/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17378618]

What are some.books about veganism?

[Anonymous No.17378654]

Pigs wouldn't hesitate to consume your dead body so why should I feel guilty for enjoying bacon?

[Anonymous No.17378666]

>NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN PIGERINO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.17378896]

>>17378618
Bronze age mindset

[Anonymous No.17378932]

>>17378896
what about gorillas though

[Anonymous No.17378961]

>>17378932
Their diet depends on the habitat, but they eat insects, mostly termites and ants.

[Anonymous No.17379063]

>>17378932
Though his picture isn't wrong, the reason primates have front eyes despite mostly being mostly frugivores is that its natural predator was snakes and its habitats jungles and trees, so the attack isn't coming from the side but from the ground or that branch that happens to be a snake.
This is also the reason we and other primates have good color vision, to distinguish snakes from fruit and plants.

[Anonymous No.17379139]

>>17378961
Just like humans will be soon

[Anonymous No.17379162]

>>17379139
They already do, when you're poor you can't afford to be picky, and so for example ants are a delicacy in some places.

[Anonymous No.17379299]

>>17379063
no the picture is a brain dead meme

[Anonymous No.17379338]

>>17378654
yeah really sticking it to those pigs faggot lol

>>17378666
noooo not the heckin peoplerinos

[Anonymous No.17379901]

>>17379299
Cope

[Anonymous No.17379910]

>>17379139
Had an insect burger once

Was pretty delicious. I'm an omnivore, i'll try almost everything.

[Anonymous No.17379952]

Don't know why people whine like children when they are told to stop eating animals

[Anonymous No.17379959]

>>17379952
years of archonic programming

[Anonymous No.17379982]

>>17379952
Because animals are delicious and it makes life more exciting to eat delicious things

You can't expect people not to react

[Anonymous No.17380009]

>>17379982
People eat animals because of npc programing. That is it. There are plenty of delicious non-animal stuff to eat. Why don't westerners eat their dogs/cats? Why don't people eat humans too? I am sure they are delicious.

[Anonymous No.17380033]

>>17380009
>There are plenty of delicious non-animal stuff to eat

Yes. One doesn't exclude the other. You should eat what you think is delicious.

>Why don't westerners eat their dogs/cats?
I'm not against that at all

>Why don't people eat humans too?
Because it's illegal to kill other people. If you refer to people already dead, personally i wouldn't think it wrong to eat the deceased if the deceased had given permission to do so. I wouldn't personally like to try human meat though.

[Anonymous No.17380044]

>>17380009
>delicious non animal stuff
Hardy anyone eats only meat anon.
>dogs and cats
Dogs and cats are carnivores. The complaint you probably make about the inefficiency of herbivore farm animals is exponentially worst for carnivores.
>humans
Same as above. Also prions. Also some people do eat people. Cannibal tribes still exist afaik.

[Anonymous No.17380076]

>>17380033
>I'm not against that at all
Doesn't matter what you think. Most westerners are disgusted by that idea even though they might be as "delicious" as any other meat. So it goes to show that people don't merely eat meat because it is "delicious." It is more so npc programming/habit.
>Because it's illegal to kill other people
Legality is irrelevant. The fact is the majority of people are disgusted by the idea of eating another person and would find it "morally wrong." There have been cultures around the world that have eaten dead bodies before as a form of mourning (or something). It just goes to show it is more ideological and cultural/habitual if anything.
There is no reason that is not ideological to value human life over animal life.

[Anonymous No.17380106]

>>17380076
>Legality is irrelevant
It most certainly is not.

Alright i'm off to bed, i don't really want to spend my night discussing something so trivial with someone so frustrated and confused. I'm currently reading Thucydides, and I want to finish book one before bed time. See ya.

[Anonymous No.17380115]

“Triviality is evil - triviality, that is, in the form of consciousness and mind that adapts itself to the world as it is, that obeys the principle of inertia. And this principle of inertia truly is what is radically evil.”

“Evil comes from a failure to think. It defies thought for as soon as thought tries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises and principles from which it originates, it is frustrated because it finds nothing there. That is the banality of evil.”

[Anonymous No.17380121]

>>17380106
Nice cope. "Something so trivial." Billions of animals being slaughtered is trivial huh. Npc programming at its finest.

[Anonymous No.17380122]

>>17379982
>because it feels good when my ass gets fucked and it makes life more exciting to get fucked in the ass
>you can't expect me to not call you homophobic

lmao. you were born this way huh?

[Anonymous No.17380128]

>>17380115
God Adorno was so based in so many ways. Where's this from again?

[Anonymous No.17380132]

>>17379959
based schizo

[Anonymous No.17380135]

>>17380128
his lectures on metaphysics

[Anonymous No.17380144]

>>17380121
Goodnight, and stay sunny friendo.

[Anonymous No.17380146]

>>17380135
which lecture exactly? already got a copy.

[Anonymous No.17380170]

>>17380146
lecture 15

[Anonymous No.17380179]

>>17380170
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.17380202]

>>17378618
If we weren't supposed to eat meat, it wouldn't be so easily digestible and so beneficial to the body. And it also wouldn't taste so good.

This is irrefutable.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » oI3er5KKetj No.17380220]

>>17378618
No point in being Vegan since you still kill animals
What do you think happens to all the animals that get pushed from their habitats so that we can make farms? What happens to animals that wander into farmland? Not to mention all the pesticides that kill even more animals just so that you can eat some onions beans

If you want to go further, living in a man made building is stealing animal habitats, everything that you consume is made by factories that kill animals and pollute the planet

Veganism is a cope to feel better about yourself while being ignorant of the actual cause. Its a spook, self contradictory lifestyle

[Anonymous No.17380234]

>>17380202
>if we weren't supposed to get fucked in the ass, it wouldn't feel so good

lmao every time

[Anonymous No.17380239]

>>17380009
>Why don't people eat humans too? I am sure they are delicious.

That's cannibalism. We have biological reactions which prevent us from committing cannibalism. When you smell burning human flesh, it has a very distinct smell and it is awful. That is your body telling you something is wrong.

[Anonymous No.17380243]

>>17378654
wonder if starving pigs would actually kill a human for food

[Anonymous No.17380248]

>>17378618
https://magnusvinding.com/home/

[Anonymous No.17380254]

>>17380234
Except there's a benefit to eating

[Anonymous No.17380257]

>>17378618
Not a book, but Brian Tomasik's Essays on Reducing Suffering are worth reading.

https://reducing-suffering.org/

[Anonymous No.17380260]

>>17378618
Veganism is not a sustainable or natural way of life. If it weren't for modern conveniences such as large-scale plantations, exploited and cheap labor, and massive shipping companies, the majority of the world population would not be able to sustain itself on a purely plant based diet, and certainly wouldn't be able to avoid the many other uses that animals provide.

[Anonymous No.17380261]

>>17380248
>The author

Kekkity koo

[Anonymous No.17380272]

>>17380254
letting your bf fuck you in the ass is beneficial to your relationship.

[Anonymous No.17380278]

>>17380257
I don't think I've ever seen something so pseudoscientific in my life.

[Anonymous No.17380286]

>>17380202
high meat intake is bad for your body. meat is the number one type of food that makes you unhealthy and kills. we don't need to eat meat and this is objectively true. disputing this is just npc programming and ideology. millions of people live fine by not eating meat.
>>17380220
ah yes by not slaughtering billions of animals every year we are somehow killing more animals. peak npc cope. we have selectively bred these animals to be in a population of the billions only to slaughter them every year. obviously there population will shrink but their cycle of slaughter will end.
the entire point of veganism is being pragmatic. ending animal consumption would be a huge step forward. you are just giving strawman arguments to justify your own laziness and npc programming.
>>17380239
And yet cannibalism has existed through history and cultures

[Anonymous No.17380297]

>>17380286
>ah yes by not slaughtering billions of animals every year we are somehow killing more animals. peak npc cope.

nice, glad when cunts get called out on this point

[Anonymous No.17380302]

>>17380286
Every vegan I have met looked pale, sickly and weak

[Anonymous No.17380304]

>>17380260
You don't make any sense at all. All those modern conveniences are what allow you your meat intake as well. Most people in the past ate more plants and meat was for the privledged. Veganism is perfectly sustainable and technology is the way forward.

[Anonymous No.17380313]

>>17380302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kPX7cirNU

[Anonymous No.17380317]

>>17380106
Fag

[Anonymous No.17380324]

>>17380304
>technology is the way forward.

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.17380352]

>>17380009
>you can't eat beef because people don't eat cat

The logic is impenetrable

[Anonymous No.17380363]

>>17380352
not what i said. he said people eat meat because it is delicious. i said that is not merely the reason. the reason is more so habit and ideology.

[Anonymous No.17380368]

>>17380363
>the reason is more so habit and ideology

Maybe the habit comes because they taste good

[Anonymous No.17380377]

>>17380368
and yet people distinguish between what animals to eat and not eat even though the ones they don't eat might be also delicious.

[Anonymous No.17380379]

>>17380368
yo ask me how i know you've never eaten goat off the spit in a village somewhere. tastes nothing like a big mac you fat fuck. rope yourself urboid

[Anonymous No.17380388]

>>17380377
So what? How is that an argument for not eating beef?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » oI3er5KKetj No.17380399]

>>17380286
>ah yes by not slaughtering billions of animals every year we are somehow killing more animals. peak npc cope
Didn't claim that we weren't killing more, just that its impossible to avoid killing them. Also if i were you i wouldn't call others "Npc", since calling for "pragmatism" in not Killing animals but ignoring habitat destruction, the ever growing need for food production expansion and not to mention the horrible ways vegetables are harvested and how crop growth impacts the planet
"Hurr less animals murdered" but increasment in slave labour, more expensive food products and more pollution is somehow "the pragmatic" thing to do.

Fuck that, its a marvel what humans did with animal husbandry, and its another great marvel that meat isn't just the rich person's food and that everyone can buy it. There is inherently nothing wrong with killing the animals and use them for food, regardless of your idiot copes like "bbbut they are suffering, eating plants is less cruel", "we are rational beings and we can choose today what we eat". Eat shit that is, since humanity wouldn't improve by completely switching towards veganism, that cow that would end up as a burger wouldn't know the difference, only your poor underfed labrador would notice

[Anonymous No.17380413]

>>17380304
Alright then fella. Let's have two people go up to the North Country and attempt to start a homestead. Neither are allowed to use electricity.

Mr Vegan can only eat plants, so he must start farming. And he can only farm plants, no eggs, no milk. He must figure out how to clothe himself without using animal pelts or wool. He must figure out how to tend to his fields without manure or plow-animals.

Mr Meat is allowed to hunt and farm. Mr Meat doesn't just have to farm plants. Mr Meat can have a couple hens to provide him with eggs and a cock to provide more hens. Mr Meat can have a goat or cow to provide milk, and subsequently other dairy products. Mr Meat can use a horse to plow his fields and manure from his cow for fertilizer. Mr Meat can have a couple sheep which he can shear wool from for clothing. Mr Meat can go hunting for white-tails which not only provide food, but also hides which clothing and boots can be made from.

Now tell me. Which man is going to be better off?

[Anonymous No.17380421]

>>17380363
The reason is food production, and how much you place into that production. You need less work and less hours to tend towards animals than to grow crops, not to mention that crops don't give as much calories that we can use and that crops go stale/don't grow through the whole year. There is also a reason why the pastoral indoaryans expanded that rapidly, better calorie intake and the constant struggle between pastoral lands caused by transhumance pastoralism

[Anonymous No.17380425]

>>17380377
We've distinguished what animals to eat and not eat over time by eating them in the past and deciding which animals:
A) Taste better
B) Yield more and higher quality meat

This shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

[Anonymous No.17380442]

>>17380377
One of the reasons why selective breeding is a thing for sure isn't "this cow tasted delicious" but "this cow has more muscles and fat"
If "deliciousness" was a thing, nobody in the middle ages would eat what they ate, disgusting and tasteless mashed shit
You eat what is cheaper and easier to produce, whst gives you more food and what can be used as food through the whole year, and guess what? Farming isn't as efficient, gives less calories and is costly

[Anonymous No.17380454]

>>17380399
>growing need for food production expansion and not to mention the horrible ways vegetables are harvested and how crop growth impacts the planet

you realize that animals eat many more crops to get the body mass to feed humans the same amount of a plant requiring far less, right?
we could live in a forest gardeny utopia right now, if we started focusing on a vegan environmental diet 100 years ago, instead of going industrialist-capitalist-carnivorist consumer hellhole.

[Anonymous No.17380462]

>>17378618
Impeachment of Man
>>17380009
yeah, veganism triggers the filthy hedonistic masses

[Anonymous No.17380472]

>>17380278
Why do you think it's pseudoscientific?

[Anonymous No.17380522]

>>17380454
>you realize that animals eat many more crops to get the body mass to feed humans the same amount of a plant requiring far less, right?

A cow has like 3 stomaches designed to get as much nutrients from plants that our body can take and would just shit out. That's the prime reason animal husbandry and pastoralism is a thing.

>we could live in a forest gardeny utopia right now, if we started focusing on a vegan environmental diet 100 years ago, instead of going industrialist-capitalist-carnivorist consumer hellhole.
You can't have a garden in a forest, the first farmers in europe used to burn down forests to make fertile land for crops. Not to mention that "100 years" ago is still over 6000 years of animal husbandry. And i wouldn't call that an utopia, farming takes much more time than having an animals eat grass around, imagine spending all day toiling on some soil breaking the ground with a hoe an utopia but sitting under a tree reading a book while your animals fuck around a dystopia

[Anonymous No.17380540]

>>17380462
I have never met a vegan that is a farmer, almost all vegans are leeches that buy products someone else produced for them yet claim that their way is superior

[Anonymous No.17380555]

Read literally any Eastern religious text. Buddhist Daoist, Jainist, Yogic traditions, etc. all universally espouse these type of dietary restrictions.

[Anonymous No.17380578]

>>17380540
I am vegan and grow my own vegetables but I hear you. I am not a fan of all the fake shit in stores, that's just pseudo weekend vegetarian bait anyways and your statement goes for all humans in general - meat fast food is still a big industry

[Anonymous No.17380591]

>>17379952
Because you are asking them to malnourish and kill themselves and their children. Veganism is a Satanic anti-life diet

[Anonymous No.17380603]

>>17380591
>God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food". And it was so.
God's initial creation was a vegan creation, God permitted humans to eat non-human animals as a concession to the Fallen state of humanity.

[Anonymous No.17380607]

>>17380591
>the diet that doesn't feed on corpses is satanic

you are a diaper shitting NPC

[Anonymous No.17380618]

>>17380522
> A cow has like 3 stomaches designed
cow industry 164 m2 pr year vs tofu 2.2, the argument just isn't there anon. and then we have the coming water crisis. whereas cows require 17000 m3 of water pr ton, basedbeans require 1300 and potatoes 130.
there are no arguments anon. other than the ones you keep pulling out your ass.

>>17378618
Robert Hart for more on forest gardens, the alternative way to plant agriculture and a positive argument for vegan diets.

[Anonymous No.17380732]

Everyday is a new holocaust perpetrated on innocent chickens, pigs and cows. These animals are slaughtered in the billions because of you species supremacist nazis.
Entire families are wipe off the face of the earth and whole species are genocided cause "lol, wtf I'm not gonna eat fucking veggies bro." I hope you all die gruesome deaths.

[Anonymous No.17380795]

>>17380603
>>17380607
Perfect mindset for the government, which is now promoting veganism AKA an unnatural starvation diet in the name of a false, unhealthy compassion. The real truth is that humans should be eating raw animal products from healthy animals, but almost no one in society has actually done this - most are completely ignorant of how eating raw animal fat can make you feel naturally satiated, good, and joyful.

Any vegan I've ever met has been obviously miserable, but I can tell they would be hard pressed to admit that about themselves because of how hard they hold onto their diet trying to be "good". They want to prove something to themselves because of their deep self-hatred. I don't feel I need to prove anything because I love myself and accept myself. I wish you could feel this same way.

[Anonymous No.17380922]

>>17380795
they are probably miserable because they have to be around you lol

[Anonymous No.17381610]

>>17378618
Fat of the Land

[Anonymous No.17381626]

>>17378654
I don't feel guilty for enjoying bacon but I still love piglets

[Anonymous No.17381773]

>>17380261
t.

[Anonymous No.17381999]

I will never cease to be annoyed at the simultaneous stupidity and self-righteousness of vegans and antinatalists, negative utilitarianism with disregard for complexity and meaning (So all of it) is such a fucking retarded ideology, holy fucking shit.
I just killed an infestation of maggots in my house a couple days back, and bugs can feel pain, just as much as humans, likely even
Boo fucking hoo, a bunch of primitive, retarded and abysmally simple beings have ceased their borderline mindless existences, but i should feel bad because they felt pain, and pain and pleasure, but ESPECIALLY pain, is all that matters, boo fucking hoo.

Unironically you are too retarded for philosophy if you can't see the inherent problems in treating all beings which feel pain as existing in the same plane of moral value based on their ability to feel pain alone, by that metric do you know how much negative utility you've accumulated just from accidentally stepping on ants but not hard enough for them to die alone, you grandstanding bitch? (Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/insects-can-experience-chronic-pain-study-finds-180972656/#:~:text=Over%2015%20years%20ago%2C%20researchers,way%20humans%20react%20to%20pain.)

How about you never walk again, or just flatout kill yourself, to not hurt those poor things capable of suffering, oh high and mighty knight of justice? It's not like your utility balance will ever be positive, if you even think positive utility exists. Oh yeah, what about the plausible possibility that plants feel pain too? (Source:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7773333/Plants-emit-ultrasonic-scream-stems-cut-water-short-supply.html#:~:text=Plants%20feel%20pain%20too!,species%20are%20not%20watered%20enough&text=A%20team%20of%20scientists%20at,when%20they%20undergo%20environmental%20stress.)

They certainly display mechanisms eerily similar to pain, and it's not like we can analyze consciousness from the outside to disprove these EERILY similar mechanisms don't induce pain! Oh no, eating plants has a realistic chance of being evil! That would mean even veganism is evil! Suffering, noooo! I'm so SAD and EMPATHETIC!

You're all so retarded and virtue signalling cringelords it gives me a headache. Fuck negative utilitarianism and subsequently antinatalism, fuck. I also hate how you think everyone who isn't a pessimistic bitch is mentally ill/delusional, like you're not the ones following the edgy nihilist BS that a fly has the same value as a person.

And if you reply to only part of this post to try to cherrypick and strawman, fuck you, i'm just going to completely ignore your bait/strawmanning.

[Anonymous No.17382008]

>>17381999
le tired frog man. cringe

[Anonymous No.17382037]

>>17381999
"OMG so what if I am a pedophile? Stop trying to be morally superior to me!"
"OMG so what if I gassed those people?.Stop trying to be morally superior to me!"
"OMG so what if I am a rapist? Stop trying to be morally superior to me!"
This is what you sound like. Anti-vegans are literal children.

[Anonymous No.17382042]

>>17381999
you just don't have the balls to accept the world is evil. people who habitually shrink away from consciousness of this fact betray a weak feminine soul.

[Anonymous No.17382075]

>>17382037
>>17382042
> no refutation to the fact all the pain you cause by existing, if your view is correct, makes it your obligation to kill yourself

>you just don't have the balls to accept the world is evil. people who habitually shrink away from consciousness of this fact betray a weak feminine soul.
That's ironic considering you don't have the balls or "masculine soul" to fulfill your ideology's moral imperative and kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17382107]

>>17382075
actually my ideology's moral imperative is to curbstomp bootlicking little faggots like you

[Anonymous No.17382110]

>>17382037
>Doing this is wrong, believe me
>I dont think doing this is wrong
>Why are you a literal child

[Anonymous No.17382117]

>>17382107
>actually my ideology's moral imperative is to curbstomp bootlicking little faggots like you

> tries to retort arguments with insults inbetween with flatout ad hominem
You're either baiting or not worth discussing with, discarded

[Anonymous No.17382120]

>>17382110
collaborating with radical evil for tendies is wrong

[Anonymous No.17382141]

>>17382120
well, that all depends on what your moral system is. Without firm agreement on precedence its always going to be talking in one ear and out the other for both sides.

But I think their is a core teleological disconnect in values that just makes people see what they want to see. And I think a lot of it is implicit, so that one side just assumes that the other is coping while visa versa is also the case.

[Anonymous No.17382143]

>>17382117
you don't know what ad hominem is. american, 21 - 25.

[Anonymous No.17382160]

>>17382141
nah one side has no illusions about the evil they participate in, and the other does. i've never read a carni argument that didn't sound like an addict's rationalizations.

[Anonymous No.17382182]

>>17382160
You don't realize you're engaging in the exact self-centered teleological disconnect i outlined

[Anonymous No.17382192]

>>17382160
And I have never heard a vegan who didnt sound like a myopic ideologue with a mind parasite.

See what I mean? complete implicit disconnect.

[Anonymous No.17382206]

>>17382182
no, you don't realize i just said there is no teleological disconnect. one side is ignorant, the other isn't. one side represses, the other acknowledges. not all ideologies occupy the same plane of contention. accept it

[Anonymous No.17382214]

>>17382192
what do I care? there are articulate pedophiles. bataille is articulate, so was panzram. they're still scum sucking trash. philosophy is still just a language game to you.

[Anonymous No.17382220]

>>17382042
Summarizing the world as evil is the most fucking ballsless thing a man could do.
It tells me you're a lazy fucking piece of shit who has likely never done a good thing for anyone ever in your life and that you're an extremely weak-minded person who's likely weak physically too.
The most exercise you get is the six or seven times you yank your horn on any given day.
Fuck your so soft, a stiff breeze could knock you down.
You claim the world's evil but you're too soft to do a goddamn thing about it.
I'd offer you some cheese to go with your whine, but you're to self-righteous to eat it and to selfish to share it with those who are hungry.

[Anonymous No.17382239]

>>17382220
more effete psychoanalyzing. bro are we on the set of sex and the city? kek. nice one boomer joe. 7/10

[Anonymous No.17382261]

>>17382220
>but you're too soft to do a goddamn thing about it.
What do you think you can do about it lmao? You can make your little section of the world a bit less evil, that's it, and you are yourself flawed, you have evil in you too, so you can't even do that all the time.

[Anonymous No.17382262]

>>17382214
>philosophy is still just a language game to you.
Yah, and so is veganism and non-veganism to most people. Just like people spew pictures of cute animals to get peoples dopine flowing.
>>17382206
Im sorry, but I have a hard time accepting that the consumption of meat, a very much physical process, Is teleologically and absolutely evil.
Maybe if you have some arbitrary idea of lessening universal bodily suffering, but then that is a stance of purpose (a rather vague on at that) rather than it translating directly to veganism. Even if I had that stance (Which i personally find very myopic) I wouldnt call myself a vegan, since the act of eating meat would not be evil, but the process in which the suffering itself occurs would be.

[Anonymous No.17382279]

>>17382262
>Im sorry, but I have a hard time accepting that the consumption of meat, a very much physical process, Is teleologically and absolutely evil.

well there it is. so why can't something trivial be evil? this is the movement you won't dare make.

[Anonymous No.17382282]

>>17382261
>you have evil in you too

At least I don't laze about whining about it all fucking day like a loser.

[Anonymous No.17382292]

>>17382282
It's coming out of you right now

[Anonymous No.17382302]

>>17382206
>no, you don't realize i just said there is no teleological disconnect. one side is ignorant, the other isn't. one side represses, the other acknowledges. not all ideologies occupy the same plane of contention. accept it
We aren't ignorant about shit, if anything you're the one who seems more ignorant since you didn't know bugs, and quite likely PLANTS too, feel pain
We simply do not follow the absurdity that the capacity to feel pain alone is what determines the moral value of a being, learn the difference, and stop being a twat who needs to feel morally and/or intelectually superior

[Anonymous No.17382309]

>>17382292
Well there's you problem right there.
I was right when I said you were soft, you think a few flung insults is 'evil.'

[Anonymous No.17382322]

>>17382302
lol moral value. i don't care what airy fairy faggot shit you call it. you're a demon in this hell with me. get some balls and say it

[Anonymous No.17382325]

>>17382279
huh? what is evil about it though? i guess trivial things can be evil but they can be anything from different perspectives.

[Anonymous No.17382335]

[Anonymous No.17382353]

>>17382322
So you're not even attempting to claim the moral superiority anymore? Just trying to drag everyone else down to the level you view yourself in? Like philosophical crabs in a bucket?
You're not even "evil" to begin with, but that's just pathetic, get some self-esteem and try to find something good you can do, goddamn.

[Anonymous No.17382360]

>>17382325
killing something else to extend your own life is evil. the soul is a vampire. "oh but life just is brooo" drop the equivocation. it's a negative phenomenon

[Anonymous No.17382374]

>>17382353
wasn't your entire line of argument based on you trying to do the same?

[Anonymous No.17382404]

>>17382360
I never said that. That implies you are a pacifist and I think that is a much more logical philosophy in general. Though I would still find it wanting in the value of life and different kind of life and different quantities of life which bog down that route. of course the reasoning why one is a pacifist can be different based on different worldviews.
It seems you are arguing for a result in reverse rather than building up to one.

[Anonymous No.17382409]

>>17382360
What about all the bugs you kill or leave injured in massive pain, what about plants having mechanisms that highly resemble our pain receptors?

Why do you not stop walking, ever, or kill yourself? Do you just stop bothering whenever avoiding killing any other species takes too much effort? Spouting these values but not truly caring?

> wasn't your entire line of argument based on you trying to do the same?
No, i was simply pointing out that our teleological and normative views and paradigms are highly incompatible.
Most of these discussions end with total disagreement because what we use to measure negative and positive (if you think that exists) value of an action is far too different. And so no answer can appease all or even most worldviews.

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>>17382409
>Most of these discussions end with total disagreement because what we use to measure negative and positive (if you think that exists) value of an action is far too different. And so no answer can appease all or even most worldviews.
that's why this is one of those questions only a war can answer. but yeah okay dude yeah thanks we got it. you can go now

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>>17382360
are you saying life is a negative phenomenom?.

[Anonymous No.17382430]

>>17382404
you did say it, "life can be anything broo" is the same as saying its value-neutral to accommodate all these perspectives. it isn't.

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>>17382430
if you need to constantly consume other living things to delay the inevitable death of your body, yeah bro you're in the red

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>>17382423
>Bunch of nu-male vegan commies on one side
>bunch of retarded but authentic hicks on the other
would watch.
>but yeah okay dude yeah thanks we got it. you can go now
He acurately states the problem of this course of conversation while others holier than thou or "u dont know nuttin", and you just say you can go know so we can continue this fart sniffing fest.

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>>17382430
... you know the particular can exist in the absolute right? I can appreciate the totality of a claim within that frames setting and than do the same for another while not trying to equalize them artificially.

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>>17382455
every time i read the phrase "holier than thou" someone's reddit card gets stamped.

[Anonymous No.17382494]

>>17378654
Pigs have higher levels of cognition than dogs yet cucks like you will cry over the hecking pupperinos but not based pigbros

[Anonymous No.17382498]

>>17382474
so the other guy was giving eulogies for ants and now you're about to school me on parmenides 101. i am waiting with bated breath

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>>17382444
this is basically life. how you are so out of touch of natural life to say this.

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>>17382484
would you prefer another phrase? I said fart sniffing already, how about retardedly self assured? How about blinded by the magnificent of my immutably perfect autism?

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>>17382508
christ you're fucking dense

>>17382510
hey man you can consume the body of god just dont be so retardedly self assured about it jeez lol

[Anonymous No.17382564]

>>17382539
>christ you're fucking dense
you just cant deny it.

[Anonymous No.17382596]

>>17379952
Same reason Christian's get annoyed when you tell them to give up app their possessions and wander the earth. Because it's a cunty thing to say to someone

[Anonymous No.17382611]

>>17382596
or maybe it's just that cunts don't like hearing the truth.

>>17382455
>would watch.
No, i meant a war in heaven. just lol if you think the roots of these ideologies bottom out in some faggy american political caricature.

[Anonymous No.17382652]

>>17382611
>No, i meant a war in heaven
Understandable, Though you cannot deny the general demography of the two opinions in the west at least.

[Anonymous No.17382664]

>>17382409
>What about all the bugs you kill or leave injured in massive pain, what about plants having mechanisms that highly resemble our pain receptors?
what a dumb argument. Should we just revert back to cannibalism then because you're fine with eating meat?

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>>17382652
that demography is just the extreme dysgenic ass end of a war that was and is being fought by far more powerful forces here and everywhere. it doesn't concern me.

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>>17382494
My doggie would never eat me unlike swine.

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>>17382695
and you think we're deluded. my cat would eat my body but i still love her because i don't hold her animality against her, anymore than i hold immaturity against a child.

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>>17380555
I wonder if Tibetan and Mongolian Buddhists adhere to such restrictions. Hint: They certainly won't adopt veganism.

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>>17382808
tibetans are basically patient zero for oriental demonism, and the fuckin' mongolians lmao.

[Anonymous No.17382833]

test

[Anonymous No.17382849]

>>17380377
Pretty sure in the millions of years that hominins were hunting that they tended to avoid carnivorous beasts or at least not prefer them as much as herbivores and rodents going by cave paintings and archaeology.

[Anonymous No.17382895]

>>17382826
Because blood thirsty meateaters = evil amirite?

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>>17382895
yup.

[Anonymous No.17382921]

>>17382912
Vegaytarianism is Chinese Mahayanist deviance.

[Anonymous No.17382939]

>>17382695
>My doggie would never eat me
Dogs eat corpses and yours would likely eat yours

[Anonymous No.17382942]

>>17382921
and there are chinese manichaeans who abstain from all animal products. what's your point?

[Anonymous No.17382946]

>>17380243
They wouldn't need to be starving they'd just need to have power over. Of course, the hungrier they were the less of an advantage they'd need before they seized the opportunity.

A baby in a pig pen would be torn to pieces.

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>>17382942
That claim is not substantiable but said vegetarianists also rather than eat a little butter and dairy will proceed to partake in various types of bizarre rituals involving menstrual and seminal discharge and the brain matter of their deceased gurus and the consumption thereof.

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>>17383002
kek aren't the agoris a tantric sect? if you're gonna hate, hate honestly. put that big tendie brain of yours to work.

[Anonymous No.17383035]

>>17380286
One cow can live off 3 acres of green pasture, without dedicated cropland for fodder; you can feed it our chaff.

There's going to be 10 mice per average acre of cropland, set to be turned into ground by the combine harvesters.

Life per life, pure pastoralists have smaller kill scores because they handle biomass concentrated in larger units, so they terminate fewer sentient brains per unit of dedicated living space.

[Anonymous No.17383076]

>>17383035
wait a minute, why is the crop farmer using industrial combine harvesters but the cow is being raised on some pristine summer meadow? lmao. disingenuous faggot fuck

[Anonymous No.17383127]

>>17383076
Without mechanization, harvesting crops is very labor intensive relative to managing cows.

A single acre takes over an hour for a champion scythe operator to harvest: https://scytheconnected.blogspot.com/2014/09/1-scythe-5-acres-8-hours.html

The cow walks itself.

Plus, like I said, you can feed them chaff, which is a byproduct of the wheat, maize, barley, etc, you were going to throw out otherwise; full grassfeeding is possible, but not required.

[Anonymous No.17383128]

>>17382695
cats will literally eat their owner's dead body to survive. This happened in numerous instances after an owner an heroed

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>>17380732
>I hope you all die gruesome deaths.

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>>17380732
>Everyday is a new holocaust perpetrated on innocent chickens, pigs and cows
>I hope you all die gruesome deaths.

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>>17383183
>>17383210
noooo don't you know an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?

[Anonymous No.17383749]

I'm a vegan because I feel like if Jesus was around today and saw our agricultural and scientific potential he would realize that eating meat is immoral given our modern luxuries.

[Anonymous No.17383914]

>>17383749
Jesus was/is god though, pretty sure he knows, a reasonable amount of meat is good for you as well, gotta get that protein

[Anonymous No.17383942]

Hamburgers are more tasty than any vegetable.

[Anonymous No.17383958]

The thing with veganism is that you can't hold vegans' standards to non-human animals, and if you hold their standards to only humans you're kind of underhandedly subduing their point itself.
>Other animals need to eat animals to not die, so why is meat immoral
>Only humans shouldn't eat meat because they can choose to not
>If you're admitting humans are above other animals, then why is them eating meat bad in the first place?
>

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>>17380009
>Why don't people eat humans too?
They did in some cultures. Prion disease kuru showed this was a bad practice.

[Anonymous No.17384150]

>>17378618
Clearly, this discussion has devolved into name calling and ad hominem, serving only to further entrench anons to their own opinions. This is, of course, no way to conduct an inquiry and arrive at the truth of the matter, so let us approach the topic from a new angle. After all, why do people eat food in the first place? An anon said that people eat food because it is delicious, but that is a completely puerile take, for it places in higher regard the wellbeing of a part of the body (the tongue) over the wellbeing of the whole. It may be said that people eat because they are hungry, yet that is still insufficient, for then that person is merely staving off pain. The best reason why people eat, and one which no one has brought up at all, is so that they may replenish themselves with the nutritional content from the food. Since that is the role of food, it is not a huge leap to suggest that the better sorts of food require less of itself to satisfy the needs of the consumer (quality > quantity). Now we may approach the question of veganism with this frame: is meat required for an optimal diet?

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>>17384150
People generally mention the nutritional content of food when arguing if something is better, but what one actually has to look at is how much of it can the body take in. As such, plants are very useful for fibers, but they are harder to digest than meat cause of the structure and may not give us all they could from nutritional standpoint.
So meat is not absolutely required, but it is easier to get proteins and minerals from it. Red meat and liver are recommended by doctors to people suffering from anemia and in need of quick and plentiful iron intake.

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>>17384048
Just avoid the brain the my dood

[Anonymous No.17384239]

>>17378654
So you consider yourself on the same moral and philosophical level as a pig?

[Anonymous No.17384263]

>>17380261
But he looks good?

[Anonymous No.17384289]

>>17384239
kek

[Anonymous No.17384309]

>>17380261
Strong chin, well-groomed

[Anonymous No.17384995]

>>17382220

There is not one meaningful subject and predicate in this whole shitty reply.

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>>17381999
>if you can't see the inherent problems in treating all beings which feel pain as existing in the same plane of moral value based on their ability to feel pain alone

Who makes this argument?

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>>17380009
>Why don't westerners eat their dogs/cats?
We are civilized
>Why don't people eat humans too?
It is still wide spread in Africa, but having a 20% admixture of proto-human DNA sort of lets them off the hook.

[Anonymous No.17385200]

>>17379952
Most vegans are as immature and childish and will act like that towards normal people.
Also, we evolved to omnivores that eat all sorts of food but also need to eat all sorts of food to be healthy, including meat because there are some nutrients that we can't obtain from fruit or vegetables.
Also meat was very important to our intelligence because it droves into a cycle where we needed to be smarter to catch our prey and needed their meat to have proteins to develop the brain and become more intelligent.