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17404919 No.17404919 [Reply] [Original]

Who, in your opinion, is the most undeserving winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature?

Try to avoid easy copout answers like Bob Dylan or anyone in the last 10 years.

>> No.17404924

>>17404919
me

>> No.17404933

>>17404924
nvm though you were asking who deserves one the most

>> No.17404938

>>17404919
Toni Morrison

>> No.17404958

>>17404924
This

>> No.17404963

me

>> No.17405093

>>17404919
Bob Dylan.

Pearl Buck.

>> No.17405122

>>17404919
Sully Prudhomme. Especially considering who was alive at the time

>> No.17405136

The guy who won after he was dead
Jellinek
Vicente Aleixandre was pretty much just watered down Lorca and less edgy Borges

>> No.17405473

When they literally gave it to themselves, Martinson & Johnson. Martinson later did harakiri with a scissor out of shame.

>> No.17405506

of the ones i've read: martinson, simon, transtromer, modiano, golding, andric, hemingway are egregiously undeserving.

>> No.17405517

Echegaray is dreadful. Total mystery how he got the award.

>> No.17405544 [DELETED] 

Galsworthy winning over Waugh or Forster is a fucking joke.

>> No.17405562

>>17404919
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson instead of his countryman Henrik Ibsen is utterly baffling

>> No.17405812

>>17405506
At least you’ve read those, personally I think an argument can be made for Ivo Andric and Hemingway, and like Golding other authors who deserved it have basically won it in the basis of just like 1 or 2 works. Some of the Scandinavians they selected though are legit out of print and likely will never be read by more like 4-5 people in the entire world at once again.

Personally I support historians like Mommsen and Churchill being on there, but I draw the line at a philosopher like Russell who’s writing is not even that particularly good

>> No.17405881

>>17405122
It would have been Tolstoy I think if he hadn’t expressly indicated that he would decline it. Would have certainly made for a more inspiring start anyway if they just made him recipient in absentia and against his will

>> No.17406040

>>17404919
Kawabata receiving the nobel instead of Mishima in 1968.

>> No.17406044

>>17404919
John steinbeck.

>> No.17406076

>>17404919
Any woman or Jew that has won it

>> No.17406086

>>17404919
Russell and Churchill are some of the most common answers.
Then there's Martison who spanned the whole spectrum, starting with giving himself the Nobel prize, and ending with killing himself as a result of the outrage is caused.

>>17405122
Prudhomme is really an artifact of the time and a good example of how the Nobel prize used to be much more ideological than it is now, memers notwithstanding. They chose him only because they considered a "strong ideal" must be a "national ideal" and prudhomme fit the bill.

>> No.17406092

>>17405812
Wasn't Churchill's book ghostwritten?

>> No.17406099

>>17406040
Kawabatta is every bit as good as Mishima.

>> No.17406148

>>17404919
Ed Gein

>> No.17406151

>>17406099
That's because Mishima literally ghostwrote Kawabata's novels

>> No.17406167

>>17406086
Martinson and Eyvind Johnson were members of the Swedish Academy and gave themselves the prize, instead of Graham Greene or Vladimir Nabokov. Fucking pathetic, lol.

>> No.17406174

>>17406076
I can tell you're a serious critical thinker who definitely judges art based on its merits

>> No.17406231

>>17404919
most of those Scandinavian literal whos did not deserve it

>> No.17406258

>>17406151
He was mighty precocious, ghostwriting novels for an older and well-known writer at age 10.

>> No.17406297

>>17406258
Not every single work of Kawabata, but there is decent evidence to support the claim that Mishima wrote The House of the Sleeping Beauties

>> No.17406388

>>17406297
So "decent evidence" (all I can find is unsubstantiated claims by two random guys in their autobiographies, and an extensive stylometric analysis that actually concludes Sleeping Beauty is closer to Kawabatta's style than Mishima's) that Mishima might have perhaps conjecturally written one of Kawabatta's short work among dozens is the same as Mishima having written most of Kawabatta's work?

Even granting this alleged ghostwriting, the rest of Kawabatta's works stands on its own.