/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.17459579]

You're asking me, but who am I supposed to ask? Edition

Previous Thread: >>17449688

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[Anonymous No.17459588]

Hey guys, can we have an honest conversation real quick about fantasy writers? I say this as someone who reads science fiction mostly and have been watching these "flame wars" and, have been reading excerpts from the most commonly posted fantasy writers in /sffg/ .. It's made me think about how blessed the science fiction audience is, because to be perfectly honest - it's jarring going from the pantheon of great writers in scifi, to the almost (and I say this with all due respect) the fan-fiction level writing that is paraded as great in fantasy circles. For example, The Kingkiller Chronicles, that seems to be well respected in /sffg/ and, while I think everyone should be happy and bathing in what they enjoy, I don't even understand how the lauded fantasy work is respected on the level of authorial skill.

Obviously you have Rothfuss, R. Scott Bakkar, Robert Jordan, Brandon Sanderson, Brent Weeks (the common names in /sffg/) and I find the arguments of who's better and who's not better, to be a bit null, because none of them are particularly good at writing, but at the same time, fantasy readers don't seem to mind. I wonder if it's because the intelligence barrier of entry in hard scifi is much more difficult to reach than fantasy, which seems to attract a-lot of undesirables, and I mean that in the depth of readers, writers, and just the general audience. Again, I don't mean any disrespect, but, I just take your fantasy reading suggestions to heart, and I can't help but laugh after the first chapter of every single work I've seen named in /sffg/ - it's just all just so poorly written when compared to the work of every other "serious" genre. It's almost like.. no-matter how mature the content is written, it's written at a YA level, and who knows what the reason of this is for, I think people who get into fantasy are generally the types to be anti-social, have an array of personality disorders, these types of things, and that goes for the authors, as-well. There's no Asimov, Phillip K. Dick, Wells, Orwells, Huxleys, Navens, etc - when it comes to fantasy, and I think the reason is because fantasy has no where to go, it's just perpetually going down, it's a race to the bottom, not just in terms of the claustrophobic ceiling that fantasy is limited to, but also the (no-offense) mentally unstable population of fantasy writers can only go down in terms of quality, they're from and cater to an audience that leans heavily into genetic degredation and isolation, which bleeds into their creators, creating a self-perpetuating pig pen of garbage. Again, I don't mean any offense to you fantasy readers of /sffg/ but, I think you should all step out of your genre, and realize you've been standing in a puddle of shit for decades, it's actually quite terrible, all of it. Further on that point, the golden age of fantasy will never happen like it did with science fiction, because you can't golden a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.17459593]

>>17459588
pt/2

Fantasy peaked with Tolkien, and that's not saying much in itself, but that's another conversation entirely. Ultimately, there has never been a well-written fantasy novel, ever.

I think when you look at the title of /sffg/ you would assume that science fiction would carry the torch of conversation, but fantasy has overtaken it, in the same way a terrible child would get more attention than a great child, because the spoiled brat needs more guidance. But, it's time we decide to disown the rotten runt, we've given it enough unconditional love. I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just the truth. If we can't start talking about science fiction, then it's time we split apart the general, because half of it is stinking up the room.

[Anonymous No.17459608]

welcome to the new thread. first things first, hide these posts.
>>17459588
>>17459593

now that that's out of the way, best space opera with a mystery at the center of the plot? recently finished a re-read of the foundation series and the last expanse book is coming out october of this year.

[Anonymous No.17459609]

>>17459588
>>17459593
somehow, despite your many protestations to the contrary, I get the distinct feeling you meant some offense by this.

[Anonymous No.17459614]

>>17459588
>>17459593
poor bait

[Anonymous No.17459621]

>>17459588
>>17459593
Little arrow next to the post number, click it.
Hide> This Post> Replies.
Boom, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.17459627]

>>17459588
>>17459593
No one is stopping your from creating a science fiction only general. If that's what you desire, the go do it. You have all my well wishes.

[Anonymous No.17459631]

>tfw no sociopathic swayal gf

[Anonymous No.17459680]

>>17459588
>>17459593
as someone who feels this threads quality has vastly declined with the focus shifting from sci-fi towards fantasy, I gotta say there's a lot of projecting in your posts and you are an idiot.

>intelligence barrier of entry in hard scifi
lol

[Anonymous No.17459710]

Just went through an old box of books and found the Harry Harrison books. What a blast from the past. I read these when I was like 12. I remember them being very silly.

[Anonymous No.17459736]

>>17459531
and his gf also just turns up alive at the end, i actually had to stop to laugh for a bit

but really, my main problem with the book is that it's kinda badly written and that it is not engaging at all, specially compared with the other stuff i have read of him which i really liked

[Anonymous No.17459760]

>>17459736
I guess I just love how Zelazny teases the setting and its history without info dumps.

[Anonymous No.17459777]

>>17459588
>I wonder if it's because the intelligence barrier of entry in hard scifi is much more difficult to reach than fantasy
HAHAHAH you fucking tell them bro! I am so sick of visiting this thread and its all 90% flamewars about some fantasy shit

[Anonymous No.17459786]

>>17459593
>>17459588

[Anonymous No.17459791]

Simon would be a better Cradle MC than Lindon.

>>17459631
>tfw no gf who doesn't read diamond dozen pop trash

[Anonymous No.17459909]

Is the expanse worth getting into or is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.17459920]

>>17459909
first couple of books are ok, then quality takes a bit of a nose-dive. book 8 was alright, book 9 seems like it'll be an acceptable finish to the series. overall i don't regret reading it but it's hard to wholeheartedly recommend.

[Anonymous No.17459928]

Im two thirds into this book, does it get any better? It honestly feels straight like Chinese Naruto. Are the other books any better?

[Anonymous No.17459940]

>>17459928
no, chinese naruto is pretty spot-on.

[Anonymous No.17459971]

Name of the Wind is annoying. It even has that scene where a teacher tries to mock a student only for the student to completely one up him. Its just straight outta hollywood

[Anonymous No.17459999]

>>17459971
the teacher's a moron

[Anonymous No.17460091]

This is a dumb question, but is writing getting worse or is everyone on /sffg/ just cynical?

[Anonymous No.17460104]

>>17460091
just cynical

[Anonymous No.17460105]

>>17460091
Your tastes become refined and seek out less generalized things.

[Anonymous No.17460239]

>>17460091
literature is a dying medium sustained by middle class boomers

the fact is young people don't read books except for girls with their YA stuff

[Anonymous No.17460343]

>>17460239
So you think literature will crumble once the boomers die off?

[Anonymous No.17460367]

>>17460343
Literature is already crumbling.

[Anonymous No.17460371]

>>17460239
Vinyl records have seen an increase in sales over the past few years. There's always a thriving market for classic cars, radio weirdos, and tinkerers. Literature will never really die because our entire visual culture is based on structures imbedded in text. Every television, internet page, and software application is derived from text and it's going to be a long ass time before we get any sort of intuitive visual building blocks that survive on their own without a framework of text behind it. Every movie needs a script.

[Anonymous No.17460431]

>>17460239
e-books are immensely popular. Just because other media exists doesn't mean that one is dying. Trash like SCP and creepypastas are also extremely popular.

[Anonymous No.17460439]

>>17460431
>Trash like SCP and creepypastas are also extremely popular.
Yeah, because of the fans and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.17460455]

>>17460439
Because people still like to read.

[Anonymous No.17460482]

>>17460091
Regardless of where you stand, you have to be a lunatic if you don’t recognise that modern western political movements are not influencing every single piece of media and cultural object around them. Writing has one major flaw. It has to be vetted before you to ever see it. Which is why some authors cannot write the books they want.

Just think of the amount of invaluable philosophical books that would never be published today.

[Anonymous No.17460503]

>>17460239
>>17460371
>>17460431

None of my close friends read. And most of them have college degrees in “complex” stem fields. That’s rather depressing.

[Anonymous No.17460531]

>>17460503
Get new friends.

[Anonymous No.17460555]

>>17459928
I want to try this. How sjw is this?

[Anonymous No.17460578]

>>17460091
It’s the audience that’s becoming duller. Other types of entertainment have completely overthrown literature as the “go to” media.

With the market numbers dwindling, and the demographics changing, it is inevitable that the standards fall.

I don’t think that anyone here is unironically cynical. It is something to be praised, the fact that we demand the highest of standards.

[Anonymous No.17460581]

>critiquing someone's awful scifi/fantasy epic
>100 characters
>lore
>magic system
>different races
>zero actual story telling ability
the prose isn't bad so much as it's non-existent. The story takes place in a vacuum where I can't visualize the setting or any of the characters. I read three chapters about soldiers having lore discussions after a battle and I had no idea if they used guns or swords or if they wore armor. And the dialog is just endless prattling that doesn't serve a purpose.

[Anonymous No.17460583]

>>17460581
You mock him but this is what sells.

[Anonymous No.17460600]

>>17460583
Eragon is legitimately written better than this guy's magnum opus. I read thirty pages and I think I can force myself to give him three compliments, one of them being "thanks for including a table of contents so I can keep the characters straight."

[Anonymous No.17460633]

>>17459791
>dismond dozen

[Anonymous No.17460637]

>>17460581
>>17460600
I keep repeating this here, but this should serve as a reminder for you aspiring writers. Do not write autistic outlines.

[Anonymous No.17460644]

The madness of the Meat was lifting.

“If …” the Exalt-Bakker-Shill began, looking out at the blank periwinkle of the Yotsuba B that pinned the Thread above them. “If the Jannies were to ban us ar this very moment, what then?”
“Then we shall be blotted,” the Sander-Hater screamed, “and justice—justice!—will be done!” Out of all of them, he had always swung furthest from the rope of the Meat, but he was not without sympathizers. The Bakkerfags of /sffg/ erupted across the Thread. Wagging fists. Straining fingers. It did not matter, whether the man was a pimpled NEET or a stoner metalhead, they all mouthed the same cry …
How?
What had they done?
“Sin! Grievous sin!”
“My own hand did this! My hand!”
Images threshed in their minds. Sanderfags pleading, convulsing under rutting thrusts. OP pics of disgraceful crudeness. Threads aborted, murdered before their bump limits. Memes, humorless and depraved, executed with sloppy rapidity, dashed upon the Thread out of sheer spite and rage. Shitposts so pointless, so stupid, so foul, as to blot the very compass of their souls… now committed forever to the eternal tombs of the Archives.
The wages of their sin were plain.....
Damnation.

The madness of the Meat was lifting.

[Anonymous No.17460672]

>>17460633
>celine dion

[Anonymous No.17460757]

>>17460439
The implication here is that "good literature" doesn't have fans?

[Anonymous No.17460779]

What a ride. Tchaikovsky's worldbuilding is incredible.

[Anonymous No.17460784]

>>17460757
It's the standard counter culture bullshit you see from /lit/ that is par for the course, they would spite their favorite novel if it became mainstream.

[Anonymous No.17460809]

>>17460644
>I dreaded what I might find here...

[Anonymous No.17460975]

Alright. I have nothing to read again. Need recs.
No Sanderson
No Vance
No Wolfe
No Bakker
No Abercrombie
I've decided that I care about characters, plots, and intrigues, more than I care about the author's world building wankery. So please, something with a half decent plot, or characters who are more interesting than the mere power they wield.

Here's my reading history so far:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*, The Library At Mount Char@, The Farseer Trilogy**, The Elder Empire series(Shadow), Liveship Traders*, The Gentleman Bastard 1** and 2, Hyperion**, Endymion 1, The Dying Earth, The Emperor's Soul, Elantris@, Warbreaker@, Book of the New Sun

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series(Sea), Vorkosigan Saga**

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands@, Borne, The Mermaid's Tale(V.D.Valdron)@, Endymion 2, Lyonesse@, Mistborn

*liked
**liked a lot
@disliked

[Anonymous No.17461003]

>read the expanse or watch the show

[Anonymous No.17461039]

>>17460975
Unironically The Witcher

[Anonymous No.17461102]

>>17460239
In the last year a few booktubers popped off and I think they pushed people like sanderfaq immensely. People became really bored because of the pandemic.

[Anonymous No.17461201]

>>17459588

The problem with this general is the obsesion with 2 or 3 authors and how goo/bad they are, depending on perspective. We should ban mention of those so that we can read about other shit.

[Anonymous No.17461272]

>>17460975
>A Song of Ice and Fire
>ongoing
anon, i... i don't know how to put this...

[Anonymous No.17461297]

>>17460975
it's time for Name of the Wind

[Anonymous No.17461387]

>>17461039
Only the Last Wish and Sword of Destiny. Everything else is garbage.

[Anonymous No.17461415]

>>17461387
It's fine if you like reading about kingdoms and fucking poor people.

[Anonymous No.17461521]

>>17461272
It's coming, dammit!

>>17461297
>Told in Kvothe's own voice, this is the tale of the magically gifted young man who grows to be the most notorious wizard his world has ever seen.

>The intimate narrative of his childhood in a troupe of traveling players, his years spent as a near-feral orphan in a crime-ridden city, his daringly brazen yet successful bid to enter a legendary school of magic, and his life as a fugitive after the murder of a king form a gripping coming-of-age story unrivaled in recent literature.

>A high-action story written with a poet's hand, The Name of the Wind is a masterpiece that will transport readers into the body and mind of a wizard.

Sounds like Book of the New Sun all over again. Or perhaps Of Shadow and Sea. I'm getting real tired of these tropes
>Protagonist with special talent.
>Protagonist was once an urchin, surviving on the streets
>Protagonist finds mentor/school that teaches them how to turn their talents into real skills.
>King is bedridden and/or dies at some point.
>Coming of age
Add to that the fact that the main character is a wizard, and it all sounds like some generic D&D crap.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.17461551]

>>17461521
Oo thanks for the recs, anon.
I just like Harry Potter desu.

[Anonymous No.17461660]

>>17459588
>>17459593

[Anonymous No.17461661]

>>17461551
the best thing about harry potter is everything but the books

[Anonymous No.17461697]

>>17460975
Seveneves

[Anonymous No.17461735]

>>17459608
Sci-fi mystery is my favorite genre. The ones I've read are pic related.

I also have a list on goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/150493.Sci_fi_Mystery_Books

Pushing Ice - Alastair Reynolds
Space - Stephen Baxter
Childhood's End / City and the Stars - Arthur C Clarke

If you're looking for even more epic (and as a corollary less concise), maybe something by Peter F Hamilton is up your alley.

[Anonymous No.17461776]

Alright you fuck heads

I bought The Darkness That Came Before
and
I bought The Way Of Kings

I will now read both of these books and see which one is better. I have never read either of these authors.

[Anonymous No.17461797]

>>17460975
unironically, the kings of the wyld.

it's literally "what if D&D adventure bands were just like rockstars of a fantasy world?" and then they have to get the band back together for one more show.

i thought it was going to suck and be way too cringey, but it was actually a lot of fun. quick read, well-written. good characters, humor throughout.

was a much-needed palate cleanser to start off 2021.

[Anonymous No.17461811]

>>17461776
Based researcher
Let us know your findings

[Anonymous No.17461864]

>>17461776
you and me anon. ive already read way of kings but ill be reading the darkness that memes before here pretty soon (tm)

[Anonymous No.17461893]

>>17461776
Looking forward to hearing so I can avoid wasting my time on them

[Anonymous No.17462010]

>>17461797
God that actually sounds awful. The LAST thing I want to read is a spoof take on D&D tropes. I really don't like that D&D stuff.
I didn't like it when Madoka did it.
I didn't like it when Kill La Kill did it.
I didn't like it when Evangelion did it.
That deconstruction of a genre crap is annoying.

[Anonymous No.17462027]

>>17460975
Neuromancer is pretty good

[Anonymous No.17462036]

>>17462010
So much opinion for so little taste

[Anonymous No.17462205]

>>17461697
This sounds like it has potential. I'll give it a shot, thanks.

[Anonymous No.17462230]

>>17461797
Fuck that other guy, added to the backlog. Sounds fun.

[Anonymous No.17462257]

>>17460482
And every otherwise good writer fills their writing with unbearable fart sniffing libtard nonsense
This is why I read chinese web novels

[Anonymous No.17462458]

OC from a 50 year old woman in my creative writing class

[Anonymous No.17462469]

>>17462458
>the 50 year old grinner
>doesn't do anything
>just grins
> :D

[Anonymous No.17462473]

>>17462458
Are you in kindergarten?

[Anonymous No.17462478]

>>17462010
It's a good thing you're not required to read it

[Anonymous No.17462510]

>>17462458
thats terrifying

[Anonymous No.17462524]

>>17462458
>implying you wouldn't want to read about The Grinner

[Anonymous No.17462531]

>150k words in
>still no passion has returned

fuckers stole my inspiration, can't have shit in detroit

[Anonymous No.17462541]

>>17462478
Oop, looks like someone's feelings got hurt.

[Anonymous No.17462544]

>>17462531
recommend me a /sff/ book based on that image

[Anonymous No.17462651]

>>17461521
It's kinda different, the opening is about the MC being a washed up has-been sack of shit running a bar in a nowhere village after he fucked up and accidentally caused the apocalypse.
Now, if that sounds TOO interesting, let me tell you that two books into a three book series we've seen NONE of the things he's alluded to doing in the past, and 90% of the entire story is him simping for a prostitute and sucking his own dick.

[Anonymous No.17462658]

>>17461735
>Scifi Mystery
What would you call the caves of steel? Being LITERALLY a mystery noir story set in the scifi future?

[Anonymous No.17462660]

>>17460975
Foundation

[Anonymous No.17462700]

Would a fantasy story being told from the perspective of a farmer and his family interest you? They'd live in an epic, sprawling world, but.. the information that you get is from those who they talk to, the town criers, merchants, traders, friends with connections in the bureaucracy, etc. It would be a much calmer, happier, more optimistic take on fantasy, that doesn't mean there won't be big moments, but.. for example, if the city they're in is under siege, you won't be getting any crazy front-line battle scenes, but rather the sounds, fire, smoke, panicking populous, etc.

[Anonymous No.17462716]

>>17459588

The problem with "fantasy" is it's a narrow subgenre masquerading as a genre. "Hero goes on adventure in world with orcs and magic and shit" is the same plot done over and over and over, and yet basically all anyone recommends are Tolkein clones. It's like defining science fiction as only time travel stories. Try something like Watership Down or something by Diana Wynne Jones (Chrestomanci series maybe). Dragonriders of Pern. The Once and Future King. There are lots of options but a lot of people don't go beyond the Tolkein fanfic. The D&D Appendix N also has all kinds of interesting fantasy books listed that are radically different from the ones recommended here.

[Anonymous No.17462740]

>>17462716
Would it be apt to say it's a genre that has been pigeonholed inside a narrow subgenre?

[Anonymous No.17462752]

>>17462544
Having your porch stolen seems like it would be something Douglas Adams or Ernest Bramah would use as an inciting incident for the rest of a story

[Anonymous No.17462798]

>>17462458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H33HVT5bM4

[Anonymous No.17462806]

Why aren't there more Cyberpunk novels? You'd think that would be popular, but it seems like there's hardly anything legimate getting published in that genre, is it hard to write?

[Anonymous No.17462810]

>>17462541
Yours

[Anonymous No.17462812]

>>17462806
Everyone's sick of it already/the real world is already cyberpunk and it SUCKS why would I want to read about it?

[Anonymous No.17462813]

Blue Collar Sci-Fi will be there when you're ready for it

[Anonymous No.17462824]

>>17462813
recommend me a scifi novel about a random space miner

[Anonymous No.17462852]

>>17462658
haven't read it yet

[Anonymous No.17462893]

>>17461797
It's absolutely terrible. From the evil villain that's a subversion on elves with pointy ears to "what if they had bunny ears" to the God awful writing.
>gay quirky wizard
>weed smoking trolls
>did I mention weed (available for thousands of years) cures a magical leprosy like curse that killed gay wizard's lover?
"Too soon?" and "The cake is a lie" jokes are not welcome in literature.

[Anonymous No.17462966]

>>17462824
My diary

[Anonymous No.17462981]

>>17462806
Sci-fi is one of the least popular literature genres.

[Anonymous No.17463026]

>>17460503
STEM majors, while critical to the infrastructure of the modern world, can hardly be expected to be particularly cultured people, when the extent of their humanities education is two easy-A elective classes in four years of schooling. if they develop an interest in or appreciation for art, it is in spite of their education, not because of it.

[Anonymous No.17463065]

>>17463026
It’s scary, for the lack of a better word. I know people who don’t own a single “non-technical” book.

[Anonymous No.17463070]

>>17459928
I swear to god everyone's fascination with the Poppy War is just the fact it's 's Asian-based.

[Anonymous No.17463079]

>>17461735
>Sci-fi mystery is my favorite genre. The ones I've read are pic related.

Have you read Sundiver? It's basically a whodunit on a space station, but the entire Uplift setting is the main draw.

[Anonymous No.17463088]

>>17461797
But you can just read D&D novels, though. Some are even decently readable.

[Anonymous No.17463111]

>>17461776
Your answer will inevitably display your IQ level.

[Anonymous No.17463116]

>>17463111
*neither*

[Anonymous No.17463130]

>>17460975
>The Wheel of Time**
Your criticism of anything is completely worthless to me,

[Anonymous No.17463189]

>>17462651
Oh pshaw. What's the worst thing you can say about WoT? That it's overly long and repetitive? Which is like saying there's too much of a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17463200]

>>17463130
Oh pshaw. What's the worst thing you can say about WoT? That it's overly long and repetitive? Which is like saying there's too much of a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17463206]

What's the verdict on this book? Is it /lit/ approved? Do I have permission to buy it?

[Anonymous No.17463207]

>>17463200
>Which is like saying there's too much of nothing happening
FTFY

[Anonymous No.17463217]

>>17463088
i read 4 out of the 5 cleric quintet books and they were totally whatever. literally just a dnd campaign

[Anonymous No.17463235]

>>17463206
Looks gay, and Hannu sounds like a woman, and women can't write.

[Anonymous No.17463269]

>>17462752
Tom Holt is probably sitting on a book where all the main character does is rebuild the porch with shit he found in his recently deceased neighbour's shed.

[Anonymous No.17463288]

>>17463235
He's a man. Your thirteen-word elaborate review crumbled in a moment.

[Anonymous No.17463291]

>>17463217
>didn't read the last book
But that one literally makes the series.

[Anonymous No.17463297]

>>17463206
I enjoyed it and its sequels. Would not recommend if you're put off by unexplained worldbuilding, otherwise you'll find it a chore.

[Anonymous No.17463350]

>>17463288
He'll never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.17463369]

>>17463217
>literally just a dnd campaign
That's kinda what they are, yes.

[Anonymous No.17463374]

>>17460581
Lorefags were always a mistake. Just tell him to practice writing an actual story first.
>>17460637
Outlining is fine if you know what you're doing. That guy obviously doesn't. It helps you prototype stories way faster and you get the bad ideas out quickly if you're actually thinking about what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.17463378]

>>17463350
He's just a finn, retard.

[Anonymous No.17463385]

>>17461521
>Sounds like Book of the New Sun all over again.
>>Protagonist with special talent.
>>Protagonist was once an urchin, surviving on the streets
>>Protagonist finds mentor/school that teaches them how to turn their talents into real skills.
>>King is bedridden and/or dies at some point.
>>Coming of age
I take it you never read a single page with Severian's name on it

[Anonymous No.17463391]

How did the Consult find Ishuäl? Is it ever explained?

[Anonymous No.17463400]

>>17463391
Koringhus didn't disable geolocation on his selfies with the whale-mothers

[Anonymous No.17463421]

Esmi should've received the whale-mother treatment desu.

[Anonymous No.17463431]

>>17463385
I wasn't saying that all of those tropes fit BotNS. I was just saying I'm sick of those tropes in general.
But there are some aspects of the description for Name of the Wind that does fit BotNS. If you think about it.
Severian traveled with a troupe of players. He is technically an orphan. He did live as a fugitive. A "king" of sorts did die. There were some coming of age elements, despite his journey starting at a late age. It's never really emphasized, but he must be a naturally gifted swordsman. Because he cuts everyone down easily.

[Anonymous No.17463445]

>>17463378
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.17463448]

>>17463431
>It's never really emphasized, but he must be a naturally gifted swordsman. Because he cuts everyone down easily.
when did he fight anyone but random untrained goons and wild beasts besides Baldanders? He had to pull tricks out of his ass to get away from Typhon

[Anonymous No.17463449]

>>17463391
tortured people

[Anonymous No.17463456]

>>17463449
>Dûnyain
>immune to torture
explain

[Anonymous No.17463459]

>>17463448
I don't remember specifics. I just remember him lopping heads off in a single swing.

[Anonymous No.17463464]

>>17463026
doesn't apply to a single person I know.
stop projecting on the internet and try to actually interact with real people.

[Anonymous No.17463469]

>>17463459
You remember him chopping off heads but not the fact he wa an executioner by trade? That is literally what he got payed for in Saltus.

[Anonymous No.17463490]

>>17463469
No, I remember he was an executioner of course. And I even remember the fact that the blade was especially designed to add weight to the swing with some kind of inner part moving.

Though I swear there were a couple of scenes where he lopped off bits in the middle of a fight. Not performing an execution.

Wasn't he fighting off like 100 monkey men at some point? Or did I just make that up? I remember the monkey men saw the claw, and they bowed to it. But just before that, wasn't he fighting multiple of them at once? Or nah?

[Anonymous No.17463504]

>>17463445
Nothing. Don't change man.

[Anonymous No.17463505]

>>17463079
I read the first 20 pages and didn't get drawn in. I didn't quite get what was going on. Something about dolphins. Maybe I'll try again some day.

[Anonymous No.17463511]

>>17463504
That's what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.17463520]

>>17463490
And again, when was he fighting anything but random untrained dudes and wild beasts? He got blown the fuck out very quickly in the actual war section.

[Anonymous No.17463551]

>>17463520
>He got blown the fuck out very quickly in the actual war section.
I started zoning out around the war. But I remember there being projectile weapons and horses. Things he wasn't accustomed to dealing with. That doesn't say much about his actual ability to swing a sword.

Also, the ape men were said to be intelligent. I remember that. At least a paragraph was spent describing the intelligence behind their eyes. And they were large in numbers and armed somewhat.(I forget how they were armed. Cudgels maybe?) It doesn't matter how much more civilized Severian is compared to them. He's still just a shirtless guy with a sword, against a large number of foes.

Like, I would like to see how how well you would do if I gave you a sword and stuck you in an enclosure with a 100 angry man-sized apes.

[Anonymous No.17463575]

>>17459608
On second foundation, was disappointed by the previous book. Saw that stupid ass paradigm plot twist early on. Skipped most of it cuz reading mundane garbage sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.17463582]

>>17460091
Worse.

[Anonymous No.17463592]

I just got done reading Halo: Contact Harvest. I am a casual reader but I thought it was pretty good. I'm a huge Halo nerd. I loved seeing Sgt. Johnson and Tartarus's stories fleshed out. The best part of the book to me was the friendship between Lighter than Some and Dadab.

[Anonymous No.17463669]

>>17463592
Halo books are kino

[Anonymous No.17463685]

Tranny aliens? In my scifi books?

[Anonymous No.17463753]

>>17463456
>ordinary people
>not immune to torture

also they aren't immune

[Anonymous No.17463803]

Is there any good fantasy book about the middle/dark ages?

[Anonymous No.17463866]

>>17463803
Arthurian legend is heavily informed by the culture of the middle ages, despite technically being 5th century. If you want to read something modern you could try Lyonesse or Curse of Chalion

[Anonymous No.17463924]

>>17463803
The Wizard/Knight obviously.

[Anonymous No.17463929]

>>17463592
If you haven't read Fall of Reach, you should do that.

[Anonymous No.17464097]

>>17463803
The High Crusade. It's technically scifi but it's pretty fantastical regardless.

[Anonymous No.17464287]

If GRRM dies before finishing his last two books the GOT ending becomes canon

[Anonymous No.17464290]

>>17460975
>The Library At Mount Char@,
what didn't you like about this? it's high on my to-read list, someone must have recommended it to me strongly

[Anonymous No.17464306]

>>17462544

[Anonymous No.17464326]

>>17463206
read it long ago so don't remember well, but i liked it. some interesting concepts that don't appear in classic scifi, it felt like a good modern scifi story. probably not a very special book but i would recommend, engaging story, good characters, interesting stuff going on and so on. you never really understand everything that is going on but that's one of the reasons why i liked it

[Anonymous No.17464339]

>>17464097
>The High Crusade
sounds interesting, is it good?

[Anonymous No.17464375]

>>17464339
the ending is a bit weak but overall it is a quaint and enjoyable little read

[Anonymous No.17464393]

>>17464339
it's funny as fuck.
knights charging spaceships on horseback, superior english longbows penetrating anti-laser force fields, bringing feudalism to the stars.

[Anonymous No.17464399]

>>17464290
Its characters were shallow and edgy. It failed to describe the most important thing in the book, the flippin Library, until near the end when it finally gave a few sparse inadequate lines.
It's like the author was trying to shock me with how little life was regarded. People just dying for no reason other than to be like "holy shit! I can't believe that happened!" Handled in the most poor way possible. It's really more like some kind of cheesy horror flick you might see reviewed on Best of the Worst. In fact, in just the last episode, they reviewed a horror film with a similar tone to Library at Mount Char.

[Anonymous No.17464418]

when is my book depository order going to arrive? its been 2 weeks now

[Anonymous No.17464586]

>>17463753
>t. hasn’t read the books
you confused there, son?

[Anonymous No.17464599]

>>17464393
>it's funny as fuck.
>knights charging spaceships on horseback, superior english longbows penetrating anti-laser force fields, bringing feudalism to the stars.

[Anonymous No.17464616]

>>17464586
>dunyain immune to torture

ask Kellhus how the circumfix was and serwe was damaged by her torture and feared she was broken ask the "immune to torture" skin spies that moenghus got lots of details out

no dunyain has been tortured for say, 30 years straight, it's unfalsifiable.

[Anonymous No.17464648]

>>17464616
kellhus went mad on the circ because he nearly died, (or actually died temporarily) and because ajokli was speaking to him, not because wah wah muh torture.
remember how serwa (who is half not full dûn, something that’s emphasized often) was so strong that she broke her torturers with her singing?
or how the captured dûnyain (MAJOR SPOILER) overthrew the consult from within?
who are these “ordinary people” you’re referring to, and how would they know about ishuäl? make it make sense senpai

[Anonymous No.17464653]

>>17459588
>I wonder if it's because the intelligence barrier of entry in hard scifi is much more difficult to reach than fantasy, which seems to attract a-lot of undesirables,
I sort of agree with you but in a world in which Jemisin is the most prestigious name in sci-fi ever by number of Hugo's I must object to this.

[Anonymous No.17464659]

>>17464648
>who are these “ordinary people” you’re referring to, and how would they know about ishuäl? make it make sense senpai

idk read the end of the 2nd book?

The consult literally had 20 years to find ishual and plenty of resources, it's a non question.

[Anonymous No.17464674]

>>17464287
the GOT ending will always be how the series ends. Martin will just make it make sense.
Dany will always go crazy and burn the city, Jon will always kill her.

[Anonymous No.17464764]

>>17464599
(You)

[Anonymous No.17464769]

I was thinking about starting the "The Culture Series". Anyone here read it before? How is it?

[Anonymous No.17464795]

>>17464769
>bro even our scout ships can destory 21321521 black holes and kill like r2132152132 dudes in one shot bro

[Anonymous No.17464824]

>>17460975
>Vorkosigan Saga**

[Anonymous No.17464844]

>>17464769
80% of it its the author waking about his ideological believes and how much better he his ideas are than the foolish masses who are just too dumb to see the truth of the matter.
Honestly before I started reading him i agree with most of his points, after reading his book i started to question my believes and changed them... so i guess it's a good read?

[Anonymous No.17464845]

>>17461387
>Everything else is garbage.
Imagine being filtered so hard

[Anonymous No.17464857]

>>17464648
Either Kellhus or his father sold them out, it's the only explanation. Or maybe they sold THEMSELVES out just to advance their plan to get captured and take over from within

[Anonymous No.17464867]

>>17464844
based

[Anonymous No.17464883]

>>17464857
you know there's no magic forcefield around it right? It's literally just a castle in a remote location

[Anonymous No.17464905]

>>17464883
...that has been completely shut off from the world for 2000 years
>torture scene at end of book 2
thinking some rando tribesmen from
the plains of gal would know how to find ishual doesn’t make any sense. that scene was just to show the evil of the inchies and their search for the dûnyain. you’ve argued your point and lost, Brother.
Defective. off to the unmasking room with you.

[Anonymous No.17464912]

>>17464905
easy to stay hidden when nobody knows you exist or is looking for you

[Anonymous No.17464974]

>>17464845
I have said it once, and I will say it a thousand fucking times: pic related is a hundred times better than the Witcher.

The major problem with the Witcher Saga is that Sapkowski literally didn't know how to write a novel when he started writing it--Blood of Elves is just a series of Vignettes connected by the barest hint of a plot, and the first Witcher novel that is actually well constructed is Baptism of Fire. There's also an underlying hint of cynicism beneath the whole thing; his tendency to use English-sounding names and places (many of which contain the letter V, which isn't used at all in Polish) makes me think that he just couldn't wait for the books to be translated into English.

Meanwhile, by the time he wrote the Hussite Trilogy, he had already written the Witcher Saga, meaning that he actually had experience writing, pacing, and developing a novel. The end result is a series that feels much tighter and better-constructed, and it helps that, as the Trilogy is a Picaresque, and not a work of "epic" fantasy, it leans into his strengths (Characterization, dry humour, the creation of individual scenes) much better than the Witcher ever did.

Its a shame that the Trilogy's English Translation is hot fucking garbage.

[Anonymous No.17465048]

The sect was said to harbour dark designs to overthrow the world. Its teachers used a dead language that was impenetrable to all but the innermost circle of believers. Its teachers preached love and kindness, but helped local warlords acquire firearms. They encouraged believers to cast aside their earthly allegiances and swear loyalty to a foreign god-emperor, before seeking paradise in terrible martyrdoms.

>The cult was in open revolt, led, it was said, by a boy sorcerer. Farmers claiming to have the blessing of an alien god had bested trained soldiers in combat and proclaimed that fires in the sky would soon bring about the end of the world. The Emperor called old soldiers out of retirement for one last battle before peace could be declared in the land. For there to be an end to war, he said, the sect would have to die.

It writes itself

[Anonymous No.17465056]

>>17465048
Dark Jesuit sorcery

[Anonymous No.17465118]

I want fantasy that is heavily influenced by classical greeks or maybe Alexander's campaigns.

[Anonymous No.17465182]

>>17465118
Like this? https://store.steampowered.com/app/362960/Tyranny/

[Anonymous No.17465237]

Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.17465328]

>>17465182
Maybe, but books instead. I haven't been able to get into games like I used to for ages now.

[Anonymous No.17465333]

>>17465328
I dunno anon, these games have a lot of reading to do.

[Anonymous No.17465451]

Does Earwa's planet have a moon?

In every description of nightime it sounds like the Nail of Heaven is the brightest thing on the sky and I don't recal any reference to a moon.

[Anonymous No.17465667]

Discuss

[Anonymous No.17465676]

>>17464974
There is one Trilogy with a capital T written by a Polish writer and it's not Sapkowski's.

[Anonymous No.17465718]

>>17465451
Yes there is a moon, but you're right, it isn't mentioned often.

>“He let his gaze wander as he walked. The moon was full and bright, smudging silver across the back of charging clouds.”

>“So they crossed Far Wuor in fits and sprints. Mosquitos plagued them during certain watches, hung so thick as to form scribbling haloes around the moon and the Nail-of-Heaven,”

[Anonymous No.17465722]

>>17465718
ty

[Anonymous No.17465725]

What are you reading?

[Anonymous No.17465730]

>>17465237
No need to fuck him any longer.
He has recovered from his surgery, so we are supposed to be getting our shit soon.

[Anonymous No.17465743]

>>17465118
David Gemmell has two series that might fit your bill. Heroic fantasy, his stuff.
Paul Kearney published a trilogy inspired by the Anabasis.

[Anonymous No.17465781]

>>17465725
muvluv supplementary material

[Anonymous No.17465817]

>>17465676
Joke's on you, since the English translation of the ACTUAL Trilogy is also hot garbage!

Funnily enough, Potop, the best part, has the worst translation, since about 25% of the book is missing.

[Anonymous No.17465849]

Any of you fags have an account with this site?
Can you make some screenshots?
https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/shapers-plot-bunny-farm.11318/page-8#post-4066848

[Anonymous No.17465911]

Why are Sandersoys like this?

https://youtu.be/5xWgf-qWDdc

[Anonymous No.17465935]

>>17465725
Reading?

[Anonymous No.17465940]

>>17465725
finishing up unholy conslut

[Anonymous No.17465966]

>>17465911
Fucking weebs>>17465940

[Anonymous No.17465981]

>>17463464
>IF they develop an interest in or appreciation for art, it is in spite of their education, not because of it.

learn to read, I'm speaking in general terms and from experience here, most of my STEM major friends don't know even the broad strokes of history in most cases, much less have an understanding of philosophy or non-modern politics, and the ones who do developed that understanding outside of formal education.

the fact is that humanities get ignored for more "practical" skills and the result is graduates with little or no ability to interact with the culture that they were born into, and so that culture is becoming the purview of nerds on Indonesian puppet-show forums and professors who consistently tear that culture to shreds with post-modernist tongs. people in general don't give a fuck about literature, if they get any at all its through movies and tv, after being filtered through the hollywood right-think machine.

[Anonymous No.17466019]

>>17460555
I read the first book. Honestly not very. It reads like a chinawoman's genocidal fantasy against the japs for the rape of Nanking

[Anonymous No.17466038]

>>17465940
enjoy

https://youtu.be/idn50Xj_CiY

[Anonymous No.17466046]

>best /sffg/ thread in months
>barely any fantasy talk
interesting

[Anonymous No.17466053]

What are the chances that Bakker gets a TV series adaptation?

I'm just asking because he would get a publisher

[Anonymous No.17466070]

>>17466053
>What are the chances that Bakker gets a TV series adaptation?
Less than a meat-crazed Ordealman's chances of attaining salvation.
Far too controversial for our woke age. The producers would never be able to get it funded, unless they changed everything about it that makes it great. We can dream, though...

[Anonymous No.17466081]

>>17465911
Literal children? Idk, maybe because Sanderson writes children's books

[Anonymous No.17466129]

I always thought Lovecraft was a hack, but I've been reading some of his longer stories over the last few days rather than just the super short ones and I have to admit I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.17466133]

>>17466053
Wheel Of Time is only just now getting a TV show adaptation. No way they are gonna give Bakker one.

[Anonymous No.17466215]

>>17466129
Glad you've grown up anon, welcome to /sffg/ :)

[Anonymous No.17466216]

Coming up on one entire year since anyone on the internet has heard a single peep out of Bakker.

WHERE IS HE????!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS HIS PROBLEM????!!!! We need to send a Canadian anon on a special mission to find the Restored Barn of London to pay our Holy-Author a little wellness check.

[Anonymous No.17466217]

what foul tekne abomination is this

[Anonymous No.17466224]

>>17466129
>names his cat niggerman
>hack
Choose 1

[Anonymous No.17466239]

>>17466053
Never going to happen in 2020+1. Esmenet is too clear a mirror for women to look into. Not to mention the impossibility of bringing dunyain mind Fuckery to life without a narrator or internal monologue.

[Anonymous No.17466248]

>>17466217
It appears to be a Nilnameshi catamite. Cleanse it with fire in the name of the Shriah.

[Anonymous No.17466266]

>>17466239
It's not going to happen because Bakkar doesn't offer anything else but a variation on Tolkien's work.

[Anonymous No.17466273]

>>17466216

Did you send the letter?

[Anonymous No.17466281]

>>17466273
No that was another anon.
I'm sure Bak gets dozens of fan letters a week and doesn't respond to any of them. Taking a five month hiatus from the internet is one thing, but an abrupt stop to all communication for an entire year is quite concerning.

[Anonymous No.17466287]

>>17466239
>Not to mention the impossibility of bringing dunyain mind Fuckery to life without a narrator or internal monologue.
I thought about this as well. But any director worth his salt would be able to pull this off.

[Anonymous No.17466296]

>>17466281
>>17466273
We should spam his mail-box with friendly memes.

[Anonymous No.17466297]

>>17465725
Dhalgren. 50 pages in and there's been a straight sex scene and a gay nipple biting jerk off scene. It's alright.

[Anonymous No.17466310]

>>17465911
>Imagine being so insecure that you go out of your way to "shut-down" one star reviews.

[Anonymous No.17466316]

>>17466266
>>17466310
And thus did the Pathetic Ordeal of the Sanderfags end in tears and shittery.

[Anonymous No.17466332]

What are some good character archtypes to try writing in to a crew of space construction workers

[Anonymous No.17466339]

>>17466316
Just because Sanderson sucks, doesn't mean Bakkar doesn't suck, too.

[Anonymous No.17466341]

>>17466332
Just watch Alien (1979)

[Anonymous No.17466344]

>>17466341
I'll start a list of things to watch. Just finished Generation Kill

[Anonymous No.17466347]

>>17466339
You're wrong desu.

[Anonymous No.17466351]

>>17466339
I think not.

[Anonymous No.17466358]

>>17466339
Is this your attempt at dismissing the incredible writer that Bakker is?

[Anonymous No.17466405]

>>17466053
Jeffrey Wright as Achamian. He's damn good and could pull off the haunted but principled thing.
Phillip Seymour Hoffman would be my first choice, but his death came swirling down long ago.[/spoiler[

[Anonymous No.17466416]

>>17466405
Forgot pic, he even has a grey streak in his beard.

[Anonymous No.17466480]

>>17466287
I just don’t know how they do it without it being overly cartoony, like he’s hamming it up.

[Anonymous No.17466492]

>>17466480
I think that 3 or 4 episodes in, Kellhus would meet with Cnaiür.

[Anonymous No.17466507]

>>17466480
I think it would be cool in show format if they progressively revealed the extent of the Dunyain's fuckery over the course of the series. Kellhus just seems like a lone traveler at first. His betrayal of Leweth comes at the end of the pilot episode and shows the audience that something's up, but it isn't fully revealed until he meets with Cnaiur >>17466492

[Anonymous No.17466523]

>>17466507
They could fit the entire Leweth and Nonman scene the same way that game of thrones does the walkers right at the beginning of the first episode.

It is wishful thinking to assume that Leweth will have more then 10 seconds on scree. The same applies for a lot of characters.

[Anonymous No.17466540]

Why didn't sorcerers use padding to protect against chorae?

[Anonymous No.17466553]

>>17466523
You're probably right, I forgot how short tv audiences' attention spans are.

>>17466540
The billows offer soft deflective protection, I believe.

>>17466053
What if it was done as an animated series (not anime, but more realistic western style animation like pic related)? I bet there are enough fans out there to crowdfund a pilot episode.

[Anonymous No.17466640]

>head on a pole
Onkis??

[Anonymous No.17466653]

>>17466523
it would probably be best to start off with some of the flashbacks we get later of kellhus training and stuff, then boom he's leaving ishual, leweth would be like a 5 minute scene

[Anonymous No.17466662]

>>17466640
penis head

>>17466523
>>17466507
>>17466492
also need to remember how the book has one character for ages and then swaps, for tv you would probably need acha, kellhus, esmi in first episode otherwise in episode 3 when you suddenly get introduced to acha and no more kellhus it would throw people

[Anonymous No.17466670]

>>17466540
near miss still fucks you up

[Anonymous No.17466706]

>>17466653
I want everything in as much as you do (and believe me, I do want everything exactly like in the books). But Leweth is so secondary that there's no reason to show him, at all. I would be surprised if he was even there for a minute.

They are on a ridiculous time budget on TV. They need to stretch every single thing.

>>17466662
My understanding is that they would rush the first part of the books as much as possible. Achamian's first scene would be him leaving Atyersus on the trip to sumna. Everything before that is "Irrelevant" for TV.

[Anonymous No.17466730]

>>17466706
I think Kellhus/Leweth/Nonman would make a killer 5-minute intro sequence to bring the audience into the world.
Then Akka leaving Attrempus for Sumna.
Then Cnaiur and the Battle of Kiyuth.
Ends with Inrau's run-in with the consult.
Boom, solid pilot episode.

[Anonymous No.17466741]

>>17466670
but some sorcerers can get hit with a glancing blow and only partially salted? like Serwa at the end of TUC i think it takes a direct hit to instantly turn them into a salt statue.

[Anonymous No.17466742]

>>17466730
Yeah. I could also see the Maithanet scene and Esmi/Acha. It wouldn't be impossible to fit first book into 1 season.

[Anonymous No.17466775]

has there ever been anything like Black Company but instead of soldiers navigating the wrath of unmanagably powerful and alien feudal infighting, it's workers navigating the strife between incomprehensibly powerful oligarchs?

[Anonymous No.17466788]

>>17466775
Interesting, imagine being one of the first workers in the dangerous vacuum of space and some bunch of politicians keep making changes that make your job unsafe

[Anonymous No.17466817]

>>17466706
I think you can easily fit the events of the first book in 10 1 hour episodes, there's a ton of stuff you can't show anyway like characters thoughts and akka's memories of being cucked, also need to show maithanet

E1 >Kellhus intro, ends with his nonman fight or cliffhanger there, Akka sent on mission, mandate infodump, maybe ganrelki

E2: Inrau, maithanet. Kellhus gets his gang together and crosses the wilderness

E3 cnauir meets kellhus, flashback to moenghus, esmenent almost gets stoned + sarcellus

E4: identure stuff bits of mounting situation in next two episodes, some xerius bits

E5, kellhus and cnauir travel, meet serwe

E6: kellhus and cnauir being chased and reaching holy war

E7: proyas intro kellhus cnauir join holy war.

E8: vulgar holy war gets owned, oppurtunity for a battle here

e9: gotion scroll

look at GOT for example

[Anonymous No.17466824]

>>17466741
that's what I meant by fucked up

[Anonymous No.17466834]

>people post stuff to discuss
>only responds to the bakker shitpost bait

[Anonymous No.17466900]

>>17463206
Liked it a lot. it has very little explanation though, and the second book has even less to it's detriment. The third book is more understandable and the best imo. I would say the three books in that story are the most realistic portrayal of the way a person today might feel when reading a book written hundreds of years from now, or how someone in a time capsule from our time, might feel like, if they woke up in the far future. You understand just enough to generally follow, but there are plenty of terms and behavior which are new and weird and which you do not understand.

The books are also one of the most imaginary and iconic books I have ever read. Though I don't think I am using the word iconic in the way it is meant to be used, maybe the wordt I'm looking for is memetic. But when I say iconic I mean books that conjure really rememberable imagery. A good example would be the way the enemies act in the new mad max movie, when they spray their mouth with chrome. It's such a weird but memorable thing to see, and it immediately makes you remember the movie. It's something you can easily put in to memes. The second book in the trilogy is the best one at conjuring vivid imagery, but it is also the one which is the hardest to decipher and there were plenty of scenes that I did not enjoy because i literally did not know what the fuck was going on.

I myself do not like Wolfe, but these books might be interesting for those that do. While the books are hard sci-fi the technology almost feels like magic. But the key word is almost, it is still sciency enough that it evokes the imagination of what might be possible in that way that only science fiction does.

TLDR: If you like Gene Wolfe, hard but unique and rewarding books.

[Anonymous No.17466940]

>>17466788
imagine waking up just to learn that overnight your county was bought by a dragon dildo manufacturer, and all its inhabitants are now serfs to the will of the company, and you have been designated by raffle to be in the quality assurance sector and must report immediately or be liquidated to the neighboring organ trading innovation zone

[Anonymous No.17466949]

>>17466940
Yea or that

[Anonymous No.17467114]

Damn I didn't remember the end of malazan to be full with so many useless plot lines and useless self introspection. I guess that the problem with audio books, you can't just skip things.

[Anonymous No.17467165]

why do these single pov stories go like 25 chapters and then suddenly multipov. I don't fucking want to see the other sides of the story, just limit my scope to what MC experiences, and flesh out what happens in the rest of the world through the information that MC receives through other characters

[Anonymous No.17467199]

>>17467165
Thank you for your feedback, the ai has been adjusted

[Anonymous No.17467221]

>>17466817
‘preciate the effort, but this is wayyy to slow moving for TV desu. all of this could easily be compressed into 2, maybe 3 episodes. they should at least be outside caraskand by the end of season 1. especially if the goal was to cover all 7 books.

[Anonymous No.17467257]

>>17467221
>all 7 books.
>all
>7
>books

Please, don't say this.

[Anonymous No.17467271]

>>17467199
good

[Anonymous No.17467283]

Can you name ONE (1) book

[Anonymous No.17467291]

>>17467283

[Anonymous No.17467306]

>>17467283
The Lovecraft's Cat Name Company

[Anonymous No.17467405]

>>17467283
Petey

[Anonymous No.17467423]

>>17467283
I only read royalroad isekai

[Anonymous No.17467458]

>>17467283
Jackie chan

[Anonymous No.17467495]

His chest heaving, Cnaiür scanned the small battlefield, afflicted by a sudden worry that Kellhus was dead. But he found the Dûnyain almost immediately: he stood alone amidst a knot of dead, sword poised as earlier, awaiting the galloping rush of a single Munuäti lancer.
Leaning into his lance, the horseman howled, giving voice to the Steppe’s fury through the thud of galloping hoofs. He knows, Cnaiür thought. Knows he’s about to die.

As he watched, the Dûnyain caught the iron tip of the man’s lance with his sword, guiding it to turf. The lance snapped, jerking the Munuäti back against his high cantle, and the Dûnyain leapt, impossibly throwing a sandalled foot over the horse’s head and kicking the rider square in the face. The man plummeted to the grasses, where his leathery tumble was stilled by the Dûnyain’s sword.

What manner of man . . . ?

Anasûrimbor Kellhus paused over the corpse, as though committing it to memory. Then he turned to Cnaiür. Beneath wind-tossed hair, streaks of blood scored his face, so that for a moment he possessed the semblance of expression. Beyond him, the dark escarpments of the Hethantas piled into the sky.

[Anonymous No.17467507]

>>17467495
>As he watched, the Dûnyain caught the iron tip of the man’s lance with his sword, guiding it to turf. The lance snapped, jerking the Munuäti back against his high cantle,
Is this gay sex

[Anonymous No.17467652]

>>17466900
Picked up

[Anonymous No.17467896]

>>17464824
She lost me at Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen though. That's why it's still in the "ongoing" section.
I keep telling myself I'm going to return to it for completion sake. But every time I think about it, I'm repulsed.

[Anonymous No.17467916]

>>17467257
I don't see what the problem is. The ending of TUC is perfect as the end of the entire saga of Earwa, perfectly in keeping with the novels' themes and morbid tone. Too bad there are quite a few incomplete plotlines (Moenghus, Crab Hand, Judging Eye Baby, how's Kellhus in the Outside, Zeum) which make it obvious Bakker originally continued the series. But who knows if he will. As it stands I'm not disappointed if he doesn't.
>>17467495
Disappointed at the end of Cnaiur too. Would've been even worse for him to fight Kellhus though, since he stands no chance. But it still should have been different somehow, more fulfilling.

[Anonymous No.17468017]

>>17460975
Hello Karen

Karen does not read books, he only listens to audiobooks. Give him only good recommendations, he might like the good ones.

He skipped PoN because he didn’t like the voice of the audiobook reader.

[Anonymous No.17468035]

>>17467495
Is this from a fan fiction?

[Anonymous No.17468069]

>>17468017
You call me Karen, but you're the one who incessantly nags me about my behavior. Wagging your finger at me for not reading what you read. And for not reading in the manner you want me to read. It's like you think if you complain long enough and get enough people involved, then I'll finally be forced to do what you want.

[Anonymous No.17468121]

>>17468069
Cope, the post. Have you tried reading books.

[Anonymous No.17468143]

>>17468121
I read them all the time. With my ears.
The art of story telling is verbal first and foremost. Text is just a means to better preserve and distribute stories.

[Anonymous No.17468184]

>>17468143
>I read them all the time. With my ears
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.17468186]

>>17468143
>b-but i read with my ears
hahahahaha
leave

[Anonymous No.17468223]

>>17468143
>The art of story telling is verbal first and foremost. Text is just a means to better preserve and distribute stories.
This is not true. I am savouring a nice meal and you’re just shoving everything down your face.

[Anonymous No.17468229]

>>17468069
Just read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17468249]

>>17468143
I bet you voted for Biden.

[Anonymous No.17468260]

Wish I could consume audio books. I'd get sidetracked every sentence and have to rewind all too much.

[Anonymous No.17468362]

>>17468223
I doubt this very much. Text readers tend to read faster than what dialogue would be naturally paced if it were spoken aloud. You just consume information in chunks. Losing the nuances.

>>17468229
If Bakker is so awesome, then why did he allow his audiobook to be read by someone with the tone of a dispassionate teacher who has been having a bad morning and just wants to get class over with? https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Darkness-That-Comes-Before-Audiobook/B008CQW11A

Also, all you guys ever mention about this book is the philosophy the author incorporates. Why would I want to listen to some psuede try to make fantasy more substantial by spouting off a bunch of philosophical rhetoric?

>>17468249
I didn't vote. The system is rigged and pointless. I bet you think your favorite politician will be the change the country needs.

[Anonymous No.17468441]

>>17468362
People mention the homosexuality, rape and incest plenty. Authors don't choose audiobook narrators either unless they're seriously big dick swingers, and even then they probably rarely care.

[Anonymous No.17468487]

>>17468362
>You just consume information in chunks. Losing the nuances.
Absolutely wrong.

> If Bakker is so awesome, then why did he allow his audiobook to be read by someone with the tone of a dispassionate teacher who has been having a bad morning and just wants to get class over with?
I actually rejoice that you will never enjoy Bakker, because it is impossible to do so with an audio book. The fact that you equate Bakker’s quality with his audiobook is nothing short of hilarious.

“Karen” doesn’t do you justice. We should have another nickname for you. Not even Sandersoys are this delusional.

[Anonymous No.17468513]

Just finished Bear Head. It's amazing how consistently good Tchaikovsky's work is despite releasing 4+ books a year.

[Anonymous No.17468517]

>>17468441
>People mention the homosexuality, rape and incest plenty
First time I'm hearing about it. But also, those things aren't necessarily why I read books. That's just taboo subject matter that makes a book more spicy. But not stuff you can carry a whole book on.

>Authors don't choose audiobook narrators either
How do you know this? I mean, I can't imagine that if an author said "Among the available talent, I prefer these particular people the most" that the publisher would have a problem with that.

>and even then they probably rarely care
They should care. Seeing as how every books gets adapted these days. Robert Jordan said that he would listen back to the audio versions, because it gave him an idea of how the tone his work was being interpreted. Like was the dialogue being read with the same intent that he had when he wrote it? He used the audio to critique himself like that. So the audiobook actually has practical application for authors.

GRRM cared enough to request a specific guy to narrate Game of Thrones. He said he was already a fan of his narration before then, and was glad to be able to get him.

[Anonymous No.17468525]

>>17468487
You can call me xX-AudioFreak-Xx

[Anonymous No.17468528]

What's wrong with George RR Martin? I know that he takes forever to write and all that shit, but I mean what's wrong with his actual writing?

[Anonymous No.17468538]

>>17468525
Audiocuck it is.

[Anonymous No.17468548]

>>17468538
Whatever you say, Karen.

[Anonymous No.17468549]

>>17468528
Fat
Pink
Mast

[Anonymous No.17468554]

All of these are audiobooks.
Come at me.

[Anonymous No.17468555]

>I read with my ears
What did the audiocuck mean by this?

[Anonymous No.17468563]

>>17468517
>They should care. Seeing as how every books gets adapted these days. Robert Jordan said that he would listen back to the audio versions, because it gave him an idea of how the tone his work was being interpreted. Like was the dialogue being read with the same intent that he had when he wrote it? He used the audio to critique himself like that. So the audiobook actually has practical application for authors.

That's actually pretty interesting. Shame his books got so bloated and boring anyway.

[Anonymous No.17468564]

>>17468554
>lucifer's hammer
Not /sffg/, an op-ed in a late 70s SF magazine told me so.

[Anonymous No.17468565]

>>17468528
Game of Thrones kind of loses it's track of where its going. So if there was a problem, I'd say it's lack of focus.
But other than that, GRRM is actually a good writer. The memes are only memes.

[Anonymous No.17468567]

>>17468555
It makes sense if you think about it. How does a cuck have sex? With his eyes!

[Anonymous No.17468577]

>>17468567
LMAO

Audiocuck BTFO

[Anonymous No.17468588]

>>17468567
Thanks for this insight into your life.

[Anonymous No.17468620]

>>17468567
>>17468577
>>17468588
>>17468555
All this rabble just because I'm not a Bakker simp.

[Anonymous No.17468644]

>>17468588
>NO U!
Did I strike a deep cord there, buddy?

[Anonymous No.17468670]

>>17468644
You've fascinated me by sharing your lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.17468683]

>>17464769
I found the first one disgusting, but if you're a genocidal utopian with all the answers it's probably the book for you.

[Anonymous No.17468703]

>>17459791
>Simon
Who? I've read the Cradle series.

[Anonymous No.17468715]

>>17468670
>NOOO UUUU!!!!
Well, that settles it then.

I accept your unconditional surrender,

[Anonymous No.17468727]

>>17468715
I appreciate your lifestyle from a distance, so I have to decline your invitation to have missionary sex with your wife.

[Anonymous No.17468731]

It seems I will have to make bakker word art memes.

[Anonymous No.17468732]

>>17468715
>>17468670
>>17468644
>>17468588
Just to make clear, neither of you guys are replying to me. The one you've dubbed "audiocuck". You realize this, right?
You're just two confused trolls attempting to troll each other.

[Anonymous No.17468738]

>>17468732
All me, including this post. Still not fucking anyone's girl, though.

[Anonymous No.17468752]

>>17464769
literally the best post-scarcity sci-fi that exists, heavily laden with subtext and subtlety, and some of the better prose among sci-fi writers. ignore the other posters, they are wrong.
starting with consider phlebas is fine but it's completely different from all the other culture books, you might be better off starting with player of games to get a better representation of what these books are.

[Anonymous No.17468756]

>>17468738
>Still not fucking anyone's girl, though.
>implying any one would fuck you for free

[Anonymous No.17468758]

>sffg used to be something
>come back after 3 months and it's nothing but bakker and weak trolls
You fucking tourists killed the only good thread on lit.

[Anonymous No.17468764]

>>17468756
So many cucks have inquired in this thread.

[Anonymous No.17468771]

>>17468758
>sffg used to be something
No it didn't, and you're objectively the tourist.

[Anonymous No.17468783]

>medium's primary demographic is women
>this thread's regulars are all men
That's why it sucks.

[Anonymous No.17468812]

I'm not making the next thread. Since it's all trolls and bakker simps right now. And besides, I don't have anything to say about what I'm currently reading.

[Anonymous No.17468832]

>>17468812
Read Bakker and join the conversation.

[Anonymous No.17468836]

>>17463929
I read it but I actually played Reach first. I liked the game more than the book desu. I can see why people might like the book better though.

[Anonymous No.17468883]

>>17468832
I'm not ready for Bakker. Since I have zero experience with philosophy. I need to prepare. What books would you recommend to help me comprehend Bakker's philosophies?

[Anonymous No.17468900]

>>17468883
You need a brain.

[Anonymous No.17468906]

>>17468883
Just join a philosophy discord server and you'll be a certified genius within 24 hours. Nothing can stand in your way. Surface level understanding no more.

[Anonymous No.17468929]

>>17468832
>read bakker
No way fag. All the posting about it turned me off, and the more it's posted about the more turned off of it I get.

[Anonymous No.17468941]

>>17468883
The philosophy is babby tier. It's the imagery, names, and realistic portrayal of women that people can't handle.

[Anonymous No.17468956]

>>17468929
This is why men of color are taking your women.

[Anonymous No.17468957]

>>17468941
Names? What about the names could possibly be difficult to handle?

[Anonymous No.17468958]

just finished this
pretty fucking good senpai

[Anonymous No.17469005]

>>17468956
Is this what they call Mutt's Law?

[Anonymous No.17469010]

>>17468957
Are you a monoglot ?

[Anonymous No.17469014]

>>17469005
Yes, but don't feed into it. These kinds of people *want* you to should "mutts law" at them. Don't give them what they want.

[Anonymous No.17469020]

>>17469010
Yeah, why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.17469035]

>>17469005
It's an objective observation, but you can throw your memes and buzzwords at it if it makes you feel better.

[Anonymous No.17469045]

>>17469020
Good luck with Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17469063]

>>17469045
I'm not reading bakker. And you didn't really answer my question.

I mean, the way I see it, a name is a name. You don't have to be able to pronounce it well. You only have to know what the name refers to. A name could be anything. I could make a sword and name is Floople-flopple, and all that really matters is that I remember it's called Floople-flopple. That's not more or less difficult than remembering any other name.

[Anonymous No.17469069]

>>17468957
The pronunciations can get a little weird and he throws a lot of them at you very fast in the first book

[Anonymous No.17469091]

>Anaxophus
>Anasurimbur
>Ikurei Conphas
>Nersei Proyas
>Paro Inrau
>Serwa
>Serwe
>Sorweel
>Areamanteras
>Arithmeas
>Siampas
>Sompas
>Scoulas
Literal tone deaf shit you'd come up with if you picked up random scrabble pieces.

https://princeofnothing.fandom.com/wiki/Character_list

[Anonymous No.17469097]

>>17469063
It’s not only names. Being a monoglot is very bad lexicon-wise. Aren’t you burgers ashamed? Go learn Spanish already.

[Anonymous No.17469160]

All sff literature has turned to shit. even things that used to be good

[Anonymous No.17469165]

>>17468957
I'm the guy you're asking. Nothing at all, for normal people. I should've really specified it's the stuff that *retarded* people can't handle. Like when we read Things Fall Apart in high school and some tards couldn't handle Okonkwo, Ekwefi, etc. Two and three syllable simple names with a great balance of vowels and consonants, and these brainlets couldn't handle it. Same thing happens with Bakker's Earwa books.

[Anonymous No.17469189]

Has anyone read any Seth Dickinson books? If so, are they any good?

[Anonymous No.17469215]

>>17469189
>Dickinson has blogged about explicitly addressing issues around gender and feminism, race and homosexuality, as well as imperialism in the world of Baru Cormorant.
I doubt anything he's written is worth my terribly abundant time

[Anonymous No.17469218]

>>17468771
>helped start sffg in 2014
>a tourist

[Anonymous No.17469259]

>>17469218
>leave and come back from time to time
Tourist.

[Anonymous No.17469409]

>>17469091
Cool, unique, interesting, fun to pronounce, historically resonant, not generic. I don’t see the problem (unless you’re a midwit)

[Anonymous No.17469423]

Just started the aspect Emperor.

Kellhus’s kids apparently have the worst of Dunyain and human in them. Like little satans.

[Anonymous No.17469517]

>>17469409
>subvocalizing fanboy with no ear for lyricism will eat any random combination of consonants and vowels Bakker sends his way, think they're funny sounds
lmao

[Anonymous No.17469537]

>>17469517
>Navani
>Dalinar
>Shallan
cringe pleb tier

[Anonymous No.17469545]

>>17469537
There are more than two fantasy writers, cancerous retard.

[Anonymous No.17469550]

>>17461776
Way of Kings and Stormlight in general is great. Apparently it's normie shit even according to Reddit but I like it anyway.

[Anonymous No.17469551]

>>17469545
Who's the third?

[Anonymous No.17469562]

>>17469545
Triggered Sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17469563]

>>17469423
>but you love us anyway :)

[Anonymous No.17469572]

>>17469563
I am actually a little shocked. Autistic Anarusimbor is already bad, but also human (evil)?

It’s still too early to say. But I hope that at least one of them is not a cunt.

[Anonymous No.17469578]

>>17469409
Based

[Anonymous No.17469584]

>>17469572
Serwa is possibly the least assholish of them desu. RAFO, Anon.

[Anonymous No.17469586]

What are some of the worst fantasy world maps you've ever seen?

[Anonymous No.17469610]

Someone bake the new bread

[Anonymous No.17469673]

>>17469586
Roshar

[Anonymous No.17469690]

Way too many replies. This will be the last.

[Anonymous No.17469693]

>>17468764
>>17468727
>>17468670
>>17468588
>seething cuck

[Anonymous No.17469721]

last for fuck sandersoys

[Anonymous No.17469735]

>>17469693
A cuck wouldn't be mad when called a cuck. They're cucks.

[Anonymous No.17469755]

>>17469572
How is she evil? I think she doesn't care about Sorweel at all at the time, she just has to make him hate her so the Ishterebinth Nonmen honor the alliance.

[Anonymous No.17469948]

>>17469097
We do have Spanish language classes actually. My school had Spanish, French, and one other I can't think of now. Unfortunately, we don't get alternative language classes until high school. At which point, learning a new language is pretty darn hard.

The south-west part of America is adopting Spanish at a faster rate, because of all the immigrants.

I'm not ashamed for only knowing a single language, because I know the universal language of English. Everyone else learns their native language and English. And then think they're all high and mighty for learning the universal language. And it's like, of course you've learned a second language, you HAVE to in order make it in this world. But I don't. Maybe in like 20-40 year, Chinese will become the language to learn. But that's unlikely, since China is learning English too.

>>17469165
>Okonkwo
>Ekwefi
Not going to lie. Those tripped me up for a second, but I think I got them after a few tries. It's probably harder reading in front of a class. Since there's pressure and anxiety to contend with. Public speaking can easily diminish a person's linguistic skills down to zero.

[Anonymous No.17470074]

>>17469586
Roshar, Azeroth

[Anonymous No.17470079]

>>17470074
Almost forgot Tamriel.

[Anonymous No.17470095]

>>17469091
>>17469165
>>17469069
But seriously how do you pronounce Bakkerwords? I'm saying hard C, J like in German, "ei" and "ai" like the vowel sounds in "stay" and "try" respectively, "e" as in get, "i" always like in Latin. I'm not even sure where to begin with all his accents and umlauts, it's like sometimes they indicate a certain sound and other times they're just for looks. Is this in one of the fatass appendices?

[Anonymous No.17470154]

>>17469948
We didn't read them out loud in school, that was in elementary school. When discussing it in class though, about half the class magically turned dyslexic, but just for the names.
>O-okwo
>Okokwo
>Okuniko
are some of the butcherings I've heard of that simple name.
>>17470095
Depends on the language of origin you poor monoglot. Every culture in the books has an obvious parallel in reality.

[Anonymous No.17470192]

>>17470154
Okokwo is easier to pronounce. The N just feels like a needless hurdle.
Or, it would be better if you replaced the first K with another N. Ononkwo rolls of the tongue.
I don't really have a probably with strange names. But I do think that there is a range of sounds that are more comfortable than others. And so if you're going to go with odd names, you should at least make them comfortable to say.

[Anonymous No.17470234]

>>17470192
Do you know any languages besides English, out of curiosity? I do, though both other languages are still Indo-European, and I find all the Okonkwo variants equally simple. Okonkwo just seems the most right because that's the name in the book.
I can't think of a single Bakker name that was uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.17470278]

>>17470095
you’re right on the money with the pronunciations. a lot of it is taken directly from tolkien’s linguistics.

ä = ah as in draw
ë = ay as in say
û = oo as in you

[Anonymous No.17470323]

>>17470278
doubled vowels are pronounced separately. stress is either on the first or
second syllable (in tolkien it’s generally always the second syllable), unless there’s an accent mark, in which case that syllable is stressed. pretty straightforward desu, tolkien’s linguistics are much more complicated.

Moënghus = Moe-AIN-gus
Ishuäl = Ish-oo-AHL
Eärwa = Ay-AR-wah
Anasûrimbor = Ah-nah-SOO-rim-bore

I really love Bakker’s names, they were the first thing i noticed about his writing that really captivated me. Place-names in particular like Auvangshei, Attrempus, Aöknyssus and Sakarpus are just fantastic desu. Foreign and otherwordly, but still evocative of real world historic cultures.