/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.17421215]

"Quality Shit-Posting" Edition.

Previous Thread: >>17413382

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[Anonymous No.17421234]

ASoIaF is an anthropological fantasy masterpiece. we shall never see its like again.

[Anonymous No.17421237]

>tfw song has fled the Mountain

[Anonymous No.17421243]

>>17421234
OP literally said "quality shit-posting".

[Anonymous No.17421251]

>>17421234
fpwp
>anthropological fantasy
lol, what? where is the “anthropology”? his worldbuilding is cliché and derivative as shit, it’s a typical pastiche of easily-identifiable fantasy european and middle eastern cultural markers.
>culinary fantasy
more like

[Anonymous No.17421285]

Can we go back to Bakkerposting now?

[Anonymous No.17421295]

>>17421285
>Akka?

[Anonymous No.17421324]

>>17421285
yes

[Anonymous No.17421334]

>>17421324
A woman would read that garbage

[Anonymous No.17421337]

>>17421251
why do you care about "worldbuilding"? are you a sandersonfag?

[Anonymous No.17421347]

>>17421334
the best SFF writer of all time, Ursula K. Le Guin, was a woman. you'd do well to remember that.

[Anonymous No.17421348]

>>17421295
Full name?

[Anonymous No.17421353]

>>17421324
>>17421295
God damn, the memes of the past couple of threads have been glorious.

>>17421334
What do you like to read? I promise I won't laugh.

[Anonymous No.17421360]

>>17421347
I’ve read Ursula she’s not that great. Even herbert was better

[Anonymous No.17421384]

>>17421360
lunatic

[Anonymous No.17421401]

>>17421337
Goalposts

[Anonymous No.17421402]

>>17421234
While the anthropological stuff isn't true (the easiest way to disprove that would be the fact that religion is completely underplayed in a medieval setting), ASOIAF took the limited third-person realist fantasy book to its pinnacle. I have to cringe when people say ASOIAF is bad, but love Bakker, Erikson, Abercrombie, Sanderson etc. who all write in the same mode GRRM does but are substantially worse.

[Anonymous No.17421403]

>>17421324
who is that swayali peach?

[Anonymous No.17421408]

>>17421348
Instagram:jasl.en

[Anonymous No.17421412]

>>17421295
NAME

[Anonymous No.17421425]

>>17421360
literal career suicide. i hope you don't express these problematic views irl.

[Anonymous No.17421426]

[Anonymous No.17421428]

>>17421408
Thanks buddy
>>17421384
I never actually read her yet, been meaning to.

[Anonymous No.17421442]

>>17421426
>>17421295
>Even the artwork looks like her

Bakkerchads, is this the power of the Thousandfold Thought?

[Anonymous No.17421444]

>>17421426
>>17421324
>>17421295
Whore after all.

[Anonymous No.17421446]

>>17421425
Lmao. Now I want to! Im “that guy” an irl shitposter. It’s a curse

[Anonymous No.17421462]

>>17421442
>>17421334
>>17421324
I actually only read the first book in the series. Explain to me why I didn’t like it.

[Anonymous No.17421463]

>>17421462
You got filtered.

[Anonymous No.17421473]

>>17421462
muh setup
muh traveling

[Anonymous No.17421484]

>>17421463
Maybe. Give me a skeleton key.

[Anonymous No.17421486]

>>17421402
True.

[Anonymous No.17421491]

>>17421462
Because the first half of the book is just world building, before he finally lets the characters run free.

[Anonymous No.17421521]

>>17421462
Because you didn't finish it. His prose filtered you hard early on. You're probably an ESL shitter. If that's not the case, then there really is no hope for you.

[Anonymous No.17421616]

[Anonymous No.17421646]

>>17421616
>We are a thread of lovers.

[Anonymous No.17421653]

>>17421646

[Anonymous No.17421695]

>>17421521
>His prose filtered you hard early on.
Wtf are you talking about? His prose isn’t even difficult.

[Anonymous No.17421702]

please do not post scary gargoyles to the front page. thank you,

t. the rest of /lit/

[Anonymous No.17421707]

>>17421702
>Tell me.... what do you ssseeee???

[Anonymous No.17421710]

I figured out why Bakker is shilled here. Typical 4chan contrarianism.

[Anonymous No.17421717]

>>17421707
A lot of anti-Bakker chilling by one single person. That's what I see.

[Anonymous No.17421744]

>>17421491
Battle of Kiyuth happens early on, and is kino af.

[Anonymous No.17421762]

>>17421744
The whole thing was a fucking masterpiece until the very end. The weakest book from the original trilogy was the third one, but the ending was the best from the three books.

[Anonymous No.17421827]

>>17421710
or maybe we just like his books and want more people to read them since he’s relatively obscure and unknown DESU

[Anonymous No.17422008]

Which edition printed these covers? US, CA, or UK?

[Anonymous No.17422130]

>>17421906
>Insecure
>Coming from the person that has to respond on the dead thread in order to feel better about himself

Oh, the irony.

[Anonymous No.17422167]

I need something deep /sffg/. Like, LoTR deep. Something I can disappear into for a few weeks.
Dog died, preferably nothing with harm to animals.

[Anonymous No.17422180]

>>17422167
My condolences, Anon. My beloved cat passed away last year, I was crushed. Try Le Guin's Earthsea series, they are profound and comfy and may offer you some solace.

>>17422008
Those are the US paperback edition, I believe. Avoid the hardcover editions unless you like men staring through filigreed dinner plates.

[Anonymous No.17422226]

>>17422180
>Earthsea
I read the first "A wizard of Earthsea" a really long time ago, thought it was ok, maybe I was just too young to appreciate it. I'll try them again.
I miss the really comfortable books that you stumble into sometimes, books that are ostensibly about a generic plot but then turn out to be worlds you'd want to live in with characters you really like. Everything seems tragic and heartless in modern SF/Fantasy, I keep reading books where the protagonist or his party fails because the author needed them to learn some lesson or be shown as not-omnipotent but it always falls flat and feels forced and pointlessly disempowering. I haven't read a good book in a long time.

[Anonymous No.17422227]

Why are modern fantasy authors so obsessed with magic systems and expositive world building? Is it as simple as a bunch of them copying Sanderson or is it deeper than that?

[Anonymous No.17422251]

>>17422167
Book of the New Sun
>spoiler
:^)

[Anonymous No.17422261]

>>17422251
>:^)
Are you happy that the guy's dog died?

[Anonymous No.17422274]

>>17422261
I was just thinking it would be a shame if he read something in which the protagonist's dog died

[Anonymous No.17422298]

>>17422227
Both of those things can't get you cancelled easily, but character and plot writing can.

[Anonymous No.17422305]

>>17422227
Because that's what low IQ individuals enjoy. They need everything explained to them.

[Anonymous No.17422361]

>>17422130
>have to make sure everyone in the new thread sees your sick burn
C O P E

[Anonymous No.17422372]

>>17422227
Just open Reddit or go to the 17th Shard. Those people are pathologically obsessed with theory crafting. That's what gets them going. This only propels the fandom to create fanart and fanfictions. Terms like "couple shipping" become commonplace. The larger the community, the more popular your becomes. It's quite literally like anime. And I mean it.

The first time I remember seeing this, was when I saw an Harry Potter book describing the beasts and creatures from the Harry Potter universe.

[Anonymous No.17422376]

>>17422227
I think it's related to the rise of video games and fandom culture. Now people can imagine what it would be like to use these magic systems themselves and explore these detailed worlds themselves. Easier to create OCs and the like who can use the magic systems in their own super special ways.

It also appeals to the perennial fandom obsession with "Would would win in a fight?" type scenarios. With a laundry list of rulesets to pull from you can easily create versus matches between your favorite fantasy charactters.

[Anonymous No.17422384]

>>17422361
>C O P E

[Anonymous No.17422432]

>>17422384

[Anonymous No.17422444]

This was really good, and a few of the subsequent books were just as good. It's about a guy who gets on a ship and turns some shitty situations around through sheer force of personality and cleverness, it's surprisingly wholesome.
Is there anything else like this, where whole chapters about how to make a good cup of coffee feel oddly appropriate? Not really sure what genre this would even be.

[Anonymous No.17422463]

>>17422372
This stuff absolutely predates HP. I expect the earliest modern examples would be companion encyclopedias for Star Wars

[Anonymous No.17422483]

>>17422463
Never claimed otherwise. That was simply the first time I saw it.

It's clever a clever market strategy for typical consoomer retards that will buy anything from a particular author in order to satisfy their anime fantasies.

[Anonymous No.17422496]

Am I wasting my years writing comedic fantasy? Do people actually read that shit besides discworld

[Anonymous No.17422502]

>>17422496
It depends on how good it is. Show us a sample. I'll be brutally honest.

[Anonymous No.17422564]

>>17422372
>>17422376
Now that I think about it, main cause is probably video games rather than Sanderson. In most RPGs, there's a detailed explanation for how the characters can use magic with clearly defined rules and limitations. Dummies then expect to see that in books even though if magic were to actually exist, it would be nearly incomprehensible.

>>17422496
Probably. I don't think there's much of a market for comedic fantasy these days

[Anonymous No.17422575]

>>17422496
For me it depends on just how comedic it is. I still want Fantasy.

Discworld was a genuinely enjoyable and interesting world.

[Anonymous No.17422591]

Question: Which style setting would you rather read a Fantasy story take place in?

Not- Dynastic East Asia
Not- Viking Scandinavia

[Anonymous No.17422605]

>>17422591
The first one

[Anonymous No.17422630]

>>17422496
Not if it's good. If anything I'd say it's an underachieving sub-genre, outside of Discworld I'd say the only notable comic fantasy anything in the last 30 years has been Shrek. With a broader definition you could also include the work of Lord & Miller

[Anonymous No.17422632]

>>17422591
Unplug your modem, go outside, and cleanse your mind of the detritus contained within that makes you consider writing such trash.

[Anonymous No.17422642]

>>17421462
it's ok, not everyone can handle the black alien seed

[Anonymous No.17422652]

>>17422591
they're both trite and overplayed at this point

[Anonymous No.17422663]

Can you guys posts some lists? For some reason that shit makes me feel good.

[Anonymous No.17422667]

>>17422591
>posts pic of eastern europe
pic unrelated?

[Anonymous No.17422681]

>The ground was his … Conditioned.
>Everywhere, all about him, one world. The crossings were infinite, but they were not equal.
>They were not equal.

[Anonymous No.17422726]

>>17422632
Wrong board for you, buddy.

[Anonymous No.17422877]

>>17422226
Wizard of Earthsea is the current /sffg/ group read.

[Anonymous No.17422966]

fresh meme drop tomorrow

[Anonymous No.17423135]

>>17421408

That's a man.

[Anonymous No.17423403]

>>17422591
I don't care about the boring real world shit it's based on, tell me about the fantasy elements instead.

[Anonymous No.17423410]

>>17423135
Nope, just a beautiful girl who's been convinced by our wonderful modern society that she's a they/them. Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.17423510]

>>17421695
t. hasn't read TAE

[Anonymous No.17423518]

>>17422463
don't disrespect deltora, the ideas are top notch and its great kids lit. If it were written for adults by a top prose stylist it would be a top 10 fantasy series all time

>>17422496
yeah nonone really reads that stuff

[Anonymous No.17423523]

>>17422591
vikings are way overdone

>>17422681
>I am more

[Anonymous No.17423551]

[Anonymous No.17423571]

Thanks to the anon who recommended me Blindsight (as similar to Dead Space). I quite enjoyed it. Any tips for more basic space horror though?

[Anonymous No.17423670]

>>17421295
>>17421324
whats the deal with this girl? did she read the darkness that comes before and like it or something?

[Anonymous No.17423728]

>>17423518
I'm not. I just picked it out because it predated the HP monster manual while being essentially the same thing

[Anonymous No.17423811]

>>17423551
while TAE fanart is so rare i don't wanna hate, I don't like this, he looks like some random goon not a gigachad superman

[Anonymous No.17423815]

>>17423728
deltora worldbuilding kinda mogs, even compared to adult fantasy

[Anonymous No.17423832]

A debate between these two would be legendary...

[Anonymous No.17423833]

>>17423832
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.17423901]

can someone recommend to me books that are like ARK
anything about an island that has a backstory and something mysterious about it
I like dinosaurs too

[Anonymous No.17423962]

>>17423832
>>17423833
Damn, that guy looks like what Bakker writes about

[Anonymous No.17424016]

>>17423962
>>17423833
guy on the right is noted steampunk auteur and tolkien hater, china mieville
i strongly dislike mieville's books and find his writing cringe. but that's just me

[Anonymous No.17424017]

>>17423901
What the fuck is “ARK”?

[Anonymous No.17424031]

>>17424017
bibieogame

[Anonymous No.17424040]

>>17424031
>>17423901
>video games
> dinosaurs
Sorry, you need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.17424064]

>>17422432
>>17422568
>can’t use green text
>can’t meme
>must reply to every single post
>speaks to himself
>repeats the same gibberish on every post

Bravo, you’re even more retarded than the schizo somehow. These never seen levels of seething are truly a case study for psychiatrists.

[Anonymous No.17424102]

>17424064
>scraping posts from the dead thread for attention
>thinking everyone who points out what a retard you are is me
>still desperately seeking that serotonin hit only a (You) will give you
>still thinking watching you debase yourself is somehow humiliating for me
Feel free to stop any day now autismo.

[Anonymous No.17424107]

>>17424102
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.17424154]

>>17424102
>can't properly reply
first day here?

[Anonymous No.17424190]

>17424154
>implying shitty bait deserves (You)'s

[Anonymous No.17424196]

>>17421295
Who is she?

[Anonymous No.17424199]

defective retards lmao

[Anonymous No.17424218]

>>17421408
>nonbinary
Wtf she looks so feminine.

[Anonymous No.17424223]

>>17424218
that's because she's a woman anon

[Anonymous No.17424238]

>>17424223
But most gender non-binary people at least try to style their hair and dress in an ambiguous way. She seems comfortable in femininity.

[Anonymous No.17424251]

>>17421462
The omnipotent character is a lazy way to make the plot go forward and you got fed up

[Anonymous No.17424301]

>>17424238
they just do it to feel special anon. the "non-binary" girls who try to look androgynous aren't attractive, that's the difference.

[Anonymous No.17424309]

>>17423670
Are you color blind?

[Anonymous No.17424516]

Yesterday, I learned on /sffg/ that every single unpublished author is bad.

[Anonymous No.17424574]

>>17423833
china is one of the biggest faggots on the fantasy scene, imagine trying this hard to look tough in the dust jacket photo of your dungeons & dragon book

[Anonymous No.17424726]

>the brownnote spell
this is why gnosis is the best

[Anonymous No.17424756]

So this is what the Hugo awards are for.

[Anonymous No.17424777]

>>17422226
Read John C Wright

[Anonymous No.17424835]

can someone recommend a classic book about an island

[Anonymous No.17424850]

>>17421295
>"And here's a (You) to remember her by..."

[Anonymous No.17424893]

I wanted to share my overwhelming appreciation of Brandon Sanderson. I'm currently reading 'The Way of Kings' and am struck by how complex the characterisation is, how thorough the worldbuilding is, and how creative and natural his writing style is. I'd visited his site earlier where he has the bar charts showing his progress with his books and assumed he was a taste of the future- machines generating stories for us based on calculation and formulae. Could I have been more wrong?

I tried out the first book of the Mistborn series and was absorbed by Kelsier. Some of the fight scenes in that book were so imaginative and vividly described. And now I've finally got my bands on 'The Way of Kings' (previously I was mistakenly delivered two copies of part 2 so I delayed seeking out the first part as life is busy). Again, the characters as so fascinating, relatable, and complex. His writing is still original and demonstrating effortless creativity. And there's a certain comfort to knowing that you're enjoying the writing of a prolific writer who is good at what they do- there's more to seek and enjoy.

How does he do it? It's like he's cut out the whole 'oh, give me time as I live and seek inspiration for the next page' and has managed to observe and absorb so much about life, personality, writing and so much more and has managed to wrestle it into some kind of order so that he can draw on things at will as he churns out these fresh, satiating books that are so well balanced and... whole (in a wholesomely whole kind of way). It's awe inspiring. Putting pen to paper seems hard enough, but doing is so masterfully... I wouldnt't be surprised if someone told me that he's actually several centuries old, having devoted the last few to the study of story and writing.

What a gem. I'm writing this because Fantasy used to play a large role in helping me cope with loneliness and depression when I was younger and, over time, the repetitiveness of it and the new grimdark stuff just couldn't do it. I've finally found something that, once again, is giving me a bit of passion and comfort. Thank you so much, Mr Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17424930]

>>17422444
There isn't much out there that's similar. Saga of Recluse maybe? Not sci-fi but much comfier than your average fantasy book, lots of focus on various trades.

[Anonymous No.17424999]

I read mostly sci-fi and mostly men.

I found that men tend to present and explore more original ideas, like Egan's alternative physics in Orthogonal or the short story Luminous where they want to exploit a realm with different physics to do impossible calculations. Or Watts ideas about consciousness. These ideas tend to be the focus rather then just the backdrop. Men tend to genuinely excited about exploring space or editing the human genome.

For women sci-fi seems to be just the backdrop taken from somewhere else. They seem to be use the settings to lectures about morals or for romance. The one good thing I have found that women do much better on a consistent basis, is action. Men seem to focus on describing physical actions they have in their head, but this is simply not very exciting in written form. I think Joe Abercrombie first law trilogy and the expanse books really suffered from this. In contrast the action in the Hunger Games was well done and clever for the most part.

What is your take /litizens on the men vs women debate?
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[Anonymous No.17425019]

I finally have an idea for a world that I'm excited to write fantasy stories in lads. I just need to come up with (read: steal) some ideas for cool creatures to populate it with. Any recs for books or short stories with neat fantasy fauna? Last thing I read with some was BotNS, but even that only really had a few across the whole series. (Alzabo, Hethor's stuff, Zak.)

[Anonymous No.17425028]

>>17424835

[Anonymous No.17425041]

>>17424835
Can't get any more classic than that.

[Anonymous No.17425076]

>>17424835

[Anonymous No.17425095]

>>17424835

[Anonymous No.17425206]

Ahem.
Fuck E William Brown
>quits day time job to be a full time author
>gets more money from paypiggies
>writing and publishing speed dropped lower than when he had a 9-5
>can't put shit out in years
FUCK E WILLIAM BROWN

[Anonymous No.17425220]

bros I would like some [quality]military sci-fi. stuff with tactics and strategy big fucking ships and hopefully somewhat fleshed-out characters - what can you recommend? Based off of what I've looked into the two that standout are The Forever War by Haldeman and Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee. I've been really into WWII stuff lately.

[Anonymous No.17425250]

>check thread after a long break
>no woketards defending jemisin
>no sandershit apologists
>no Rothfuss, Weeks, Lawrence, etc.
>one basedjak from reddit but I can tolerate that
>endless bakkerposting
wtf I love /sffg/ now!?

[Anonymous No.17425253]

I read Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Former was excellent, really liked the structure of the book and how it mixed different styles of storytelling. The latter was more conventional scifi and not as good but still enjoyable. Are the rest of Hyperion Cantos books (Endymion) worth it? If not, why not?

[Anonymous No.17425280]

>>17425250
Based

[Anonymous No.17425309]

I've read The Prince of Nothing trilogy by Bakker. It was good. But then I read that he should be #cancelled, why is that? Did he do something or are the themes of the books too much for normies?

[Anonymous No.17425313]

>>17425309
Are you being serious?

[Anonymous No.17425314]

>>17425220
ark royal mayne

[Anonymous No.17425318]

>>17425309
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE A HECKIN WHOREARINOOOO CHARACTER, WHERE IS MY FEMALE ASSASSIN WHO BEATS UP ALL THE MEN!

[Anonymous No.17425370]

>>17425309
Normies cannot handle looking into the mirror that is Esmenet.

[Anonymous No.17425376]

>>17425309
The extreme fragility of white liberals.

[Anonymous No.17425380]

>>17425370
Let's be honest here. No one realistically cums that much. Bakker is a pervert.

[Anonymous No.17425383]

>>17425220
Undying Mercenaries by BV Larson
Agent Cormac Series by Neal Asher (Start with Prador Moon. the shadow of the Scorpion)

[Anonymous No.17425508]

>>17424574
Nigga can write, though.

[Anonymous No.17425535]

>>17424835

[Anonymous No.17425572]

>>17423833
a third contender enters the ring

[Anonymous No.17425677]

>>17425206
To be fair, I'd rather get nothing than his Pedophile Waif bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17425754]

>>17425677
You don't like Space Loli Marine Princess?
Apparently he feels that is better than Daniel Black, and wants to put more of that out. He has Daniel on hold until he finishes book 2 loli waif. No one wants that shit. They all ask for Daniel Black.

[Anonymous No.17425859]

What are the things you remember about books you read as a kid that are otherwise totally forgotten? I'm curious to know what parts of a book stand out after everything else fades away. For me, it's
>Kid at some kind of wizard school
>At the end of the first book he mostly stops his mentor professor from summoning a demon, but is cursed
>Spends the rest of the series as a journeyman wizard on the road

[Anonymous No.17425896]

>>17424893
You serious?

[Anonymous No.17426013]

>I really enjoy how imaginative his world his, and the scene descriptions are amazing, so too is the conversation. I can even get over the darkness. But does he eventually write good woman characters? I love Esme and think she's amazing, but I got discouraged at the end of the Darkness that comes before when I reflected and realized all his female characters were either prostitutes or got raped, (or were the empress). Does he introduce other women that don't have anything sexual going on? I've put off reading his works in favor of the Cosmere currently and I'm also reading The Expanse.

>I'd love to go back to Baker, but I don't know if I can with how rapey a lot of it felt, or about the constant abuse of women.

You'd think this is bait, but it's lifted directly from reddit

[Anonymous No.17426029]

>>17426013
Filtered.

[Anonymous No.17426055]

>>17426013
It's bitches like this that ruin fantasy. They can't separate fact from fiction, or how all over the world, at least 1 female is raped every single
day. Hell, some girl is getting raped right now.

They get on like rape isn't something that happens. She is okay with the little boys getting buggered and killed, but a woman getting raped is beyond the line. They better hope that America continues to stand, because when America falls, women will be forced back into marrying against their will, and many lesbians will be having their husbands rape them every night, and string them up when it is found out she is a pervert who introduces little girls to her hedonistic ways.

[Anonymous No.17426208]

>>17424516
yes, according to the autist in the last thread, number of sales = the quality of the novel. good to know, ...not.

[Anonymous No.17426217]

>>17421215
What aspects of fantasy lore and worldbuilding are instant turn offs for you guys?

[Anonymous No.17426225]

>>17426217
Unlimited healing.

[Anonymous No.17426237]

>>17426217
retarded wuxia/xianxia bullshit

[Anonymous No.17426255]

>>17426225
This.

Kills the tension.

[Anonymous No.17426269]

>>17426217
Black and White morality, which you can pick up very fast in trash fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17426281]

>>17425380
this, the amount of orgazms are stupid and unrealistic. but in that sense he’s no different than GRRM or most typical fantasy writers. the difference is that bakker shows that everyone (including and especially men) is vulnerable to violation and with a few exceptions, his writing emphasizes the horror and brutal nature of sexual violence, rather than depicting it as trivial or “sexy” like GRRM does. it’s a point of contention whose nuances clearly eludes most normie readers, but having read all of TAE i do believe that his thematic approach to rape comes from a place of empathy rather than just exploitation.

not to say bakker is a feminist, but his writing on sex and violence is certainly more complicated and critical than shit like GRRM, Gor, most sword&sorcery etc.
>t. sexual assualt survivor.

[Anonymous No.17426328]

>>17424835

[Anonymous No.17426339]

>>17426328
>Verne

[Anonymous No.17426344]

>>17426281
Female?
That is so hawt. If your uncle diddled you, can I have a go at your gooch? I'm diamonds thinking about violating you right now, and you calling me "daddy", and telling me that your pussey only belongs to me now.

[Anonymous No.17426352]

>>17426339
Fuck off I loved this book when I was 12. Still have my edition from 1953 or so. At least there's science, unlike most modern """""""""science"""""""" fiction.

[Anonymous No.17426368]

>>17426352
Trying to read Verne as a kid was exactly what kept me from reading until I was older.

You really must be an old fart.

[Anonymous No.17426384]

>>17426217
>isekai / “real world to fantasy workd”
>map is just our world with changed names, obvious not-europe not-england etc.
>i am personally not a fan of lots of novel made-up races like in malazan. stick to humans or some variant of the classic elves-dwarves-orcs. i don’t really care about the wars between the lizardmen and the ratmen desu.
>autistic anime-like magic systems like in sanderson.
>planeswalking crap.
tropes i do like:
>civilizations in long decline
>complicated intrigues in the court
>post apocalyptic or dying earth
>magic is weaker than it once was
>innovative approaches to language and culture that aren’t just directly ripped from the real world.

[Anonymous No.17426411]

>be Brian McClellan
>come up with powder mages
>not setting them in a pirate world
>people snorting gun powder and then steering bullets/cannonballs with magic between ships

[Anonymous No.17426436]

>>17426368
Bet your Verne didn't have them sick illustrations, pic related from my copy. Actually I read this one at 8 years old for the first time, I remember talking about it at school in 2nd grade, I loved the book. I must have read it over 10 times when I was a kid. I probably wouldn't do it again, but fuck you, it is a classic book about an island. I am 21.

[Anonymous No.17426504]

What's troubling you, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.17426515]

>>17426504
so many books to read, so little time

[Anonymous No.17426549]

>>17425253
I felt the same as you about the first two books. From everything I've heard, it's not worth continuing - the less-interesting characters become the main ones and Simmon's writing continues to decline.

[Anonymous No.17426561]

>>17426352
>hard scifi autist
kys

[Anonymous No.17426583]

Why is Sanderson such a controversial topic on this general?

[Anonymous No.17426585]

>>17426515
Honestly log the hours you spend on /lit/. You'll never say anything about "little time" again.

[Anonymous No.17426607]

>>17426583
>cuz he’s a hack that sucks donkey balls
can we please not have this “conversation” again? i’d rather hear about fucking chinkshit than sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17426610]

>>17426583
Please find a new bait topic, I'm so fucking bored of this one

[Anonymous No.17426623]

>>17426585
>Been promising myself that I wouldn't start the Aspect Emperor series before I read another book that I actually NEED to read.
>This was a week ago and I still haven't started.
>In the meanwhile, I'm stuck into /sffg/ shit-posting limbo state.

[Anonymous No.17426624]

>>17426583
because he has the body and mind of a milk dud

[Anonymous No.17426643]

>>17426384
Fuck off out of here with your low fantays shit.
Kys.

You low fantasy and hard scifi fags are the cancer that is killing fiction.

[Anonymous No.17426646]

>>17426610
>>17426607
I wasn't baiting, but OK.

[Anonymous No.17426662]

>>17426643
Low fantasy is good actually

[Anonymous No.17426661]

>>17426643

[Anonymous No.17426663]

>>17426643
>civilizations in long decline
>complicated intrigues in the court
>post apocalyptic or dying earth
>innovative approaches to language and culture that aren’t just directly ripped from the real world.
>low fantasy
What? Hell, even weaker magic isn't necessarily low fantasy you retard. Are you actually under the delusion that isekaishit and cookie-cutter manhwa litRPGs are high fantasy?

[Anonymous No.17426669]

>>17426646
>unironically wants to discuss sanderson
You lost, boy? Your kind ain’t welcome ‘round these parts.

[Anonymous No.17426685]

Give me some authors don't care about plot holes.

[Anonymous No.17426688]

>>17426643
either you misread my post or your definitions are off. i like high fantasy. low fantasy = isekai, sword and sorcery. high fantasy = a hermetic world with epic themes.

[Anonymous No.17426722]

>>17426663
Do you know the difference between low fantasy, high fantasy and epic fantasy?
Obviously uou don't, or you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself with that post. You could have just said "yes I like low fantasy so what".

I hope you won't try to pretend you were being retarded when you get told, readlet.

[Anonymous No.17426735]

>>17426722
>Obviously uou don't
Neither do uou, low IQ brainlet.

Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.17426762]

>>17426735
>typo u instead of y
>right next to each other on the keyboard
>can't repute my post so goes for ad hominem
Yea we are done.

[Anonymous No.17426773]

>>17426685
he didn't wash his hair for a professional fucking photo yet he's throwing out that smug look. real dark pepe energy.

[Anonymous No.17426777]

uh-oh, bros.... i just got a graphics tablet....
>t. meme maker

[Anonymous No.17426846]

>>17426777
You seem mad.

[Anonymous No.17426951]

I got 3 episodes in to season 2 of The Expanse and had to stop because of the subversion. How are the novels?

[Anonymous No.17426990]

>>17426951
you get triggered snowflake?

[Anonymous No.17427017]

>>17426990
The exact moment I stopped was when the martian marines were walking down a hallway with the batman voiced politician chick was talking about how badass they were that they train at regular gravity while a column of browns/chicks walk across the camera. I couldn't take it seriously anymore which is sad because I enjoyed the space cannons

[Anonymous No.17427048]

Since you guys hate GRRM and Sanderson, what is high fantasy that you recommend (from living authors)?

[Anonymous No.17427109]

>>17427048
Read every single /sffg/ thread and find out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.17427115]

>>17427048
Unironically read Bakker. It's one of those series that creates a void nothing else can fill.

[Anonymous No.17427125]

>>17427048
>(from living authors)
She still lives on in my heart
>Dargonriders of Pern

[Anonymous No.17427128]

>>17427109
is that an aspect-emperor for ants?

[Anonymous No.17427138]

>>17427048
We don't hate ASOIAF. We just have nothing to discuss about it. Earthsea is generally liked, I really like Wizard Knight, and I've heard good things about Memory Sorrow & Thorn so I'll probably be starting that one soon. Discworld kind of exists in its own bubble but it's liked as well.

[Anonymous No.17427146]

>>17427138
Oh, I keep forgetting Le Guin and Pratchett are both dead lol. They died pretty recently, anyhow.

[Anonymous No.17427156]

>>17427138
>>17427146
And Wolfe, too, fuark. 2015-2020 really culled the herd when it comes to decent remaining fantasy authors.

[Anonymous No.17427176]

>>17427115
can we be honest for a second about bakker? please guy? I went to read his first book after seeing it shilled so much on lit, and its reads like shit.. like a refined and edited fantasy writing of a talented highschool student... just read the screen cap.. come on man this guy isnt good..

[Anonymous No.17427182]

Chronicles of Narnia, unironically good.

[Anonymous No.17427186]

>>17427176
Sorry bro, you're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.17427187]

>>17422966
"Ignore Zauduniani posts"?

[Anonymous No.17427190]

>>17427182
No one is disputing that. But you do know that you need to be 18 to post here, right?

[Anonymous No.17427191]

>>17427176
he started writing it in college actually. yes his writing can be sloggy sometimes, but there are so many unforgettable moments of beauty and horror. also don't get filtered by the prologue.

[Anonymous No.17427198]

>>17427176
>Imagine not belonging to the /sffg/ cool anons club.

[Anonymous No.17427201]

>>17427176
Im with you buddy.
>you MUST sign the indenture
>WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?.jpg
I hated it and stopped after the first book

[Anonymous No.17427204]

>>17427201
>>17427176
i feel bad for you guys, you couldn't get past the initial shock and missed out on all the good stuff

[Anonymous No.17427205]

>>17427176
Bakker isn't good. There's a good reason publishers dropped him - his prose is fine, but prose isn't what makes a book good. It can make it bad, but not good. He's never had the other components necessary to hit "good." The people who talk about him are like the sorts of people on /mu/ who constantly post about how great and underrated and underreviewed some obscure band they found is, clinging to that little sense of individuality that they get from investing themselves into something other people clearly do not care to. You can't do anything to them but ignore them.

[Anonymous No.17427223]

>>17427205
>>17427201
>>17427176
You keep spamming this, but you never tell us which authors you think are good.

[Anonymous No.17427224]

>>17427205
This. I hate to use the word, but people who enjoy Bakker must be pseuds that think it’s good because of his prose. He claims to have been influenced by LOTR and Dune but he never goes past the surface window dressings. It’s all style no substance

[Anonymous No.17427235]

>>17427205
>t. has never walked the halls of Ishterebinth, nor stood on the Raft over the lilac walls Dagliash, nor witnessed the secrets of the Unmasking Room, nor beheld the alien gold of Min-Uroikas at sunset.

[Anonymous No.17427236]

[Anonymous No.17427244]

>>17427235
>those names
bruh

[Anonymous No.17427250]

>>17427205
>>17427224
Come back when you've actually read the books. Until then, improve your English.

[Anonymous No.17427256]

>>17427244
>Filtered by names

[Anonymous No.17427273]

Ignore what kind of books exist, what kind of books do you want to read?

What about an in-depth choose-your-own-adventure trilogy with the depth of a Lord of the Rings?

[Anonymous No.17427274]

>>17427256
>wailing multitudes

[Anonymous No.17427282]

>>17427176
That passage is actually pretty good. You picked a really bad example to prove your point.

[Anonymous No.17427284]

>>17427273
>choose-your-own-adventure
no thanks, i'm good

[Anonymous No.17427289]

>>17427273
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.17427293]

>>17427282
you must think writing peaks at community college if you think that passage is good

[Anonymous No.17427297]

>>17427284
>>17427289
Shame you've never lived

[Anonymous No.17427302]

>>17424893
is this fresh pasta?

[Anonymous No.17427308]

>>17427223
Just wanted you to know it’s at least more than one person for future reference. Im sure we all like most of the same authors, but if I had to pick one that probably doesn’t get mentioned as much I’d say Dale Furutani. He’s really nothing special either I just like his story telling.

[Anonymous No.17427322]

>>17427250
>improve your English
Im glad I called you a pseud now. Listen, if you like the book, that’s great, here’s your smiley face sticker. I think it’s awful

[Anonymous No.17427327]

>>17427176
How based was that prologue? I remember re-reading it after the Inchoroi mentioned the crimes of men

[Anonymous No.17427335]

>>17427250
>Come back when you've actually read the books
But they're bad. Why would I waste my time with finishing them?
>improve your English
I am close to 100% certain I write and read at a higher level than you.

[Anonymous No.17427341]

How fucking amazing is this artwork? I haven't even made it this far in the books, but I'm really happy that I'm going there.

[Anonymous No.17427342]

>>17427282
You didn’t read the post. He said his prose is good but that it doesn’t make good writing. It comes off like typical LOTR derivative fan fic

[Anonymous No.17427352]

>>17427335
Based. Anti-Bakker chads unite.

[Anonymous No.17427354]

>>17427297
Have you ever played with RPG books?

[Anonymous No.17427363]

>people here doesn't know that Bakker won't ever finish the second apocalypse

People like to shit on Martin for not ending the books, but Bakker just straight out quit to end the series for good, what is the fucking point to read a series that won't be finished? Just pure cope there,

[Anonymous No.17427364]

>>17427335
Tell me. What do you read?

[Anonymous No.17427366]

>>17426217
>magic "systems" with clearly defined rules that look like they came out of a D&D rulebook
>names and terms lifted from other popular fantasy series or popular mythology (i.e. Ragnarok, Yggdradssil)
>a magic barrier/prison separating the bad guys from the rest of the world suddenly failing
>inconsistent naming conventions, where people from the same country have radically different names despite coming from the same culture

[Anonymous No.17427367]

>>17427363
>people here doesn't know that Bakker won't ever finish the second apocalypse
>people here doesn't

Low IQ shitter detected.

[Anonymous No.17427370]

>>17427354
Can only Go or Chess exist at once?

[Anonymous No.17427377]

>>17427370
I was being serious. I've never seen one in my life, but my older peers speak about them.

[Anonymous No.17427387]

>>17427377
Is RPG book different from a DnD manual?

[Anonymous No.17427389]

Tolkien >> Le Guin >>>>>> everyone else >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan >>>>>>> Pratchett

[Anonymous No.17427392]

>>17427367
Trigger by FACTS REASONING and LOGIC
Bakker just give up on ever finish the series, just get over it.

[Anonymous No.17427408]

>>17423523
>vikings are way overdone
No they aren't.

There isn't a single Fantasy novel that is like Skyrim.

[Anonymous No.17427409]

>>17427392
Best, most crushing ending in fantasy ever. The only way to understand Bakker is to finish the series. You can skip the Esmi/Kelmomas chapters if you must, or read them as a separate book.

[Anonymous No.17427413]

>>17427389
We like to trash Jordan a lot. But he was never a real writer.

[Anonymous No.17427421]

>>17427387
You might think I'm baiting you on purpose, but I'm completely ignorant with regards to the DnD and RPG book scene.

[Anonymous No.17427427]

>>17427421
>>>/tg/
enjoy your new board baka

[Anonymous No.17427432]

>>17427413
Is this satire?

[Anonymous No.17427433]

Are the Hard Covers worth it?

[Anonymous No.17427443]

>>17427433
what does it matter if bakkar is a class act? who the fuck would put that on the front of their hardcore kek

[Anonymous No.17427445]

>>17427432
>Is this satire?
His books felt like Lord of the Rings satire to me.

[Anonymous No.17427460]

>>17427432
Wasn't the guy an Engineer for most of his life?

I'm not trying to discredit him because of that, all the merit to him. But do not convince me that he was an amazing writer.

[Anonymous No.17427465]

>>17427433
just take off the stupid dust jacket, the hardcovers are fine and have nice maps
>tfw £ 40K original LOTR first edition

[Anonymous No.17427472]

>>17427421
what >>17427427 said
I did work at Privateer Press for 4 years and have credits in a number of books. Some from their tabletop and their Iron Kingdoms rpg

[Anonymous No.17427473]

>>17427465

[Anonymous No.17427474]

>>17427443
>what does it matter if bakkar is a class act? who the fuck would put that on the front of their hardcore kek
No wonder you people don't enjoy Bakker. You can't even write.

[Anonymous No.17427475]

>>17427341
wot book is it?

[Anonymous No.17427497]

>>17427433
Does someone here own the Second Apocalypse Hardcovers? Would you be kind enough to post a photo?

[Anonymous No.17427500]

>>17427308
Nice try faggot, but you failed to fully edit your screenshot. I can clearly see in the underlines between the number and the pound sign where you failed to edit out the gap created by the parentheses surrounding "You." Next time you want to spam a thread and pretend otherwise make sure to cover your tracks.

[Anonymous No.17427512]

>>17427308
Oh no no no no no no >>17427500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CSo0tyhYA

[Anonymous No.17427521]

>>17427465
>reading Shit of the Rings
>shelling our money to buy shit of the rings

[Anonymous No.17427538]

>>17427308
So this is the power of the people filtered by Bakker. No wonder he's my favorite sff writer.

[Anonymous No.17427545]

>>17427500
Please shut the fuck up and stop spamming the thread with this off-topic nonsense. I don't know or care if you edited the image you posted yourself but you are clearly trying to stir up shit for attention.

[Anonymous No.17427548]

>>17427545
We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.17427552]

>>17427548
We accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.17427561]

>>17427308
>>17427545
>Posting from the Phone and PC at the same time
Pretty pathetic desu.

[Anonymous No.17427569]

[Anonymous No.17427578]

>>17427500
>favorite author is so shitty that instead of making any actual arguments regarding his amateurish edgelord trash for teenagers he just spergs about pixels on a taiwanese basket weaving forum

[Anonymous No.17427584]

>>17427578
It's probably the author

[Anonymous No.17427588]

>>17427545
Are you going to name some contemporary SFF authors you like more than Bakker or not?

[Anonymous No.17427594]

>>17427588
He's probably too embarrassed to say Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17427601]

>>17427588
>reading contemporary authors
Why would you do that to yourself?

[Anonymous No.17427607]

>>17427588
How about I say GRRM to make you seethe and call it a day.

>>17427594
Dropped Sanderson even faster than Bakker but at least he can sell a book.

[Anonymous No.17427611]

>>17427578
>Can't use commas.
>Can't use periods.

[Anonymous No.17427616]

>>17427607
>GRRM
>non-answer; evasion

YOU MUST TELL ME. WHAT DO YOU READ?

[Anonymous No.17427622]

>>17427611
>can't use meme triangles properly
>can't read
I accept your surrender.

[Anonymous No.17427631]

>>17427561
>being this schizoid
Quick! You haven't shit on Sanderson in an hour, better shift gears before someone forgets how terrible he is, literally nobody asked, how else would they know?!?

[Anonymous No.17427639]

>>17427616
Sanderson. But you incel edge lord fat fucks are allergic to the Mormon for some reason.

You have no idea how much I despise that you keep trashing my favorite author 24/7 on this board.

Nothing you'll say will change my mind.

No seethe and cope.

[Anonymous No.17427644]

>>17427409
>Dunyianchad and No-bro winning is the canon ending for the series

Fitting for a shitty place like Earwa, everyone dies in the ending.

[Anonymous No.17427658]

>>17427639
bless sandaro

[Anonymous No.17427682]

>>17427465
Those look pretty neat.

[Anonymous No.17427737]

>>17421215
what is the point of this nigga?

[Anonymous No.17427741]

>>17427737
Never understood that either. He cold have destroyed the ring and none of that shit would have happened.

[Anonymous No.17427743]

>>17427737
Tolkien was a hack who couldn't stop his autism and filled his already bloated books with as much bullshit as he could think of. That's it.

[Anonymous No.17427777]

>>17427741
>>17427743
utterly filtered. well played, old chaps.

[Anonymous No.17427778]

>>17427737
Pleb detected

[Anonymous No.17427783]

>>17427658
Well gonna be honest here, I prefer Sanderbros, I know its dumb and chessy, but in a good way, Bakker has more weight and food for thought, but well, I'm pass over my edgy years, so yeah, Bakker is for edgy smart teenagers, Sanderchads are for grow up hopeful and good man in general.

[Anonymous No.17427800]

>>17427737
Best part of the book pleb.

[Anonymous No.17427804]

>>17427658
can someone redpill me on the "black seed" thing?

[Anonymous No.17427820]

>>17427804
>can someone redpill me
Yes, read him. There is no excuse.

[Anonymous No.17427828]

>>17427741
Tolkien actually addresses this right? And it's the most shittiest explanation ever lol.

[Anonymous No.17427831]

>>17427804
>be Bakker
>every book that his has written has come kind of cuck rape scene
>EVERY GOD DAMN BOOK
>"HEHEHE FILTER PLEB SANDERSHIT, ONLY BAKKERCHADS GET IT!"

The utter state of Bakkerfags.

[Anonymous No.17427838]

>>17427783
>Sanderchads are for grow up hopeful and good man in general.
And people who can't speak proper English, apparently.

[Anonymous No.17427846]

>>17427783
blessed earnest ESL boomerpost

[Anonymous No.17427861]

>>17427737
to show the world is bigger and older than most people in it know or remember. there are ancient beings who don't give a fuck about the wars that seem to be the most important events of the third age.

[Anonymous No.17427877]

>>17427828
The explanation was that the ring had no power to control Tom but Tom could not do anything to affect the ring. Why he was somehow immune to it was never explained.

[Anonymous No.17427923]

>>17427831
Filtered.

[Anonymous No.17427936]

>>17427877
What would an all-powerful being have with a ring that grants power?

[Anonymous No.17428022]

>>17427936
How else would you have an adventure? Do you think that Tolkien has anticipated that we would be shit-posting about his books 50 years later on a Chinese cartoon board?

[Anonymous No.17428029]

>>17428022
I'm sure if someone wanted to get a penny I walked past and take it on an adventure they could, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for me to not pay much attention to a penny

[Anonymous No.17428031]

>>17427631
>You haven't shit
Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.17428038]

>>17428029
Tom Bombadildo was merely a symbolic character. I've never read the Lord of the Rings seriously enough to try and find plot holes.

[Anonymous No.17428075]

>>17427500
Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.17428086]

>>17427465
of the riiiiiiiiing.... of the riiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.....

[Anonymous No.17428099]

IF DUBS, THEN THE SIMULATOR JANITORS WILL DELETE ME FROM THE SIMULATON!

ROLL!!!! JUST GET ME OUT OF HERE JANNIES!!!

[Anonymous No.17428105]

>>17428099
Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.17428124]

>>17428099
RIP in pepperoni

[Anonymous No.17428135]

How good is this?

[Anonymous No.17428142]

>>17428135
Define good

[Anonymous No.17428150]

>>17428142
Did you read it?

[Anonymous No.17428159]

>>17428135
>Everything is vague, and also undefined; everything is mysterious, as well as a paradox. And it might be this thing, but I guess you, the reader, will never know, as we tread through the shadowy mists of the shrouded secrets.

[Anonymous No.17428174]

>>17428167
New
>>17428167
Thread
>>17428167
For
>>17428167
You

[Anonymous No.17428177]

>>17428159
What is this potato chip copy pasta?

[Anonymous No.17428214]

>>17428177
i just wrote it brah

[Anonymous No.17428365]

>>17428031
>not knowing "shit" can be a verb
OK ESL-kun.

[Anonymous No.17429228]

good pulp trash about commandos cut off from civilization and fighting for their lives?