Predestination in Islam

[Anonymous No.17423531]

any texts out there that discuss this?

from Al-Baqarah:

>(Pickthall) As for the disbelievers, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

of this Al-Sa'di says
>the means of attaining knowledge and goodness are blocked for them, so there is no hope for them and no goodness is to be expected of them"
Al-Maybudi says
>approval and wrath are beginningless attributes
Al-Qurtubi says
>We find here definitive proof of the fact that it is Allah who is the author of guidance and misguidance. So we can only be amazed at the obtuseness of the minds of the Qadariyya who say that they are the authors of their own faith and guidance."

does this mean Allah chooses ahead of time who will be saved and who will be doomed? idk it kinda reminds of Calvin from the very superficial understand i have of him

[Anonymous No.17423620]

>>17423531
do not question allah scum

[Anonymous No.17423633]

>>17423620
don't read, just recite words without knowing what they mean!

[Anonymous No.17423944]

>>17423531
That depends on what perspective you want to look at. To put this very concisely and to roughly sum it up, Ash'arism is hard determinist and Salafism is compatibilist (so like Calvin in some respects). Mu'tazilism held to libertarian free will, and you see that in some Shi'ite scholars who had a sort of Mu'tazilite theology, though Shi'ite theology also has elements of compatibilism in it.

[Anonymous No.17424633]

>>17423531
This has been debated among the philosophers over the years but essentially God must know what a person will do since He is God. The example that has been used is that humans are in a simulation where God already knows the outcome and whatever happens at every step.

However humanity has to experience them performing their own actions themselves since they are to be judged so there is no doubt.

[Anonymous No.17424637]

>>17423531
We make the choices that lead us to salvation or punishment, but Allah knows what choices will make before we have made them

[Anonymous No.17424640]

What's up with all the Islam shills in lit?

[Anonymous No.17424651]

>>17424640
Europeans are awake.

[Anonymous No.17424663]

>>17424651
They wouldn't survive a month in a Muslim majority country. I'd say it's just plain old orientalism.

[Anonymous No.17424669]

>>17424637
that implies Allah is more of a detached spectator, whereas the verse in OP says
>Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering.
i.e. it's not just that he knows what'll happen but that he intentionally made them like that.

[Anonymous No.17424671]

>>17423531
yes Protestantism and Islam are basically similar heresies.
"Better Turk than popist" after all

[Anonymous No.17424678]

>>17424671
what is the catholic or orthodox response to this? where can i read about it?

[Anonymous No.17424682]

>>17424678
The council of Trent.

[Anonymous No.17424692]

>>17424633
Note free will in Islam simply means the ability for a human to follow God’s command or to not follow it, from humanities point of view. It has nothing to do with being a intelligent species. Like how it is believed angels do not have free will, but they are still intelligent

[Anonymous No.17424698]

Islam means peace

[Anonymous No.17424712]

>>17424692
>Note free will in Islam simply means the ability for a human to follow God’s command or to not follow it
given god's existence as an axiom that is pretty reasonable, I wonder what other kind of free will you are after.