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"Sex is boring"-Michel Foucault
What did he mean by this?

>> No.17405852

If sex was boring we wouldn’t go through all the shame of having it. The philosopher lied. They often do. Read Shakespeare instead.

>> No.17405853

>>17405849
he was trying to convey that sex is boring

>> No.17405858

>>17405849
Lmao, if it’s so boring why’d he let himself get AIDS

>> No.17405861

>>17405852
Shitting is boring.

>> No.17405877

>>17405861
No not really, shirting is a little enjoyable. Not in a sexual way like psychoanalysis and philosophers would lie about. It’s just enjoyable to shit. We don’t need it and it feels good to get rid of it.

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>>17405849
>What did he mean by this?
He’d been jacking off to de Sade for years and nothing was doing it for him anymore.

>>17405858
To slowly die of it

>>17405861
Seriously! Why do people get off on things in their ass?

>> No.17405898

>>17405861
sometimes shitting feels better than sex, i shit you not
>>17405849
he meant the subject of sex, not sex. sex is indeed boring. normies never shut up about it and normies are boring

>> No.17405904

>>17405849
>Sex is. There is nothing more to be done about it. Sex builds no roads, writes no novels and sex certainly gives no meaning to anything in life but itself

>> No.17405918

>>17405849
It's like blowing your nose. Orgams don't even feel good. They only feel good when you're having them and then you realize it was all an illusion. They don't feel good like running feels good or nailing a piece on the piano feels good.

>> No.17405956

>>17405861
It's better than sex

>> No.17405961

>>17405877
Neuroscience backs up the psychoanalysis to a degree. It's the parasympathetic nervous system. Shitting is a part of it as is sexual arousal. Read about the duality of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems it's interesting.

>> No.17405975

>>17405961
Neuroscientists and psychologist don’t know shit. They use words and concepts which aren’t true or they don’t understand to describe things they quantify. If it was sexual, we would enjoy it in a sexual manner. We don’t. Therefore it isn’t sexual. Anything else they say is subversion.

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>>17405975
>Neuroscientists and psychologist don’t know shit. They use words and concepts which aren’t true or they don’t understand to describe things they quantify. If it was sexual, we would enjoy it in a sexual manner. We don’t. Therefore it isn’t sexual. Anything else they say is subversion.

>> No.17405984

>>17405975
People do enjoy shitting in a sexual manner are you just being dumb? Why do you think scat is on every porn site?

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>>17405975
That’s a mighty lot of words when a simple ‘no’ would have sufficed

>> No.17406019

>>17405849
man got fisted in bathhouses

>> No.17406021

>>17405861
biological functions are boring

>> No.17406029

sexuality is a societal construct that restricts freedom of bodily expression

>> No.17406051

Sexual practices are judged and characterized in relation to certain behavioral norms, submitted to the authority of medical experts, and read as signs or symptoms of basic personality structures. Sexuality itself is a concept invented by the bureaucracy and academy to describe human behaviors. His History of Sexuality is an account, not of sexual practices themselves, but "of the manner in which pleasure, desires, and sexual behaviors have been problematized, reflected upon and thought about" at different times and across different cultures. What most depresses Foucault is the monotonous sameness of sexual practices and behaviors, from one time and culture to another. Always the same positions, the same rhythms, the same rituals, the same binary divisions of gender. Foucault discovers, beneath our apparent sexual variety, an appalling paucity of imagination and invention.

>> No.17406052

>>17405849
The song and dance preceding sex is boring, it only seems manageable because the individual engaged in it is horny. Sex itself is simply silly examined from the perspective of a third person---once again, ignored because what necessarily accompanies sex and is necessarily antecedent to it is a concoction of hormones that mask the mundanity of it all.

>> No.17406083

>>17405849
>ooga booga muh dik ook ook dik go blam
There's not really a lot to it.

>> No.17406089

Foucault urges us to reject the ingrained Cartesian notion that there is "something other" in sex, "something else and something more," than bodies, organs, and their sensations and pleasures. Fucking is the last thing that will ever tell you who you are. It's not a return to roots, but an ongoing performance: an endless improvisation of things "neither intended nor felt." Foucault calls it a way to "get free of oneself" (se déprendre de soi-même).

>> No.17406091

>>17405849
Did he really say that? I completely agree.
Everyone is compelled to sex but there's nothing interesting about it, an exchange of friction with various forms of dressup around it, the same movie 10,000 times in your life. Utterly uninteresting subject.

>> No.17406097

>>17406091
yes

>> No.17406116

Tfw barely bang gf anymore and just want to read books.

>> No.17406195

>>17406051
Based summary anon

>> No.17406207

>>17406089
I may need to read Foucault. I passed him off in my college years, but a lot of it was because I was stuck on the older more "fundamental" philosophy, but now that I'm less of a pseud I think I can read him.

>> No.17406252

>>17405852
fpbp

>> No.17406332

>>17405983
Based

>>17405984
Yeah people also like Rollercoasters in a sexual manner according to “My Strange Addiction.” Does that mean everyone enjoys scat-fetishes or scat fetishes are normally tied to the pleasure of defecation? Obviously not. Notice also that most scat fetishes deal with the shit of others and not the actual pleasure of the action of shitting. Psychologists try to tie every pleasure back to sex, long story short, because they’re crypto-satanists. And they interpret neuroscience in whatever way they want to interpret it.

>> No.17406347

>>17406332
A combination of lots of unnecesary words and an attitude doesn't make you any less of an absolute brainlet.

>> No.17406355

>people in this thread
>“yeah bro he’s actually right, sex is boring. It’s just pumping and shit. All it is is about organs and procreation”
>in other threads (the same people)
>“my gf cucked me, books to help me kill myself?”
Lol fuck philosophers, especially French ones

>> No.17406356

>>17405849
Sex is boring. Gay sex however, is kino.

>> No.17406363

>>17406347
A combination of lots of unnecesary words and an attitude doesn't make you any less of an absolute brainlet.

>> No.17406409

>>17405849
>sex is boring unless its with children which i just signed a petition to legalize

this guy was a humungous faggot and a charlatan pseudo intellectual marxist jew. it's a shame he didn't suffer more from his aids.

>> No.17406412

>>17406332
>Psychologists try to tie every pleasure back to sex, long story short, because they’re crypto-satanists.
I see someone has read their Guenon well.

>> No.17406417

>>17406412
You know it

>> No.17406466

>>17406021
this post best post

>> No.17406489

>>17406332
>and they interpret neuroscience in whatever way they want to interpret it.
I think that's you anon. Neuroscientist usually trash psychologist because they think they're above them. They arrive at a lot of similar conclusions though. Don't see what you gain by ignoring this parallels. You're basically calling knowledge satanic. Plus we're talking about sex when it's just some term. You may be thinking of orgasm which is something different than sexual arousal (according to the satanic neuroscience anyways).

>> No.17407122

>>17405852
False, people are bad at assessing whether something is worth it or not

>> No.17407621

>>17406029
>>17406051

Pretty good.

>> No.17407685

>>17406051
Question, how can people blame Foucault for the LGBT shit today when this is basically anathema to what they believe? The description of sexuality being bogged by sameness is a complete contrast to the rainbow spectrum of sexual and gender identities invented by the LGBT. How would he be responsible?

>> No.17407726

>>17406332
What does this weird crypto- mean. I see it all the time. Cryptosatanist? Encrypted Satan? ???? What is this? Is this a buzzword?

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17407750

>>17405849
Sex is boring. The chase is appealing and rewarding. Sex the act is just one of those biological necessities. It's why visiting prostitutes feel weird to most men, it isolates the act.

>> No.17407753

>>17406332
>Psychologist tries to tie every pleasure back to sex
No, Freud does. Anyhow you are reducing the problem. It may be a portion of defecating pleasure may be sexual in nature. It's not a binary, when you feel pleasure from sex the pleasure can come from social validation, from dominance/submission, from self validation.... Freud thought someone who was still 'stuck' on sexual defecating was what made perverts, since the urge was supposed to reroute or something... Idk I never got what he meant by that, and he's wrong anyhow.

>> No.17407756

>>17407750
True. If you lived in a fetish free use world most people would get bored and only fuck when they get horny.

>> No.17408197

>>17407726
It means that's what they are, but they hide it.

When the spanish inquisition removed jews from the country, a good number of jews converted. At least they said so. Many became crypto-jews. They said they were christians. They did the public display of christianity. And meanwhile maintained their jewish religion and ways. They were crypto-jews. They hid being jews. It's an old term.

It's been in use at least as early as the 1760s when it was used to refer to hidden calvinists. Crypto calvinists.

>> No.17408206

People who actually have sex don't assign much importance to it. It's only virgins who assign undue importance to it and act like it's the pinnacle of human experience.

>> No.17408320

>>17405849
He was right. The act of sex by definition can't be boring, but of course that hinges on what we call sex. Sex, is enjoyable, sexual intercourse is not. Like the difference fucking and mere causal sex. But the cultural conception of sex as an idea and activity is certainly very boring, Its because we aren't horny enough for life. Despite the constant hypersexual media and interaction, which would presume everyone is horny, we only interact, with the same stunted emotional state conducive to horniness, to the idea of 'fucking' - which consequently leaves us engaging in causal sex, which is the mechanical ghost of Sex. There is no love or passion, its the idea of an idea of an idea. Like, we are trained to cum, not because we want to but because 'it feels good'. Technically it feels good but actual technicality it is boring and it feels bad.

>> No.17408325

>>17407750
I really want to huff this bitches farts and drink her piss

>> No.17408517

>>17408325
her piss and poop are sooooo different from an unattractive person huh?

>> No.17408537

>>17405849
Sex is just something to do. It's about as fun as anything else I guess. I wouldn't call it boring, but it's not exciting in and of itself. New sexual experiences are fun and interesting and that's not just to mean like, trying new things physically.

Even good sex can be boring though. The bald little slut was right.

>> No.17408866

>>17405849
That he couldn't get off unless a gimp was spraying AIDS diarrhea on his chest.

>> No.17409002

>>17405861

Reminder that if it takes you longer than 30 seconds to take a shit, you are probably ridiculously unhealthy.

>> No.17409248

>>17409002
I take 15 minutes to shit and 30s to coom

>> No.17409343

>>17405904
I mean, it does birth children

>> No.17409368

>>17405961
>Read
No.

>> No.17409385

>>17406051
Was getting pozzed part of Foucalt's plan of revitalizing sexuality and becoming a trendsetter?

>> No.17409530

>>17409343
thats just a collateral damage

>> No.17409549

>>17409343
the vast majority of sex does not. for clarity let's differentiate sex from mating as we continue.

>> No.17409609

>>17407750
Cuddling and making plans is also very appealing and rewarding. Sex is a wonderful bonus activity is all.
Love the eyebrow trend. M-mm

>> No.17409637

>>17408517
Yes.

>> No.17410600

Sex is a performance

>> No.17411064

>>17405849
As Deleuze says, paraphrasing Spinoza, we still do not know what our bodies can do. Even our wildest s&m fantasies are all too often trite and formulaic. This is why Foucault ultimately concludes that "sex is boring." His History of Sexuality is an account, not of sexual practices themselves, but "of the manner in which pleasure, desires, and sexual behaviors have been problematized, reflected upon and thought about" at different times and across different cultures. It's an amazing story of contingencies and mutations, of violence and cunning, of continual innovations in methods of control, of exquisite refinements in the arts of cruelty. No structure of power relations remains stable for very long; no position can be taken for granted, and no outcome is preordained. It's a long way from Athens to Berkeley; the "care of the self" in ancient Greece is almost "diametrically opposed" to "the Californian cult of the self." Obsessive self-examination, focusing on sexual behavior, is of course central to both; but in the service of altogether different motives and values. The one preaches moderation and self-fashioning, the other authenticity and self-discovery. It's hard to decide which is worse. Yet for all these historical differences in paradigms of self and sexuality, the real problem is that things never change enough. Problematizations differ, but concrete behaviors do not. What finally most depresses Foucault is the monotonous sameness of sexual practices and behaviors, from one time and culture to another. Always the same positions, the same rhythms, the same rituals, the same binary divisions of gender. Foucault discovers, beneath our apparent sexual variety, an appalling paucity of imagination and invention. Hence his famous call, at the end of The Order of Things, for the disappearance and "absolute dispersion of Man." And hence the epigraph from Rene Char, which graces the second and third volumes of The History of Sexuality: "human history is a long sequence of synonyms for the same word. It is our duty to contradict this."

>> No.17411539

>>17405852
People go through the trouble of having sex, because you have a bunch of instincts that constantly pressure you to do so.

>> No.17411548

>>17405984
>People do enjoy shitting in a sexual manner are you just being dumb?
Dam, who cares about some sexual fetish.

>> No.17411558

>>17406355
One is about sex, the other about love and intimacy, if you dont understand the difference, you are a sociopath.

>> No.17411580

>>17411558
>sex and love are different
found the roastie

>> No.17412390

>>17405918
maybe not doing right?

>> No.17412420

>>17408517
Yep

>> No.17412422

>>17405849
he meant to lure all the virgins on
/lit/ to one thread.

>> No.17412428

>>17405849
what did hegel say about sex?

>> No.17412448

>>17412428
something about dialectics

>> No.17412515

>>17409002
This. Boomers that fell for the "fiber is necessary for healthy bowel movements" meme take 20-30 minutes to shit.

>> No.17412540

>>17412428
>It is in the actual conclusion of a marriage, i.e. in the wedding, that the essence of the tie is expressed and established beyond dispute as something ethical, raised above the contingency of feeling and private inclination. If this ceremony is taken as an external formality, a mere so-called “civil requirement,” it is thereby stripped of all significance except perhaps that of serving the purpose of edification and attesting the civil relation of the parties … As such it appears as something not merely indifferent to the true nature of marriage, but actually alien to it. The heart is constrained by the law to attach a value to the formal ceremony and the latter is looked upon merely as a condition which must precede the complete mutual surrender of the parties to one another. As such it appears to bring disunion into their loving disposition and, like an alien intruder, to thwart the inwardness of their union. Such a doctrine pretentiously claims to afford the highest conception of the freedom, inwardness, and perfection of love; but in fact it is a travesty of the ethical aspect of love, the higher aspect which restrains purely sensual impulse and puts it in the background … In particular, the view just criticized casts aside marriage’s specifically ethical character, which consists in this, that the consciousness of the parties is crystallized out of its physical and subjective mode and lifted to the thought of what is substantive; instead of continually reserving to itself the contingency and caprice of bodily desire, it removes the marriage bond from the province of this caprice, surrenders to the substantive.

>> No.17412554

>>17412428

Marriage, as the immediate type of ethical relationship, contains first, the moment of physical life; and since marriage is a substantial tie, the life involved in it is life in its totality, i.e. as the actuality of the race and its life-process. But, secondly, in self-consciousness the natural sexual union — a union purely inward or implicit and for that very reason existent as purely external — is changed into a union on the level of mind, into self-conscious love.

The ethical aspect of marriage consists in the parties' consciousness of this unity as their substantive aim, and so in their love, trust, and common sharing of their entire existence as individuals. When the parties are in this frame of mind and their union is actual, their physical passion sinks to the level of a physical moment, destined to vanish in its very satisfaction. On the other hand, the spiritual bond of union secures its rights as the substance of marriage and thus rises, inherently indissoluble, to a plane above the contingency of passion and the transience of particular caprice.
Thus one sex is mind in its self-diremption into explicit personal self-subsistence and the knowledge and volition of free universality, i.e. the self-consciousness of conceptual thought and the volition of the objective final end. The other sex is mind maintaining itself in unity as knowledge and volition of the substantive, but knowledge and volition in the form of concrete individuality and feeling. In relation to externality, the former is powerful and active, the latter passive and subjective. It follows that man has his actual substantive life in the state, in learning, and so forth, as well as in labour and struggle with the external world and with himself so that it is only out of his diremption that he fights his way to self-subsistent unity with himself. In the family he has a tranquil intuition of this unity, and there he lives a subjective ethical life on the plane of feeling. Woman, on the other hand, has her substantive destiny in the family, and to be imbued with family piety is her ethical frame of mind.

>> No.17412581

Predation on one side; ecstatic dismemberment on the other. Sex is not the deep secret, the hidden truth of our being. It isn't communion; it doesn't bring us together. It detaches us from others, and even from ourselves. Uproot it, then, from its place in The Ann Landers Encyclopedia. Foucault urges us to reject the ingrained Cartesian notion that there is "something other" in sex, "something else and something more," than bodies, organs, and their sensations and pleasures. Fucking is the last thing that will ever tell you who you are. It's not a return to roots, but an ongoing performance: an endless improvisation of things "neither intended nor felt." Foucault calls it a way to "get free of oneself" (se déprendre de soi-même). In the postmodern world, sex is no longer a fatality. It's an intense circulation of alien pains and pleasures, of unknown powers and vulnerabilities, of surprising engulfments and disgorgements. "Sex organs can sprout anywhere," Bucky Harris writes, "and one stroke of the tongue can be as electrifying as a fist up the ass." Furries and scalies come in all shapes and sizes; things can get pretty frantic at FurryMUCK. But furry sex is just one way to go; there are others. If you aren't into all that hair, you might find shaving the pubes a turn-on. Or you can become a vampire, if you prefer blood to cum. If you don't like leather, then try rubber: a different substance, a different feel, a different set of sensations. All these are not fantasies, but actual work on the body. When you open your mouth--or your ass, or your cunt--there's no way of knowing what "foreign particles" will enter. And when you entrust your body to someone else's mouth, ass, or cunt, all you know is that, whatever else happens, you won't emerge unscathed. Sex isn't fusion but confusion, as Sonic Youth once put it. You are never more alone, more separate, than when you shudder in orgasm. But afterwards, back in touch with the world, you find that your body has somehow been strangely altered: "My gums bled into his palms, which he cupped," recounts a narrator in Laurie Weeks' Swallow. "I wanted to pour the blood back into his body, which was mine... I wanted to spit my teeth into his palm, a gift... I took an odd satisfaction in this state of affairs. I felt that now my disease spoke for me, that it reflected the seriousness, the depth, that my flesh and childish prattle used to hide. I listened to records, read poetry... I smoked Marlboros and vaguely felt my lungs soften, bits of them begin to drift toward my feet."

>> No.17412593

Foucault literally invented fisting, how do you think the person who would do something like that experiences sex? He was the male equivalent of a woman who needs double penetration by 14 foot chainsaw dildos to get off

>> No.17413476

>>17406332
scientologist spotted

>> No.17413484

>>17413476
Postmodernism fucking bodied the field of scientific study

>> No.17413485

>>17407685
Not sure how to answer your question, but I know in other writings Foucault said that it's a mistake for modern people to view sexuality as an identity and a state of being. He said that in the past if someone had sex with a man then they were simply guilty of sodomy or buggery, it doesn't make them a homosexual. Homosexual identity doesn't exist. Modern people tie sex into identity, so if you have sex with a man then you become a homosexual. Foucault rejected the idea that sex equals identity and preferred that sex was simply an action. So LGBT shit he would not like and would probably reject

>> No.17413500

>>17413485
It took Foucault all those words to say that? As they day on the construction site:
>build 50 bridges and youre a bridge-builder, but suck one dick...

>> No.17413514

>>17413500
All philosophers do is spend too many words to explain basic stuff. But that's because their audience isn't people on the construction site, but "intellectuals" who are so far up their own rears that they can't understand anything unless you turn it into an essay

>> No.17413670

>>17405852
Fpbp

>> No.17413692

>>17405852
Unironically Shakespeare stated foucault's entire catalogue of philosophy in like 5 lines of "As You Like it" where he ties together love, punishment, sex and insanity as being intricately related.
Shakespeare is infinitely better almost all the time

>> No.17413739 [DELETED] 

>>17413692
>where he ties together love, punishment, sex and insanity as being intricately related
Foucault do this. Did you read Foucault or are you talking out of your ass?

>> No.17413745

>>17413692
>where he ties together love, punishment, sex and insanity as being intricately related
Foucault didn't do this. Did you read Foucault or are you talking out of your ass?

>> No.17413771 [DELETED] 

>>17405849
He was saying: You these broads, are like, whatever.

But these dudes! I can get into that ;)

>> No.17415153

i used to think this when i fucked women. then i started fucking men and traps. that made sex great again for me. i could get hard. i could feel like a fucking beast again. i was excited about sex instead of loathing having to be around the wretched vagina. sex

>> No.17415166

If he thought sex was boring, he wouldn't have gotten AIDS like a faggot. Hoping he's burning in hell right now.

>> No.17415167

>>17415166
No gods here
Try the next life

>> No.17415306

>>17405849
>>17406019
>”Sex without pain is like food without taste.”
After a certain age, prolapsing can be a bad thing