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[Anonymous No.17357730]

>CONSEQUENTLY Luther did NOT understand Christ
was he for real?

[Anonymous No.17357766]

>>17357730
Sounds based. Luther is overrated. His best complaints mostly boil down to particular managerial complaints and he spent the rest of his life coping and trying to back justify all the death and chaos his little shit fit about his bosses being big meanie heads.

[Anonymous No.17357927]

>>17357730
Did you know Luther supported cuckoldry?

[Anonymous No.17357935]

>>17357927
And he was into the scatological. Really, search it up.

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>>17357730
Christianity

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17357940]

>itt catholicucks seething

[Anonymous No.17358193]

>inquisitor
>brilliant theologian
>btfo'ed L*ther
>condemned the faggot Bruno
truly a based man

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17358196]

>>17357730
Christianity

[Anonymous No.17359699]

bump

[Anonymous No.17361343]

>>17357730
Luther was the best thing to happen to the Church in a long time, and even Catholics should know it. There's even a statue of Luther in the Vatican now.

[Anonymous No.17361417]

What's this I see? Cringe followers of a cringe false prophet seething over a based saint and prince of the Church? Yup, I'm thinking this is based.

[Anonymous No.17361490]

Jacques Maritain's chapter on Luther in Three Reformers is pretty interesting.

He deconstructs Luther's theory of justification, and demonstrates that it necessarily entails Pelagianism.

[Anonymous No.17361975]

>>17361490
Maritain is a very interesting intellectual, he is able to be simultaneously extremely based and cringe at the same time. The guy was obviously a genius, and thus gravited towards thomism, building on it extremely well, but his turn to liberalism (some say because he maried a Jew) is perplexing to me.

[Anonymous No.17362050]

>>17361975
Maybe if you broadened your mind beyond a false dichotomy of based/cringe you would be able to understand a nuanced and diverse worldview

[Anonymous No.17362288]

>>17362050
Hi Moshe!

[Anonymous No.17362290]

>>17357730
yes and he was right

[Anonymous No.17362320]

We wuz descendants of the Apostles and shiiiet

[Anonymous No.17362368]

>>17362320
They literally have an unbroken line, though? And Judas was also an apostle. Seethe more, Pastor Billybob

[Anonymous No.17362371]

>>17362288
Jews are the epitome of based/cringe thinking.
>Talmud based
>goyim cringe
That’s why they instinctively try to tear down everything about the Western and Christian tradition down.

[Anonymous No.17362381]

>>17362368
>Pastor Billybob

[Anonymous No.17362383]

>>17362368
thinking an unbroken line means literally anything.

the Catholic Church of today teaches dogma utterly foreign to the apostles and the early church. literals who care about an "unbroken line" you dont have the same truth as them.


thats literally the only thing thats important. do you have the same teachings as the apostles? when you look through history the answer is obviously no

[Anonymous No.17362436]

>>17357730
Kek I love this meme
>>17361343
This guy knows. Nietzsche talks about it on the Antichrist.

[Anonymous No.17362464]

>>17362383
Dogma is added but never removed or changed. Complaining about adding dogma is what the Jews would say about the early Christians. So where are the changed/removed dogmas?

[Anonymous No.17363025]

>>17361417
>that painting
Kek

[Anonymous No.17363078]

>>17357730
Luther had some valid points, I wonder why Protestants never looked to Orthodoxy before creating a brand new heretical sect.

[Anonymous No.17363104]

>>17363078
It was an autistic German power grab. Plus then they’d have to be in communion with sl*vs

[Anonymous No.17363211]

>>17361417
I classify this painting as a pre-internet meme. Luther is literally crying wojak in this.

[Anonymous No.17363232]

>>17357935
Well, he was German.

[Anonymous No.17363307]

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.17363328]

>>17363078
>I wonder why Protestants never looked to Orthodoxy before creating a brand new heretical sect.

The Lutherans entered into a fitful, ultimately short-lived dialogue with the Orthodox.

>Common ground was easily found included the doctrine of Christ, evil as caused by humans, ancestral sin and its transmission, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the efficacy of baptism, the abuses of papal primacy and supremacy, the allowance of married clergy, and communion in both species. These, and other lesser points of agreements, were quickly dispensed by both sides in favor of focusing on disputed issues.

>As the dialogue progressed, two underlying themes became evident. First, the Orthodox accepted many more of the Roman teachings and practices than the Lutherans expected; for example, the number and nature of the sacraments, intercessions to the saints, and a laudatory understanding of icons, relics, and monasticism. Second, the Lutherans retained several Roman teachings and practices that had precipitated or evolved after the Great Schism; namely, the acceptance of the filioque, the use of unleavened bread, questions revolving around predestination, and the refusal to commune infants.

>The greatest sticking points, however, were those which one would expect: the Lutherans refused to accept the writings of the holy fathers as correctly interpreting the Scriptures unless “tradition agrees with the Scripture”; and the Orthodox refused to accept the Lutherans’ sharply defined understandings of justification and free will.
https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2017/10/03/lutherans-greek-church/

[Anonymous No.17363347]

>>17363328
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.17363359]

>>17357730
Based

[Anonymous No.17363363]

>>17357730
>>17357766
Luther is easier to understand if you look at his relationship with his father and his need for his father's approval, and compare it to his relationship with God and his nee for certainty in his own salvation.

[Anonymous No.17363383]

>>17363328
>agree on 98%
>throw it all away over 2%
Why are Lutherans like this?

[Anonymous No.17363417]

>>17362464
adding dogma can disrupt the fundamental truth of the gospel. Rome has already done this.

[Anonymous No.17363427]

>>17363383
because theres no point in mixing if the 2% is a fundamental aspect of the faith.


thats like saying jews and Christians should just merge because they share most of the same book

[Anonymous No.17363433]

>>17363427
They share like 50%. What a terrible comparison you made.

[Anonymous No.17363458]

>>17363363
Psychoanalysis is so trite.

[Anonymous No.17363551]

>>17361975
>>17362050
This is actually, unfortunately, very accurate. It seems to me like he wanted to embrace the new things that postmodernism had to offer, while still retaining Thomism, and being a true liberal. Instead of just picking one of those, he decided to try all three. That's why he has some interesting nuances and analyzes, but also massive failures.

[Anonymous No.17363572]

>>17363551
Can’t serve two masters, Christ and the devil (modernity).

[Anonymous No.17363843]

>>17357730
Has anyone read Bellarmine? Is it worth reading?

[Anonymous No.17364762]

Sometimes I really like Luther. He's straightforward, no bullshit and gives you a Christianity that isn't weighty. I don't like all the implications of his theology but I can see the appeal.

[Anonymous No.17364790]

>>17361417
>The Qur'an with translation into the English language
Kek

[Anonymous No.17365528]

>>17357730
Luther was a giga-boomer

[Anonymous No.17366475]

>>17364762
https://mediatrixpress.com/current-projects/bellarmine-translation-project/

[Anonymous No.17366479]

>>17366475
>>17363843
Meant to (you) you.

[Anonymous No.17367836]

>>17363843
Yes he's very good. On the Church Militant totally btfos all prot arguments about the nature of the Church, and the nature of the Church is of course essential to any understanding of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.17367844]

>>17363417
What do you think changes the truth of the Gospel?

[Anonymous No.17368235]

>>17363211
>pre-internet meme
That's from Giovanni Gasparro, he's contemporary painter, 37 years old as of now

[Anonymous No.17369623]

>>17363328

If anyone here is into Socionics, you can easily map the Christian branches onto the Quadras, Gnostic-Gamma, Orthodox-Delta, Catholic-Alpha, Protestant-Beta, for easier understanding.