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Why the FUCK would anyone want to stop existing as opposed to living in eternal bliss?

>> No.17384015

>>17384006
there is no bliss without suffering so there is no such thing as eternal bliss

>> No.17384020

Eternal bliss exists only bevause pain exists. Nonexistence avoids that whole quandry entirely.

>> No.17384023

>>17384015
Wrong, the Buddha lives and he lives in eternal bliss.

As someone who has been gifted enough by the Gods, to understand the Eastern experiences, it is a constant state of;- resignation? Yes, but blissful recognition through nihilation. It is, affirmative, by itself.

>> No.17384076

>>17384023
>>Wrong, the Buddha lives and he lives in eternal bliss.
not according to the buddha

>> No.17384084

>>17384076
Actually you can talk to him write now, just dial up Enlightenment and you can see for yourself. Oh wait, you can't become divine and talk to the divine personage yourself? Wow pretty embarrassing bro.

>> No.17384097

>>17384084
You can talk to angels with magick, and that’s fine enough by me

>> No.17384102

>>17384097
No, I've talked to the Buddha himself. Here I've got him on the phone, ask him anything you like:

>> No.17384112

>>17384102
Are you friends with Jesus like in that anime?

>> No.17384128

>>17384112
First you have to ask yourself, do I even know who Jesus is? Why would I be friends with Jesus, and am I the same person as Jesus?

>> No.17384180

>>17384128
Do you consider yourself to be in the highest state?

>> No.17384194

>>17384180
Of a mortal, yes.

>> No.17384351

>>17384006
The ENTIRETY of Asian philosophy and religion is just coping with the fact that their countries have one supreme leader and that the individuals's voices cannot be heard, that they are roaches. An extremely pathetic slavelike mentality.
BUT to appear deep to the legends of the west they heard so much about, they chuck a short parable about a frog and a king here or there which makes easily impressionable 20 year old autists in absolute awe "I am just like him....."
Hope it helps you my man, will gladly answer any other questions if you have them.

>> No.17384378

>>17384015
Nirvana is described as eternal bliss in the Pali canon.
>>17384006
>>17384020
Nirvana is not nonexistence. That too is said explicitly in the Pali canon.

>> No.17384568

>>17384351
That's entirely wrong.

>> No.17384626

>>17384568
>responding to obvious bait

>> No.17384633

>>17384568
Yeah LMAO the tao perceived is not the eternal tao, that which you seek is that which you have not found, to be in the tao one must be of the tao, a king and a parrot talked, yet only a mirror remained UAAAAAH advaitic vedanta is so profound, man I gotta read up on my one liners from The Dhammapadas broooooo

>> No.17384702

>he's so assblasted he can't contain his spergout to a single thread
Embarrassing!

>> No.17384905

>>17384006
you do it every day going to sleep, imbecile

>> No.17384931

>>17384015
Ok, maybe there is no eternal bliss, but even if there wasn't, I'd rather live an eternal life like the pne I'm living (which includes some suffering but not too much) than stop existing. I assume that the vast majority of people in history would agree with me.
So, could you (or anyone else) explain to me why to buddhists non-existence is preferable to tolerable eternal existence?

>> No.17384952

>>17384931
You're basing your reasoning on a false assumption, see >>17384378

>> No.17384977

>>17384905
based

>> No.17384993

>>17384952
My bad

>> No.17385074

>>17384931
I like the idea of not feeling anything, having no needs, responsibilities, feelings, senses nor thoughts. Would call it eternal peace but you won't feel peace bc you don't exist on the first place

>> No.17385162

>>17384351
i love how a bugman atheist cant stop thinking about history and about what people thru the lens of politics. I love also how atheists thinks the buddha gave a shit about politics.

>> No.17385748

Nirvana isn't non-existence, and it is eternal bliss.

>> No.17385776

>>17385748
I don't think the people who ask these questions actually care what Nirvana is.

>> No.17385802

Life is not suffering. Life is dukkha, agitation, moving for the sake of moving, etc.

>> No.17385814

>>17385802
faggot

>> No.17385820

>>17385814
I'm just telling you what the Buddha really said.

>> No.17385832

>>17385802
>>17385820
What the Buddha really, actually said, is "this is pain".
Everything else (like "life is only suffering" or even "life is inherently unsatisfying") is an extrapolation. The first noble truth is idam dukkham and nothing more.

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>>17384006

> "Lastly, the Buddhistic assumption that the extinction of that consciousness is the highest end of human life, is untenable, for there is no recipient of results. For a person who has got a thorn stuck into him, the relief of the pain caused by it is the result (he seeks); but if he dies, we do not find any recipient of the resulting cessation of pain. Similarly I if consciousness is altogether extinct and there is nobody to reap that benefit, to talk of it as the highest end of human life is meaningless. If that very entity or self, designated by the word 'person' -Consciousness, according to you-whose well-being is meant, is extinct, for whose sake will the highest end be? But those who believe in a self different from consciousness and witnessing many objects, will find it easy to explain all phenomena such as the remembrance of things previously seen and the contact and cessation of pain-the impurity, for instance, being ascribed to contact with extraneous things, and the purification to dissociation from them."

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>>17385860
I would be careful about reading Advaita Vedanta interpretations such as Shankara's as a commentary to the Upanishads, they are extremely reliant on Buddhist philosophy (Shankara is called a "cryptobuddhist" by most Hindus, and most scholars agree). If you want to read the Upanishads, work through them with editions and commentaries that aren't sectarian, or at least read an interpretation that is closer to the original meaning of the Upanishads, rather than Shankara's 9th century AD quasi-buddhism.

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>>17385867
never change anon

>> No.17386236

>>17385860
>Lastly, the Buddhistic assumption that the extinction of that consciousness is the highest end of human life, is untenable, for there is no recipient of results
Get a load of this puthujhana, clearly grasping self.

>>17384023
>>17384378
>>17384952
>>17384931
>>17385748
>I have heard that on one occasion Ven. Sariputta was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels' Feeding Sanctuary. There he said to the monks, "This Unbinding is pleasant, friends. This Unbinding is pleasant."
>When this was said, Ven. Udayin said to Ven. Sariputta, "But what is the pleasure here, my friend, where there is nothing felt?"
>"Just that is the pleasure here, my friend: where there is nothing felt.
AN 9.34

>The idea of nibbāna as the ultimate goal of human endeavour will no doubt strike the common man, innocently enjoying the pleasures of his senses, as a singularly discouraging notion if he is told that it is no more than 'cessation of being'. (...) even a thoughtful man may like to expect something a little more positive than 'mere extinction' as the summum bonum. We shrink before the idea that our existence, with its anguishes and its extasies, is wholly gratuitous, and we are repelled by the suggestion that we should be better off without it; and it is only natural that the puthujjana should look for a formula to save something from (as he imagines) the shipwreck.
Nanavira Thera

>> No.17386462

I think you are mistaken OP. Nirvana is extinction of birth and death, but it is not an end to existence, as Nirvana transcends all boundaries and conceptions. The Buddha stated that it is free from the Three Marks of Impermanence, Not-Self, and Dukkha. It isn't similar to the atheistic physical death of the body.

>> No.17386657

>>17384931
>I'd rather live an eternal life
rat mentality