Ernesto Sábato

[Anonymous No.17450348]

Tell me about Sábato. Where does he stand within the LatAm canon?

[Anonymous No.17450387]

>>17450348
>LatAm cannon

[Anonymous No.17450711]

bump

[Anonymous No.17450741]

>>17450348
DOGSHIT

[Anonymous No.17450902]

>>17450348
c...can browns be sad? u.u

[Anonymous No.17450906]

>>17450387
>>17450711
>>17450741
>>17450902
anyone want to give me a real take

[Anonymous No.17450932]

>>17450906
run of the mill existentialist, you'd be better off reading onetti

[Anonymous No.17450969]

>>17450932
thanks fren

[Anonymous No.17450982]

>>17450969
if you're interested you should read the tunnel tho, is less than 150 pages long

[Anonymous No.17451078]

I'm Argentinian. He's an okay writter. The Tunnel is his most popular book, it's a middle school reading (15 yo~) for us. I find him quite cringe. Most people who actually read consider him a midwit.
Imo, the best Argie lit is everything by Borges and The Slaugther Yard by Esteban Echeverría. The later is more historical, it's the first work of prose fiction written here. It's short and very good. You may want to read a Wikipedia article ir smth before, as it deals with historical and political issues a foreigner probably has no idea of

[Anonymous No.17451121]

>>17451078
>Imo, the best Argie lit is everything by Borges and The Slaugther Yard by Esteban Echeverría

and Cortázar too, right?

[Anonymous No.17451181]

>>17450348
Don't listen to the rest of the plebs here. He's a major novelist, the true heir of Dostoyevski. He was also an excellent essayist. Read his three novels in order, they build and expand upon each other.

[Anonymous No.17451626]

>>17451181
Whats so great about him?

[Anonymous No.17451640]

I really enjoyed the Informe sobre ciegos part of Sobre Héroes y Tumbas

[Anonymous No.17451798]

>>17451626
He's...uh...he...did I mention he's Argentine? We have such a great literary tradition.

[Anonymous No.17451865]

>>17451078
Didn't Borges consider him an opportunistic midwit, too?

[Anonymous No.17452090]

>>17451865
They used to be friends or at least civil during the meetings of a writer's association (can't remember if it was SAG or the Letters academy, probably the latter) and they eventually got into a fight through open letters due to mostly political bullshit. I think Borges wrote one, and Sábato replied with a bunch of nonsense, and kept at it. Since then, Borges considered Sábato a self absorbed thin skinned dumbass. He had a joke about how Sábato would go mad if some literal who would've written an open letter against him in some random Guyanese newspaper.

The major Argie writers Borges considered hacks were Roberto Arlt (reader of cheap translations, very poor command of the language) and Quiroga (Quiroga being an honorary Argentine, not sure why he despised him).

[Anonymous No.17452102]

El túnel kind of sucked because Juan Pablo was such a beta bitch. Sobre héroes y tumbas seems cool, but I have yet to read it.

[Anonymous No.17452105]

>>17451865
>>17452090
Btw, they met for a final time after several decades of no contact. They took a stroll, had a coffee or a beer and parted ways amiably.
https://www.infobae.com/tendencias/2016/12/17/el-dia-que-borges-y-sabato-se-sentaron-a-conversar/

[Anonymous No.17452109]

>>17451078
What do you think of Arlt?

[Anonymous No.17452110]

>>17452090
Borges was a conservative of sorts and Sabato was a disillusioned former communist. No wonder things went south pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.17452115]

>>17452102
>literary quality depends on whether the character is a "beta bitch" or not

[Anonymous No.17452119]

>>17452115
Oh, well the book is plainly written, too. If that's what you want.

[Anonymous No.17452136]

>>17450348
If you want to read Argentinan literature read Borges, Cortázar, and maybe Piglia. For some lesser known Latin American literature, check out this chart. I specifically reccomend Eduardo Galeano.

[Anonymous No.17452179]

>>17452136
All those books were written and published in Argentina, sorry kid.

[Anonymous No.17452188]

>>17450348
Sus novelas si bien son sencillas, no dejan de ser interesantes, tal vez no toquen temas que nunca hayan sido explorados, pero vale la pena leerlas. Lee si te interesa "El túnel" que es corto, si te gusta seguí por " Sobre héroes y tumbas" y concluí en " Abbadon el exterminador". También escribió ensayos, en mí opinion bastante buenos, siempre recomiendo "Hombres y engranajes"

[Anonymous No.17452288]

His novels get increasingly complex and he has some poetic passages here and there.
The Tunnel: Dostoevski sifted through Sartre. An obsessive character rants trying to hint at the higher meaning behind his seemingly deranged actions. While reading it I did enjoy the feeling that the main character knew what he wanted to say, but was unable to articulate it, which is the whole point (incommunication being one of the main themes). Essentially a book for young people.
On heroes and tombs: there seems to be an attempt at linking the intimate and/or surrealist experiences of the characters with the History of Argentina which I don't fully get, and the main characters are intense teenagers, but overall it's much better than The tunnel and the third part of the book (Report on the blind) is great. Possibly the best thing he ever wrote.
Abaddon: his most experimental, not sure if technically proficient or just self-indulgent. Sabato himself features as a character and there are plenty of scenes of him just yelling at students for not "getting" literature.

[Anonymous No.17452356]

>>17452090
Borges' opinion on Quevedo pretty much invalidates all the rest of his literary criticism.

[Anonymous No.17452376]

>>17452356
What opinion?

[Anonymous No.17452444]

>>17452376
"Quevedo was known for two things: his prose and his antisemitism, and only one of them was amusing"

[Anonymous No.17452464]

>>17452179
I mean Idrc I'm not trying to say one country or another has worse or better literature, just spreading good literature my fren.

[Anonymous No.17452501]

>>17452444
I don't know the source for that quote, but whatever, sounds like a typical Borges quip. He loathed baroque literature in general. Still, no reason to reduce his essays and criticism based on that.

[Anonymous No.17452661]

>>17452288
>plenty of scenes of him just yelling at students for not "getting" literature
Sounds pretty based

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYSEULU. No.17452782]

THE ACTUAL TERM IS: «HISPANOAMERICAN», NOT: «LATINOAMERICAN».

[Anonymous No.17453164]

>>17452782
Okay spic

[Anonymous No.17453480]

Yeah, Cortázar too. I´m not personally very fond of his style. I find him a bit too "MUH LOT OF WORDS MUH MODERN LITERATURE". Tho I do recognize he´s very talented and definitely part of the LatAm canon. His short stories are good; his novels, though...
I´m a Borges enjoyer. Also it´s kind of a joke here, in most lit conversations the question about whether you prefer Borges or Cortázar will show up.

[Anonymous No.17453489]

>>17451121
>>17453480
Sorry anon, forgot to quote you.

[Anonymous No.17453514]

>>17451078
>doesn't mention Martín Fierro
Opinion discarded

>>17452782
>muh language is sacred don't make up new words

[Anonymous No.17453614]

>>17453514
>>17453164
>paying attention to a literal schizo
mates, c'mon

[Anonymous No.17453724]

>>17453614
>mates
Basado argiebro

[Anonymous No.17453792]

>>17453514
Martín Fierro has no value translated. There's no point in having a foreigner read it.
Also, based argiebro. Los hermanos sean unidos porque esa es la ley primera.

[Anonymous No.17454889]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17455081]

Was Borges always huge in latin America or did he get his due after his death?

[Anonymous No.17455829]

>>17453792
Then they should learn spanish, MF is timeless

>>17455081
Argieland was (and is) full of peroniggers, so Borges and Cortázar weren't well received

[Anonymous No.17456290]

Borges in an interview tells that he loved and write like the Baroque, but that Bioy Casares was curing him from that, he says that he owes a lot to Bioy Casares and not the other way around

[Anonymous No.17456330]

>>17452288
this is the most accuarate reply.
I agree Sabato is best enjoyed reading him at the 15-21 years of age.

[Anonymous No.17456685]

>>17452136
Do you have the chart for Mexico?

[Anonymous No.17456724]

>>17456685
There's another one out there but I can't ever seem to find it, and unfortunately it's the better chart imo.

[Anonymous No.17457297]

>>17455081
To be big in Latin America you first have to be big in Europe; Borges became famous here only after winning a bunch of prizes in Paris.

[Anonymous No.17458029]

>>17457297
Based Frenchies