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17478470 No.17478470 [Reply] [Original]

holy shit this book changed my life

>> No.17478474

did you make you realize that reading twitter larpers was a waste of time?

>> No.17478476

>>17478470
This is just Nietzsche for zoomers that think Nietzsche isn't "based" enough

>> No.17478481

>The truth is... real monke has never been tried

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>>17478470
BTFO'd by dialectics god and Greek BVLL Ted Metrakas/@FredNietzky
https://tknk.io/pHOi

>> No.17478655

wtf I am now homosexual

>> No.17478676

>>17478470
Paul Skallas is better

>> No.17478690

>>17478676
Paul Skallas is a public menace and professional rapist

>> No.17478715

>>17478690
>>17478676
Who the fuck is this Paul skallas lindyman retard? I see him a lot in some places but I don't know what the fuck's with his deal. I get bap but not him. Is he just a shitposter whose following is all collectively in on the joke without ever questioning it?

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>>17478470
posted the wrong image, friend

>> No.17478769

>>17478715
First you must understand the principle of lindy textiles and materials such as linen, mahogany wood, marble etc.

>> No.17479015

>>17478715
He's a follower of Nassim Taleb who created the term "lindy". Just read the "basic concepts" posts on Skallas' substack and decide if you like him or not. I think he explains problems of modern life really well and in easy to understand for everyone language

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This one changed mine:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TGBGGF8

>> No.17479041

>all these twitter losers have their shitty book out
>still no Hakan or Miya book

>> No.17479049

is this meme or legit?

>> No.17479104

>>17478470
Is this a joke or will it actually change my life?

>> No.17479160

>>17479041
Miya is an egotistical geek and hakan cant write a book because it wouldn't hold water

>> No.17479165

>>17479160
>because it wouldn't hold water
So? Tons of books are mostly or complete bullshit and they still get published

>> No.17479179

>>17479165
Does that make them good

>> No.17479184

>>17479179
can anything be proven to be good?

>> No.17479185

>>17479179
Entertaining at least even if not objectively good

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>>17478676
Skallas is just a hanger on parasite of Taleb; 4hl was his only good idea.

>> No.17479300

>>17479049
>>17479104
He's been shilling on here for years. It's trash.

>> No.17479615

>>17478484
> This shows the fakeness of BAP’s vitalism—he does not actually like or respect life, because if he did he would respect agriculture, the source of life, the essence of nature, filled with endless wonders and possibilities to feed the world

ehh not really, no, it's both explained in the book (the superiority of the hunter-gatherer) and is part of a larger sentiment (think kaczynski)

interesting review, but I wouldn't call it a BTFO by any means, and I don't even like BAP

>> No.17479624

>>17478722
Reading this at the moment, 80 pages in. How did it change your life anon?

>> No.17479794

>>17479615
Med pastoralists replaced by herbivore agrarian
bap ratified by critique

>> No.17479815

>>17478722
I bought it and started reading first. 20 pages, but that american writing and. setting was kind of boring. Even so i will finish it and im sure i will think other of it later on.

>> No.17479822

>>17478470
>holy shit this book changed my life
This is planned to be my next reading.
Could you say how it has changed your life? Why did it have such a major effect on you

>> No.17479922

>>17479822
It's about how primitivism and being a warrior is superior to the long-house feminist/socialist state we live in today.
The book is obviously midwit tier but it drops a lot of bombs and I honestly enjoyed it a lot.
Things like striving for beauty over everything else is something we seem to have forgotten in the last couple decades

>> No.17479924

>>17478655
Homosexuality is unironically superior. You need a wife to get children of course. But the male body is much prettier, lasts longer, and doesnt bleed for two weeks once a month

>> No.17479978

>>17479924
I can't get off without benis in bagina

>> No.17479985

>>17479922
>contemporary society under capitalism bad
>don't read marx
>read romanticized version of history and idolization of "hunter gatherer" society
Why is the objection to modern society always that things was better in the past for you people?

>> No.17479988

>>17479985
were*
also, things were better in the past for fit-bodied people. Look at the Greek at it's prime and tell me we're better off today.

>> No.17479989

>>17479922
Does it talk about intellectual development too? As a way to becoming a complete warrior or something. Does it take the real intellectual pursue into account (philosophy study, literature,mathematics etc) or he only focuses on the physical and moral development of the warrior?

>> No.17479993

>>17479989
There is real intellectualism in this book. But like I said it's rather shallow. This is because the message the book brings isn't anything new, it's just been forgotten.

>> No.17479998

>>17479988
>fit bodied people
>slaves do physical labor
>aristocrats drink wine and shit post their philosophical ideas
I don't see it

>> No.17480000

>>17479998
On god, if you continue this behaviour I will portray you as the basedjack.

>> No.17480006

>>17480000
onions---jack* also quads

>> No.17480019

>>17479993
>There is real intellectualism in this book. But like I said it's rather shallow. This is because the message the book brings isn't anything new, it's just been forgotten.
I see. Do you know any books that would focus and glorify intellectual pursuit?

>> No.17480023

>>17480000
Is that part of the warrior culture of beauty?

>> No.17480028

>>17480019
Plato and Aristotle.

>> No.17480033

>>17479922
Somebody, I forget who, said "it's better to live as a lion for a day than a lamb for a lifetime", or something to that effect, is it like that?

>> No.17480066

>>17479985
The book explicitly says that life wasn't better in the past and that in fact the modern world is bad because it is returning to an older form of society albeit made even worst because of technology.

>> No.17480089

>>17480066
That's unironically interesting. What older form of society are we returning to, despite technological advances?

>> No.17480097

>>17479041
Who the fuck is miya

>> No.17480116

>>17478470
the fake ESL writing style and shit tier arguments with no support turned me off desu.

>> No.17480118

>>17480089
Of the socialist, feminist long-house where a matriarchy is in place.

>> No.17480120

>>17480097
https://zyg.edith.reisen/
https://miya-miya.neocities.org/thoughts/
One among the more interesting people alive today

>> No.17480138

>>17480118
Hmmm, I have a hard time seeing modern society as that. How in particular is it socialist and a matriarchy? It seems like the sort of argument that people want to believe, because they don't like feminism or socialism or whatever.

>> No.17480150

>>17478474
Nah. Watching him double-down on grift-tree and fold on the 'uprising' was cringe though. A lot of these guys built an image off pretending they were more 'in the know' than they really were, but 90% of their content is just dredged from /pol/.

>> No.17480154

>>17478676
Paul Skallas is a bitter manlet with a woman's voice. Ultimate proof that Meds aren't white.

>> No.17480157

>>17480150
I was extremely disappointed with how much time all of these people spent shilling for Trump and election fraud non stop for months.

>> No.17480163

>>17479015
He didn't create the term, he was probably responsible for popularizing it, though. He doesn't understand modern life at all because he's a godless degenerate.

>> No.17480178

>>17479924
kys faggot

>>17479978
based heterosexual

>>17479985
>implying Marx even comes close to addressing what is wrong with society
Novel idea that I know you middle brow retards have never considered, but even if the current industrial apparatus was distributed on a Marxist basis (ability-ability, need-need), it wouldn't make one iota of difference because the Marxist worldview is a product of impoverished "scientific" thinking.

>> No.17480182

>>17480138
Because we are spending too many rescources on lost causes. The mentally retarded, infertile women, fat women.

>> No.17480185

>>17480089
A society in which the only way of life is survival and reproduction (mere life).

Contrary to what other anons have said, the book is not about primitivism, it even says that there is nothing inherently wrong with science and technology. It's more about the meaning of life, or more accurately the meanings of life. It says that there are different ways of life: mere life, which seeks only survival and reproduction, and ascending life, which seeks power and beauty. You can find theses types of life in animals, but we humans are kind of at a cross-road, we can become possessed by either.

What kind of way of life we follow influences our behavior and by extrapolation the societies we shape. In the two extremes are "Asian" civilization which reflects mere life (think of huge cities where everyone lives in squalor and fends for themselves in a war of all against all) and barbarism which reflects ascending life (think of steppe warriors that live freely, conquer their surroundings and become worshipped like gods). The book argues that in some instances, the barbarian lifestyle can be recreated within cities, providing the best of both world, being able to live freely but also benefit from technological advancements, with the Greek city states being the archetype of such civilization. But the book says that these instances are rare and that mere-life societies are actually the default type of civilization.

With this in mind, this is what I meant by returning to an older societal model. According to the book, the Western civilization that emerged during the renaissance was another instance of ascending life mixed with civilization. It gives the conquerors and frontier explorers as examples of those "civilized barbarians". However, for various reasons, notably because it is the default type, the book argues that we are returning to a mere-life civilization in which we don't care about beauty anymore, concern ourselves mostly with just consuming (a mere-life behavior) and neuter the vigor of young men (which is what drives us to ascending life). According to the book, these types of societal ills are just the norm for humanity, it's how peasants lived, it's how Persian slaves lived, it's how primitive tribes in the Amazon live.

>> No.17480198

>>17480157
It wasn't a coup in the way they want you to believe, but at the time there was definitely a sense that it very well could have been. A lot of 4chan Frog Twitter stuff went mainstream throughout the Trump presidency, but I think fundamentally their problem is that they exist in an echo chamber just like the left and vastly overestimate their influence on the party. Evangelical Republicans were never interested in a civil war.

It's probably for the best anyways - Trump was a pro gun-control Zionist and quite honestly in retrospect he seems like a perfect controlled op candidate. This enters the realm of conspiratorial thinking, though, which I've found is rarely productive. The point is that guys like CityBureaucrat and BAP over-invested in an ironic narrative of Trump as some Spenglerian Caesar come to cross the Rubicon and kill our enemies. He never was - most of us just got caught up in the meme before we realized that.

>> No.17480233

>>17480182
How about we spent resources on the men who are lost causes also, to try and balance it out?

>>17480185
How is young men the source of beauty for society? I agree that the excess commodities from consumerism is spiraling us out of control, but I think looking to "great men" of the past isn't the way to solve this moving forward, perhaps instead focus on how we can free up each individual from the constraints that modern life puts upon them. I mean its hard to live an "aesthetic life" when you have a full time job and all your free time is spent preparing for the next 8 hour work day. I think Greek civilization could be a vision of envy, but only if we see it for what it was, a bunch of aristocrats living off of slave labor. With modern automation we could strive for such a lifestyle also, but it would need a big revamp in the way we produce and consume commodities.

>> No.17480370

>>17480233
>How is young men the source of beauty for society?
Beauty is more about youth in general. But young men are the ones who seek to develop themselves and acquire power in the context of ascending life.

>I agree that the excess commodities from consumerism is spiraling us out of control, but I think looking to "great men" of the past isn't the way to solve this moving forward, perhaps instead focus on how we can free up each individual from the constraints that modern life puts upon them.
Well I'm not trying to advocate anything here. I'm just trying to explain what I got from the book which is surprisingly very misunderstood despite the incessant threads about it. If I were to answer your point with the book in mind, I would say that it only talks about great men to show how they went about living an ascended life. Like I said, the book doesn't consider the constraints of modern life to be new at all. Therefore it makes sense it look at the past where those constraints were present, just in different forms.

>I mean its hard to live an "aesthetic life" when you have a full time job and all your free time is spent preparing for the next 8 hour work day.
It's actually impossible to live a true ascending life in our current time, according to the book. The conditions are not meant for this lifestyle to thrive. It ultimately advocates doing the best you can for preparing for war by becoming strong and learning skills even if that's hard to do. In the end, the book predicts that at some point in the future, there's gonna be a reckoning once inside or outside forces capable of waging war will realize how weak our leaders and our society is.

>I think Greek civilization could be a vision of envy, but only if we see it for what it was, a bunch of aristocrats living off of slave labor. With modern automation we could strive for such a lifestyle also, but it would need a big revamp in the way we produce and consume commodities.
I would say that this doesn't really fix any issue. Like I said before, the book sees nothing wrong with technology, it's the type of life we live that matters. Give automation to the superfluous and they'll use it to sustain their mere life. Give automation to those that strive for more and then you might see something life Greek cities again. But based on the book I would say that both cannot exist simultaneously, at least not within the same society and certainly not with democracy because those ascending-life people are a threat to mere-life people. The latter would try to squash them which is what is going on in our society.

Ultimately, what the book says is that you can't fix our society because it is flawed at a biological level and the damage has been done. It says that it's better to get strong, acquire skills, find a band of brothers and create a new civilized barbarian society through violence. At one point it even advocated living like a mercenary in Africa to try to seize a land and become king.

>> No.17480405

>>17480370
It sounds like the book plays into the idea of "the storm" a lot, and instead of dividing society into classes, it creates a division between the "ascending" and the "mere-lifers". Seems like it plays on the typical conservative values being good and "ascending life" and socialist / feminist or whatever they argue against as "mere-life", which seems like an artificial dichotomy.

>> No.17480430

>>17479924

>Two weeks

Have you ever met a woman (besides your mother) in your whole life?

>> No.17480538

>>17480405
>it creates a division between the "ascending" and the "mere-lifers". Seems like it plays on the typical conservative values being good and "ascending life" and socialist / feminist or whatever they argue against as "mere-life", which seems like an artificial dichotomy.
I wouldn't put it like that. I haven't said anything about conservatives or socialists or anything like that. I'm not that other poster who misunderstood the book to be about primitivism. You'd be surprised at the things that fall within the categories of ascending life and mere life, it certainly isn't an obvious political left-right divide. The divide is more along the lines of quality vs quantity, strong vs weak, beauty vs ugliness, etc.

It could be that that dichotomy is artificial, though I'm not sure what you mean by that. You mean a dichotomy that is conceived to split into two a much more complex phenomenon? It could be. The book has sort of dropped the ball on this particular point. In the first part, it mentions that there are many ways of life, but later exclusively talks about mere life and ascending life. So it's not clear if the author believes these are two main ways of life amongst many other, or if these two are extremes and the other ways are found on a spectrum between the two.

In any case it's an interesting read if only for the entertaining schizo ramblings of the author. Personally, I find that there are some truth in what is written, or at least points that I couldn't disprove so that I have to accept as true for the moment being (I'm doing the "How to Read a Book" analysis of it). Notably, I'd like to believe that there is more to life than just reproduction and survival, so the concept of ascending life is appealing to me, and I don't mind disregarding all the societal implications that follow.

>> No.17480587

>>17480538
I see, it does sound like it has some meat to it at least. What I meant by artificial is that I often see analysis that amounts to "this is right and good" and everything else is Other, foreign and degenerate and must be combatted.
That's what I first thought this book was getting at, some idea of "the elites / modern society doesn't want you to live a beautiful life young man, go unleash your vigor by calling a black person nigger on 4chan".
I can see the point he is making that modern society is becoming about survival, but thats where I think it hard not to start an economic analysis or political one to look at the state of modern life. Things like income, rent prices and consumerism etc.
Also the idea of the "strong vs. weak" is to me an excuse for barbarism, and seems more like an idea that would degenerate society than anything else.
But it sounds a lot more interesting than I at first thought, what points of it is schizo though? And why would someone call themself bronze age pervert, if they weren't a shit poster?

>> No.17481019

>>17480233
You fucking minsetlet

>> No.17481544

>>17480587
>I see, it does sound like it has some meat to it at least.
I don't want to oversell it. I may have read more things than there is to it since it's essentially a long /pol/-tier shitpost. When I analyzed it, I didn't take the book at face value and tried to decipher what the author meant by his schizo-babble so perhaps I added that meat myself. For instance, at some point the author says he believes much of history was falsified or misunderstood, and goes on about how, for instances, the crusades and the Iliad might refer to the same event. Since he often refers to historical example, I found this to be a bit contradictory, so I took this to mean that he wants the reader to be careful about received truth (something he does spell out explicitly in the text to his credit).

>but thats where I think it hard not to start an economic analysis or political one to look at the state of modern life.
Well, the book argues that all social structures derives from biology, e.g. what type of life you follow, kind of how Marx says it's the means of production that shape society. The book does give a few examples here and there, but I do agree that it's kind of a cope on the part of the author to not discuss these subjects. But it is interesting to think that there could be aspects of our biology that could lead to drastically different types of societies. In fact another book explores this idea, "The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics", that argues that we humans can adopt two types of survival strategies that lead to two different political cultures which are reflected in the left and the right. But I found that book to be really infuriating because creates the fake dichotomy like you mentioned before. Still, there could be some truth to both.

>Also the idea of the "strong vs. weak" is to me an excuse for barbarism, and seems more like an idea that would degenerate society than anything else.
There's no way around it, the book does make an excuse for barbarism. The life of a steppe nomad is preferable to the life of the Chinese serf according to it. But it's because it's a free life and freedom is required to lead an "ascending" life. And that's also why the book praises the Greeks, they were free and civilized, but they also had to be strong to protect that freedom.

>what points of it is schizo though? And why would someone call themself bronze age pervert, if they weren't a shit poster?
Most of it is schizo with interludes of high clarity. It took me three readings to make sense of it beyond "just be a violent barbarian" and that might just be me connecting dots that aren't there. I don't know if the writing style is an artistic choice (it does make for an interesting read) or if it's a cope by the author who wrote a fill-the-blanks philosophy book hidden behind cryptic ramblings.

>> No.17481577

Reads like a long twitter post. Nothing of value there unless you never lurked 4chan and have been living under a cave

>> No.17481750

>>17479624
It's just a banger. Got me hooked on stream of consciousness type-shit, feels real in a way that traditional prose can't capture

>> No.17481939

>>17480000
>>17480006
lol retard

>> No.17481997

>>17478470
>just be a mercenary/pirate, bro.

>> No.17482002 [DELETED] 

you should also read culture of critique

>> No.17482188

>>17480033
That was some Canadian..I think his name was Moose A. Lini. He was a maple syrup privateer on lake Superior during the Great Lake War or of 1972.