/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17364124]

How the FUCK does Sowell know so much? He has a seemingly omniscient knowledge of history and economic concepts.

[Anonymous No.17364131]

>>17364124
He’s a Dutch man in a black Pete costume

[Anonymous No.17364140]

>>17364124
example?

[Anonymous No.17364177]

Maybe because he didn’t waste his time on 4chan all day

[Anonymous No.17364178]

>>17364124
Watched some interview with him. Was expecting some hyper genius black guy, who totally broke the realms of scientific racism or whatever. Turned out he sounds like an above average intelligence guy, wasn't impressed at all.

[Anonymous No.17364181]

>>17364140
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5fHBdnpE40

[Anonymous No.17364184]

>economic concepts
he doesn't talk about them

[Anonymous No.17364186]

>>17364178
but he's black. you have to take that into consideration, anon

[Anonymous No.17364195]

>>17364124
He´s quote generator. Good for women, good for midwits but thats it.

[Anonymous No.17364341]

>>17364124
He wasn't held back by the soft bigotry of low expectations because it didn't exist in his day.

[Anonymous No.17364377]

>>17364178
r/nulit/ likes Hitchens.

[Anonymous No.17364536]

I find that you redpilled b a s e dbois only shill this negro inasmuch as he bashes contemporary negro politics such as affirmative action and reparations. You fetishize the idea of a black man who combats other blacks in a kind of proxy war, because you yourself are too uninformed or too afraid to take up the gauntlet. You are nothing more than the effete, socialized descendants of mandingo proprietors. Cringe and sage.

[Anonymous No.17364624]

>>17364536
Maybe they just like what he has to say because the only people I ever see bringing up his race are leftists, and when they do they say exactly what you're saying here. I think you're ascribing motives to other people which you're guilty of which doesn't surprise me because leftists are by far the most hateful people in the word.

[Anonymous No.17364634]

>>17364536
Or maybe everyone was enjoying a quiet life before affirmative action

[Anonymous No.17364636]

>>17364624
trump lost

[Anonymous No.17364646]

>>17364624
>I’m totally posting in good faith and not ignoring the blatant fact that the poster I’m responding to had a legitimate point I’m not replying to with anything more than “but what if historically discriminatory and sadistic groups were actually nice and not acting in bad faith???? :3333”

[Anonymous No.17364651]

>>17364536
>blows the fuck out of both racists and affirmative action
Psh nothing personal

[Anonymous No.17364674]

People who spend hours and days at a time shitposting on the Internet always seem kind of mystified what that time can accomplish put to better use.

[Anonymous No.17364681]

>>17364124
He is smart and he reads

[Anonymous No.17364690]

>>17364124
He ironically started with an intellectual advantage, and that is his racial _disadvantage_. He very quickly saw through white man's bullshit, then black man's bullshit. Meanwhile, the white majority academics struggle to even understand what it's like to be black.
Sowell basically was forced out of "the matrix" before his career even began, so his perspective is razor sharp, and without any rhetorical gimmicks.
Racists on both sides of the aisle implicitly believe he is either a "diversity hire" or an "uncle Tom" to this very day. Again, he _started_ with this hanging over his head, knowing it would never go away.
Sowell fans themselves, even with all of this on mine, are often still racist themselves, implying that his success is somehow amazing _because_ of his blackness, as if a black man should not be capable of this level of thinking.
Now imagine being Sowell, again. It's amazing he even bothers with humanity at this point.

[Anonymous No.17364725]

>>17364646
>Legitimate point
The same thing is used in all Sowell threads as a way to shut down any meaningful discussion.
Sowell is great and obviously some of the points he make are obvious, but the left pretends they aren't and they instantly cancel any white or asian who dare express them.
They still need to be expressed and Sowell has a lot of insights in addition to those obvious points.

[Anonymous No.17364729]

Melanin

[Anonymous No.17364739]

>>17364646
I don't know what you're trying to say because I don't speak in greentext. For once in your life be upfront with what you have to say and stop hiding behind sarcasm.

[Anonymous No.17364748]

Have any Sowellheads here read The Quest for Cosmic Justice or Black Rednecks and White Liberals? I've only read Vision of the Annointed

[Anonymous No.17365097]

>>17364690
Unfathomably based

[Anonymous No.17365145]

>>17364178
John von Neumann was arguably the smartest man of the 20th century, but he sounds completely unremarkable, even socially awkward, in interviews.

[Anonymous No.17365146]

>>17364178
>scientific racism
I have found the midwit

[Anonymous No.17365154]

>>17364748
I've read black Rednecks and white liberals
Pretty good, a considerable portion of the book is only tangentially related but it's pretty well written

[Anonymous No.17365156]

>>17364748
>Black Rednecks and White Liberals
This is a very good read. The essay which stuck with me the most from this personally is the essay "Are Jews Generic?" It eternally BTFOs /pol/ and Neo-Nazis in general and it boggles the mind to take them seriously after that.

[Anonymous No.17365161]

>>17364690
That's essentially what it feel likes to be a successful black dude. Speaking from experience.

[BLACKMAN No.17365227]

>>17364690
I'm going to put this overinflated no point to be made, charlatan nigger to shame when I get recognized. Screencap this post /lit/ you can guess who it is later.
This narcissist is nothing more than a 1930's "wise" black caricature.

[Anonymous No.17365583]

>>17365227
Can't you just both be successful?

[Anonymous No.17365622]

>>17365161
Thanks

[Anonymous No.17366282]

>>17365227
Yes Trequan, I'm sure your rap career will take off at any moment

[Anonymous No.17366315]

>>17364748
Black Rednecks and White Liberals is an indispensable read. Every essay in that book changed my worldview in a different way.

[Anonymous No.17366368]

>>17365145
maybe von neumann wasn't that smart, huh

[Anonymous No.17366568]

>>17364124
Well he does a few things that are a bit different which could explain your perception.

1. He applies reason from multiple directions.
This a simple and powerful method that is not often used. Something like >>17364181 don't look are poverty, look at the absence of wealth. That very small change has huge effect on the direction of thinking, and by doing this new reasoning can be done. If it is sound and novel people will love it, it how you get a lot of smart quotes.

2. He is a black man who dismisses common black views.
This seems to be an easy way to get famous, just be a in a minority and go out saying your minority is all wrong as majority groups love that. (I don't see this as helpful, but believe it is a large reason he go so much air time and interviews. And by such authority association he seems smart.)

3. he deals with economics
Economic understanding is based on a soft science method, which can be applied to nearly everything. A lot of people just don't get the idea if soft science. Thus with economics one can learn or deduce something significant about nearly everything. So it is not that he knows everything it is that he has a method he can apply to everything, throw in a lot of handwork reading and gaining information and he can do a lot. (I often amaze people with my undergrad Econ skills, I just wish it helped pay the bills. Only high level Econ really makes money, so it's really a all in PHD route)

[Anonymous No.17366574]

You guys are all so full of it kek. “He’s for midwits and he’s good for being BLACK”

Wew lads so edgy

[Anonymous No.17366824]

>>17365227
Please do.

[Anonymous No.17367519]

>>17366568
About your last point, I’m an undergrad in econ who intends to go to grad school but only for a MA. Is that enough to pay the bills, or do I need to go for a full PhD? I don’t really intend to be an academic.

[Anonymous No.17367534]

academics affiliated with stanford tend to b p smart what can i say

[Anonymous No.17367638]

He's a 90 year old lifetime scholar so I'd hope he knows more about his field of study than some 4chan poster

[Anonymous No.17367652]

>>17366574
Cope libtard

[Anonymous No.17367659]

>>17364177
>>17364674
I learned lots from 4chan, dimwits.

[Anonymous No.17367664]

who would win in an intellectual contest, black econ man or black science man?

[Anonymous No.17367713]

>>17367519
To be honest, I really don't know.

I just never got to use anything from college. I mean I loved how it helped me grow as a person, but felt like that could have been done with an 2 year degree or something for a lot less money. I think most college is like that regardless of degree. I was an odd ball even for Econ, I mostly used a lot of qualitative approaches when most I knew used quantitative approaches. People would ask about a companies numbers, I would ask if their product was any good. My results were good, but lots of people questions my methods often asking where were the rest of my numbers.

When job hunting most of the economic jobs I saw required a PHD. I sure there are other applications and career paths, but that just what I saw when I was looking (2013 - 2018). Although Econ was my secondary major, my larger focus was on Business and minor in Engineering, so my Econ job hunting was not as intensive as it wasn't my main focus even if I did get the full degree. Would recommend some strange minor to help expand your mind so you can solve problems in new ways, and get people (HR) curious about you.

Originally I started as an Engineer, only to find may problems were actually Business problems. So to make myself more valuable I changed over to Business get the skills to solve the in demand problems. However I later found it was a bad plan. Many of those business positions were higher level jobs, without any entry positions or internships, and training is nonexistent now a days. So by getting an amazing skill set and knowledge base, I was overqualified for lower jobs and lacked experience for upper jobs, stuck in a catch 22 hell. And driven mad by the people who kept saying how great I was, but not getting a job. If complements paid the bills I would have been doing fine.

I would assume it is a similar set up for other MA related growth paths. So I suggest you get a job or internship with your undergrad to show your skills, then later go for the MA. Of course few years later some companies were starting up training programs to deal with huge problems with their talent pipelines, they rejected me because they wanted a college student who hadn't yet gotten preconceived notions as I had gotten a job by then. Whether this is a minority case or some new trend who knows, HR is broken. Either way use those college connections as soon as you can, as college internships seem to meet both conditions. I am jaded and have managed to find some happiness in my grunt work that pays the bills but doesn't use a fraction of what I could do (super underemployed and not paid much, but also overpaid for the grunt work any human could do), I'll find joys in a hobby or friends. Hope this rambling helps, best of luck.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17367725]

>>17367664
Economics=theology
Science > economics or theology

[Anonymous No.17367729]

I like Sowell too. I've read Basic Economics, Economic Facts and Fallacies, and Race and Culture. I want to meet him and Peter Kreeft before they die.

[Anonymous No.17367752]

>>17367725
smoke degrass is far stupider than sowell tho

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17367760]

>>17367752
Not even

[Anonymous No.17367769]

>>17367760
>the poster boy for science as a fandom is more intelligent than literally anyone

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17367791]

>>17367769
Not what those two words meant
>the smarmy college educated theologian of hoodoo numbers that confirms liberal own biases is Smart.
Only seems so to you

[Anonymous No.17367851]

>>17365145
>>John von Neumann was arguably the smartest man of the 20th century,
by atheist standards

[Anonymous No.17367967]

>>17367791
Even if Sowell is not smart he's definitely smarter than Degrass, because Degrass is literally a brainlet. That's the point moth, please reread my earlier response.

[Anonymous No.17367976]

>>17366568
And yet you don't actually address anything
I see this all the time with Sowell
Platitude upon platitude upon platitude but no actual counterargument for any direct claim

[Anonymous No.17367990]

>>17367976
>And yet you don't actually address anything
He was addressing OP.

[Anonymous No.17368060]

I have never read him, where does one start? What's his most accessible work that doesn't alienate?

[Anonymous No.17368064]

>>17364636
so did communism

[Anonymous No.17368077]

>>17367725
>Economics=theology
And leftists wonder why they’re not taken seriously by economists.

[Anonymous No.17368083]

>>17368060
Start with A Conflict of Visions, then Knowledge and Decisions.

[Anonymous No.17368153]

>>17364690
Mother of based

[Anonymous No.17369045]

>>17364181
>spends the 2 minutes reframing "what is the origin of poverty" to "what is the origin of wealth" and forcing the interviewer to reframe the question to try to look more intelligent
>spends the next minute giving a lay man's interpretation of how wealth accumulates that any middle schooler could pump out
>How the FUCK does Sowell know so much?

this is the state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.17369062]

>>17364124
That hair? It's actually an extension of his brain.

[Anonymous No.17369136]

>>17369045
this is the state of the world

[Anonymous No.17369152]

>>17369045
But he’s literally right. So many people always try to explain what causes poverty, which is dumb; poverty is the default state of man. And it’s not easy to explain what causes wealth, there’s a bunch of economic literature on it.

[Anonymous No.17369181]

>>17369152
No, everybody would be rich if it wasn't for the Jew. This is why we need NatSoc.

[Anonymous No.17369195]

>>17369181
Refuted by Sowell btw

[Anonymous No.17369202]

>>17364124
He's a retard.

[Anonymous No.17369204]

>>17369195
nooooooooooo, how could the based black man do this?!?1

[Anonymous No.17369209]

>>17368083
Is knowledge and decisions very interesting?
I've read black Rednecks and intellectuals and Society which I really liked but I'm not sure about Knowledge and Decisions, from the wiki description sounds like an artifact of rational choice theory but I'm hopefully wrong

[Anonymous No.17369213]

>>17369181
This is unironically true for western states

[Anonymous No.17369215]

>>17369204
He also put up a pretty good defense of German culture from the muh nazi types
He's a bit of a schizo honestlr

[Anonymous No.17369224]

>>17369215
nooooooooo, magabros wtf? is he based or cringe? please tell me what we think, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!2121!

[Anonymous No.17369241]

>>17369224
He's based in his books, cringe in his interviews

[Anonymous No.17369250]

>>17364124
Some people just have that kind of encyclopaedic memory, particularly for certain subjects. I would guess there are a few anons who post here who either have this kind of memory or know someone who does.

[Anonymous No.17369252]

>>17369241
the interviews must be deepfaked, it's the only way it makes sense...

[Anonymous No.17369279]

>>17369062
kekked

[Anonymous No.17369372]

>>17364651
The funny thing is butthurt leftists are quick to call him an uncle Tom but it never occurs to me that Sowell is distinguished for saying what he says precisely because it's something that no-one else is allowed to say because he's a nigger.

[Anonymous No.17369416]

>>17365156
>dude middlemen and parasites are necessary because if they weren't why would they exist!
Seems legit

[Anonymous No.17369526]

he doesn't fall for both left or right propaganda views.
As such, he's not an npc and doesn't fall for npc memes from marxists and the all right.
And he uses economics to disprove both nazis and communists.

He's already more based than 99% of academia npcs.

[Anonymous No.17370821]

>>17364124
You must not read a lot if you think this is a smart man. Sowell is a midwit

[Anonymous No.17370824]

>>17364131
Underrated post

[Anonymous No.17370876]

I love how this man makes everyone seethe. The far left and right despise him because he is a complete affront to their world views. He is also good at explaining complex socio-economic phenomenon in simple terms that even lay people can understand. The man is based beyond all belief

[Anonymous No.17371381]

>>17369209
Knowledge and Decisions is pretty interesting, mostly for how redpilled it is. Check our Hayek’s review of it: https://reason.com/1981/12/01/the-best-book-on-general-econo/

[Anonymous No.17371397]

>>17364536
>You are nothing more than the effete, socialized descendants of mandingo proprietors.
I'm not even white lmao. I just appreciate smart people regardless of what they look like. He could be a fucking purple alien and I'd appreciate him.

[Anonymous No.17371411]

>>17369526

He's even less influenced by ideology and just as if not more evidence based than Chomsky, who the left considers almost Godlike in terms of encyclopedic knowledge, consistency, and objectivity. Sowell was a Marxist in his youth and has written a commentary on Kapital, so leftists most powerful weapon of "read theory" is useless against him. Then again, their next post powerful is gatekeeping.

[Anonymous No.17371428]

>>17371411
Did he write a commentary on das Kapital?
I thought he had written a pretty solid introduction to Marx and his thought based on surprisingly wide reading of primary material

[Anonymous No.17371443]

Has anyone evenread basic economics by thomas sowell.
Its a dictionary.
In one of the definitions for free trade he argues that free trade would benefit the united states.
Do you guys agree? i dont.

[Anonymous No.17371469]

Chapo trannies seething

[Anonymous No.17371725]

>>17371411
Sowell ironically has a better understanding of Marx than 99% of the Marxists online who haven’t even read the first volume of Capital. All the leftist lingo they use - class consciousness, base and superstructure, commodification, etc - he’s very familiar with. The thing is that Sowell doesn’t necessarily hate Marx. He actually seems pretty sympathetic to him in his writings and has debunked numerous strawmen often aimed at Marx, but ultimately ended up abandoning him in favour of market economies.

[Anonymous No.17371891]

>>17371443
Free trade would benefit the United States and the rest of the world knows this and so fights tooth and nail to keep us at bay through various methods of tariff and non tariff trade barriers. We have a nearly unending supply of cheap food which basically spells certain socio-economic doom for any nation foolish enough to let the long cock of American business in unopposed. The reasoning for this is quite simple, agriculture is always the base rung of complex society and if you let American staple grains, meat and dairy flood your market unopposed they will swiftly kick the bottom rung of your whole social order out from under you. Your streets will be flooded with farmers who can’t afford to farm anymore and aren’t trained for anything else and your land will be sharply devalued when it’s no longer producing viable cash crops on a global “free economic” context

[Anonymous No.17371947]

>>17365145
There is a difference between flowery language about vague concepts and formal, mathematical language, mastery of one does not entails mastery of the other.

[Anonymous No.17371994]

This one always cracks me up he was definitely an uncle tom.

[Anonymous No.17372026]

>>17371994
His name is Tom after all
But as he points out, it's a retarded arguement that's led to a lot of promising youths wasting their lives because their environment is so comically hostile to education

[Anonymous No.17372090]

>>17371994
>>17372026
>yfw Thomas Sowell actually gives a strong evidence based argument that systemic racism is real by showing how public schools overseen and funded by white America have consistently failed on their lofty “liberal paternalistic” promises.
Really dude Sowell is the guy who ran away from the plantation to go to school in Canada and the Uncle Toms are the ones pleading for massa to throw some more bones to their inner city schools.

Sowell is like the economic intellectual Malcolm X.

[Anonymous No.17372161]

>>17371891
Free trade has devastated this country because we can't compete with the slave conditions imposed on labor by countries like China and India. It should not be cheaper to take a raw resource out of the ground in America, ship halfway across the world to be assembled into a product, and then shipped all the way back here to be sold but this is the kind of lunacy that exists with free trade absent universal labor and pollution standards. You can only say free trade is a net good for America when you simply look at the end price of particular products and ignore every other economic factor, like the loss of jobs and devaluation of American labor, the drop in quality of products, the environmental impact of allowing countries like China and India become our industrial dumping grounds, and the cultural impact that comes with an economy that requires both parents to work, in contrast to the workers of the American past who had a strong position to bargain from when protectionist policies were in place.

[Anonymous No.17372215]

>>17372161
The premise of your argument is wrong because we don’t have a free trade deal with China. China very much limits the amount of American goods and services she allows in. “Free” trade would mean China had none of these.

[Anonymous No.17372223]

>>17372161
Look up comparative and absolute advantage in trade theory. Free trade is what makes countries wealthy. Everything you said is just pure conjecture.

[Anonymous No.17372250]

>>17372215
I agree that we don't have complete free trade, and thank god we don't because the problems I listed would only be exacerbated. These are problems that exist in a state of limited international trade and they won't get any better with more trade.

>>17372223
I'm not impressed by this. There are some advantages to international trade but this doesn't mean the disadvantages aren't real. Is it conjecture to say that labor standards in China are lower than the US? That's just a lazy dismissal of some very real problems and ignoring them won't make them go way.

[Anonymous No.17372270]

>>17364186
das racis

[Anonymous No.17372293]

Elon musk is a drooling retard in comparison

[Anonymous No.17372295]

>>17372250
>wouldn’t get any better through free trade
They absolutely would. Rural America would see the strongest commodity prices in generations if we could get Asian markets to allow us unfettered access. You are way out of your element here. The only context your argument makes sense in is viewing it through the extremely narrow context of the American Union Factory worker, which is totally pseudoscientific analysis and also ignores the fact that automation has taken as much or more factory jobs than the Chinese. You’re hyper focused on a narrow segment of the “labor” portion of an equation that includes Land and Capital as well (LLK) take like an intro Econ class.

[Anonymous No.17372385]

>>17372295
Yes, I've said that prices for particular products will go down but without universal labor and pollution standards this will come at the cost of jobs, world pollution, and the exploitation of workers in the countries those jobs go to. A car being a few thousand dollars cheaper is meaningless if the American worker doesn't have a job to pay for it, or he has to accept a job paying very little in order to compete with the international worker.

Either engage with the arguments or don't, but you have stop with this grandstanding about "intro to econ class" bullshit. That sort of rhetoric will work on people who genuinely don't know what they're talking about but for me I'm unimpressed. The only thing I'm "hyperfocused" on is the entire picture and not just the price of particular products. I'm doing what Sowell recommends and I'm approaching policy with the "benefit and tradeoff" mindset, where I look at the benefits of trade but I don't just stop there, I also look at the tradeoffs. I see the weakened labor force, the pollution, and the cultural impact.

[Anonymous No.17372392]

>>17364124
Common sense and basic economics >>> neo-keynsianism nonsense for pseuds who went to public school lmao

[Anonymous No.17372411]

>>17372385
I posit to you that if agrarian commodity prices are strong and farming is profitable for the first time in 70 years in America that it will be a boom for the average working person who will be free to leave the city and make a comfortable living farming in the bread, fruit, and vegetable baskets of America.

[Anonymous No.17372441]

>>17364748
I'd personally consider A Conflict of Visions, The Vision of the Anointed, and Intellectuals and society a trilogy. The Quest for Cosmic Justice seems like it would fall among this group of books as well, although I haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.17372460]

>>17372411
How do you make commodity prices strong enough in a state of free trade? Countries will do exactly what they're doing now. Exploit their workers and force them to work in sub standard conditions, lack any decent environmental standard,s and then flood our country with the end product. Then it becomes unprofitable to farm our own land just as it has become unprofitable to manufacture many things in this country.

[Anonymous No.17372478]

>>17369526
>>17371411
>Grew up poor and black in the early 20th century
>finds marxism
>reads theory
>rejects theory as it doesn't accurately reflect reality
>serves in Korean war
>undergrad from Harvard
>PhD from Chicago
>Milton Friedman protegee for 40+ years
Based

[Anonymous No.17372479]

>>17372411
lol thats ridiculous
Yes just leave the city,buy a plot of land,a tractor and other industrial scale farming equipment.
I meansure theres the organic veggie crowd but thats a niche.

[Anonymous No.17372494]

>>17372411
>just learn to farm bro!

it's like low iq "learn to code"

[Anonymous No.17372574]

>>17372460
Because arable land and water are finite resources. With labor you can fuck like rabbits or let immigrants in and increase your supply. Land and water are perfectly inelastic and America has it in spades.
>>17372479
If commodity prices are solid it’s entirely possible. It was a major engine of post war economic growth across America and it’s an inherently more equitable way to structure society because if the land ownership is broken up across the citizenry we all have more equity in our shared nation. Btw if you look at it statically there’s enough acreage in the continental US for every family (as defined by the average of 4 people) to have ~ 20 acres of their own. With the recent decentralization of the service industry thanks to digital communications progress it’s even possible for every 20 acre farm to be a two income household wherein one person is pulling down a salary in tech or services from the comfort of their living room. And, what’s more market trends are already showing that people DESIRE this arrangement as they flee California and NYC for rural America. Imagine if we leaned our policy into this and facilitated it. A healthy patchwork of independent plurality communities across the nation with no dense urban and suburban sprawl and the necessity to truck food and water there.

[Anonymous No.17372585]

>>17372494
Farming is infinitely more complex than coding.

[Anonymous No.17372595]

>>17372585
i grew up in a college town with many farms. it's really not.

[Anonymous No.17372607]

>>17372585
>open hole in ground
>put thing in ground
>water
>wait
>sell grown thing for 6000% profit inc. gov subsidies

[Anonymous No.17372612]

>>17372460
Pro-Tip: If you use buzzwords for idiots like "exploit" and half-intelligent person will immediately disregard you as a fucking rube.

[Anonymous No.17372616]

>>17372585
Farming being complicated is agitprop intended to get first worlders to mechanize, and eventually abandon, their agriculture so that corporate entities can further capitalize on developing nations.
We gotta cut down the rainforests so Africans can grow more food for America!

[Anonymous No.17372624]

>>17372574
>With labor you can fuck like rabbits or let immigrants in and increase your supply.
Which does not increase the standards or bargaining power of workers. A farm laborer is not in a position to demand a decent wage if the owner has a sufficiently large potential labor pool. This is what happens with free trade, we either lose jobs or we have to lower our standards in order to compete with immoral countries. It's a race to the bottom in terms of the environment, culture, and labor standards and the only compensation you've been able to put forward is that the price of goods will go down. It's not worth it. A strong country needs strong protectionist policy.

[Anonymous No.17372637]

>>17372616
when was the last time you consumed anything that was made in africa?

[Anonymous No.17372649]

>>17372624
i'd rather have basic necessities like food be as cheap as possible rather than subsidize "muh american farmers" which are actually all multinational corporations

[Anonymous No.17372650]

>>17372612
What should I call it when the government of China locks up peasants in an Iphone factory and pays them 20 dollars a week? That's the definition of exploitation. You may not like the word because you hear some goofy Marxists say it a lot but that's you're problem. There's no better word to convey the idea that I'm sharing.

[Anonymous No.17372660]

>>17372649
The price of a steak could be 10 cents, but if the average worker can't afford it then are we really better off as a people?

[Anonymous No.17372664]

>>17372649
I’m talking about an anti subsidy program. Free trade and solid floors on commodity prices are undone by subsidies.

[Anonymous No.17372670]

>>17372660
Yes, because I'm not the average worker and I don't care what happens to him.

[Anonymous No.17372671]

>>17372660
the average worker doesn't work in steak production so driving down the costs of steaks is not going to affect them

[Anonymous No.17372674]

>>17364124
He's the smartest half-black man who ever lived. He'll surely enrich his people's academia in the nation of his own people --- no wait, he's here, in white society, with all the white people. Why is that?

[Anonymous No.17372677]

>>17372650
iphone production is moving to india where the exploitation is worse and it's a democracy so now what?

[Anonymous No.17372686]

>>17372670
Oh okay. You're a cool guy.

>>17372671
It doesn't matter what field they work in. If they can't afford it, what good is it being cheap?

[Anonymous No.17372698]

>>17372686
where did you pull this strawman idea that sourcing food from the cheapest place would some how reduce the earnings of workers?

[Anonymous No.17372699]

>>17372616
I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say... that traditional and regenerative farming is simple? It’s not it’s a lot of work and expertise to manage a multifaceted closed loop farm. Are you saying that industrialized farming is easy? Well I’d say it’s easier than the previous example but running high tech machines and fertilizer programs requires a set of expertise as well add in on top of that that most grain farmers have to be able to evaluate the market like a stock broker to know when to pay to store their grain and when to sell, etc.

The idea that farming was ever simple or for simple minded people was a myth made up in modernity. In reality it’s always been a highly complex and nuanced pursuit that mixes a diverse array of skills and knowledge.

[Anonymous No.17372702]

>>17372677
I don't know why you think it matters. You didn't like the way I used the word exploit and now you're talking about Iphones being made in India.

[Anonymous No.17372711]

>>17372674
Because he was born in the U.S.? Just a guess.

[Anonymous No.17372717]

>>17372699
yes, the corporations that own the farmland and equipment have huge armies of accountants and statisticians working around the clock to maximize efficiency, but billy bob and jose working in the field do not

[Anonymous No.17372735]

>>17372698
You were talking about bringing in immigrants to lower the cost of food in order to compete on an international level Immigrants lower the cost of food by weakening the negotiating power of workers. The more competing workers there are the less an individual worker will be able to demand from his employer. This isn't a strawman, it's the inevitable consequence of a policy you put forward.

[Anonymous No.17372744]

>>17372735
the us government reduced the cost of food by taxing the shit of out of high earners on the coasts and sending it to agrarian states by way of farm subsidies. there isn't anything wrong with that, it makes sure we have a secure food supply, and keeps hicks in red states employed and off heroin, but if korea comes with the ten cent steaks i'm buying them, fuck indiana or wherever

[Anonymous No.17372747]

He's very well read.

[Anonymous No.17372769]

>>17372624
>>17372717
> Fewer than 32,500 non family held corpor ations own farmland, and they own less than 5 percent of all U.S. farmland.

[Anonymous No.17372810]

>>17367659
Then why are you still here?

[Anonymous No.17372828]

>>17372711
And why was he born in the US, anon?

[Anonymous No.17372971]

>>17372828
>>17372711
I'll tell you why. Because his ancestors were enslaved by his own people and sold for pennies to Jewish merchants in order to displace and compete with White working class laborers. Do you see the injustice, anon? Without jews and niggers, the White man never would have suffered the horrors of slavery.

[Anonymous No.17373031]

>>17372478
more like
>Grew up poor and black in the early 20th century
>finds marxism
>reads theory
>identifies with marxism for a decade
>becomes intern with the gov
>realises being a marxist is bad for your career, especially with the fed
>rejects marxism

[Anonymous No.17373053]

>>17373031
>half-nigger
>dumb enough to be marxist
checks out

[Anonymous No.17373102]

>>17373031
Many people flirt with communism and socialism when they're younger and then reject it when they grow up. It's so common it's literally a cliché.

[Anonymous No.17373191]

>>17373102
tbf a large portion of those people think they were "flirting with socialism" because they were anti war and wanted blacks and gays to be happy

[Anonymous No.17373198]

>>17364124
He cute

[Anonymous No.17373226]

>>17364124
Very slightly above midwit tier. For people who could get A's in English but will never originate anything.

[Anonymous No.17373233]

>>17373031
more like

>grow up poor black in the south
>moves to new york
>finds marxism
>becomes a marxist
>still a marxist even after studying economics under Friedman
>interns for government
>governments literally tells him to not do his job because it would reflect bad upon the government
>realizes government is shit and that what it does is not good in reality
>rejects marxism
>becomes one of the most important thinker of our times

[Anonymous No.17373247]

>>17373226
Oof why do you hurt me so?

[Anonymous No.17373271]

>>17373233
>realises bourgeois government is dogshit
>becomes bourgeois shill
>becomes successful
really fires off those almonds

[Anonymous No.17373305]

>>17373271
>sees the game
>realizes a solitary nigger in America will never be allowed to change the game
>makes a bunch of money off the game and sows the seeds for type of bourgeoisie decadence that facilitates the system to collapse itself
Is he actually playing 4d chess?

[Anonymous No.17373326]

>>17364536
You're pretty dense if you think any white person would be given a broad stage to say things like this in 2021
The black community needs to address this stuff and they're completely hung up on blaming whitey

[Anonymous No.17373332]

>>17373326
>>17364536
Meant to link this video
https://youtu.be/JtyoNSmOYzo

[Anonymous No.17373360]

>>17373326
Malcolm X used to talk like this too. Also notice that Sowell kept his hair natural for life and look at Al Sharpton and other conk niggas and ask yourself who is simping for whitey really.
I totally agree with you anon

[Anonymous No.17373381]

>>17373360
Funny that Malcom X was wary of white liberals. Look how much good they've done for the black community since.

[Anonymous No.17373425]

>>17373381
Exactly. I read Malcolm X a lot in high school- early college and was exposed to Sowell in early college too but he was presented as a big bad Republican but I listened to his books and speeches and realized he shared a lot of argument and sentiments with Brother Malcolm. I don’t think most white liberals have spend a serious amount of time reading either primary sources seriously. Black empowerment is black autonomy and black economic ownership and you can’t get that groveling for handouts from benevolent white daddy figures.

[Anonymous No.17373428]

>>17373360
Al Sharpton instigates the blame whitey stuff.
I saw some speech he gave where he said "for 401 years you've kept your knee on our neck" like ffs give me a break.

He is one cornerstone of keeping the black community down.
It's like blaming your parents all your life.
Sure you can do that, but at the end of the day it's not going to develop you in any meaningful way.

[Anonymous No.17373441]

>>17373428
Exactly. A conk nigga ashamed of his own hair simping for whitey and pretending he’s “helping” black people. Boondocks has a really poignant satire of him and his media circus.

[Anonymous No.17373446]

>>17373381
White liberals are enablers who offer nothing to the black community but sympathy and pussy, and ruin their own culture while they're at it.

Handing people things doesn't solve the problem.
This is about values, interest in learning, and personal development.
We have the fucking internet where so much information is right there, and most people want to indulge in sensory pleasures, then wonder why gaps exist.

Now it's at the point where it feels like culturally, they're just saying fuck it, teach white people to give a fuck primarily about meaningless sensory pleasures

[Anonymous No.17373627]

I love how Sowell brings out the racism in his critics without even trying.

[Anonymous No.17373742]

>>17364124
its his job lol

[Anonymous No.17373854]

>>17373627
Uncle tom

[Anonymous No.17373868]

>>17367851
If by that you mean science than yes.
>inb4 euphoria

[Anonymous No.17374088]

>>17366282
I'm sure your mein kampf sequel will take off soon Billy

[Anonymous No.17374112]

>>17367519
I have a B.A. in Econ and B.S. in Math. I worked at a futures exchange for four years, and in insurance another four years.
Every person that I've known in these industries with an Econ degree has at least a PhD. You would likely be better getting a degree in math and becoming an actuary.

Also, the futures exchange and insurance industry suck and I hate my career every day. I wish to God I had gotten a CS degree, because that's what I'm doing anyways.

[Anonymous No.17374428]

He's credited a research team before.
>UNCLE TOOOMMMM
I remember my early exposure to his thought and writing. It steered me against leftism. Didn't realize he was black til way later.

People who call him Uncle Tom have clearly never read his work. It's clear most of his detractors are merely retarded white liberals who are too smooth brained to come up with actual arguments.
His body of thought accounts for a wide variety of regions and peoples, from Czechs in the German Empire to American Blacks to Jews to Chinese emigrants in other Asian nations. A key concept he addresses is social mobility, and much of that is based on research.
It's straightforward and mechanistic. It doesn't require you to discard your value system to understand. He merely demonstrates how human nature establishes an order of incentives, which is counterproductive to the stated goals of many institutions. My impression is that he sees that many institutions paradoxically worsen the problems they are made to create, based on this order of incentives.
The organs of a state tend to become self-interested, as well, and will exhibit behavior against their original intents.
Take for example welfare. Welfare does not incentivize people to get an education, it does incentivize a group to attain social mobility. It rewards their laziness.
This is an apparent and indisputable effect. And it's very apparent on a massive scale in modern Africa. Foreign interests, even with good intentions, sent millions of dollars worth of food and other supplies to Africa or Haiti. And what happens? How can a local rice farmer compete with American rice that's free? But what improves the economies of these places is when locals can train skills and use them, like welding. This allows local industries to develop, which brings in jobs. Men with jobs have an opportunity to turn away from crime and poverty.

[Anonymous No.17374437]

>>17374112
>a futures exchange

Chicago?

[Anonymous No.17374468]

>>17366282

[Anonymous No.17374470]

>>17374437
it seems like a lot of second rate talent ends up in chicago, i knew a failed med school guy and a finance party bro with a shit gpa, they both moved to chicago (from nyc) and now have careers lol i guess they'll take anybody willing to brave the cold and murder rate out there

[Anonymous No.17374480]

>>17374437
Yeah
>>17374470
I grew up in Chicagoland. It's hard enough getting a new job in these times even without hiring someone from out of state

[Anonymous No.17374851]

>>17364124
>how does he know so much about economics?!?
Um, because he's literally an economist? That's like asking how a physicist knows so much about physics.

[Anonymous No.17374859]

>>17374851
but some guy on youtube told me college is a scam, you mean you actually learn shit there? wtf who knew

[Anonymous No.17374880]

>>17372479
>>17372494
Dig a hole, put seed in, add water
https://youtu.be/c0IGy1Jr9X0?t=45

[Anonymous No.17375018]

>>17364124
I am an economist. No economist takes him seriously. He has only written 2 economic papers. He is a person that White people shit that they believe.

[Anonymous No.17375033]

>>17375018
Bitch you barely speak English

[Anonymous No.17375199]

>>17375018
This isn’t true at all. All of my econ profs who knew about Sowell had some respect for him, even those who disagreed with him politically. A black man who grew up in poverty and made it to Harvard before affirmative action existed, and who has won the National Humanities Medal for “innovative scholarship”? That's obviously worth respecting.

[Anonymous No.17375852]

>>17364124
Superior BBC genetics

[Anonymous No.17376765]

>>17375199
Isn't it impossible to make it to Harvard without affirmative action?

[Anonymous No.17376785]

>>17368077
nobody with a brain takes economists seriously

[Anonymous No.17377120]

>>17364124
easy, not all blacks are dumb

[Anonymous No.17377145]

>>17375199
You skip the fact that not only did he make it to Harvard without affirmative action
He dropped out of high school to go to war
>>17376765
Nowadays? Probably
Back then, no, it was incredibly demanding, more so than today, but it was never the less accessible to those that fulfilled the criteria

[Anonymous No.17377275]

>>17365227
Talcum X...is that you?

[Anonymous No.17377398]

>>17377145
>He dropped out of high school to go to war
Brainlet tier

[Anonymous No.17377453]

>>17377398
iirc he was having family and financial problems that led to him being forced to drop out and then got drafted or something

[Anonymous No.17377467]

The only america black figure that didn't suck white cock is Malcolm x