/lit/ - Literature

[Turk No.17428039]

Reading is a pointless exercise that mirrors the worthless experience of entertainement, the only value attained from it is a changed manner of which the reader views his surroundings -- sadly, these surroundings usually are the ones of a life focussed on repeated fixation on frivolties such as philosophy, history, poetry and other activities, spent not within the act of experiencing life itself in the first place; literature only distances man further from the arms of mother nature, and gradually curses him with roots grown in concrete, in favor of earth and a blocked view of text, instead of a horizon he can enter and interact with.

[Anonymous No.17428050]

>>17428039
brainlet take.

[Anonymous No.17428066]

>>17428050
Write an argument, otherwise, cope.

[Anonymous No.17428071]

If you’re tired of getting filtered just give up and become a modern day liberal and bring up Marx and Foucault anytime you have a debate with someone. Perfect for people like you who don’t read.

[Anonymous No.17428077]

>>17428071
Again, write an argument if youre such a smart cookie

[Anonymous No.17428079]

>>17428066
No, enjoy being a brainlet. Quit reading and start living. That is the Chad move. Enjoy yourself, it is not like I care about you or anyone who listens to such bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17428093]

>>17428039
I listen to audiobooks so I don’t apply

[Anonymous No.17428094]

>>17428079
lol, sorry I offended you, are you crying?

[Anonymous No.17428102]

>>17428079
>brainlet
>hes so smart that he gets emotional and is unable to form a rational argument to showcase why OP is wrong

[Anonymous No.17428111]

read better books, books have changed my actions

[Anonymous No.17428113]

>>17428079
Why even post when you wont say anything substantive?

[Anonymous No.17428117]

>>17428111
haha, im not complaining, I'm criticizing people who build their life around reading

[Anonymous No.17428155]

>>17428111
And I also acknowledge this in my post, I think you didnt fully understand my point anyways.

[Anonymous No.17428166]

>>17428155
i stopped after the first statement

[Anonymous No.17428170]

>>17428113
>>17428094
>>17428102
You are not baiting me into doing your homework, and underages shouldn't be here.

[Anonymous No.17428171]

>>17428166
>filtered

[Anonymous No.17428188]

>>17428039
U can read without being pallid, gluttonous, bookworm. You’re not really challenging anyone except eggheads.

[Anonymous No.17428192]

>>17428188
Whats your routine like?

[Anonymous No.17428222]

>>17428111
This, for example the faerie queene by Edmund Spenser

[Anonymous No.17428231]

>>17428170
>underages shouldnt be here

[Anonymous No.17428256]

>>17428111
You can reach every conclusion you gain from literature independantly

[Anonymous No.17428337]

>>17428170
>and underages shouldnt be here
get off 4chan then

[Anonymous No.17428356]

>>17428337
I'm not, and I read books, anon. There are always those retarded posts "why read this? why read that?" Just fucking do your research. I'm not spoon feeding retards.

[Anonymous No.17428377]

>>17428356
I'm not asking anything, nor do I care for your worthless opinion, I read too, youre not special, yet I believe this, I made this statement and if you disagree, good for you, I dont really care.

[Anonymous No.17428401]

test

[Anonymous No.17428403]

>>17428039
Implying that actually living life offers more worthwhile experiences.

[Anonymous No.17428433]

>>17428377
It is just the same old shit, anon. The same fucking shit, regurgitated over and over again. Not even about me, more about the state of this board. Anons are retarded, they keep rambling about the same stupid shit without getting any further into it (you would know how bad this is if you had read about it). There is no substance in that, anon. I'm probably expecting too much out of anons.

[Anonymous No.17428434]

>>17428403
Everything you classify as "not life" is just a distilled interpretation of it

[Anonymous No.17428445]

>>17428434
yeah but what is your point?

[Anonymous No.17428472]

>>17428433
I completely understand and that is alright, I personally would really enjoy sharing more arguments attached to this point as a whole, but the point itself is just part of a larger pattern that developed on this board, trust me when I say I get what you mean, but see myself as someone holding different beliefs than what you mostly associate with posts like these, because I have different intentions, I'd recommend just chatting with some students (if youre still in college), but in general, expecting from 4chan what you think of it on surface compared to things you have genuine interest in.

[Anonymous No.17428498]

>>17428472
And I'll be somewhat nice with you and say that only 'experiencing' and getting inside a book is one way of reading. Books allow you to pry inside the author's head, anon. There is no other mean to do that outside of it. You could be a therapist or something, but other than that, the best you can get are books.

[Anonymous No.17428502]

>>17428445
Find what you enjoy in imitations of life, in life itself, because you long for the reality of those experiences, not romantizations of them, even the smallest true form of what you enjoy in literature, is best experienced, its better to have real dialogues than to read about them, because there will come a day, where youre re-reading something you once really enjoyed and you will realize that you really long for a deeper lying experience associated with what youre reading (non-fiction included), a practical one.

[Anonymous No.17428507]

>>17428498
*no other mean, considering that most authors are dead,

[Anonymous No.17428559]

>>17428498
There is no need for animosity here, its just the baseline attitude of 4chan; literature is in my opinion, often a substitute for an immaterial exchange in real life, in what way can a conversation with a good friend not mirror a dialogue of plato? The value of a book is honestly only that thoughts had before you exist in a documented form, on which you can build an even more nuanced thought, which, oddly, is supposed to be what a father provides for you, he experiences life, learns about it/through it, and then passes it on to you, with which you then continue this process, which is an experience even richer, because you can interact with this thought and challenge it directly, develop it and improve it.

[Anonymous No.17428569]

>>17428498
my point is, that a substitute of life usually fills the absence of something real.

[Anonymous No.17428579]

>>17428039
pfft.
The act of experience is subjective and the pleasures to be sought and found in philosophy can easily bring as much pleasure and pain as they do in OP's evident practical reality.
In fact, without them, we would not have a self to operate. For it is the awareness of a future that splits man from beast and this aspect of the self is what can easily take to mean themselves at all.

[Anonymous No.17428581]

>>17428559
KEK anon, how many friends do you have? Do you unironically got plenty of friends willing to talk about such things for an entire day? That is the point of books too, they tend to be always available. You'll know when you get older, but friends get married, get to do something else on life and tend to move on.

[Anonymous No.17428606]

>>17428559
And are your friends that bright? People are just regular people, anon. Great people usually do a great deal of effort to get to their books.

[Anonymous No.17428608]

>>17428579
>implying man is superior to beast
subjectivity in man is built on objectivity

[Anonymous No.17428618]

>>17428569
"something real" seems to in short supply these days

[Anonymous No.17428619]

>>17428581
I think youre just projecting abandonment issues

[Anonymous No.17428627]

>>17428606
If you see everybody as 'just people' you will never meet these kinds of people, because then theyll blend in with the others, how do you know you arent just another 'just people' type person?

[Anonymous No.17428634]

>>17428618
And you should do something about it instead of coping with reading

[Anonymous No.17428647]

>>17428627
Because I tried that in college? Most students don't give a shit about anything that isn't related to their courses.

[Anonymous No.17428655]

>>17428039
It's clear you consider yourself some sort of poetic philosopher--you choose to communicate this soi-disant 'wisdom' through the written word. You didn't, for example, effect your wisdom by planting a tree, staring longingly into the reflection of a sunset in your lover's eyes, by doing a fucking interpretive dance in a meadow. You yourself clearly value the power of the written word to enrich lived experience, change another's habits etc, or you wouldn't be trying to do it through your fatuous creative writing class philosophical blurb. Now please do wank off a goat or whatever will help you find some consistency within yourself.

[Anonymous No.17428658]

>>17428647
There were TWO guys, and that was it. I unironically miss them sometimes.

[Anonymous No.17428665]

>>17428634
I prefer fantasy over reality actually. Life is awfully dreary and I find myself needing to escape it as often as life permits.

[Anonymous No.17428672]

>>17428608
>actually implying that man is superior to beast insofar as thinking of the future is concerned, whereas, for instance, a whale is by far the superior beast in terms of mass repeated into the animal kingdom ad infinitum.

Epimethean thinkers will always come second to the Promethean thinker.

[Anonymous No.17428677]

>>17428647
Its rarely the fault of others, there are a lot of people in college and only one you, you are always the common denominator and rarely do things like this happen because youre 'just too smart' or whatever excuse you deluded yourself with

[Anonymous No.17428684]

>>17428677
No, anon. People feel like talking about other shit. I'm not incorporating fucking Socrates and annoying the shit out of everyone. You take hints, some people feel like just chilling and not thinking about anything.

[Anonymous No.17428686]

>>17428655
Not really, I just spent most of my teen years with philosophy and now do agriculture, and like agriculture more.

[Anonymous No.17428690]

>>17428665
Sounds like a coping process

[Anonymous No.17428695]

>>17428672
youre a pretentious faggot

[Anonymous No.17428701]

>>17428684
Its obviously your fault that youre associated with these 'people' but im not here to give you life advice, I just know what worked for me.

[Anonymous No.17428727]

>>17428684
and youre not supposed to talk to normies about shit like this retard, you shouldve found some decent humanity students or something

[Anonymous No.17428731]

>>17428672
you sound like an insufferable homo

[Anonymous No.17428747]

>>17428655
>now please wank off a goat
XD random you really owned me there

[Anonymous No.17428756]

>>17428686
Your continued engagement in debate just confirms the point: you value the written word to convey, persuade, glorify, whatever. If you really believe what you say go out and hoe a few rows, otherwise you're wasting your life on frivolities which makes you no better than those to whom you (imagine you) condescend. Or maybe there's time for both, which also refutes your point.

[Anonymous No.17428771]

>>17428747
So you replied with your meek little 'not really I just' bullshit..., seethed some more, thought about it, and this is what you came back with? You're falling apart, lad.

[Anonymous No.17428779]

>>17428690
>Sounds like a coping process
It is. a coping process is literally all we have, irrespective of what form it takes.

[Anonymous No.17428809]

>>17428756
I guess I was wrong not to say that I dont mean "all reading is bad" but thats beyond the point, I do this, maybe, every 2 weeks and if you view a statement, barely a critique, which is not even directed at people I view as different from me, not even speaking of below me, is not even the point of my post in the first place, I do enjoy a debate, I dont think I said I didnt, but I have them more often IRL than I do on /lit/

[Anonymous No.17428823]

>>17428771
Hey, if that makes you happy, I got better things to invest my energy into, which was my point in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17428825]

>>17428731
I have only banged one man in the ass and his name was Mandy at a Thai hotel.

[Anonymous No.17428862]

>>17428779
You do you

[Anonymous No.17428872]

Right on.

[Anonymous No.17428878]

>>17428825
kek

[Anonymous No.17428892]

>>17428727
KEK anon, I used to study Physics. And it is better to just get a book about it.

[Anonymous No.17428898]

>>17428872
I dont think you'd regret losing weight, tubby.

[Anonymous No.17428910]

>>17428892
didnt say study it, said find students who care about this stuff to talk to.

[Anonymous No.17428963]

>>17428898
yeah but I might regret abstaining from all those pork sausages.

[Anonymous No.17428984]

>>17428963

[Anonymous No.17429015]

>>17428113
This thread is not substantive

[Anonymous No.17429017]

>>17428910
Still, you are implying that most people are as insightful as great authors. This is stupid, anon. Books are all about getting near a great mind, and it is not like you can find those anywhere.

[Anonymous No.17429036]

>>17429017
They are not supposed to take the role of somebody passing down wisdom, thats supposed to be you dad, anon

[Anonymous No.17429051]

>>17429015
Your mom is not substantive

[Anonymous No.17429054]

>>17429017
and I said this previously, just saying that there are people who you can talk to about stuff like this

[Anonymous No.17429062]

>>17429036
Dads aren't supposed to know everything, anon. That is not how it works, and realizing this is part of growing up.

[Anonymous No.17429067]

>>17429062
Realizing that they probably did their best is also part of maturing.

[Anonymous No.17429084]

>>17429062
Dads are supposed to know as much as you should, you build on their knowledge, hence the rebellion phase in the teenage years, its challenging the beliefs passed down

[Anonymous No.17429095]

>>17429084
No, they aren't. Have you ever been near a kid? They have almost endless curiosity, I don't know what life you have been living, anon. But you are talking shit or pretending to be a retard.

[Anonymous No.17429107]

>>17429095
Yeah, youre supposed to know a certain amount of that

[Anonymous No.17429111]

>>17429095
Fathers are teachers.

[Anonymous No.17429130]

>>17429095
Fathers are teachers, mothers are caregivers, why else are all these questions directed towards the father?

[Anonymous No.17429156]

>>17429095
I don't think he's pretending

[Anonymous No.17429159]

>>17429156
They don't have women teaching at schools in the US?

[Anonymous No.17429162]

>>17429156
I think youre a brainlet who never took a second to think about this

[Anonymous No.17429163]

>>17428039
If you're right, you're wrong. So you will need a better post.

[Anonymous No.17429172]

>>17429163
seethe

[Anonymous No.17429202]

>>17428050
deep down, you know being a jawlet is worse than being a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.17429213]

>>17429202
Yes, I do inject GH. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.17429239]

>>17429213

[Anonymous No.17429255]

>>17428686
so what, I do both faggot

[Anonymous No.17429263]

>>17429255
Thats good, I didnt say all reading is bad, seems like you didnt really read the thread

[Anonymous No.17429281]

Wow this is so deep, thank you for completely changing my outlook on life. Wanna come over and fuck my wife?

[Anonymous No.17429300]

>>17429281
haha sex so funny sex sex boobs ass boobies

[Anonymous No.17430445]

>>17428039
Filtered

[Anonymous No.17431737]

>>17428039
True only working for mister Shekelstein is a worthy endeavour

[Anonymous No.17431750]

>>17428039
Why do you assume those who read spend excessive attention on "philosophy, history, poetry and other activities"
When im not reading im doing drugs and climbing trees

[Anonymous No.17431780]

>>17428039
There you go OP.

[Anonymous No.17431885]

>>17428039
"MuH Reading is pointless, here's why:"
>expresses this thought in writing
>expects you to read it

Pathetic, the actual state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.17431906]

>>17428066
>Write an argument.
One needs to have a healthy balance of books and life-experience. So you're right in a sense.
>‘WHY, William, on that old grey stone,
>Thus for the length of half a day,
>Why, William, sit you thus alone,
.And dream your time away?

>‘Where are your books?—that light bequeathed
>To Beings else forlorn and blind!
>Up! up! and drink the spirit breathed
>From dead men to their kind.

>‘You look round on your Mother Earth,
>As if she for no purpose bore you;
>As if you were her first-born birth,
>And none had lived before you!’

>One morning thus, by Esthwaite lake,
>When life was sweet, I knew not why,
>To me my good friend Matthew spake,
>And thus I made reply:

>‘The eye—it cannot choose but see;
>We cannot bid the ear be still;
>Our bodies feel, where’er they be,
>Against, or with our will.

>‘Nor less I deem that there are Powers
>Which of themselves our minds impress;
>That we can feed this mind of ours
>In a wise passiveness.

>‘Think you, ’mid all this mighty sum
>Of things for ever speaking,
>That nothing of itself will come,
>But we must still be seeking?

>‘—Then ask not wherefore, here, alone,
>Conversing as I may,
>I sit upon this old grey stone,
>And dream my time away.’

[Anonymous No.17431934]

What an incredibly pointless THREAD, though. Have your precepts, man, that's fine, but you can't make a thread on 4chan and then say that someone reading a book is pointless.

[Anonymous No.17432068]

>>17428039
shut up fag

[Anonymous No.17432087]

>>17431934
this thread is pure 4chan
>pointless
>pretentious
>contrarian
>annoying
>everyone keeps replying

[Anonymous No.17432101]

>>17428071
why is everyone so obsessed with fucking foucault holy shit

[Anonymous No.17432128]

>>17428071
Why would liberals bring up Marx?

[Anonymous No.17432171]

>>17428117
>haha

[Anonymous No.17432185]

>>17428039
All literature does is change ones world view? Really? Is that all. Well then it must be a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.17432709]

MFW everybodies counter-argument is seething

[Anonymous No.17432858]

>>17428039
If you bring a thimble to a river, one drink won’t suffice