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Anyone into this genre? I've read the standard Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammet classics and I'm looking for more recommendations. Post anything good.

>> No.17442902

>>17442832
>>>/r/eddit

>> No.17443272

>>17442902
I think you meant to reply to yourself with that comment.

Check out Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer novels. Also check out Chandler's short stories. Some of those are really good.
Ross Macdonald's Lew Archer novels are another good series to get into.
You can also check out Charles Willeford's Hoke Moseley novels too.

>> No.17443292

>>17443272
Too add to this if you want a female version check out Sara Paretsky's V.I. Warshawski novels, and Walter Moseley's Eazy Rawlins novels. I recommend both.

>> No.17443656

He isn’t exactly hardboiled, though elements of the genre are present in his work, but Elmore Leonard.

>> No.17443685

The Paul Auster New York trilogy is very fun

>> No.17444242

A big part of what makes Neuromancer fun is that he's obviously riffing on hard-boiled detective fiction, but he does it extremely well, imho.

>> No.17444434

Ellroy’s LA quartet is ridiculously good

>> No.17444436

>>17444434
What?

>> No.17444439

>>17442902
Oh no someone on /lit/ talking about real books!!!!!

>> No.17444460

>>17443656
I was thinking of reading some Leonard a few months ago but got really intimidated by the amount of shit under his name. Do you have any recommended starting points?

>> No.17444477

>>17444436
James Ellroy, author of Black Dahlia. it went on to become a fairly successful movie if i recall.

>> No.17444502

>>17442832
Georges Simenon

>> No.17444555

>>17442832

If you don't need them to be detective novels there are plenty of good crime novels you'd probably enjoy.

Pop. 1280, The Killer Inside Me and The Grifters by Jim Thompson are all great
Black Wings has my Angel by Elliott Chaze is probably my favorite hard boiled crime novel
David Goodis is great, I loved Black Friday but haven't read Dark Passage, his most famous one
The French do some good crime novels that take cues from the classic American crime novels as well, Jean-Patrick Manchette and Frederic Dard are authors I like.
I've heard good things about Friedrich Durrenmatt but haven't read anything by him myself

The Japanese also write a lot of detective novels inspired by American detective novels. The Devotion of Suspect X by Keigo Higashino is a notable one as well as Out by Natsuo Kirino

>> No.17444562

>>17444460
Any book of his is a good start, honestly. My personal favorites are Get Shorty, Rum Punch, Swag, and Freaky Deaky. You can’t really go wrong with him, though, so I’d just recommend buying what sounds most interesting to you.

>> No.17445099

>>17444562
Love Elmore Leonard, Killshot is really good too.

For OP I'd recommend Jean-Patrick Manchette, especially if you like Dashiell Hammett. Check out Fatale, Nada, The Mad and the Bad, and 3 to Kill as good starters

>> No.17445246

>>17444460
This >>17444562 is a good list.

I also like The Hunted. And Unknown Man # 89 is pretty good.

Valdez is Coming is a good Western by Leonard.

>> No.17445261

>>17442832
"The Hunt for the Faggot, OP."

>> No.17447133

>>17444477
>James Ellroy, author of Black Dahlia. it went on to become a fairly successful movie if i recall.
The movie wasn’t “Fairly Successful”,
It just broke even.
It was also confusing when you think you’re watching a “historical” film, and it turns out to be a completely fictional and highly modified version of the original events.

On the other hand, it seemed like it might be based on a hood book.

>> No.17447142

Don’t forget Patricia Highsmith,
Kniwn for the Ripley novels, as well as ‘Strangers on a Train’ etc.

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>> No.17447475

>>17444460
Other two replies are bang on, but for further variety he also has a collection of western short stories that are excellent. That was my gateway along with Get Shorty.

>> No.17448419

>>17442832
This guy: http://mikegrost.com/chandler.htm has commentary on classic detective fiction that addresses itself to many lesser-known writers (e.g., the Frederick Nebel story "Rough Justice"). He's a very thoughtful and well-read commentator (see, e.g., http://mikegrost.com/hammett.htm)), who has led me to some interesting, obscure stuff. If you want to discover lesser known or largely forgotten hardboiled detective stories, that website is the place to do it. See, e.g.: http://mikegrost.com/pulpadv.htm ; see also http://mikegrost.com/hardboil.htm

One thing about hardboiled detective fiction is it's difficult or impossible to set such stories, with all their traditional tropes, in a contemporary setting without it becoming kitsch. The whole approach has to be reworked.

George Pelecanos writes excellent crime fiction and detective stories set mostly in modern-day DC. Essentially, they're hardboiled detective stories minus some of the hardboiled trappings that simply don't translate to a contemporary setting.

Probably my favorite among his books is the Derek Strange - Terry Quinn private eye trilogy: Right as Rain, Hell to Pay, Soul Circus. It has a different vibe than Hammett and Chandler, but it's really good stuff nonetheless.

>> No.17448446

>>17448419
>it's difficult or impossible to set such stories, with all their traditional tropes, in a contemporary setting without it becoming kitsch

nigga pls, x-files, true detective #1

>> No.17448466

>>17448446
+ most cyberpunk books/movies

part of why cyberpunk 2077 is cringe is because they completely ignored that component

>> No.17448770

>>17448466
>cyberpunk 2077
That side job in cyberpunk where Johnny narrates in the Raymond Chandler style while V is doing the job is pretty funny

>> No.17449140

>>17448770
well, should have been more than a side-gimmick

i'm talking LA noir cyberpunk edition like blade runna

>> No.17449507

>>17448446
I love TD season 1 but it's very far from traditional hardboiled detective fiction in the mode of Hammett and Chandler. Likewise X Files. You can't do Chandler/Hammett in a contemporary setting; you have to rework the tropes completely (or do a retro thing set in the 20s through 50s).