/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.1747708]

> reads books on an e-reader
> thinks s/he is deserving of life
mfw

[Anonymous No.1747711]

>implying /lit/ has self-esteem

[Anonymous No.1747717]

inb4 some faggot justifies his degenerate lifestyle with appeals to subjectivity of all opinions instead of accepting the fact that s/he is a scum bag

[satan !OW9DVqIqy6 No.1747718]

>implying desert

[Anonymous No.1747719]

>deserving of life
gtfo

[Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ No.1747721]

>he thinks his irrational aggression towards e-readers doesn't stem from his frustration at being unable to accept progressive change.

[Anonymous No.1747728]

> implying the e-readers trend won't die after this year
> implying anyone reads e-readers outside of the neckbeards on /lit/

[Anonymous No.1747729]

e-readers are fucking retarded

op is cool

[Anonymous No.1747733]

lol ereaders

[Anonymous No.1747734]

After purchasing an ereader, I enjoy reading more than I have enjoyed it in years. Feels good to not be a luddite.

[Anonymous No.1747736]

>>1747734
this is the audience e-readers target

fags who don't actually read but now will read for 10 minutes a day on their gameboys in between twitter posts

[Anonymous No.1747738]

>buying a gadget to read books instead of just reading books

lol

[Anonymous No.1747742]

there's absolutely nothing wrong with e-readers, it's like guitar hero but for books

[Anonymous No.1747744]

>>1747738
>buying a gadget to read all books ever made for free

[Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ No.1747745]

>>1747728

Everyone at my college has started using e-readers, and I'm seeing them more and more. They save space, they save time having to go to the shops, they save money from all the legitimately (and otherwise) free books you can download and they have other functionalities like reading the news etc.

Anyone else noticed that especially females have taken to using them? In fact, there is a girl who routinely gets my train every day and I might start a conversation with her and tell you guys all about it, how 'bout that.

This is strange because you might assume that girls would have a more emotional attachment to the sensory experience of using books (the smell, the feeling of the pages etc) but actually the ability to customise your reader with cutesy graphics seems to appeal more to them than any tasteless nostalgic nonsense.

Maybe that's because they never used to read before, however. I don't think it's a coincidence that the surge in popularity for e-readers happened around the same time that twilight came out.

[Anonymous No.1747757]

>criticizing the people who use them and not the device itself

[None !phi.HcTbyc No.1747771]

>mfw I use both paper books and ebooks depending on whether I want to pay for the good stuff or just read the fucking text

>mfw when people pick sides over everything

[Anonymous No.1747777]

I don't really like e-readers myself, I'm proud of the bookcase I have and I often take a book with me when I go somewhere. My father doesn't have room for one though, he is constantly traveling, and since I gave him an e-reader with about 30 books on it he's been reading a lot. Really, in the end it depends on what kind of situation you're in.

[Anonymous No.1747787]

>>1747745
0/10

Do you go to college for sci/fi fantasy neckbeards?

[Anonymous No.1747790]

ITT: fags who haven't heard of a library and have some superficial need to possess 9001 books on their person at all times

[Anonymous No.1747799]

buy books + download em for on the road

idort ftw

[Anonymous No.1747803]

Ugh this is like reading /int/. What the fuck happened to this board? Even the pointless e-reader debates were full of respect and information instead of this shitty "implying", reaction images and idiotic opinions.

Fuck you /lit/

[Anonymous No.1747813]

>>1747790
>superficial need to possess books
you must be talking about those guys who buy only leather-bound hardbacks (because they cannot read otherwise, because they smell good and because look at my bookshelf)
>haven't heard of a library
i know what a library is, but i'll take it with me, please. all the time. whenever i feel like. books at my fingertip. hell yeah.

[Anonymous No.1747821]

>>1747803
summers coming, that's what's happening. The fact that you don't know that would imply that you came here last summer.

[Anonymous No.1747868]

ITT: butthurt e-readerfags

[Anonymous No.1747880]

I don't understand...You can download a couple hundred thousand books for free.
I don't have to waste time at the library.
Don't have to waste money buying books.

I read about 2-3 books a week before e-reader and I read 2-3 a week with e-reader.

Any real advantage of having a book?
I can take an entire library with me anywhere...and it's free.

[Anonymous No.1747885]

>>1747880
aspie detected

[Anonymous No.1747887]

>>1747885
Wait wait a minute, hold it right there. He actually states why he doesn't think an e-reader is bad thing by telling us his opinion and personal experience while you just insult him... and he's the aspie? Sir you have mental issues

[Anonymous No.1747933]

>>1747887
His motivations for getting an e-reader is to "not waste time" at a library and being able to carry around 9001 books everywhere. Sounds pretty aspie to me.

> mfw I can put books on hold for me at the library on their website and I go in and pick them up and it takes me 5 minutes
> mfw no one needs 9000 books on their person

[Anonymous No.1747943]

>>1747933
still sounds like an e-reader is more convenient

[Anonymous No.1747955]

>>1747933

Has nothing to do with the necessity to carry that many books.
Never used that word, merely making sure the possibilities were communicated.

Takes me 15 minutes to hit the library where I am at, one way.
Now when I decide I want to read a book, chances are I already have it downloaded.
Takes 1 minute to find it.

Even given your stance, e-reader is STILL more convenient...
so i don't understand why you wouldn't get one.
Also, if you are going to provide another response,
I would like an answer to my original honest question,
"Any real advantage of having a (physical) book?"

[Anonymous No.1747960]

>>1747943
aspies obsessed with convenience

must be a fulfilling life y'all have

[Anonymous No.1747962]

Is there any advantange to having a real guitar?

[Anonymous No.1747963]

is there any advantage to have a real woman?

[Anonymous No.1747964]

>>1747963
>>1747962
These are silly analogies and don't apply to e-readers.

[Anonymous No.1747968]

>>1747962

I don't understand this analogy, never have.
Guitar hero guitar, only has 5 "pitches"
Real guitar, has hundreds (incl. pedals, pinch harmonics, 7 string guitars, etc).

E-book, contains all text w/o binding/cover.
Real book, contains all text with binding/cover.

Sounds to me like a needless glorification of physical pages or something.
I personally don't gain any satisfaction from the feeling of a leather book or turning a real page,
I enjoy the text and that is all.
If you do enjoy those aspects of a book, all power to you.
Either way, the guitar hero metaphor is a stretch, imo.

[Anonymous No.1747971]

>>1747963
>>1747962

Boy you sure showed us with your brilliant comparations.

[Anonymous No.1747972]

>>1747971

>comparations
E-readers come with a dictionary for this sort of thing, you know?

[Anonymous No.1747976]

What are you, a child?

That's a childish opinion.

[sandwiches No.1747977]

>>1747955
Fair enough. I'm not here to argue sides or which is better. An e-reader just simply is not as comfortable to read for myself, I can't put post-it notes in it and I can't flip through all the pages if I'm looking for something and translated e-books are usually awful. I have access to a really great library and I already have a really good book collection so I guess that helps.

E-readers and physical books will co-exist but I really doubt that e-readers will take over. If we can all just get along that'd be great.

[Anonymous No.1747978]

>>1747963

No. Only horrible disadvantages.

[Anonymous No.1747979]

>>1747972
Hahaha sorry english is not my first language and I made a shitty translation.

[Anonymous No.1747980]

I've heard a talk of a researcher who studied the effects of e-reading on memorizing.
It seems the structure of the text in the codex is important for the memory. Endless scrolling page doesn't help knowing how far you're in the book and stuff like that.

That's about the only issue I have with e-reader. Maybe that they take electricity and metals but one could argue that you need a lot of energy to produce a book too and inks aren't exactly the cleanest thing out there.

But hey if you're only reading silly fictional texts that do not matter, no need to remember them and you could read like 2 or 3 of them a week if you like.

[Anonymous No.1747984]

>>1747708
I got an e-reader for christmas, I'm reading more often and in greater variety than I have in years. Feels good man.

[sandwiches No.1747987]

>>1747980
fucking a

[Anonymous No.1747989]

>>1747980
Wow. Bullshit and stupidity combined. Just fuck off and die, fag.

[Anonymous No.1747990]

>>1747980

Kindle has a display for your progress through a book.

Also, I would like to think that a majority of the books I read are well selected.
Quite a bit of pointless fantasy, for killing time, but I don't think it should take that long to read an "important" text.

Parents are rich, no need for a job.
I'm 24, and have a lot of time to read.

[Anonymous No.1747992]

>>1747980
books: 1

e-reader pieces of shit: 0

[Anonymous No.1747993]

>>1747980
Most e-readers simulate a page flip instead of scrolling and include a progress indicator.

[sandwiches No.1747997]

>>1747993
The page flip simulation is pretty annoying and kind of depressing, imo.

[Anonymous No.1748005]

>>1747993
But you don't get the feeling of the weight of the book in your end and how much pages are left in your right hand for example. It's not the same.
>>1747990
Well there are important texts you need to learn. Then it's useful to have a knowledge of the end and the beginning.
I don't know what your job has to do with that. If you're rich you can afford space and books, can't you?

Something else that I think isn't possible with books on electronic devices:
gifting a book. Yeah you can gift a text but not a book.
You can't write on the second white page something that will last for years until someone picks up the book again and remember... Feels good man when it's a book from the childhood of your parent for example.

But hey if you want to avoid all human contact involved with books (library, book shops, gifting, sharing the book with someone else), then it's all good.

Oh and you can't use it to block a door or a dresser.

[Anonymous No.1748016]

>>1748005
>sharing the book with someone else
This is the number one reason why books are better to me. I love lending and being lent books, sharing views while doing so. I love finding annotations on used books, it's like an insight on what the other person was getting out of the book.
Last week I bought an austrian book of folk songs from 1854 for just 2 bucks and while I was skimming it I found a few notes dated 1868 in german, reminding himself to show that song to his wife and stuff like that. You can't get those things on an ebook.

[sandwiches No.1748026]

>>1748005
Fucking A, my friend. I love knowing that my books are imbued with a whole history and life of their own.

[Anonymous No.1748038]

ITT people complain about other people reading.

[Anonymous No.1748046]

>>1748038
> implying you can "read" e-books and not just skim and scroll while your eyes slowly bleed and rot

[Anonymous No.1748049]

>>1748005
>you don't get the feeling of the weight of the book
You could attach different types of weights according to a book size, if that matters to you.
>don't get [...] how much pages are left
Yes you do.
>If you're rich you can afford space and books
Yes you can. But you could use that space in a million better ways.
>gifting a book
You can gift e-books too. Want a nice memory or a personal touch? Postcards are better for that.
>you can't use it to block a door or a dresser
You don't really love books if you use them like that irl

[Anonymous No.1748051]

>>1748026
Shallowness. Shallowness everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1748053]

>>1748038
fucking a

[Anonymous No.1748055]

>mfw people hate e-readers because their entire emotional attachment to the investment of all their books and shelving.

Sure is sunk cost fallacy in here

[sandwiches No.1748057]

>>1748051
>>1748049
Except not at all.

[Anonymous No.1748061]

>>1748005

Most e-books have a lend option if a friend happens to have a corresponding e-reader as well. I like it because I can lend a friend a book I liked and not worry about them destroying it/forgetting it belongs to me/never returning it. I like to keep my hard copy books in good condition but people just brutalize them....even though it doesn't belong to them. It is also really awkward when I ask for my book back after a year of waiting and they swear that they've had my book since 2nd grade or some other stupid shit.

I like my e-reader for the free/cheaper books or periodicals but for my favorite books I like to keep hard copies.

[Anonymous No.1748063]

>>1748046
>implying that reading on an e-ink display it's in any way different than reading a printed page.
Get out of your cave, there's a thing called progress outside.

[Anonymous No.1748064]

>>1748055
Yes, I'd rather have an emotional attachment to my books. I like my books, I like reading.

[sandwiches No.1748073]

>>1748061
Who cares about keeping your books in good condition? I mean, I don't intentionally try to damage them and I don't really like cracks in the binding, but if it comes then so be it. A book that looks used is a book that has been read and that's damn sexy.

Aesthetic bliss up in here. Pic related.

[Anonymous No.1748078]

People who hate e-readers to people who love e-readers:
"aspies obsessed with convenience and avoiding human contact"

People who hate physical books to people who love physical books:
"aspies obsessed with emotional attachment to an object"

Y'all are silly willies.

[Anonymous No.1748079]

>>1748064
If you use an e-reader you will develop an emotional attachment to the hardware, if you're prone to growing emotionally attached to objects.

[Anonymous No.1748083]

>>1748079
But you can't donate your hardware, it would make no sense.
Your hardware will stop working one day.
A book never stops working unless you let it in a very humid place for too long.
You can gift that same book and several people can read it...

[Anonymous No.1748090]

>>1748073

I don't like my covers torn off. I don't like the pages falling out. I don't like the binding ripped to shreds. That's the kind of condition my books come back in if I loan them out. You knew exactly what I was saying (hence, the use of "destroying" and "brutalized") but you want to split hairs.

[Anonymous No.1748092]

>>1747771
faggots.

[Anonymous No.1748093]

>>1748073
So you praise the physical object called book, but you don't care about its condition. Conflicted much?

[Anonymous No.1748102]

There are advantages and disadvantages to both. E-readers have real advantages that, to most people, outweigh the advantages of a physical book. E-readers are not going anywhere, and will probably only get more popular. For good reason, too.

[Anonymous No.1748105]

may buy expensive printer to print and bind my own books after ripping .epub>.pdf

Opinions bros?

[Anonymous No.1748108]

>>1748083
If I want to give a book as a gift I could always buy a hard (or digital for that matter) copy for the person I'm giving it to.

Being unable to sell the books onto the secondary market is a more valid problem for e-readers in my opinion.

I still keep paper books, because I do have an emotional attachment to the physical sensation of reading, but in a lot of cases an e-reader has advantages. Particularly when I'm right near the end of a book (I read during almost any moment of down time so if I don't have enough book for my down time I get bored), since I personally find carrying two books with me irritating. They're also useful if you read more than one book at once.

The ability to search the text of the book and of your annotations is also quite handy.

[Anonymous No.1748109]

>>1748093
You just don't get it.

[Anonymous No.1748112]

Kindle master race here, u mad, stone-age OP? I have more books in my coat pocket during my every-day two hour commute than I could read in a lifetime, and I paid for nothing but the device. I also move a lot, and aint trying to carry around a shit ton of books and shelves. I also have no "cover shame" if I decide I wanna read something fluffy once in a while. Should I go on?

tl;dr you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.1748113]

>>1748083
>But you can't donate your hardware.
You make no sense. I donated my old Kindle to a cousin and bought the new model for myself.
>A book never stops working
Cool story fag.
>You can gift that same book and several people can read it...
You don't gift the e-reader, you gift the e-book and several people can read it...

[sandwiches No.1748117]

>>1748090
insane hyperbole or you need some new friends

[Anonymous No.1748118]

The difference between regular books and ebooks seems to be the same thing between vinyls/CDs and digital music.

Both are fine dammit. But personally, I prefer the digital copies because it takes up no physical space(aside from the actual drive you use to hold it)

[Anonymous No.1748122]

Guys, it's the same argument we've been having for CD's/Vinyl/physical medium vs. mp3 for years now. The basic answer is: If you don't know, feel and understand the feeling of having a physical copy, then you probably never will.

[Anonymous No.1748123]

You fucking asspie faggots with your shitty gadgets make me sick.

[Anonymous No.1748124]

>>1748109

[Anonymous No.1748126]

>>1748123

cool story bro. your butthurt makes me well.

[Anonymous No.1748128]

>>1748122

so you actually believe those of us with ereaders don't know what it's like to hold a book?

[Anonymous No.1748134]

>>1748128
Pretty much.

But if your obtuse enough to think that he means the act of physically holding a book then... well I don't know.

[Anonymous No.1748135]

>>1748122
Uh no. It has nothing to do with it.
Music isn't information.
An appropriate comparison could be going to a concert vs listening to recorded music.

>haha you faggots I can listen to 10 0000 songs at the same time if I want while you can only listen to the ones a specific artist is singing and you can't even stop or pause or increase the volume if you fancy

[Anonymous No.1748136]

I have no problem with it, I just can't physically read one. It feels weird to me, holding this tabletlike thing. It's just not comfortable. Books aren't that crazy fucking expensive and don't take up a fucking crazy amount of space if you're not a poorfag (condolences if you are), so for me personally I'll never get an e-reader.

I'd rather have the book in my hand, but maybe some people would rather have the e-reader. Not a fucking hard concept.

[Anonymous No.1748140]

OH SHI-

It's like holding a real book!

[Anonymous No.1748144]

>>1748140
Uh no, it's not.
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.1748145]

>mfw they think having a wildly popular gadget to read books makes you an aspie

[Anonymous No.1748146]

>>1748135
But music is entertainment. So are books. Same sort of idea. The concert idea was another good analogy, though.

[Anonymous No.1748149]

>>1748136

it's that type of reasonable observation that'll get you killed 'round these parts, m'boy/girl

[Anonymous No.1748152]

>>1748144

It really is. The weight is similar and a nice leather smell (if you go in for that kind of cover). It's much more comfortable to have a cover instead of just holding the tablet alone. Or use prop it up when you have to use your hands for something else (i.e. cooking, eating, shitting, etc.).

But I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just showing that it can be very similar.

[Anonymous No.1748154]

OP here.

Some much butthurt, look at all these swine who think they deserve to breathe in air. Save that air for the trees so we can make some more books, faggots!

[Anonymous No.1748165]

>>1748154
so this is the kind of guy who thinks physical books are better
wtg, faggots!

[Anonymous No.1748173]

>>1748140
Well I posted the post above this, and this proves my point nil. Not completely, but I'd probably use this if someone gave it to me. Still wouldn't buy it.

[Anonymous No.1748187]

>>1748165
It seems a struck a chord that rings true!

Or else, you wouldn't be so butthurt!

[Anonymous No.1748195]

>>1748145
> wildly popular
Step outside /lit/, leave the house and you'll see that e-readers are pretty minor. They're targeted at people who don't read but will read if they have an e-reader because of the convenience and what not. I'm not arguing that this is bad, but I have yet to meet someone who is a dedicated reader and has switched over to e-readers...outside /lit/. 4channers aren't real human beings, y'all don't count.

[Anonymous No.1748204]

>>1748195
They're at least as much targeted at people who do read but would read more if it were more convenient.

[Anonymous No.1748213]

>>1748173
So you're ready to make a compromise and consider reading books on an e-reader just because it has a nice and shiny cover? This says much about what's more important to you.

[Anonymous No.1748223]

>>1748204
No. People who do read wouldn't read more if it were more convenient, convienience isn't an issue.

I'm not taking sides here, but I work in a chain bookstore and I have to promote and sell e-readers and from all my encounters with customers, it's those who don't really read who buy them or those who go off travelling.

People still really love books and I don't think it's luddism. You can't call a kid with his ipod and blackberry who comes in to buy books a "luddite."

[Anonymous No.1748224]

>>1748195
laughingwhores.jpg
>mfw in your last sentence you just dismissed yourself

[Anonymous No.1748228]

> mfw /lit/'s e-readers really are aspie and butthurt and I'm an excellent troll
this is gonna be the best summer ever, /lit/!

[Anonymous No.1748229]

>>1748223
>work in a bookstore

That is -exactly- why you see so few people with e-readers. Most of them don't need to go into stores. The kind of people that get e-readers buy online in the first place. You're more likely to find them at home or in a place visited for atmosphere more than anything.

[Anonymous No.1748230]

> mfw /lit/'s e-readers really are aspie and butthurt and I'm an excellent troll
this is gonna be the best summer ever, /lit/!

[Anonymous No.1748238]

>>1748229
Yeah that's fair, I realize I'm probably biased and people probably buy a lot of e-readers online but these are my experiences with e-reader customers. It seems like there's a lot of novelty involved that attracts people and I kind of feel guilty when I sell them because they're dropping 200 and I don't see these people actually making it worthwhile.

just my 0.02$

[Anonymous No.1748240]

>>1748223
>No. People who do read wouldn't read more if it were more convenient, convienience isn't an issue.

I read a lot before I got my e-reader and I read more now that I have it. Not that anecdotal evidence matters.

[Anonymous No.1748251]

>>1748238
I think you're right that for a lot of people it's a novelty item. The people who will make use of it are the ones who already enjoy reading, in the same way that a digital music player will probably not be worth the money for someone who just doesn't listen to much music.

[Anonymous No.1748252]

>>1748223

>those who go off traveling

THANK YOU...yes that's the main reason I wanted mine. I don't like toting along several books, a laptop and a music player when I have to be away for awhile, and is less cumbersome than the laptop.

[Anonymous No.1748257]

I just got an ereader (kindle, took 3 days to ship even though website said 6-12 business days)

I don't understand what's so bad about them...

[Anonymous No.1748261]

>>1748240
Like I said, 4channers are a rare and special breed. But again, maybe not. I've probably sold a lot of e-readers to people who read a lot and do the whole physical book and e-book thing at once and haven't realized it, although I don't get that impression.

[Anonymous No.1748273]

>>1748257
I think the whole conflict is that e-readers don't see any disadvantages while book readers don't see any advantages and neither is going to convince the other but lots of poop can be thrown around.

As long as everyone's reading and I still have my low-wage part-time job at my bookstore, I'm ok with this.

[Anonymous No.1748274]

>>1748261
I could be completely wrong here, but I think the people most likely to make good use of an e-reader are the ones who buy them online. The people most likely to consider them more convenient than a run to the store are probably people who already use the internet extensively in their day to day lives.

[Anonymous No.1748299]

>Can't afford books right now
>Asked for Kindle as a gift
>Have already read more in book RRP than the kindle RRP

Fuck off, I don't care if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.1748306]

I haven't got a kindle yet because I like lending books to people and unless more of these people have kindles I won't be able to get a book, read it and then pass it on.

[Anonymous No.1748309]

It's funny how many times I've seen those who are defending ereaders called aspies in this thread considering how those who have emotional attachments to inanimate objects and obsessions with the tactile sensation of pages and holding books fit the profile much better.

That being said: I like both. I will never give up physical books, but it is not always easy to find what I want to read in an instant gratification manner, and having an ereader made buying books for school & reading pdfs for papers much easier this semester

[Anonymous No.1748316]

>>1748309
protip: your school has a library with everything you need. if you're smart enough you'll go there before all the other fucks and get your books

it's what i do, haven't bought a book/textbook since first year. feels good man

[Anonymous No.1748317]

>>1748274

You have something here. When I go to a bookstore I tend to get overwhelmed and forget what I came for in the first place, then have to worry about how long I have before I have to go to work. What I do like about e-readers is that I can browse at 3am and buy whatever catches my fancy at the moment. This is nice since I work nights and sleep during the day and don't have to worry about getting to the bookstore before it closes.

Wouldn't bring it to the beach with me though. A real book isn't defeated by sand and sun so easily!

[Anonymous No.1748326]

>>1748316
You're working on the assumption that my school doesn't suck... which it does. So thanks for the suggestion & all, but seeing as most of the things that are usable in the library are their electronic resources, the ereader does in fact make the crappy library more useful and reinforces my opinion. I felt like a total piece of shit having to print out things, since I can't concentrate on reading from a computer screen

[Anonymous No.1748340]

>>1748316
>protip: your school has a library with everything you need. if you're smart enough you'll go there before all the other fucks and get your books

Do you have any idea how many classes I've had where some of the material was in PDFs that the school did not have print copies of? I imagine the poster you're replying to has encountered the same trend in university classes.

[Anonymous No.1750080]

Holy shit is this board easily trolled.

Bumpan' from page 14 so more people will rage.

[Anonymous No.1750095]

>>1747721
lol look at this faggot seriousposting in a troll thread

You aren't smart, read more, think more etc. plz