/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17467115]

any literature out there that will explain woke capitalism?

[Anonymous No.17467211]

>you can sell more of your product to a global customer base than to a local one

There, the explanation in one sentence, you’re welcome

[Anonymous No.17467261]

>>17467211
This is it. It's nothing to do with politics, they're doing it because they believe it will help make them more money. If sniffing your own shit was a big thing online, McDonald's would have corporate slogans boasting about the aroma of their stools.

[Anonymous No.17467307]

Free advertising. Pure and simple. It costs nothing for ExxonMobil to say Black lives matter or we respect democratic traditions and yet they gain free publicity

[Anonymous No.17467320]

society of the spectacle
especially the part about recuperation

[Anonymous No.17467321]

>>17467261
>because they believe it will help make them more money.
Is there actual data on this? Does it really help for them to say this stuff when many potential customers don't like it

[Anonymous No.17467326]

>>17467115
That’s just neoliberalism lol, it’s only “woke” because it’s social stances are fine tuned to accumulate capital and correspond to current sociocultural “standards”

[Anonymous No.17467327]

>>17467211
>>17467261
>global customer base
Branding themselves as “modern and progressive” is alienating to anyone who isn’t an American or Western European.
Do you think Latinos, Arabs, sub-Saharan Africans, Slavs, Asians and Polynesians give a shit about being PC and progressive?
This is clearly to spread an ideology to the populace

[Anonymous No.17467338]

>>17467326
>>17467115
Liberals are Marxist’s

[Anonymous No.17467340]

>>17467261
>>17467211
>>17467307
>haha corporations have no agenda nothing to see here just ads :^)

[Anonymous No.17467344]

>>17467321
BLM has high approval ratings from liberals and under 30 people (even after all the riots, they were even higher initially in the summer), that's why they do it. BLM activists are also very loud on social media, so they can make certain "woke tweets" go viral or get high engagement.

https://civiqs.com/results/black_lives_matter?annotations=true&uncertainty=true&zoomIn=true

[Anonymous No.17467352]

>>17467338
lmao. well, okay, fine. i should have seen it coming: midwit responses for a midwit thread.

[Anonymous No.17467355]

>>17467115
the top 10 books of every category

[Anonymous No.17467361]

>>17467344
Liberals under 30 aren't people

[Anonymous No.17467364]

>>17467321
its a pr thing and "corporate social responsibility"

they can do a couple tweets to hop on the whole "#georgefloyd" thing when it gets trendy and donate to a blm group as a tax writeoff claiming theyre doing something to help when they are exploiting third world laborers behind the scenes

[Anonymous No.17467381]

>>17467364
Its exactly this. Its all stunts. They don't give a shit about anything but their bottom line. Apple can say BLM and at the same time use cheap asain labour to build their products. Banks can say they support democratic institutions and the democratic exchange of power while funding terrorism.

[Anonymous No.17467391]

>>17467344
Yeah but a lot of people don't like BLM. Why not say nothing at all, which will attract no more attention than a handful of twitter lunatics, and then you keep both sides as customers.

[Anonymous No.17467404]

>>17467115
We can't do any serious analysis nowadays, Marxism had been dead for quite a while and then has been made into an animated corpse to serve this exact "woke capitalism", and other schools of thoughts have never provided any real tools to study the phenomenon of capitalism at all. The best you can get is >>17467320

[Anonymous No.17467430]

>>17467391
Because their data probably shows that their key demographic consumers would like to hear that.

[Anonymous No.17467438]

>>17467364
>>17467381
this is the beauty of capitalism, it integrates all critique and outright pilfers the movements that intend to reject it.

[Anonymous No.17467440]

>>17467327
They market themselves differently in different regions, in Latin America for example they are silent on political issues and the such
>>17467340
I don't think that's the point. It's not so much that they've got no agenda but rather that their agenda is whatever will make them money

[Anonymous No.17467441]

>>17467115
>woke capitalism
Utilizing "social justice" "Awareness" imagery and doctrine in marketing and advertising.
Nothing else changes about the company.

[Anonymous No.17467442]

>>17467430
This is the data I would like to see because I don't really buy it. Idk why the idea that these powerful institutions would make moves other than purely just selling stuff is seen as implausible. These elites all know and help each other.

[Anonymous No.17467444]

>>17467391
In the urban centers though they have high support, which is where a lot of these companies are trying to market like Nike or Mcdonalds. Nike obviously isn't "woke" or "leftist" though, as they are a company that relies on exploiting third world labor so some white American ceos can profit.

[Anonymous No.17467452]

>>17467340
There definitely is some sort of hidden motive, trust me I've seen it directly, but even the propagandistic motives behind it (which I assume you'll refer to the interracial white woman black man phenom and the 'white people bad' ads) are also to sell more stuff. Understand it like this: if more people 'racemix' then you are reducing cultural difference and working towards a more universal society, ethnic similarities encourage cultural similarities which make it easier for people to market to. American women have already been manipulated to serve LGBT, BLM, etc. all the 'woke' causes and their behavior in real life, via birthing, marriage and working trends, reflects this. Yes, there IS "propaganda" to change society, but it is inevitable and it was/will be coming *anyway.* Corporations are just trying to be one step ahead of the curve, but I promise you, the 'hidden agenda,' the one which you think is designed to "eliminate white people" had eliminating white people as a side effect, not as the main cause. Think about it, by 'racemixing' you'd also have to be eliminating black people and hispanics too no? It's just to make marketing and consumerism easier. It's pretty much that simple. The tough part is getting 95% of the population to realize that.

[Anonymous No.17467470]

>>17467338
I think you are confusing the Frankfurt school with the Chicago school lol. Do you recall Milton Friedman lecturing on the horrors of alienation, advocating against privatization, or detailing the exploitative role that capitalists play in dialectical materialism?

[Anonymous No.17467473]

>>17467442
But that's what he's saying: they only promote BLM because their target group is attracted by BLM and catching customer's attention is the first step to get them to purchase.

[Anonymous No.17467475]

>>17467438
Ive been thinking about that recently and its so true its startling. Every form of rejection of capitalism has been absorbed into it and transformed into something that can be used to solidify gain

[Anonymous No.17467486]

>>17467452
They pretty clearly don't want there to be any majority white countries, and I don't think it's just about consumers. I think they(maybe rightly) see majority white countries as potential dangers if anything like 1930s Germany surfaces again.

also racemixing is a meme, the problem(if you consider it a problem) is low birth rates and immigration, mixing is a drop in the bucket.

[Anonymous No.17467493]

For real tho, recommend actual books, OP is interested, while I'd actually like to sell narratives for a living. Woke or unwoke, idc.

[Anonymous No.17467494]

>>17467452
>if more people 'racemix' then you are reducing cultural difference and working towards a more universal society, ethnic similarities encourage cultural similarities which make it easier for people to market to.
does it make it easier to market to people? does it truly make anything easier? might it actually create MORE divisions? seems like a flawed premise to me.

[Anonymous No.17467497]

mcdonalds food kills poor people (and black people) with its unhealthy content leading to obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, and myriads of health problems.

The food is very accessible and poor quality. They are able to push their slop so effectively due to low prices, industrialized slaughterhouse to machine mass production process that churns out tons of shit patties at a rapid pace to supply the world, their ubiquitous advertising machine shoving their cancer in your face, and msg infused in to keep customers craving it

[Anonymous No.17467510]

>>17467494
it would create a more unified homogenous consumer base that can be more easily manipulated or have less cultural divisions by ethnic lines

[Anonymous No.17467537]

>>17467340
There really isn’t. It’s just the system’s accumulation of capital. The only reason why it causes so much conflict and controls so much of our lives, is because that helps the system. They will liberalize socially if it works in giving more money and power to them, but they’ll also promote traditionalism if that works more. But either way, the agenda is only pushed as far as it needs to be for the intended benefits in terms of capital accumulation and power. Notice how neoliberal government is very half assed with enforcing real progressive or traditional social policies, and focuses more on generic appeals to tradition or liberalism, while economically focusing on concentrating power among the government and largest corporations.

[Anonymous No.17467543]

>>17467537
Why do you guys think power is reducible to money?

[Anonymous No.17467547]

[Anonymous No.17467577]

>>17467494
see
>>17467510

[Anonymous No.17467604]

>>17467510
in theory.

[Anonymous No.17467612]

>>17467486
you're correct in believe that they may see majority 'white' countries as a threat, but the "racemixing" thing is absolutely not a meme; it is pretty clearly everywhere in advertising, and as I stated, its function is to reduce distinction between groups of people in order to market more effectively. You even mention this yourself: you state
>the problem(if you consider it a problem) is low birth rates and immigration, mixing is a drop in the bucket.
The "diversity," which ironically enough is meant to create a homogenous society constructed out of heterogenous components (I refer you to the color you make when you mix the color spectrum together repeatedly; it will look the same with enough mixing, despite its components looking very distinct), being created as a function of the "problem," which you call low birth rates and immigration; the homogenous society will come from the mixing with immigrants and if you look closely enough at the birth rates, you'll find they are only low for whites, not for multi-racial couples nor for immigrants.

[Anonymous No.17467618]

>>17467115
That Vampire Castle book by Fisher.

[Anonymous No.17467630]

>>17467543
I don’t mean that it is solely reducible to money. But they go quite hand in hand. In the current age, Capital is the main instrument of power. How could there be a real authority without influence or control over capital? I don’t see moneyless societies or anarcho-communists being a position of power at the moment. China does build off of a care not based on just money alone, but the party, CCP, though they still focus on controlling and accumulating capital so that they maintain their power.

[Anonymous No.17467638]

>>17467115
The Parasitic Mind by Gad Saad, if you don't mind a book heavy on information.

[Anonymous No.17467640]

>>17467604
on the contrary: in practice; all you have to do is witness the growth of consumption relative to the American GDP since the 1960s (when mass non-European immigration was legislated and established, primarily by Kennedy); consumption ramped up, as did obesity rates (avarice (consumerism) expressed through gluttony), as did credit usage. You need to have an understanding for America's financial system in order to understand its social happenings; the social follows the financial, not vice versa. Everything is driven by money.

[Anonymous No.17467650]

>>17467115

[Anonymous No.17467660]

matthew yglesias the case for one billion americans

[Anonymous No.17467661]

>>17467612
Race mixing is a meme because it accounts for too small a proportion of whites to matter. White birth rates are low regardless of whether the children are mixed or white, but the vast majority are just white.

[Anonymous No.17467669]

http://www.datawranglers.com/negations/issues/96w/96w_peretti.html

[Anonymous No.17467674]

>>17467630
That's what I mean though, in China the CCP will tell corporations to do something that might not maximize their profits. I think there is a similar, but less direct, process informing these Western corporations signalling this prog stuff.

[Anonymous No.17467722]

>>17467674
prog signaling = compliance with the Civil Rights Act. Comply or get regulated out of existence.

[Anonymous No.17467739]

>>17467640
i just feel there are extenuating factors. does america have the prestige it once did? immigration rates have diminished recently, partially because of trump but also because of fumbled covid coverage, social unrest, etc. i just think things are more complicated than presented. i'm not misunderstanding the principle, i just question the outcome.

[Anonymous No.17467754]

>>17467404
>What do we do about this capitalism guys?
>Blaming the pandering to retards instead of the retards for being retards in the first place

[Anonymous No.17467786]

>>17467722
The CRA doesn't require you to promote BLM. Actually the CRA is extremely vague in general and has been interpreted in a number of different ways by courts.

[Anonymous No.17467795]

>>17467754
the culture war is far from the only problem of capitalism

[Anonymous No.17467874]

>>17467115
Not really. There are Marxist critiques of liberal feminism and liberalism.

Woke capitalism isnt a serious topic really worth studying, its just general marketing so there isnt much to think about.

Its only literal retards like PragerU and Jordan Peterdson that get paranoid schizo about it

[Anonymous No.17467887]

>>17467638
Lmao that guy is a fucking clown.

There really isnt a 'culture war' but watch conservatives think there is and waste their lives is a delight.

[Anonymous No.17467888]

>>17467874
>capitalism isn't a serious topic really worth studying
>only literal retards get paranoid schizo about it

[Anonymous No.17467901]

>>17467674
I think their signaling is mostly centered towards individualist power chasing, building off of populist energy. China’s signals for action, neoliberalism signals empty signs that work off of people’s devotion to them, like neoliberal progressivism or “populism” for instance. China is more oriented towards steering the national collective into a higher position by centering the national structure of power in the nation around the CCP and its principles. The party signals what the national collective should follow as standard, but power in neoliberalism on the other hand has no interest in the national collective besides extracting capital and gaining power from social appeal (via prog/trad signaling depending on the time). Now China does take part in social signaling, even empty social signaling, but it’s still for the party’s interest in the growth of the national collective. They are much more willing to be ruthlessly meritocratic, put high standards and competitiveness. Neoliberalism sets the people as a standard and then extracts power from them, CCP is like a ruthless conglomerate for the national collective which all citizens, companies and politicians have to work for.

[Anonymous No.17467912]

>>17467887
Curious, how exactly would you observe a culture war if not in extreme polarization between two political camps, which disagree on culture, down to the nature of the state and nature of human biology?
Gad Saad is a man with many issues, who needlessly escalates the conflicts, but it's pretty extroardinary to claim that there is no war and it's all in his head...

[Anonymous No.17467915]

>>17467888
'woke' capitalism. Op is talking about a very specific form if marketing that makes americans angry, not actual capitalism.

Its such a dumb topic because it means conservatives want to be consoomers but have advertising catered to them, which is a pathetic thing to wsnt

[Anonymous No.17467922]

>>17467452
>it is inevitable and it was/will be coming
No it's not, you say this because you've been propagandized to believe this historical view. This is what globohomo wants you to believe.

[Anonymous No.17467928]

>>17467887
>Extremely rational scientist who basis his opinion on logical evidence
>Clown

>There really isnt a 'culture war'
Have you had your head in the sand these past 4 years?

[Anonymous No.17467932]

>>17467650
Wait Peikoff wrote about western decline? Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.17467935]

>>17467661
This was true 10 years ago, but things are changing fast. Go to any big western European city and nearly half of the white population is dating non-whites.

[Anonymous No.17467940]

>>17467928
What exactky do you really think is the extent of the current 'culture war'? Can you describe this new sutuation?

[Anonymous No.17467958]

>>17467935
Any stats on that because I doubt it

[Anonymous No.17467968]

>>17467940
You literally have to be, blind, deaf or retarded to not see were in a culture war. Just look at the shit that's gone on with twitter the past month.

[Anonymous No.17467970]

>>17467935
lol thats fake and retarded

[Anonymous No.17467973]

>>17467940
Have you noticed the tens of thousands of soldiers in the capitol? That's because of the 'culture war'

[Anonymous No.17467979]

>>17467968
On Twitter? The Past Month!? What happened in the big culture war please tell me!

[Anonymous No.17467985]

>>17467940
Competing narratives with completely opposite takes on a single set of facts? Such as riot in DC good but riot in DC bad, targeting race good but targeting race bad, old racist politician good but old racist politician bad... I was about to say that the only thing not affected by culture war is food and dogs, but then I remembered articles about cultural appropriation of cuisine and the race dynamics of walking dogs...

[Anonymous No.17467993]

>>17467973
Not at all. That was a frustrated group letting off steam b/c their side lost. This happens hundreds of times a year around the world after elections or poltical action. Protest might be calmer now than any time in years if you think about it. Who out this 'culture war' junk in your head?

[Anonymous No.17468001]

>>17467115

Explaining capitalism is enough to explain woke capitalism, so just Fisher, Fredric Jameson, Ellul, etc.

Most posts ITT are pretty spot on really, except the ones claiming a hidden motive schizo shit. The schizo shit about Capital being sentient and deterritorializing the very core of human social wellbeing through massive atomizing advertisements is more plausible than (((other theories))).

Capitalism seeks efficiency through its spread of product normalization and consumption. To reach this it co-opts whatever antagonizes itself so that such antagonizing force may actually act in favor of the production-transaction-consumption model. Think of Occupy Wall St. first having Zizek speak on it and then becoming a woke identitarian movement for minorities to cater to, for instance. In this new co-opted state, Occupy can be safely defended by the very organizations and conglomerates which were originally being attacked by the directed rage of people. The rage has been turned against each other so that it can be exploited by the system rather than force it to change.

But this is not a secret cabal plot by CEOs or their broker banks, as I assure you they are as dumb as the next person. Rather, this is an emergent effect of capital's tendency to atomize individuals, spread them away from their cultural roots, finally rebranding culture itself in a form that may be distributed to a larger amount than its initial intended set. Think of white people kneeling on BLM marches and discourses of being "feminist allies, LGBT+ allies", and so on. This is not a plot by Marxist villains wanting everyone to become trans but just a capitalist tendency to, after having atomized both whites and non-whites from whatever original notions of culture they might have had in this case (e.g nationality and ancestrality, which becomes a new "woke" form of ancestrality unrelated to their actual grandparents), have a rebranded version, tamer, spread back into the people who have no choice but to accept whatever crumbs of identity they are given (they no longer have one to speak of, after all).

[Anonymous No.17468006]

>>17467985
People disagree? Some big brained genius realized people disagree huh? Wow i guess im pretty dumb for not realizing.

[Anonymous No.17468010]

>>17467115
Mark fischer

[Anonymous No.17468015]

>>17467993
The group is frustrated because they believe the election was stolen because they have diverged culturally so far from the other side that they no longer believe any of the same information sources and have completely different values.

When did the US president last get inaugurated with 10s of thousands of soldiers protecting him and nobody allowed near the ceremony?

[Anonymous No.17468047]

>>17467993
They tried to keep their guy in power despite losing and seize the capitol when they were confirming the other guy's victory. That's a borderline coup. That's worse than just some protest.

[Anonymous No.17468056]

>>17467958
>>17467970
Don't have stats, how are you going to measure that? But it's been that way for the past 3-5 years or so. Just observation, what happens in middle schools and universities. Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Brussels, London. But also most other large cities such as Liverpool, The Hague, Cologne.
Whites ages 25 and up mostly date other whites, but younger than 25 it's about a third to nearly half that date other races. In Western Europe it's mostly North Africans and Arabs, but also Africans and Asians. The propaganda is working as intended.
Most upper class people still date other whites, but middle class people are well indoctrinated with white guilt. Lower class people aren't as bad as middle class with the dating, but they're being replaced by immigrants anyway.
Go to any of the cities I mentioned to see the proof. Rural towns and villages are still mostly immune for now, but unless things change they'll end up the same.

[Anonymous No.17468057]

>>17468006
>People disagree
If that's all you managed to understand, thank you for trying and have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.17468080]

>>17468056
>how are you going to measure that?
By looking at the births obviously. Any country apart from France should have those stats, shouldn't even be hard to find. I know in the US it's something like 90% of whites who have kids have white kids.

[Anonymous No.17468085]

>>17468056
>middle schools
Why the fuck are you observing middle school dating patterns

[Anonymous No.17468090]

>>17468057
Your culture war narrative is falling apart. Who out the idea of its existence into your head? How are they profiting off your fear?

[Anonymous No.17468096]

>>17467940
Dumbest post in the thread.

[Anonymous No.17468116]

>>17468080
>>17468080
>By looking at the births obviously.
I told you, this is from the last 5 years or so, and mostly ages 25 and younger, they're not having many kids yet. I was talking purely about dating.
It's not surprising though, having recently been to various middle schools in a particular European country, in the big cities more than a third of the kids in school are non-white. Mostly North African, Middle Eastern, but also African (especially France) and Asian, but also increasingly mixed-race. Also not as big of an issue in rural areas yet.
>>17468085
I was a teacher until recently, I'm a bit of an autist so I just register these kinds of things

[Anonymous No.17468132]

>>17468090
I can't tell if you're just having a good time shitposting or if you actually can't grasp the concept. Either way, based and frogpilled.

[Anonymous No.17468170]

>>17467115
Woke capitalism is just a rebranding of the fascist supercapitalism.

[Anonymous No.17468220]

All the people trying to deflect onto capitalism should explain why most of the left wing "labour" parties in the anglo world have sold out their traditional powerbase of organised labour, and spaces in academia previously dominated by rank and file marxists have been invaded by lowest common denominator wokesters. It isn't just companies that are transforming.

[Anonymous No.17468254]

>>17467901
>but power in neoliberalism on the other hand has no interest in the national collective besides extracting capital and gaining power from social appeal
That's what I don't agree with. I don't think power in the West is just money anymore than it is in China, there is a state in the US, they make laws, they control a military and police force, they tax people and corporations etc. These are institutions with their own interests and agendas.

[Anonymous No.17468361]

>>17467452
Yeah, this is it. Capitalism overcame the bulwark of the state in the mid to late 20th century, now the final bulwark (that is hindering it from achieving perpetual growth) is the divisions of race, culture, etc. Capitalism (and by extension the elite) requires homogenization. Of course, there is a hidden motive, but what do they have to lose by embracing wokism? What right wing person or even the average joe is really going to boycott Mcdonalds, by now it's so ubiquitous that it doesn't even register in your mind. It requires literally no real exertion of effort or resources on their behalf, all they have to do is post a black square. Post a black square and continue to exploit the brown masses in third world countries (without being critisized) . Seems like an easy choice to me.

[Anonymous No.17468384]

>>17467475
Not Marxist-Leninism though, for the simple fact that it was the only ideology which threatened it in any meaningful way.

[Anonymous No.17468385]

>>17468170
>this thing that freaks out constantly about the slightest hint of fascism and moves to crush it is actually fascism

[Anonymous No.17468413]

>>17468384
Really because I seem to recall that the capitalist countries allied with the Marxist-Leninist country in order to combat the Fascist countries. I also notice that you face absolutely no consequences for shouting about Marxist-Leninism as much as you like in capitalist societies, you can shill it in newspapers, academia, moves, social media, whatever you like, again unlike fascism.

[Anonymous No.17468433]

>>17467795
The only problem of capitalism is cronyism, and that's a problem of the state, not the market.

[Anonymous No.17468443]

>>17468220
>explain why most of the left wing "labour" parties in the anglo world have sold out their traditional powerbase of organised labour, and spaces in academia previously dominated by rank and file marxists have been invaded by lowest common denominator wokesters. It isn't just companies that are transforming.
So they can make more money? They have completely and utterly neutered the left. Literally no one on the left even cares about the fiscal side of politics anymore. In 2008 the left had occupy wall street, now they are called class reductionists if they don't pander to niggers. But you are correct, this isn't just serving the interest of the elites by allowing them to make more money, capitalism is only a relatively small factor behind the social engineering that is occurring. It's much more multifaceted.

[Anonymous No.17468448]

>>17468413
>the capitalist countries allied with the Marxist-Leninist country in order to combat the Fascist countries.
Irrelevant, they both knew they would be at each other's throats as soon as the war was over.
>I also notice that you face absolutely no consequences for shouting about Marxist-Leninism as much as you like in capitalist societies, you can shill it in newspapers, academia, moves, social media, whatever you like, again unlike fascism.
This isn't true. You can advocate for anarchism, social democracy and democratic socialism all you want, but the moment you mention Lenin, Mao or Stalin you are persona non grata. Citing Lenin in an academic paper has the same effect as citing Ayn Rand, it's academic suicide.

[Anonymous No.17468453]

>>17468361
>perpetual growth
meme
die nigger

[Anonymous No.17468482]

>>17468433
lol

[Anonymous No.17468497]

>>17468448
If it was irrelevant then why not side with Fascists against the bigger threat of ML? It's quite clear that Fascists were considered a real threat as well, and after the war it became a concern to root out domestic Fascists(yes and domestic communists).

[Anonymous No.17468682]

>>17468482
>No argument

[Anonymous No.17468696]

if capitalism itself isn't the problem then what is?

[Anonymous No.17468754]

>>17467261
Yeah I'm sure Netflix kept "Cuties" on their service cause they thought it fit a larger money making plan and Twitter banned Trump and buttfucked their brand so they could appeal to more users. You fucking idiots need to realize /pol/ is in fact sometimes right, these big corporations do not need to work by capitalism rules anymore they're too big to fail. It's not about making money it's about sending a message. Otherwise you wouldn't do something that rules in 10-25% of your users getting pissed off and then have to explain to your investors why your woke moment was so important for business.

[Anonymous No.17468845]

>>17467115
Digital Libido by Alexander Bard.

In the digital world we hate individualism and marketing. We throw ads in the spam folder, we don't click on the ads when we search for something on google and we hate salesmen. We let the algorithms decide what we want. Companies are desperate for attention in this digital world ruled by algorithms. So they will go with anything that they think will get them attention.

[Anonymous No.17468888]

>>17468385
Supercapitalism is the attempt by fascists to explain away the social instability generated by capitalism by positing the existence of a "bad" or "deviant" form of capitalism (crony capitalism, woke capitalism, misinterpretations of what neo-liberalism is, etc.) rather than trying to come to grips with the notion of creative destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx3MKue1EWQ

[Anonymous No.17468936]

>It's about capitalism vs Socialism
Lit is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.17469050]

>>17468453
What? So what is the goal of capitalism if not continual growth? How is this a meme? Are you saying that companies do not want to create profit? They just want their profits to stagnate?

[Anonymous No.17469294]

>>17467473
and anon was saying that he doesn't find it implausible that big business elites might be working together for something beyond short-sighted profit.
If it were really all about pandering to a potential market, why hasn't any brand tried to appeal to the other side?

[Anonymous No.17469303]

>>17469294
there are some that do. new balance was emphasizing being a pro trump american company. theres also the freaking mypillows lol

[Anonymous No.17469304]

>>17469050
asking what the goal of capitalism seems like asking what the goal of nature is. It's not a planned system.

[Anonymous No.17469308]

>>17469303
Fair point about New Balance. I disagree that MyPillow is a ploy, that guy seems pretty sincere

[Anonymous No.17469312]

>>17469294
There was that Goya Beans company that led to Trumpers and Ivanka posting pictures holding up Goya bean cans to own the libs

[Anonymous No.17469331]

>>17468888
But there are 'good' and 'bad' forms of capitalism in a sense, the basic form of wage labor is not evil to most of us, but 99% of people who are explained what central and investment banks actually get up to find them immoral, and monopolies are also seen in a negative light.

I know you guys think that all wage labor is exploitation but surely even you can see the difference between outright usury and like a business that pays a reasonable wage. Equating these two things as just 'capitalism' misses a significant distinction.

[Anonymous No.17469337]

>>17469331
central banking is not capitalism

[Anonymous No.17469340]

>>17469304
Yeah true, my bad.

[Anonymous No.17469344]

>>17469303
exceptions don't disprove his theory, why do majority of the companies signal their support for groups like blm?

[Anonymous No.17469346]

>>17469337
...excuse me?

[Anonymous No.17469360]

>>17469346
both central banking and non-centralized banking are compatible with capitalism, at least with the definition
>an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

[Anonymous No.17469366]

>>17468696
Society in general. It's absurd to blame capitalism. If people voted with their money rather than with their mouth perhaps things would start changing.

People whine about McDonalds yet they eat McDicks three times a week. People whine about clothes being made in third world countries under bad conditions for the workers yet they keep buying the very same clothes month after month.

Also, MMT and central banking is hardly capitalism. You're more so living in some socialist-corporatist world where government decides who succeeds and who fails.

[Anonymous No.17469375]

>>17469366
That's not really socialism. Corporatism is closer to fascism ironically

[Anonymous No.17469382]

>>17469375
Fascism stems from Marxism. It's socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.17469388]

>>17469337
Well it's considered part of capitalism by Marxists whenever I talk to them, it forms part of the economic policy they call neoliberalism.

[Anonymous No.17469398]

>>17469360
oh, ok. i didn't know i was talking to someone from a hundred years ago.

[Anonymous No.17469416]

>>17469398
what's the hip new definition of capitalism?

[Anonymous No.17469428]

>>17469388
I wish they wouldn't. Central banking causes way more problems than the free market in general and its abolition is something both sides should be agree on

[Anonymous No.17469506]

>>17469416
pretty sure it's defined by the systems that facilitate and regulate capital.

[Anonymous No.17469544]

>>17468056
Even if it were true, what's the problem with that?

[Anonymous No.17469554]

>>17469506
different use of the word "definition" from mine. Give me a definition of capitalism in greentext.

[Anonymous No.17469559]

>>17469544
If that trend keeps up the world will no longer have white people

[Anonymous No.17469569]

>>17469559
... and that's a (((good))) thing.

[Anonymous No.17469609]

why did judith butler donate to kamala harris

[Anonymous No.17469638]

>>17467543
>Why do you guys think power is reducible to money?
Bill Gates literally owns more farmland than anyone else in America, he could literally cause famines if he wanted.

[Anonymous No.17469650]

>>17467543
its called capitalism, capital is the main driver of power

[Anonymous No.17469654]

>>17469638
Bill Gates owns .026% of the farmland in America. That's still pretty wild, but he could hardly cause a famine with that

[Anonymous No.17469665]

>>17469554
>it's ass

[Anonymous No.17469670]

>>17469654
t. Bill Gates
missed a few decimal places there buddy?

[Anonymous No.17469677]

>>17469670
I'm too busy having sex with my international harem selected according to empirically verified vaginal tightness and manufacturing mind control chip vaccines to complete the next stage of our project. Tootles, Steve.

[Anonymous No.17469694]

>>17469670
Bill Gates owns 242,000 of America's 897,400,000 acres of farmland

[Anonymous No.17469736]

>>17469694
That's prime real estate

[Anonymous No.17469747]

>>17469736
farmland is usually a good investment

[Anonymous No.17469777]

>>17469428
>>17469388
Central banks roles in society differ greatly depending on the country. Some central banks even in capitalist societies have been in favour of more planned economies but most modern central banks are pushing free market economics (letting US financial institutions pillage domestic industries). Read Princes of Yen.

[Anonymous No.17469788]

>>17469777
If a central bank is able to influence economics in a direction it desires, isn't that planned?

[Anonymous No.17469830]

>>17469777
>Some central banks even in capitalist societies have been in favour of more planned economies but most modern central banks are pushing free market economics
False retard.

Virtually every single central bank is operating the same way and it's not free market. Free market requires no central bank to begin with.

[Anonymous No.17469838]

>>17469830
and how many free market economies exist

[Anonymous No.17469842]

>>17469838
Today? Pretty much none. The world is one big socialist-corporatist shithole thanks partly to central banking.

[Anonymous No.17469843]

>>17469830

>Real capitalism hasn't been tried yet

[Anonymous No.17469847]

>>17469650
>power is reducible to money because capitalism is the main driver of power
>tautology
Marxists in the 21st century are so fucking useless, but ultimately that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17469850]

>>17469843
Name a country with a free market.

[Anonymous No.17469853]

>>17469843
Who are you quoting? There are plenty of good examples where free market capitalism flourished.

To claim that central banks are pushing free market economics when the existence of a central bank is the antithesis to a free market is absurd.

[Anonymous No.17469856]

>>17469842
...which exists because unconstrained capitalism has been exposed.

[Anonymous No.17469857]

>>17469856
>unconstrained capitalism has been exposed
what does that mean?

[Anonymous No.17469861]

>>17469544
I don't want (my) people being replaced in their own homelands. I'm pretty biased of course but I think Europeans are some of the most inventive and unique peoples in the world (not to mention the highest concentration of non-black hair and non-brown eyes in the world), and it would be a shame if they were to disappear, which will happen if these trends continue.

[Anonymous No.17469863]

>>17469857
Talking to anticapitalists is so painful. You have my sympathy.

[Anonymous No.17469864]

>>17469856
It exists because it's a good way to increase and hold on to power.

Capitalism has been exposed as incredibly powerful and valuable, not least to the common man.

[Anonymous No.17469877]

>>17469830
You're worse than the people who say communism has never been tried. It's not binary and more a spectrum, the fact is that in Japan post war the central bank had a more planned economy then knowingly created a crisis to move the country towards US style capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17469880]

>>17467115
Capitalist realism
Simulacra and Simulation
Fatal strategies
Society of the Spectacle
Culture of Narcissism
Ghosts of my Life
The Revolt of the Elites

But of all of them I would start with Culture of Narcissism.

[Anonymous No.17469881]

>>17469877
Your post is not relevant to my post. Try again.

[Anonymous No.17469887]

>>17469881

From

>real free market hasn't been tried yet

to

>not an argument

In just a couple posts

[Anonymous No.17469891]

>>17469887
Still not relevant to anything I posted.

[Anonymous No.17469898]

>>17469842
>>17469856
>>17469857
I'm in favour of capitalism but you guys are retarded. In a perfectly free market, rich and powerful people would be able to take control of institutions to influence said market. This is exactly what has happened with central banks who have no elected bodies and typically follow the wishes of the international financial cabal over their government.

[Anonymous No.17469906]

>>17469891
You're saying central banks aren't part of free market capitalism when I gave you an example of how free-market capitalists used central banks to move a planned economy towards free-market capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17469907]

>>17468754
>It's not about making money it's about sending a message.
the message of cuties is that it's wrong to sexualize teen girls
and that's a pretty stupid message, considering we used to marry and fuck pre teens forever until the early 20th century when feminists lobbied for age of consent laws, dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.17469912]

>>17469898
>In a perfectly free market, rich and powerful people would be able to take control of institutions to influence said market
Any proof of this?

The only place where this happens is in non-free markets, thanks to government intervening in the economy.

>>17469906
Central banks are anti free market. In a free market there would be no central banks in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17469916]

>>17469382
>fascism is socialism for the rich
take ur head out of your ass

[Anonymous No.17469920]

>>17469898
The Federal Reserve was an act of congress
I'm in favor of capitalism as well and I actually have no problem with a nationalized centralized bank.

[Anonymous No.17469922]

>>17469916
Who are you quoting? Stop posting imbecile.

[Anonymous No.17469934]

the reason the central bank was created in the first place is because the system was on life support

[Anonymous No.17469959]

>>17469863
i deign to speak to you free market fetishists and this is how you repay me? you're dead in the water. you have nowhere to go. you're fixated on spooks. you'll never hold the reigns to push through your agenda. but peddle your wares on the squid ink tasting forum, don't let me stop you.

[Anonymous No.17469963]

>>17467922
I *used* to think that this was the case, in that it was NOT inevitable and that there was something we could do to stop it as a movement, however, you'll find that trying to get the masses to think differently and preventively is undoable unless you have tremendous influence, which if you're on this website (let's face it), you likely don't. What you ARE right in thinking is that there are little pockets of hope and prosperity; there are small towns and areas where it has not hit and it will never hit, however, sooner or later, most large populations will be affected by it. Buy a ranch, have 10 kids and retire, best advice I can give you.

[Anonymous No.17469967]

>>17469959
The free market is a spook anon

[Anonymous No.17469977]

>>17469922
learn to grammar so you don't confuse me, imbecile

[Anonymous No.17469981]

>>17468361
I'm the user you're responding to. This is pretty much how it's come to be; it is a result of laziness and lack of attentiveness from average people, who you can't really expect to do anything about the "wokeness" (because, let's face it, if they were or did then they wouldn't be 'average'). Globalization is the next phase, it's the reason why Americans see Europeans as "different" and "more liberated" or whatever; Europeans are not that different from America nor is it ahead of America in any regard, America is actually, and geographically, quite literally the 'far West' in that it is at the forefront of the entire West. Spaniards, Brits and even Germans imitate Americans in almost every regard; you can see it now, with Germany for instance, who used to be ridiculously anti-immigration (Germany has historically NEVER been an "immigration country" and quite far from it) is now the golden standard for immigration in Western Europe. Quite sad, hopefully the East will lead better.

[Anonymous No.17469984]

wokism = liberalism

[Anonymous No.17469989]

>>17469912
Yes, read Princes of Yen or watch the documentary on YouTube.

Central banks were literally created by the free market and continue to act in the interest of it. You have such a childish opinion of economics and history, that I've loath to explain this point again. Great Britain is one of the main creators of modern capitalism, one which the world followed. The Bank of England used to be a normal bank which was privately owned, the reason it came into public ownership. Is because in a perfectly free-economy, rich and powerful people are going act for their own interests and when they have private control of bank that operates for the state problems arise.

Go forward a few decades and people wanted to separate out the politics from BoE, making it independent of government. So if they answer to no democratically elected, who do you think they are following if not their ilk in the rest of financial services, hiring consultants from a select firms. Executives literally move through these select firms too (ex. governors working for Deloitte, etc).

This has now happened in serval asian countries that have been forced to reform their economies in the interest of the free-market usually by creating crises that will allow foreign funding. This is not "socialist" or governments influencing it, this is capitalists from the UK/US.

Capitalism is a great economic tool but it only works in markets with low-barriers to entry so competition can work costs down. There's plenty of examples (trains for example) where state/socialist management is much more effective.

[Anonymous No.17469998]

>>17467922

This has nothing to do with globohomos though it does have to do with propaganda. Capitalist tendencies of the product/consume cycle are automated to the point that their spread and consolidation are also automated. This has been going for so long that Jacques Ellul eloquently wrote about it all the way back in 1968 when his examples were still military machinery and typewriters. This is not historical determinism either - it could have been otherwise, but now that it was not otherwise, the evolution is automated and more or less inevitable because no one is actually in hold of it.

[Anonymous No.17470015]

>>17467739
America has never had a true culture; practically speaking, America is essentially what you get when you mix the topmost and most aspirational peoples from the British Isles and Western Europe and Italy (I avoid saying Southern Europe because Iberians barely came to America). Immigration in America is rampant, as in unstoppably rampant, both legal and illegal but especially illegal, mainly Mexicans. I don't think a bit of race-mixing is necessarily bad, it is always good to refresh the gene pool because if you don't then you end up with more diseases and such (this is why so many Ashkenazi Jews and French-Canadians get certain diseases very frequently, because of high intermarriage and little genetic diversity, at least until modern times), however, to the extent which it is happening in America it is setting itself up for a homogenous society of lightish-brownish looking people who will be very easy to market to. Trump tried to slow a train down, he never made any progress nor was it possible for him to have had; the best he could've hoped for was stopping it from railing into society, what he ended up doing it was actually speeding it up.

[Anonymous No.17470025]

Baudrillard's Consumer Society.

[Anonymous No.17470027]

>>17469920
So what? Do congress over see their actions now? Are the officials elected? Are the governors closer to congress or wallstreet? If you actually dig into these people they all move between private and public financial institutions. Their actions would be the same irregardless of who controls the senate or the whitehouse. Just because it's state owned on paper, don't think it isn't run in the interest of free market capitalists.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17470033]

>>17467493
Isn’t this right up Manufacturing Consent’s ally?
Any book on propaganda too.

[Anonymous No.17470034]

>>17470027
No, no, and wallstreet, and I agree that's fucked up. My point was that it wasn't a result of "the free market", it was an act of government

[Anonymous No.17470039]

>>17470034
And who do you think influenced the government to make that decision?

[Anonymous No.17470055]

>>17469977
Kill yourself.

>>17469989
>read this
>watch that
How about you argue instead?

Central banks were not created by the free market you imbecile, it's inherently anti free. In a free market you don't have a central bank. What is so hard to grasp about this concept?

>Is because in a perfectly free-economy, rich and powerful people are going act for their own interests
This is every human being ever regardless of wealth. The difference is in a free market they answer to the people, in a non-free market they can do whatever they want because should anything happen to them they get bailed out. The best way to control corporations is through a free market. Every time the government has the power to regulate business, business will control government.

>There's plenty of examples (trains for example) where state/socialist management is much more effective.
And yet back here in reality the number of such examples equate to a nice sum of zero.

[Anonymous No.17470062]

>>17467115
They submitted to cultural marxism that has eroded the West constantly since the failed revolution of 68.
>muh capitalism
Never the State has been so powerful as it is today. Most European countries are functionnally socialist states with public spending into the 50% of the GDP.
All of this is ideological. It's marxism trying to achieve the revolution through the new proletariat of non-whites, LGBT, etc. The aim never changed: destroy western civilisation.

[Anonymous No.17470072]

>>17470039
Nelson Aldrich, A. Piatt Andrew, Henry Davison, Arthur Shelton, Frank Vanderlip and Paul Warburg

[Anonymous No.17470099]

>>17470055
He asked for proof so I recommended a book that is properly researched with references. I forgot that posts from an anonymous poster are much more valuable when you are in favour of meme economic systems.

>without central banks the people would have power
I've literally just given you a historic example why it had to be pulled central control because when private shareholders control a body that has state functions, such as issuing currency you get problems.

>such examples equate to a nice sum of zero
I literally just gave you an example, the privatisation of the railway and postal service has been a nightmare in the UK. Also the healthcare situation is a nightmare in the US because companies can run free, public insurance systems like in Germany and France are much more effective at providing healthcare and a reasonable cost.

[Schizoposter No.17470104]

What if Jay Gatsby thought Daisy was the perfect counterbalance to his traits, and was trying to create a partnership that would enable the two of them to lead the humanist American revolution, only to find out that Daisy was just another toothless neolib.

Well, I say, Jay is in need of some new allies.

[Anonymous No.17470110]

>>17470099
>public insurance systems like in Germany and France are much more effective at providing healthcare
insurance systems don't provide healthcare

[Anonymous No.17470112]

>>17470104
did you just ask a question and answer yourself

[Anonymous No.17470118]

>>17470112
only a select number of visitors to 4channel dot org possess the necessary information to understand this post

[Anonymous No.17470124]

>>17468754
>cuties
Another retard who fell for this /pol/ meme

[Anonymous No.17470132]

>>17470110
Insurance forms a key component in the healthcare system. I could have said UK's fully public care which is better than the US's but Germany and France are better still as displays a great balance between the two poles. The fact is that because insurance is publicly controlled and regulated, costs do not get out of hand (whether covered directly or indirectly) and everyone has access to a good standard of healthcare.

You've just proven again that you don't understand nuance.

[Anonymous No.17470133]

>>17470099
i'll be watching princes of the yen. thanks for the recommendation, anon.

[Anonymous No.17470142]

>>17470072
I'm assuming these were the key politicians at the time but given how rampant lobbying is in the US. I doubt an industry as influential as the financial sector would have allowed the FED if it was not in their interest. I would not be surprised if it was originally their idea either.

[Anonymous No.17470152]

>>17470039
TIL literally everything is due to the free market, since even if the government does something they were influenced by private individuals. Russian Revolution? Free market

[Anonymous No.17470173]

>>17470132
Does insurance need to be a component of a healthcare system though? It's the main reason health care has gotten so expensive.

[Anonymous No.17470187]

>>17470152
No democratically lead initiatives are lead by the people. Initiative lead by corporate lobbying are capitalist lead. It's not difficult to see the difference, you just have to ask who it benefits.

[Anonymous No.17470213]

>>17470173
>>17470173
I don't know about you but if I was suddenly hit by a car and couldn't walk again, I don't have enough money in the bank to cover the treatments and loss of income. It's a low risk but if it happened myself and family would starve so hence the need for insurance.

[Anonymous No.17470214]

>>17467115
Psychopolitics

[Anonymous No.17470400]

>>17470213
Then get accident insurance. If your house catches fire, you probably don't have enough insurance to cover all of your possessions, but do you have fire insurance? I'm not saying there should be no insurance at all, I'm saying it should not have the position of prominence it does. Everybody should have a regular medical check-up, and there should not be insurance for things that are guaranteed to happen to you. Of course in this fantasy world I'm constructing, the costs associated with your broken leg are much less than they are now.

[Anonymous No.17470405]

>>17470187
Those initiatives are always influenced and funded by rich men, therefore those democratically lead initiatives are also the result of the free market.

[Anonymous No.17470410]

>>17470142
No not politicians. The Fed didn't come from the whims of an entire industry, it came from a very tiny clique of men.

[Anonymous No.17470478]

>>17469850
None because firms don’t want retarded anarchy, they want the stability of a state. Who else would bail them out lol.

[Anonymous No.17470533]

>>17467115
>crtl + f "moldbug," "curtis yarvin," "yarvin"
>zero results
https://graymirror.substack.com/p/big-tech-has-no-power-at-all

The CEO and the press
Zuck doesn’t want to do any of this. Nor do his users particularly want it. Rather, he is doing it because he is under pressure from the press. Duh.

He cannot even admit that he is under duress—or his Vietcong guards might just snap, and shoot him like the Western running-dog capitalist he is.

And what grants the press this terrifying power? The pure and beautiful power of the logos? What distinguishes a well-written poast, like this one, from an equally well-written Times op-ed? Nothing at all but prestige.

The difference between formal and informal oligarchical power, process and prestige, is not as great as it may appear. Both are arbitrary consequences of historical events, often quite distant in the past. Both can be extremely compelling.

In normal times, every sane CEO will comply unhesitatingly with the slightest whim of the legitimate press, just as they will comply unhesitatingly with a court order. That’s just how it is. To not call this power government is—just playing with words.

Learning from North Korea
Part of Facebook’s problem today is that today’s press has learned the irritating but sensible North Korean negotiating strategy of “not taking yes for an answer.”

American corporate culture today always stresses the importance of complete and obsequious appeasement of the press, which is normally prudent indeed. But just because these people have MBAs, wear khaki pants, and often really do remind you of Jared from Silicon Valley, doesn’t make them stupid.

When every act of appeasement is followed not by peace, love and harmony, but by a new and more brazen demand, coupled with more and more vitriolic aggression, until you have Kim Jong-Un ready to nuke Seattle unless we throw in a passionate weekend with Melania—it starts to feel like something is wrong with the negotiation.

The more Facebook censors, the clearer it becomes that Facebook is an accessory to murder and profits routinely from hate. Corporations are used to dealing with rational powers like the state, for which compliance decreases pressure. They are not at all used to dealing with the psycho type of power, for which compliance increases pressure—like Tony Soprano busting out a sporting-goods store.

Extrapolate to the rest of the corporate world.

[Anonymous No.17470746]

>>17467115
https://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2019/04/selling-millennials-their-purpose.html

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2017/03/silicon-valley-brilliant-leftist.html

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-end-game-of-woke-corporate-culture.html

[Anonymous No.17470837]

>>17467115
Critique of capitalism is shockingly marketable. Not sure if this is a bug or a feature.

[Anonymous No.17470881]

>>17470837
Feature. Capitalism is the only economic ideology allowing for total dissent

[Anonymous No.17471058]

>>17470055
>kill yourself
I will after you learn how to grammar