/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.17396589]

"Chain of Dogs" Edition.

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[Anonymous No.17396630]

First for Masters of Rome

[Anonymous No.17396655]

>The man in the dinner plate licked his lips, possessed of a rage that bordered on lust. His escape was at hand.

[Anonymous No.17396667]

Just read pic. Almost fell asleep, idk what I was expecting but that was horrible. Thank god for wintersteel, say what you will about chink shit but at least its interesting.

[Anonymous No.17396671]

>>17396561
Because despite my love of complaining, I do see the good in things. And Sanderson has potential. His stories are just told in an obnoxious manner. If the telling of his stories was better, then he truly would be great. I'm hoping that Mistborn is better told than Elantris or Warbreaker.

[Anonymous No.17396676]

>>17396589
Deadhouse Gates was such a good book.

[Anonymous No.17396696]

Every time I re-read the march out of Aren I hope and hope that Dukier or anyone would just kill Pormquall before he orders the surrender and every time my heart is broken when they don't

[Anonymous No.17396705]

>>17396667
>Chink shit
Is Will Wight Chinese?

[Anonymous No.17396723]

>>17396671
Of course he has something going for him. I just wouldn't call it "potential".
All you see is all you will ever get from him. Don't suddenly expect him to wake up one day and start writing masterpieces.
He has the Cosmere up his ass and he will never escape it, making his books substantially worse because of it.

He has good ideas. But on paper, he can sadly not deliver.
He can't write good prose, good characters, and realistic dialogue.

[Anonymous No.17396758]

>>17396723
You're probably right. But I'm still going to try this one last time. Look at it this way: when he inevitably fails me again, you'll have another ally in your hate campaign against him. One who can speak with some authority.

[Anonymous No.17396777]

>>17396758
You think I hate Sanderson?
Sorry to disappoint you.

[Anonymous No.17396796]

>>17396777
You talk like you hate him. But whatever. Makes no real matter.

[Anonymous No.17396809]

Le Guin is still the queen.

[Anonymous No.17396889]

>>17396667
Why you believed Greene?

[Anonymous No.17396903]

>>17396889
Unfortunately I do watch youtube, and he was right about Jade City.

[Anonymous No.17396937]

Where is the twelve-talent whore from last thread

[Anonymous No.17396950]

>>17396937
>Humm, did you call Akka?

[Anonymous No.17397050]

>>17396950
>cum chalice

[Anonymous No.17397052]

>>17396809
she sure is petting that cat fast

[Anonymous No.17397204]

>>17396705
clearly, he wishes he was

[Anonymous No.17397233]

Just finished the prologue to Hyperion and about to dive in further, wish me luck bros.

[Anonymous No.17397237]

>>17397233
glhf

[Anonymous No.17397255]

>>17397233
I wish I could repeat the experience of reading Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion for the first time

[Anonymous No.17397265]

>>17396705
Maybe he isn't Chinese, but it's clear where he drew inspiration from.

[Anonymous No.17397279]

>>17397265
I agree. But let's not be so eager to pass the blame. If a western cartoon studio emulated the Japanese style of animation, would you call it "anime"? Or "Japshit"?

[Anonymous No.17397281]

>>17397255
>Fall of Hyperion
yes, I'd like to erase this from my mind as well.

[Anonymous No.17397404]

>as though (something grandiloquent)...
>SCARP
>a cataract of ___
Any other Bakkerisms you guys notice?

[Anonymous No.17397449]

>>17397281
Never understood the hatred this book receives. Fantastic follow up to the first book.

[Anonymous No.17397470]

>>17397449
It's not quite as good as the fantastic first book and is therefore irredeemable trash

[Anonymous No.17397493]

>>17397404
>[phrase]. [Phrase repeated for emphasis]!
>[verb] for [phrase]. (ie. crack for fury)
>[cyclopean immensity]
>[black seed jets]
>[referring to characters by their formal titles]

[Anonymous No.17397494]

Laseen deserves to die if for no other reason than throwing Coltain and the Wickans under the bus like that. They fucking died to save the worthless skins of the people of Aren and then they get fucking slandered and pogromed for it. What a disgrace. The Emperor never would've stood for it.

[Anonymous No.17397519]

>>17396809
Queen of garbage writing.

[Anonymous No.17397559]

>>17397494
made no sense how the one guy just let her live

[Anonymous No.17397592]

>>17397493
HOW
I HATE
THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.17397630]

This is a confy thread.

[Anonymous No.17397654]

>>17397559
Initially he was gonna kill her for betraying Dujek, but after hearing her reasons decided leaving her to her fate (where she was likely going to be coup'd) was more than fair recompense for being an incompetent usurper.

[Anonymous No.17397659]

>>17397494

[Anonymous No.17397677]

Damn no wonder akka simpin

[Anonymous No.17397683]

>>17397677
A man of good taste, I see.

[Anonymous No.17397689]

Just got to pop's monologue... And I thought the nonmen were long-winded!

[Anonymous No.17397697]

>>17397689
>When, Father?
>When will you quit your yapping?

[Anonymous No.17397834]

I don't give a fuck what anyone says, diversity and social justice extremism has utterly ruined this genre.

You can't even write anything vaguely non-European without everything going under a microscope, and if you stick to European you're accused of being cliched.

[Anonymous No.17397858]

>>17397834
The solution is simple: stop caring. We're just re-entering an era where artists have to have actual jobs besides art. Get a day job, write in your free time, give no fucks about profits or retard opinions.

[Anonymous No.17397888]

>>17397834
Why would you ever write historical fantasy?

[Anonymous No.17397901]

>>17397888
I'm not writing historical fantasy, I mean European-inspired, Asian-inspired etc.

It's supposed to be fantasy but these fuckers think everything must be some respectful reinterpretation of cultures.

[Anonymous No.17397910]

>>17397834
>implying you write

[Anonymous No.17397933]

Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.17397943]

>>17397888
Why wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.17397957]

Started pic related. I just finished The Broken Sword, and Black Sun Rising’s prose seems a little dull in comparison. Should I keep going? My favorite sci-fi/fantasy is Second Apocalypse and Dune for reference.

[Anonymous No.17398080]

Guys be cool, there could be an attractive girl reading this thread right now

[Anonymous No.17398098]

>>17397834
DIversity and Social justice have ruined every aspect of our lives, and will end our civilization.

[Anonymous No.17398147]

>>17398098
>t.brainlet

[Anonymous No.17398178]

Where to get audiobooks, lads?

[Anonymous No.17398237]

>>17397677
What darkness is this?

[Anonymous No.17398243]

>>17397697
lol

still worth the twists

[Anonymous No.17398244]

>>17398178
Audible

[Anonymous No.17398286]

>>17397957
The writing consists of a bunch of cliched phrases so I couldn't really finish it. The fact the writer was into costume making and therefore devoted more energy in describing clothing than characters or the scenery was really off putting. A fat American old lady writing about clothes and attractive men described with shit straight out of Twilight was too much for me.
I don't think the main antagonist makes it a worthy read, like the faggot who memed me into reading it claimed, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.17398311]

How does Aspect-Emperor hold up to the trilogy?

[Anonymous No.17398317]

I've always been a fan of stories from people playing games like Dwarf Fortress, CDDA, and other roguelikes with emergent storytelling where there is a genuine sense that anything can happen.

Are there any fantasy books like that? I'm not looking for characters being killed off for shock value or something random for random's sake, but are there any decent stories where the formula isn't obvious after the first few pages but the sequence of events make logical sense?

Please for the love of god no Dragonlance.

[Anonymous No.17398336]

>>17398311
First two books are a bit of a slog, last two books are the best of Bakker’s work.

[Anonymous No.17398365]

>>17398080
Simping for lax women is not becoming of an Ordealman, Anon.

[Anonymous No.17398378]

>>17398178
http://audiobookbay.net
You can also find plenty on piratebay and 1337x

[Anonymous No.17398390]

>>17398178
https://the-eye.eu/public/Random/torrents/TheEye_AudioBooks/

[Anonymous No.17398398]

>>17398178
myanonymouse

[Anonymous No.17398493]

TELL ME.

WHAT DO YOU SEE?

[Anonymous No.17398498]

>>17396589
I hate niggers

[Anonymous No.17398519]

>>17398098
You mean women

[Anonymous No.17398525]

>>17398098
My least favorite words are diversity and inclusion

[Anonymous No.17398542]

>>17398493
I don't like this picture.

[Anonymous No.17398544]

This was good light reading, emphasis on light. It was fun but not especially funny. I'd read the other ones, but only if I could get em for cheap.

[Anonymous No.17398553]

How can I get a big tiddie gf that reads Bakker?

[Anonymous No.17398653]

>>17398553
only trannies read bakker, the few women who did read him he scared away when they criticized his female characters and he sperged out back when he was more active on places like westeros.org

[Anonymous No.17398665]

>>17396676
i dont know it was alright, the ending was so abrupt and poorly done that it almost soured the entire experience. anything that happened, happened for no reason, its like erikson was making it up as he went along. only the scholar warrior dude was interesting. fucking hell erikson needs to learn how to write characters that arent "tragic military man #124345" and "sorcerer rogue cunt #4343"

[Anonymous No.17398808]

Anybody got any good Malazan memes?

[Anonymous No.17398832]

Look how nice Bakker’s restored barn is.
>tfw you will never share a beer with him in his cozy book loft, and pry the plot of the No-God from his mind.

https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2019/09/09/postcards-from-planet-analogue/

[Anonymous No.17398886]

>>17397404
cRaShSpAcE oF mEaNiNg!

sEmAnTiC aPoCaLyPsE!

[Anonymous No.17398895]

>>17397494
but she did, for being a shitty empress and letting the jhistal run free

read return of the crimson guard

[Anonymous No.17398899]

>>17397677
who's this thot? IG link?

[Anonymous No.17398922]

>>17398311
there's some really interesting scenes/ideas/characters/etc.

there's some better worldbuilding

and there's some really shitty plotting, editing, faux-philosophizing, and basic spellcheck stuff.

a better writer would have stitched it up in 2-3 books and have delivered books 1-2 of a follow-up by now

all that said, it's bakker. trying to convince the nutjobs that he sucks is a fool's errand

[Anonymous No.17398927]

>>17398493
bakker's inverse asshole

[Anonymous No.17398936]

>>17398832
i can tell you what the plot of no-god is: nothing

bitch has never had anything, which is why he hasn't released jack in the last 4+ years. he barely held it together to finish aspect-emperor

[Anonymous No.17398950]

>>17398832
I wish I was a fantasy author with a cosy restored barn.

I would honestly be so content with my life.

[Anonymous No.17399023]

>>17397834
Does anyone have any suggestions for something white, and especially like anon's picture? I'm desperate to read something that is white and cool like that. please

[Anonymous No.17399025]

>>17397050
it's probably some kind of lemon cocktail

[Anonymous No.17399032]

>>17399023
Every book is white if they bleach the paper.

[Anonymous No.17399033]

>>17398808
that's a shit meme

[Anonymous No.17399037]

>>17397404
ya know guys, our brain only weighs 3 pounds!

[Anonymous No.17399050]

>>17399032
dude im laughing so hard right now.
do you have any suggestions? come on there's got to be something good out there, and i mean besides c.s. lewis or tolkein. I just want something white. why is that so bad to ask for? there's diversity and inclusion in everything, in every genre, in every source of media and entertainment. can i enjoy SOMETHING without it having blacks and queers in it please? everyone wins in this situation. i'll keep to my corner and read my evil white supremacist fiction that is evil and bad, and you guys get to enjoy the awesome and super enlightened diverse fiction. i keep to my dark corner of evil and whiteness (gross) and I am deprived of the greatness of black women airship captains and trans wizards. i stay away from you and you stay away from me. we both win.

[Anonymous No.17399143]

>>17396667
Isn't this some bad Lit RPG garbage?

[Anonymous No.17399154]

>>17399050
I read mainly fantasy but plenty doesn’t have any niggers or gays. Just off the top
of my head:
Fionavar tapestry
Licinious trilogy
Chronicles of Thomas covenant
The faithful and the fallen
Memory, sorrow, and thorn
anything with King Arthur
Cradle (Asian tho)
Curse of chalion

Sci fi
I don’t remember dune or Hyperion having niggers or gays. Same with revelation space.

[Anonymous No.17399161]

>>17399154
Meant for >>17399023
Looks like faggot jannies got triggered

[Anonymous No.17399179]

>>17399161
You’re an abrasive retard with no manners, and I don’t want to help you.
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.17399218]

>>17399179
Dilate before you kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17399279]

>>17399161
thanks

[Anonymous No.17399335]

>>17399023
Lyonesse you fucking pleb

[Anonymous No.17399468]

>>17399143
it's not litrpg, as in it doesn't give you pages of stats. It is boring, and it does have moments that are clearly like a video game. But it isn't literal in it's inspiration. It's just uninspired. And boring. And has pages describing skills and how he plans on improving. Fuck me it is.

[Anonymous No.17399497]

>>17399032
Fun fact, they actually use dies for some paper, main reason why news print becomes yellow years after publication.

[Anonymous No.17399556]

>A screaming came across the sky

[Anonymous No.17399701]

>>17398922
>Filtered

[Anonymous No.17399963]

have a Sci-Fi story I'm finishing, and it's driven more by the characters than by the setting and subtly focusing on Earth's bias issues while having to recreate society on a new planet a la a young adult (actual young adults, not the genre) version of Lord of the Flies.

Because it's driven by the characters, two of the MC's clash over my hijabi's headscarf vs. my Wealthy-Elite-White-Christian boy's need for control leading to one of the rising action events and I 'm mentally torn as to if it's "too religious" for a Sci-Fi novel (or any novel genre where the book isn't deliberately focused on religion).

Why I think not: 1.) "Traditionalist" Christianity seems to think/talk a LOT about other religions, specifically TO people of other faiths. 2.) It's the "easy way" for MC 2 to try to exert control, which goes well with his background of having power/respect/control/success handed to him with little effort. 3.) MC 1 is close with the opposing group MC 2 is battling for power against so it's also an easy way to try to hurt/control them.

Why I think yes: I'm scared it might be taken as "lazy author went for the low-hanging fruit of religion vs. religion" instead of as a thought-out conflict between the two characters no matter how much I put into it.

[Anonymous No.17400074]

>>17399963
>headscarf causes conflict between an elite WASP and a brown person
Can't wait to watch this episode of Barney

[Anonymous No.17400124]

>>17397449
It's just a very different tone to the first book. It also semi-switches genre from 'sci-fi omnibus weird' to simple space opera, which throws some people off.

Additionally the people who hate on Fall usually only like a handful of the stories from the first book, usually the Priest's tale. I guess that's the risk you run having a collection of thematically distinct stories in your book. At least Fall is consistent

[Anonymous No.17400236]

>>17398493
>learning that it was nau cayuti freaking out because he couldn't understand what was happening

[Anonymous No.17400252]

>>17398899
@jasl.en

[Anonymous No.17400301]

When was Bakker’s last book published?

[Anonymous No.17400384]

>>17400301
2017.

Also check out his wikipedia page it's pretty funny, he clearly wrote it himself. Also

The Darkness That Comes Before (2004)
The Warrior-Prophet (2005)
The Thousandfold Thought (2006)

that's some pretty impressive work ethic

[Anonymous No.17400414]

>>17400301
>>17400384
>>17398832
>>17398886
the dude's got mental health problems

[Anonymous No.17400439]

>>17400414
Who doesn't nowadays, am I right?

[Anonymous No.17400440]

>>17400414
>the dude's got mental health problems

Perhaps that’s why he’s a genius.

[Anonymous No.17400469]

>>17400252
>jasl.en
It says "non-binary" honestly what does that mean? Does that mean this girl is a he? or she's bisexual?

[Anonymous No.17400473]

TTT spoilers

It wouldn’t end here, oh my, no! It would continue, first to the south, to Seleukara, then onward to Nenciphon, west to Invishi—all the way to Auvangshei and the legendary gates of Zeüm! He, Ikurei Conphas I, would be the new Triamis, the next Aspect-Emperor of the Three Seas!

He turned scowling to his retinue. How could they not see it? It was all so clear. But then, they peered through the smoke of mortality. All they could see now was their precious Holy City. But time would show. In the meantime, they need only foll—

“Who’s that?” General Areamanteras abruptly muttered. Conphas found and recognized the man immediately.

Drusas Achamian, walking through the grass, turning toward them, his eyes and mouth ablaze—

Groping for his Chorae, he screamed, “Cememket—”

But heat sucked all air from his lungs. He heard screams dissolve like salt into boiling broth. He was falling.

owned

[Anonymous No.17400479]

>>17400469
it's a confused girl that has bought deeply into retarded globohomo identity politics and thinks that she is a "they" because she wears pants sometimes and kissed a girl in college. kinda hot desu.

[Anonymous No.17400495]

>>17400469
just means ur edgy

[Anonymous No.17400566]

Will the next uncompromising, visionary, genre-transforming fantasy author please stand up. Come on, I know you're reading this.

[Anonymous No.17400571]

]He breathed shuddering air into Moënghus’s hot mouth. The snakes twisted through his hair, pressed hard and phallic against his temples. Cnaiür groaned. So unlike Serwë or Anissi. A wrestler’s clasp, firm and unyielding. The promise of surrender, of shelter in stronger arms. [/spoiler

told you gnauir was a bottom

[Anonymous No.17400577]

>>17400566
I’m a great critic, but a shit writer.

[Anonymous No.17400581]

>>17400571
why does this make my phallus turgid

[Anonymous No.17400590]

>>17400566
how could fantasy even be transformed at this point? it's become so stagnant.

[Anonymous No.17400651]

>>17400590
> it's become so stagnant.

Not taking plot ideas and imagination into account, sff writers are not very good overall. I just wish that we could have more writers that could deliver good prose and good characters.

I know that this is a hot take, but having Nobel laureate tier writers is what I’m missing the most in the genre. And I don’t mean modern Novel.

[Anonymous No.17400680]

>>17400590
it's not good but it's hardly stagnant

[Anonymous No.17400689]

>>17400680
>>17400590
oversaturated market; low-literacy audience raised on capeshit/ netflix; demands of wokeness/ political correctness: these are the thorns in the sides of modern fantasy. not exactly stagnation.

[Anonymous No.17400704]

>Why yes, I do enjoy a spot of Meat here and there, a nibble from time to
time; quite.

[Anonymous No.17400968]

>>17400473
His smile and optimism, gone.

[Anonymous No.17400972]

>>17400414
speaking of which...
has anyone read 'neuropath'?

[Anonymous No.17401002]

>>17400972
yeah. i found the prose pretty schlocky desu, it doesn't hold the rapture and grandeur of the Earwa books. bak falters when trying to write a "sleek, hip, modern" setting imo.

similar "blind-brain manipulated by charismatic sociopath" premise and philosophical inclinations as SA, just tranposed into a modern serial killer setting.

[Anonymous No.17401096]

>>17400571
Only for moe

[Anonymous No.17401104]

>>17401002
i haven't checked him out before
looks like a fun guy to jump into
where would you start?

[Anonymous No.17401147]

>>17401104
I've read most of his stuff.

Neuropath is kind of sleek and hip like the other guy said, it's pretty fucked up but reads like an entertaining steven king kind of book, pretty good overall. Main criticism people have is how there are basically long parts where a character is talking to another and explaining how fucked up it is and bakkers ideas about the subject of the book (crazy genius neuroscientist guy who worked on mkultra type shit for the government is loose and killing people gruesomely and hacking the physical meat of their brain to make them do stuff like have orgasms from cutting themselves so they cut themselves to death on camera, kind of like SAW or something. He thinks it's all pretty possible with modern or near future technology, I didn't mind that though, pretty good book anyway.

Disciple of the dog is basically a noir/detective story, super cynical main character who is a private eye, the gimmick (and it's a pretty interesting one) is that he has like a 100% perfect memory, like PERFECT. There's some great bits where he's like, "almost at my millionath ciggarete. Anyway this guy has to investigate these dissapearances and murders, there's this weird kind of branch dividian cult in the area as well. If you like the genre you will probably like this book.

Prince of nothing series is what he's most known for, super grimdark epic fantasy, not pozzed, great prose, everyone is an asshole, great stuff. First book in the series is "the darkness that comes before" 3 books in that series and there's a 2nd series after a 20 year timeskip that is 4 books.


I recommend you start with this free short story by him https://rsbakker.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/crash-space-tpb.pdf

to see if you like his work, then you can read any of these.

[Anonymous No.17401288]

>>17401147
you are very kind to share
ty, this sounds like an author i can def fuck with
that detective story sounds like where i should start
after i'm done smoking the philip k. dick i'm on now i'm goin in on 'disciple of the dog'

[Anonymous No.17401299]

Samarmas is cute.

[Anonymous No.17401453]

>>17401147
A man of culture, I see.

What do you like to read outside of sff?

[Anonymous No.17401579]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYXin3cE59s&ab_channel=RZRWILLY

bakkarian

[Anonymous No.17401637]

>>17401579
This is The sound Achamian does when he makes mud in Esmi’s pot.

[Anonymous No.17401817]

>>17400651
That's what happens when 1) majority of the big SFF publishers are looking for muh diversity and publish substandard books because it fits their political objectives, and 2) new aspiring writers think that having a cool world and magic system is enough to make their story great. Then they write some derivative plot with characters that are mostly lifted from other books and video games.

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.17401870]

>>17396589
Lathe of Heaven - Ursula K. LeGuin (1971)
This reads like LeGuin wrote a Philip K. Dick story. I felt that way from beginning to end. It comes with all the fun and problems that being a PKD story entails. LeGuin and Dick went to school together but never met and later corresponded. She said in an interview that this book was heavily inspired by his 60s novels and it really shows, for better and worse.

Most everything about it went all over the place. Some parts I really enjoyed and others and I really wondered why I was reading. It was rather different from anything else I've read from her, which in this case meant it was worse than her average. As a story in of itself, it's fine. As a LeGuin work, it's a definite disappointment for me.

The premise is that the protagonist's dreams become reality. This causes a lot of problems for everyone, himself included. The practical purpose of this is to demonstrate comparative continuums of existence. In some ways it's a monkey's paw type of story. Everything is subordinate to the various short demonstrations of alternate retroactive presents.

Fortunately it's a relatively short read so it doesn't overstay its welcome. How much you'll get out of this will depend on willing you are you draw meaning from the assertions and statements throughout the book, but for me it mostly fell flat, even the parts I agreed with. This may well be her most Taoist work. It's certainly a work of political, ethical, and religious philosophy with definite and strongly held opinions about how we ought to be and even more so how we shouldn't be.

However, based on what the average person reveals in their review of it, it seems to be a very useful book for disillusioning people of certain noxious though ostensibly well-intentioned beliefs. I'm glad it's as relatively popular as it is.

Rating: 2.5/5

[Anonymous No.17402002]

>>17401817
They only do this because they think that it will make them money. Another thing that you have to consider is that the overwhelming majority of readers (and sff in particular) are women. And most of these are young and progressivists.

I just think that the genre is filled with introverts with no social skills. Some writers simply cannot write dialogue, making character interactions pure cringe.

[Anonymous No.17402121]

>>17402002
>They only do this because they think that it will make them money.

doubtful. have you ever looked on the social media of an editor or the people responsible for this stuff?

>>17402002
it's less that the overwhelming majority of readers are women and more that the overwhelming majority of readers who read new series by new authors are women and that number is in itself tiny.

You can go find the numbers but the number of individuals buying new books by unestablished authors is literally in the low thousands, word of mouth and reviews from those people is HUGE and they are all soys

[Anonymous No.17402211]

>>17401579
I
SMELL
CUNNY

[Anonymous No.17402235]

>>17402002
>>17402121
The decision makers at major publishers have the same problem that a lot of corporations have - they have social media and marketing people trying to convince them that the vocal minority on reddit and twitter represent the majority view. Obviously those people want fantasy books that reflect their left wing social and political views, but I think the majority of people, even left wingers, don't want to read stories with so much political propaganda.

Fantasy has never been a great place to find good dialog. I don't know why that is; it could be because you have some people trying to write with an archaic style they're not trained in. Or it could be because you have authors trying way too hard to write dialog that's witty or clever instead of realistic.

[Anonymous No.17402449]

reminder that bakkaro writes on a computer without internet to avoid distractions

[Anonymous No.17402488]

>>17402235
It's hard to write serious prose and then explain how the elves are dancing in the trees.

[Anonymous No.17402513]

>>17397519
Filtered

[Anonymous No.17402538]

>>17402449
sounds like someone's feeling a little...hopeful
riddle me this:
do you really think bakker would actually give the series some kind of "happy" or even "gray" conclusion?
either our heroes go on some madcap journey to Zeüm or Eänna and somehow, magically, find the heron spear and stop the no-god at the last second, returning the world to the granary of damnation it always was. or else, (more likely) they try, and fail, and evil wins again... so what's the point of bothering to write more books, deal with more infuriating publishers, just to end up at the same morbid and depressing conclusion?
i'm pretty sure "salt and butchery" is meant to be the End of the series. i'm pretty sure bakker's moved on to greener pastures. perhaps we must all do the same.

[Anonymous No.17402573]

>>17402538
no need for the heron spear when the sarcophagus has no chorae this time

I think he's still writing it, it's only been 4 years since the last book, very possible it's finished or almost finished and he's just looking for a publisher

[Anonymous No.17402586]

>A thread without Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17402600]

>>17402573
That's no the issue. How long has it been since he last posted something?

[Anonymous No.17402609]

>>17402573
>he still clings to the delusional hope that his little World might be saved
>he still doesn't accept that Resumption is the best and happiest possible outcome for Eärwa

[Anonymous No.17402689]

>>17402573
"I will warn you just this once,Do you understand?"

Howcan I do this? How long must he wage two wars, one for the world, the other against himself?

"But I must know I can trust you!"

"As I trusted you on the matter of Cnauirs death?"

A long pause, fraught with guilt and accusation.

"What would you have me say? You haven’t met the man! Until then, you can never know."

"Know what? Know what?"

That he’s modern fantasy's only hope. Mark me, Brother, he’s more than a mere Canadian, and he’ll be more than a mere author—far more! Harness your passions! You must see him as a tool—a writing tool!—nothing more, nothing less. We must possess him!

"And if having to see him stick with overlook's shitty editing is his price for “possession,” what then?"

"Bakker is our writer, ours! Only by submitting to over-"

"And other publishers? If they offer him a contract?"

Hesitation, both outraged and exasperated.

"All writers struggle with writers block, All men."

"Did I say he was a “man”? You haven’t yet seen him! There’s no other like him, Brother I tire of repeating this!"

"Nevertheless, you must yoke him. Our fandom depends upon it. Everything depends upon it!"

"You must believe me, brother. This man is beyond our abilities to possess. He …

The circumfix, the golden room, Mekeritrig hunting through his cape of faces, the horns of golgotterath, the meat... flashing through my mind unbidden, beguiling.

"He possesses."

[Anonymous No.17402696]

>>17402538
I'd agree with you but there are some unclear tied up ends like what happens to Achamian, Esmenet, and Mimara, what's the deal with the judging eye, did Kellhus manage to reign in hell after being salted or do all the other "gods" attack him for his association with Ajokli, what happens to the defective boy...maybe more.

[Anonymous No.17402736]

>>17398936
this anon is right, bakker had little to no concrete plans for the no-god series when he finished TUC, and i personally doubt he's given it much thought. he seems much more invested in his philosophy and teaching.

>>17402689
kek.
in all seriousness, the second apocalypse is the culmination of the man's life's work, and TUC is the crown jewel. if he needs to take 10 years before he returns to Eärwa, so be it.

[Anonymous No.17402985]

>He doesn't read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17403008]

>>17399025
>>17397050
Implying Esmenet didn't literally swallow seed during a famine.

[Anonymous No.17403009]

Redpill me on Bakker

Why is sffg so hot on him all of a sudden? Is it because Goodkind died?

[Anonymous No.17403021]

>>17403009
There's almost no one relevant left alive with an ongoing series, who can actually write good novels.

People always memed him here, and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.17403124]

>>17402985
>The Holy-Shill's meme was based. Based!

[Anonymous No.17403174]

>>17402538 Nah its coming
The inchoroi have 1 engine to power the no god instead of 2, akkas son shines, crabicus, the horde lead by moe junior, heron spear is probably in the skiotha barrows, zeum, eanas consult slavery, the 2 hearted men, mimaras powers, kellhus in the decapitants.Kino is coming bois
Some of my expectations
Akka and the posse run to golgoterat to hide until the horde continues southward, find kellhus and then try to escape by flanking westward including an ishual chapter towards zeum or whatever mimara decides.
Moe junior is other pov we follow and we got some juicy Scylvendi life lore together with loathing and heron spear shenangans
Dont know what happens with 3 seas and eanna tho

[Anonymous No.17403202]

>>17403174
Supposedly that one Cishaurim that kellhus dabs on but spares was going to be doing important things.

[Anonymous No.17403230]

>>17403174
Akka, Esmi, Mim, and Baby Lastborn searching for Decapitant-Kell in the bowels of Golgotterath? This sounds like a depraved sitcom. I love it.
Crab hand boy (Kell's grandson) gets taught Psûke by Meppa, combines it with Metagnosis to create le heckin ultra magic.
Some epic fuckery with Shea, the Dunsult and the Hells.
An anon can dream

[Anonymous No.17403437]

I CAN'T STOP WOOOOOORLDBUILDINGGGGGGGGG

[Anonymous No.17403498]

Pic related is an essential addition to any basic Tolkien collection. If you've read Hobbit and LotR but not Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales, I cannot respect you.

[Anonymous No.17403505]

>>17403498
I've tried to read it, but couldn't take any of it seriously since they were literally unfinished.

[Anonymous No.17403523]

>>17396667
Read the System Apocalypse series. Thank me later.

[Anonymous No.17403542]

>>17397858
You sir are a true artist at heart.

[Anonymous No.17403546]

>>17403523
>System Apocalypse
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.17403560]

>>17403546
who this?

[Anonymous No.17403562]

>>17403546
>>17403560
it's a dude (male) named hunter schafer

[Anonymous No.17403570]

>>17403562
Wrong, that's Serwe

[Anonymous No.17403575]

>>17403498
The Silmarillion is trash. It's nothing like The Hobbit or LotR

[Anonymous No.17403580]

>>17403575
poor bait

[Anonymous No.17403582]

>>17403580
NTA, but he's right.

[Anonymous No.17403606]

>>17396589
tried Bakker, got tired half-way through the second book. you heard all the criticisms, but trekkie like fandom you got going on here.

started lotr now, miles and miles better.

liked Dune and liked wizard of earthsea (Second and third not so much)

why can't fantasy writers write sequels?

[Anonymous No.17403612]

>>17403582
NTA, but you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.17403664]

>>17403582
NTA, but Silmarillion is based. Real Tolkien chads know.

[Anonymous No.17403684]

>>17400590
it's better to just have writers, not fantasy or scifi writers. who would want to associate themselves with trash?

[Anonymous No.17403789]

>>17401147
>super grimdark epic fantasy
>everyone is an asshole
why do people say this? i didn't get it all. they act fairly normal, in accord with their characterisation, sometimes too simplistically (unrealistic), there's nothing like this description. are they just used to fake, cool and righteous characters, that they can attach themselves to escapist-like? i understood exactly where every character was coming from and genuinely liked parts of them all (though that's irrelevant to their quality and readability). they don't seem unnecessarily bad to me, except maybe kelhuss because he's kinda inhuman and doesn't give a shit outside of self-preservation and his goal, and eliminates things he can't possess even when he doesn't need to.

[Anonymous No.17403799]

>>17403664
>Tolkien chads

[Anonymous No.17403812]

>>17403664
It feels like reading the Bible. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.17403830]

>>17403799
>he doesn't know amon sûl from amon rûdh
>he can't read and write tengwar
>he isn't a card-holding member of the tolkien society and a grantee of the elvish linguistic fellowship
ngmi friend

[Anonymous No.17403837]

>>17403606
we've only heard sandaros retarded criticisms, but yeah if you made it that far guess it's not for you

[Anonymous No.17403850]

>>17403837
>we've only heard sandaros retarded criticisms
Even the Sandersoys are now reading Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17403864]

I demand a revamp and mature version of the Redwallverse

[Anonymous No.17403873]

>>17403789
it's OBJECTIVELY super grimdark, pretty much anything you see people call grimdark

Malazan, asoiaf, black company, prince of thorns..

is way less grimdark.


sure you can sympathiese with characters but

Kellhus and the dunyain are all amoral psychopaths

Gnauir is a serial rapist, mass murderer and wife beater.

Kosoter is a walking genocide

Proyas and most of the inrithi are religious fanatics who are A OK with killing anyone of a different faith.

mandate are assholes, dunyain are assholes, consult are assholes, thousand temples are corrupt pedos

achamian would rather humanity all die than get cucked and is also a bit of a douche and fedora tipper

non asshole characters: Serwe, Esmenet, maithanet, Nautzera (ok he's an asshole but he's based)

[Anonymous No.17403881]

>>17403864
Extraordinarily, exquisitely, uncompromisingly BASED.

[Anonymous No.17403891]

>>17403873
>reddit spacing
damned after all.

[Anonymous No.17403894]

>>17403881
What the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.17403956]

There is nothing wrong with Tolkien.

I just think that the genre has greatly evolved.

Reading Tolkien feels like watching a good Black&White classic movie.

[Anonymous No.17404014]

>even as her scrotal breasts rounded
wtf bakker

and this is the longest you've gone without mentioning peaches

[Anonymous No.17404036]

>>17403873
this just points out things you say are bad in isolation and ignores the full characters. reductionist. and a lot of the things you said aren't even damningly bad, or bad at all if you see it from their perspective. Cnaiür is a wife beater as well as a man of tradition who supports, protects, and loves his wives. the bit where he was fighting sarcellus under serwe's corpse was great, sort of finally doing his job as her man posthumously. also, it's made pretty clear that he finds his actions contradictory, even though you could have a character where this happens and all is well, it's not the case with him as he suffers. he doesn't know why he hits his wives when he loves them, it's because he's damaged and not in a barbaric or evil way but in the way of a confused child.

also, i guess i thought grimdark meant being edgy and silly compounding of bad events and suffering because i've read all of the things you listed except asoiaf and thought they were edgy and boring. still not sure the label is really accurate here tho, all of the people have their beliefs and ideals.

[Anonymous No.17404048]

>>17403894
>he didn’t grow up reading redwall
sorry for your loss, anon.

[Anonymous No.17404075]

>>17403582
It wasn't meant to be like the Hobbit or LOTR. It was meant to explain the mythology of the world he created, which it did.

[Anonymous No.17404202]

>>17403789
Almost everyone is an asshole. Doesn't matter if you related, if you understood their motives, if they act believably. They're still assholes, manipulative and murdering assholes. That's the underlying tone to the characters. There's not a counterbalance, with bright characters, pious and solidary. And the narrativr is mostly pessimistic and focused on massacres, betrayals. The prologue and one of the motifs is the prophecy of doom. All this stuff is what makes it supergrimdark.
None of this is necessarily bad. You seem to have picked up some sarcasm in that poster but he's just describing characters in the books.

[Anonymous No.17404209]

>>17396671
Mistborn is shit, don't bother

[Anonymous No.17404217]

>>17404202
You never read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17404230]

>>17404217
What the fuck are you talking about? I recently reread Prince of Nothing and about to finish TUC.

[Anonymous No.17404239]

>The Holy Aspect-Chef’s voice spoke to every ear at once, strumming the souls of multitudes down to jelly of their spines.
>Henceforth, we shall journey...
>To Flavortown.

[Anonymous No.17404243]

>>17399023
Vox Day's Bone Throne

[Anonymous No.17404249]

I like this guy.

[Anonymous No.17404258]

>>17404249
>Reviewing and praising trash.
Nah, I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.17404268]

>>17404036
grimdark isn't a negative term, it's just a genre

[Anonymous No.17404275]

>>17404258
Give me examples of not trash.

[Anonymous No.17404282]

>>17404268
i know but all of the grimdark i'd read was edgy and boring.

[Anonymous No.17404285]

My brother is a giga normie who reads every trash fantasy book and loves them, he in general is super generous with his praise and has literally never seen a movie he hasn't liked. Any questions you guys want me to ask him?

[Anonymous No.17404292]

>>17404275
Mistborn
NK Jemisen
Rothfuss

[Anonymous No.17404294]

>>17404249
He seems alright. Brian Lee Durfee is a guy I've been watching for awhile. He has some plebbit taste but he's pretty entertaining. I should get around to reading his books.

[Anonymous No.17404293]

>>17404258
>>17404282

What I like about "grim dark" (which is a very dumb description to me, by the way) is the fact that nothing is off the table with regards to realistic human behavior.

Few /sff/ authors have the guts to describe humanity in a realistic light. No wonder there's so much shit in the genre. Just pick any decent history book and you will have a hell of an emotional ride with how heroic and evil we really are.

[Anonymous No.17404297]

>>17404268
I'm still not sure you understand what grimdark is, getting some esl vibes.

Maybe check this out, bakker writes about it a bit.

[Anonymous No.17404302]

>>17404292
He literally said "not trash".

[Anonymous No.17404303]

>>17404292
bait, or as we used to say, troll

>>17404297
meant for
>>17404282

[Anonymous No.17404309]

>>17397404
>the dread detritus

[Anonymous No.17404316]

>>17404285
>has literally never seen a movie he hasn't liked
?

[Anonymous No.17404318]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Miller

anyone read her stuff?

>In The Dominion Post, Morris noted that it reads "almost" as "fantasy satire"

[Anonymous No.17404326]

>>17404316
he's actually a pretty chad normie but yeah, he loves mcu, sanderson, trap music etc

[Anonymous No.17404335]

>>17404326
Well, that's embarrassing.
Even my sister thinks that Sanderson is trash.

[Anonymous No.17404336]

>>17404326
why would we have any interest in the opinion of a normie retard? begone.

[Anonymous No.17404337]

>>17404318
>a book in which religion and its adherents are portrayed in a fairly positive light. The Kallarapi ruler and his holy man aren't perfect by any means, but their belief system is never a basis for ridicule or villainy. They actually end up looking pretty good next to the opportunistic and ruthless Lional, who wants to use the Kallarapi religion for his own ends.

she might be based

[Anonymous No.17404341]

>>17404326
sanderson's stuff is basically the mcu of fantasy novels, so no surprise there's a lot of crossover appeal

[Anonymous No.17404345]

>>17404336
idk maybe you'd want to get an insight into the mind, he's a got a shadow of what was lost on the shelf.

[Anonymous No.17404361]

>tfw no skinny ultra autistic anasurimbor peach

[Anonymous No.17404365]

Is this actually good or does lit just jizz over it because it's less mainstream?

[Anonymous No.17404374]

>>17404365
Depends on how open minded you are. It's the most surrealistic type fantasy I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.17404388]

>>17404361
forgot how bad she is at fashion

>>17404365
bakker likes it

[Anonymous No.17404394]

>>17404282
>it's not grimdark because it's not boring
Lmao
I think you're mistaking grimderp for grimdark.

[Anonymous No.17404400]

>>17404365
it's good if you're a teenage boy

[Anonymous No.17404412]

>>17404388
all great artists like it

[Anonymous No.17404429]

Is Bakker paying you to shill his shitty books?

[Anonymous No.17404479]

>>17404292
9/10

[Anonymous No.17404497]

>>17404479
Is that cat woman?

[Anonymous No.17404515]

>>17404361
forgot how bad she is at fashion

>>17404365
bakker likes it, grmm likes it, anyone worth anything likes it

[Anonymous No.17404520]

>>17404412
i hate this disgusting fat pedo grifter, literally the amerimut, on an unrelated note I think he's jewish, he came from a wealthy family eitherway

[Anonymous No.17404532]

>>17404520
>I think he's jewish
what gave it away

[Anonymous No.17404551]

>>17404400
anon you're in the sff thread

[Anonymous No.17404642]

>>17404365
I'll put it to you this way: For the start of every book, the author lists some of his credentials and achievements. How he served in the military, what he wrote before, and a bit on the book you're currently reading.

For the first 3 books, he really hypes up the series. How it's a new fantasy vision. And so imaginative, and the scope is amazing, and blah-blah. I'm summarizing. But that's the gist.
But then in the third book, he finds a new angle to suck his own dick. And describes it as an underground masterpiece. he really leaded on the "underground" aspect. Meaning, in the first few books, he actually expected it to be something popular and groundbreaking. But then in the end, he realized he wasn't getting the sales and recognition.

So what you're getting with this book, is a failed fantasy author, who thought he was going to be big. And who /lit/ jizzes over because it's less mainstream.

[Anonymous No.17404657]

I don't like mainstream authors

[Anonymous No.17404677]

>>17404293
I think people like the realism of Grimdark, but they want it combined with the excitement of high fantasy.

Unfortunately, as soon as an author starts going super grimdark it sets the tone for the whole book and they are seldom able to inspire us with wonder.

[Anonymous No.17404789]

>>17404642
I have no idea what edition you have but I didn't read any such introductions. At any rate, only a pseud would pose that as a valid criticism.
This reeks of such shitty bait I'll just finish by saying a guy who sold his first story to a porn magazine and got to the point of being hailed as one of the greats is not a failed writer.

[Anonymous No.17404818]

>>17404642
>For the start of every book, the author lists some of his credentials and achievements. How he served in the military, what he wrote before, and a bit on the book you're currently reading.
I'm looking at my copies right now and can find nothing like this in them. What the actual fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.17404859]

>>17400236
no way is that what it was???? HOOOLLLLY SHIT. thats fucking wild

[Anonymous No.17404874]

>>17404818
>>17404789
Look for an "about the author" section. Might be in the back. I don't know.

This is one from the second book. Where it goes deeper into his credentials than what the first did.
https://voca.ro/14uXpiDXjDcL

[Anonymous No.17404943]

>>17404859
Yup.

That's why the No God only activated after his wife betrayed him and turned him over to the Consult.

[Anonymous No.17404977]

>>17404859
>Tell me....

[Anonymous No.17404988]

>>17403202
Ajokli is literally trapped on the mortal plane since he was manifesting in Cnaiur when the No God powered up.

He's basically an embodiment of rage and agony because he's stuck in a physical body. Manifesting in non-Topos areas hurts for Outside entities.

[Anonymous No.17405012]

>Also I was just thinking it would be an awesome ending if they finally destroy the no-god, wipe out the dunselt, and blow up the arc and everyone is just letting out a collective sigh of relief when a second fully functional arc shows up to figure out why Earwa still bears life. Doom.

[Anonymous No.17405041]

>>17404789
>>17404818
>>17404874
For good measure, this is the part in book four that mentions it having an "underground audience". It comes just before the about the author section. So I cut all that other stuff out.
https://voca.ro/17wsAhUNjhTv

Granted, I realize this was probably added at a later date. So it probably doesn't exist in whatever print copies you guys have. And it may not have been written by Gene Wolfe himself. But there's still something hilarious about Book of the New Sun being compared to Lord of the Rings in status, while simultaneously acknowledging it's "underground" success.

[Anonymous No.17405047]

>The Eye opens....
>Sees....

[Anonymous No.17405057]

given that bakker basically ripped off the crusades and became pretty popular I'm giving you guys a freeby.

Just adapt this, add a little more magic and change some of the boring bits, boom bestseller

[Anonymous No.17405176]

>>17405047
>tfw

[Anonymous No.17405177]

>>17405057
Dark Jesuit sorcery

[Anonymous No.17405186]

>>17399023
The Red Knight

[Anonymous No.17405203]

>>17405176
How does it feel to be the apex specimen of a 3000+ year breeding experiment originated by the Nonmen with the goal of engineering a soul capable of grasping the Absolute (Oblivion)?

[Anonymous No.17405209]

But what was Kellhus' tax policy?

[Anonymous No.17405227]

>>17399023
The snowflake chronicles.

[Anonymous No.17405240]

>>17403881
God I fucking loved those books as a kid. Fuck...

[Anonymous No.17405250]

>>17405227
Bruh
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56334504-the-snowflake-chronicles-volume-i

https://www.connorcourtpublishing.com.au/SNOWFLAKE-CHRONICLES-series_c_35.html

[Anonymous No.17405259]

Is there even any hope of being published today?

I want to embark upon a great project, I mean I probably will anyway just for fun, but it is demoralising to know that there is barely a pathway to success anymore.

[Anonymous No.17405267]

>>17405203
...and what did the absolute say?

[Anonymous No.17405277]

>>17405259
It mostly depends on you doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.17405278]

Holy shit. I just discovered S. M. Stirling wrote the /lit/ sequels to the Terminator movies.

[Anonymous No.17405296]

I've been the Year of Rogue Dragons series by Richard Byers. First thing I've read from the guy and so far it's pretty decent for D&D tie-in fiction.

honestly I just want more books with dragons as major characters

[Anonymous No.17405298]

>>17405209
massacre orthodox, take their stuff, rinse, repeat.

[Anonymous No.17405300]

>>17405277
thanks for the advice, you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.17405308]

>>17405300
what else you want me to say retard? if you're good and savvy you probably have a good shot of becoming successful, if not you don't

[Anonymous No.17405309]

>>17405209
paying for scranc scalps

[Anonymous No.17405312]

>>17405259
no, bakker only got published because he knew a friend who had some jew friends

[Anonymous No.17405315]

Starting Book of the new sun for the first time, any tips?

[Anonymous No.17405321]

>>17405315
take it slow

[Anonymous No.17405323]

>>17405315
just read the book you idiot, it ain't a construction project

[Anonymous No.17405347]

Surprised sffg is also reading malazan, been a great read so far but am blazing through it like a retard
>>17397659
lmao great meme

[Anonymous No.17405357]

>>17405323
Yeah but I'm hearing comparisons to Ulysses all the time and about need to reread.

[Anonymous No.17405382]

>>17404874
>>17405041
Lmao.
>the author lists some of his credentials and achievements
A) That voice is not the author's as you said
B) The "About" section is not redacted by the writer (why would he refer to himself in the third person). It's usually copyedited by the publisher for marketing purposes.
C) Stop "reading" audiobooks. Your critical thinking skills are quickly deteriorating.

[Anonymous No.17405384]

>>17405382
karen owned

[Anonymous No.17405430]

>>17405315
Enjoy the atmosphere. Don't go into it with retarded nonsense like "omg I don't like first person narratives" or "what's the point of what I'm reading". All this shit will be clarified eventually. Gaiman, as insufferable a cunt as he is, had it right: Trust the words. It's all in there.
Have a dictionary at hand if you can't get the meaning of the obscure words. Or download Lexicon Urthus which will simplify the process
>https://b-ok.cc/book/4123401/625487
You can also check the chapter summary companion book (forever thankful to the anon who uploaded it to the general). I'm not sure how much it spoils stuff, but probably not a whole lot.
>https://litter.catbox.moe/acu012.epub

[Anonymous No.17405454]

>>17405382
>A) That voice is not the author's as you said
Yeah, no shit. It's an audiobook. Author rarely read their own material. I never said the voice was the author's. I said he listed some credentials. As in, he typed them on paper, and then the narrator spoke them. Duh

>(why would he refer to himself in the third person)
Some people do that. Why wouldn't he refer to himself in the third person? It could be that he's just an egotistical guy. Or maybe he thought it sounded more authentic/humbled, is a third party wrote his credentials rather than himself.
Regardless, he must have given them his history to be included in this publication. Because they have information that would be hard to find. Or if they did find it all themselves, they would still need to run it by him to fact check. And so on some level, he did approve of this text being in the publication.

[Anonymous No.17405456]

>>17402586
Too late, you posted it.
>rent free

[Anonymous No.17405459]

>>17405454
Good lord, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.17405472]

>>17405454
tons of books have "about the author stuff" it's probably done mainly by the publisher/agent/whatever

[Anonymous No.17405478]

>>17405454
You do know that every book ever written has an about the author section right?

[Anonymous No.17405514]

>>17405472
Yeah, so?
So you're saying they NEVER ask the author what should be included in the about section? An author has NEVER written one themselves?
The publisher just happens to know the exact division he was in while in the military, and which badge he earned?

[Anonymous No.17405565]

>>17405514
maybe he told them what section wow what an egomaniac

[Anonymous No.17405598]

>>17405565
Pfff. Well at least I got a "maybe" out of you. That's about as much as I can hope for. A recognition of a possibility.
It's funny that one of you say audiobooks deteriorate my critical thinking. But you couldn't even bother to read my earlier post when I said that the words probably weren't even written by him. Yes, I initially pointed the blame on him in my first post. But then I later amended that by stating it probably wasn't him.

But does that matter to you? No. "Gotta epicly pwn Karen LMAO"

[Anonymous No.17405625]

>>17405598
You still haven't made your case as to why you think the books are bad, other than you think Gene Wolfe is a "failed fantasy author, who thought he was going to be big"

[Anonymous No.17405653]

>>17405625
I don't think the books are bad. They're just not as good as the amount of jizz /sffg/ spews over them.

[Anonymous No.17405874]

>>17404318
I've read two series by her. Kingmaker, Kingbreaker duology, and the Godspeaker trilogy. I liked both well enough, I've reread them both a few times.

[Anonymous No.17405885]

>>17404429
They are just genuinely autistic.

[Anonymous No.17405897]

>>17404365
I read the first book, never felt the urge to continue on with the rest. It very much read like something people read in order to say they read it. I've never once seen a conversation about this book on /lit/ that I wished I could contribute to because every single post in the chain was as dull as the book. A boring book for boring people.

[Anonymous No.17405907]

>>17405885
Bakker just seems like the latest meme author that /lit/ decided to obsess over because he's relatively obscure and everyone on 4chan is a born contrarian.

[Anonymous No.17405925]

>>17405907
There's always been a couple dedicated bakker shills on /lit/ who constantly shill his books, but the current deluge of shitty bakkerposting is mainly due to the immense butthurt sanderson's new book caused them, which is why it started in November last year when Sanderson's new book dropped. It's basically a handful of obsessed spergs deciding to turn /sffg/ into their personal bakker discord server out of sheer butthurt.

[Anonymous No.17405939]

>>17405925
This is news to me (haven't been on /lit/ in awhile). Did Stormlight Archive 4 rip off Bakker?

[Anonymous No.17405947]

>>17405907
i feel so seen right now

[Anonymous No.17405974]

>>17405939
no it was just bad

[Anonymous No.17406263]

>>17405907
>>17405925
>>17405939
I just ordered a copy of The Darkness That Came Before because /sffg/ said it was good. What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.17406404]

>>17406263
>What am I in for?
The slog of slogs, lad.

[Anonymous No.17406508]

>>17406263
>>17401147
Main character is a 123215214 IQ superhuman selectively bred to be super fast and strong, but more importantly than that he can read people's emotions and thoughts by looking at their face and seeing their muscles move, hence can manipulate everyone.

Other main characters are a crazy barbarian (bit like Karsa or Conan) and a really powerful sorceror who is kind of a cuck/simp. There's also a cool and likeable ISIS tier religious zealot, a somewhat anime style "muh kekakku" notbyzantine commander, and the notbyzantine emperor who is totally insane and great fun to read.

3 female characters of note, one is an exwhore, one is a slut and one is the emperors mom who molested him when he was a kid but he kind of liked it.

Basic plot is the notChristians (who are kind of muslim) launch a crusade against the notmuslims in the middle east, 213215215 IQ superhuman is sent on a mission by his people to kill his dad who went rogue, he joins up with barbarian man who was seduced by superhumans dad and turned into a faggot and went insane because of it. Superhuman man slowly takes control of the crusade, all the other characters are involved somehow.

AND

thousands of years ago aliens from another planet landed. Their mission? Reduce the number of people on earth to below 144k so that heaven and hell would be deactived, they were all super evil and didn't want to go to hell, they created the nogod with their superpowerful science, a creature that made all children born after its creation stillborn, mankind fought this group of aliens (who have not elf and human allies) and basically got lucky and defeated them. Cuck sorceror is part of an organisation (the mandate) whose job is to keep an eye out for the return of these evil organisation (called the consult), everoyne kind of thinks the consult is a myth or long ceased to exist though. Spoiler alert, they haven't and have been planning in secret for millenia to revive the nogod, they have super advanced tech they barely understand anymore thanks to degeneration and have huge armies of evil crazy rapist orcs and ogres.

It's based and grimdark and epic fantasy, sorry for the kind of reddit summary but that's the basic idea, there's lots of people getting raped and shit and it's pretty hardcore, also the prose is great and the names are foreign and weird so prepare yourself for that.

[Anonymous No.17406520]

>>17406508
this might be the longest post i've seen in this general for months, nice effort.

[Anonymous No.17406536]

>>17406508
Best primer for a re-read I could probably ever hope to find. Thanks friend.

[Anonymous No.17406554]

Why are you kids still reading genre trash? Go read Dostoyevsky and get out of this safe space

[Anonymous No.17406558]

>>17406520
It isn't by any means. You probably look at the threads once a month.

[Anonymous No.17406576]

>>17406554
I'm reading a history on 20th century Africa, actually, but will go back to fantasy when I'm done

[Anonymous No.17406591]

>>17406554
>>17406576
Literary fiction kiddies will always have to cope with the fact that, at the end of the day, they're still reading fiction and not actual intellectual things like history and philosophy

[Anonymous No.17406620]

>>17406554
>le fake christian melodrama man

nah

[Anonymous No.17406633]

>>17406620
>>le fake christian
I think you're confusing him with Tolstoy

[Anonymous No.17406660]

>>17406554
I have read Dosteovsky, Tolstoy and many other of your precious nineteenth century hacks. I prefer the fantastical strain evident since before Ovid and presenting itself in imaginative works throughout history like the Bible, the Sagas and the Kalevala, Paradise Lost, the Inferno, Voltaire, Baudelaire, and up through the symbolists, surrealists, Tolkien and all the genre greats until the present day

I don’t mind reading about characters’ mundane troubles as they sit in rooms, regretting their choices. I simply prefer stories with magical beings, godlike powers, where the fate of the soul and the world hang in the balance. So what I like literary fantasy and find it more
captivating than ponderous historic realism. I don’t read any lowbrow genreshit btw.

[Anonymous No.17406674]

>>17396809
she honestly sucks as a writer

[Anonymous No.17406675]

Bros, does it ever get better than Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

[Anonymous No.17406679]

>>17406633
he's a faker for sure, I was under the impression the dostoyevsky was basically a larper, he wanted to believe but couldn't really brnig himself to?

[Anonymous No.17406685]

>>17406675
Don't make me say it

[Anonymous No.17406690]

>>17406679
Nah. Dostoyevsky started as a skeptic liberal but became more pious as he got older. Basically the reverse Victor Hugo.

[Anonymous No.17406703]

>How many were memed that day? How many?

[Anonymous No.17406712]

>>17406685
Say what? I actually don't know.

[Anonymous No.17406730]

>>17406712
reddit

[Anonymous No.17406769]

>>17406730
So what? It's still god-tier.

[Anonymous No.17406822]

>>17406508
>123215214 IQ
Not exactly. Bakker said in an interview Kellhus is “ten, maybe eleven times smarter than me.” Assuming Bakker at 150, that puts Kell at 1500-1650 IQ.
>Pardon my autism and carry on.

[Anonymous No.17406964]

>>17406822
isn't iq exponential though?

[Anonymous No.17407005]

>>17403873
>non asshole characters: Esmenet
are you joking?

[Anonymous No.17407129]

>>17407005
No. What did she do wrong exactly, cuck achamian when she thought he was dead?

[Anonymous No.17407136]

>>17407129
Did you read the second series?

[Anonymous No.17407191]

>>17407136
she was stupid not an asshole

[Anonymous No.17407196]

>>17407191
man what's with all these based speed readers in this general, she realised multiple times that her actions were dickish but went through through with them anyway

[Anonymous No.17407239]

>>17407196
What exactly am I missing? I recall being pissed off at her for being a retard but as far as she knows based on what kelmomas tells her maithanet just assasinated kelmomas, she was being an irrational retard more than an asshole.

Does she massacre some heckin citizenarinos and I'm forgetting or something? I guess there's her btofing mimaras city so yeah I guess she is an asshole, not in the first series though.

[Anonymous No.17407255]

>>17407239
>I guess she is an asshole
told you
also i wouldnt say proyas is an asshole you do have to look at his upbringing and the one time he finds himself almost slaughtering citizens and liking it he feels fucking awful about it and doesnt actually do it, we dont know what exactly happened between the books though and he was said to be quite the extremist

[Anonymous No.17407267]

>>17407255
Proyas is one of my favorite characters but he was basically a YEAH KILL EM amerimutt, even cucked out and went along with killing kellhus. He was also a pretty smug cunt to achamian a lot of the time, at least early in the books.

[Anonymous No.17407298]

>>17405925
You are delusional, Sandersoy. Bakker has been chilled here for years. I've never even touched a Sanderson book after I read Shitborne.

How long have you even been around? I don't remember seeing this much seetheposting before.

[Anonymous No.17407301]

>>17404365
read it and find out

[Anonymous No.17407335]

>>17407331

>>17407331

>>17407331