Modernist novels are really good at artistically portraying the innerworkings of a person's mind. They tend to do it from a non-first-person perspective through free indirect discourse.

If you want an example of free indirect discourse, read the novel, but a really good example is the scene in the park where the airplane flying over head gets described.

Sorry but I think you have a terminal case of being a pleb and being uncultured.

>> No.17493068

>>17493022
The septimus parts are my favourite

>> No.17493081
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17493081

>>17493051
first of all:
fantastic reddit spacing, conglaturations
>If you want an example of free indirect discourse, read the novel, but a really good example is the scene in the park where the airplane flying over head gets described.
ok, i got to this scene. im genuinely indifferent to it. it was like nice snapshot, but then the nagging italian wife had its 5 pages and then back to boring shit of Clarissa being old, loathing her husband and being thisrty for some other guys dick...
is it all the book has to offer?

>> No.17493090

>>17493081
I'm sorry, but you're a bugman who has no empathy. Reading just isn't for you friend.

>> No.17493102

>>17493081
You suck at reading.

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>>17493090
>>17493102
>he doesnt like the book I like
NOOOO, MY HECKIN WHOLESOME BOOKINHO IS GETTING INSULTED AND MISINTERPRETED! CRINGE, CRINGE!

>> No.17493120

>>17493022
"To the lighthouse" is the best book by Woolf.
"The waves" is boring as fuck.

>> No.17493250

>>17493111
The truth hurts anon. It's ok. Not everyone has the ability to appreciate certain fields of art. The majority of people get filtered by paintings and sculptures. You just happened to get filtered by written words. Some day that may change.

>> No.17493355

maybe revisit it when you've grown a little

>> No.17493433

>>17493090
>>17493102
>>17493250
>>17493355
These ppl are all correct. The book is a fantastic pleb filter. Amazing characters, great prose, great reflections, great structure, amazing ending. The quotes about memories flowering out, christ and christesses being made to drink milk in bed and big ben (first the warning - musical, then the hour - irrevocable) are objectively great writing. Even the final word tells you the point of the book. The troll in me absolutely loves the idea that plebs will read this expecting plot and get frustrated.
>boring shit of Clarissa being old, loathing her husband and being thisrty for some other guys dick...
Just makes me laugh a ton. I think your expectations were fuckt up, you're gonna hate the ending

>> No.17493512

>>17493022
If you don't like it stop. Stop letting other people tell you what's good.

>> No.17494940

>>17493433
what is amazing about clarissa as a chcaracter?
it was literally 60 pages of her being precoccupied with 3 thoughts:
>peter better than richard
>sally better than richard
>im old

>> No.17495425

>>17493022
>should i push myself to continue?
No.
>is it shilled as a great book, because a WOMAN wrote it?
Yes. Woolf is literally, unironically, without exaggeration or malice, the most overrated writer in all of literature. As you note, the reasons are entirely contingent and ideological.

>> No.17495428

>>17493022
sexist

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17495450

i think its obvious selling stuff from her car.

all the same price but she cant quite leave the lot. heavens forbid shed get a fine.

all these whatchmacallit?

>> No.17495455

>>17493081
>whining Reddit spacing instead of listening to what he had to say

Filtered

>> No.17495464

>>17493120
Agree

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17495618

ur allowed in.
aeh.
pp=dreyfus

>> No.17495799

Wow, middle class white women really do have it so much worse compared to men who had had their minds shattered in the trenches of WWI. Than you for pointing that out to me, you harpy shrew bitch.

>> No.17496159

Found it boring myself; also found it hard to get over the fact she wrote this book after seething really hard at Ulysses then did her upmost best to try and emulate it and came out with a book lacking any charm or lightness that Ulysses had.

>> No.17497377

IMO Mrs. Dalloway is just as good as To The Lighthouse. Woolf was extremely talented

>> No.17497399

>>17494940
What's good about leopold bloom as a character? It isn't that the character is inherently interesting, its the depth that she is described in. Also lesbians. Personally my favorite character is septimus, then peter walsh, then sally is tied with clarissa.

>> No.17497410

Reminder that taste is subjective

>> No.17497464

>>17497399
The book gets better the further away from Clarissa it gets, peaking with Septimus.

>> No.17497485

>>17497410
Taste is, but i dont think good writing is wholly subjective. Skill in developing characters isn't completely subjective. Yeah sure there are parts that are subjective like if you like clarissa as a character, but i think its not subjective that she's a fully developed and convincing character. Writing is a craft like construction and some houses are objectively better constructed than others.

>> No.17497499

>>17497464
I don't think so. Septimus is the best character, but the memory that walsh has about clarissa and richard was the peak of the book.

>> No.17497539

>>17497410
This is a position held by midwits who know nothing about literary theory or the literary framework a writer was writing in. You basically say this to make yourself feel smart when you don't like a famous book. But all it would take is a scholar or an anon who has done his reading to objectively point out why you're wrong.

>> No.17497574

>>17493081
That's not reddit spacing, newfag.

>> No.17497587

>>17493081
See
>>17495455
This is Reddit spacing.

>> No.17497598

>>17497539
this, some people legitimately just have shit taste, and they often don't know anything about what they're consuming

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17498047

OP here
i have to admit i was pretty BTFO'd by you... i feel like 96 IQ retard
i will give it another try once i am done with the book i am currently reading. and i need some time to recover, you know

>> No.17498283

Her fiction is shit. Good essay writer.

>> No.17498388

>>17498283
Three Guineas was boring and felt too convoluted. A Room of One's Own is loads better.

>> No.17498497

>>17498283
>>17498388
https://www.city-journal.org/html/rage-virginia-woolf-12371.html

>> No.17498762

>>17498497
I started to read that and it just felt like a conservative trying to shit on liberal women. I couldn't finish it.

>> No.17498887

>>17498762
jej
If you think Woolf's terrible mental issues are just emblematic of liberal women in general, you're shitting on them much harder than Dalrymple.

>> No.17499352

>>17493022
Another post whining about a book without finishing it

>> No.17499476

>>17493068
based