/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17351421]

>we must create unity, and holy warfare is obviously the best way to do so
>here, I’ve written a book with the literal word of God, make sure not to write down anything besides it, such as libraries filled with every single possible way to interpret it
>also, don’t revere me to the point of godhood, like declaring me perfect, imitating everything I did or say, or making it illegal to criticize me. That way my movement of unity, universality and oneness won’t split in two the very moment I drop dead
Was this all an Andy Kaufman-esque prank? Was Muhammed actually a secret atheist out to demonstrate the absurdity of religion?

[Anonymous No.17351467]

>>17351421
>he gets his info from western sources
read the source material, preferably with it's historic context and stop making retarded threads.

[Anonymous No.17351486]

>>17351467
I did, it’s still retarded

[Anonymous No.17351501]

>>17351486
I doubt it, especially from how you wrote this thread, it shows.
>Holy warfare is the best way to do it
Do you know what was the first ever war/battle the early muslims ever fought and for what reason?

[Anonymous No.17351511]

>>17351501
and no googling! since you read it all :)

[Anonymous No.17351516]

>>17351421
>Was Muhammed actually a secret atheist out to demonstrate the absurdity of religion?
nah, he was an ambitious man who knew his people well, and was absolutely right to think making up his own religion would take him all the way to the top. I don't think he really cared about what happened after his passing.

[Anonymous No.17351529]

>>17351511
The Document of Medina already signals a vague threat from the outside, but the clearest first instance of war against the Meccans would be the 8th expedition

[Anonymous No.17351572]

>>17351529
Here we go, the first battle was Battle of Al-Abwa, The early muslims were getting slaughtered and kicked from their Homes, They were never the Initiators (unless you count preemptive battles). If you're talking about the expansion of the Islamic state after Mohammed's death then thats a completely different story.

[Anonymous No.17351590]

>>17351421
Sometimes I wonder. The Quran reads unironically like a shitpost or parody. It's jaw droppingly retarded.

[Anonymous No.17351599]

>>17351590
that might simply be because Mohammed, shit be upon his name, was legitimately a retard.

[Anonymous No.17351613]

>>17351572
>unironically thinking it was the first expedition because this is known as the first
>what is the qibla and when did it change
Amateur hour

[Anonymous No.17351638]

>>17351590
>>17351599
Based Messenger making christshits seethe in this life and the next

[Anonymous No.17351641]

>>17351613
I'm not gonna argue semantics with you, retard. It is the first military action taken by Muslims in their history, call it a battle or an expedition, I dont care.

[Anonymous No.17351678]

>>17351590
i like the argument that the Koran is authentic BECAUSE it's an insane, garbled mess

[Anonymous No.17351727]

>>17351641
You fucking imbecile. You actual retard. During the first seven expeditions, no battles took place. This is actually extraordinary. During the first expedition, it says it was aimed at the Quraysh. He didn’t actually encounter them. This is such a classic mistake. During the first seven expeditions, very little interesting stuff actually happens, apart from side activities where no actual blood is spilled.

I seriously thought you were going to say the second one, when the first arrow was shot, or the third one, when the first banner is flown, but you actually went with the prototypical wikipedia scholar answer, and went with the first. Perfect. You’re an idiot

[Anonymous No.17351795]

>>17351590
>droppingly retarded
Actually this. Uncomparable to the bible or ancient thought.

[Anonymous No.17351808]

>>17351678
it's a retarded argument

[Anonymous No.17351813]

>>17351678
my diary desu is an insane garbled mess too. does that mean it's divinely inspired literature?

[Anonymous No.17351835]

>>17351678
>the argument that the Koran is authentic BECAUSE it's an insane
Never heard of this one, you sure you're not making it up?

[Anonymous No.17351930]

>>17351641
i don't like muslims because they tend to be brutal slavers that never cease raiding. other people aren't so aggressive like that even when invading another.

[Anonymous No.17351946]

>>17351930
you right, The west was so gentle when they invaded others, they basically tickled them into submission, not like those evil muslims. Just stfu you historically illiterate tard.

[Anonymous No.17352391]

>>17351638
it's weird how Christianity lives rent-free in Muslims heads, anytime someone criticizes Islam the Muslim immediately screeches "Christcuck!"

[Anonymous No.17352408]

>can't be fucked to codify his holy book
>can't be fucked to name a successor
>can't have male children despite having a dozen wives
>lets Umar sexually harass his wives

what went wrong?

[Anonymous No.17352492]

>>17352408
God punishing Muhammad and his religion. If Muhammad had a male child without a doubt all of Islam would be United under him and his line. We wouldn’t be able to handle a unified Islam, so God destroys their chances for real unity.

[Anonymous No.17352529]

>>17352492
>we wouldnt be able to handle a unified islam
Even a "divided" islam managed to conquerer the middle east and beyond, even with a fewer numbers and odds stacked against it. To point where medieval christians regarding it as God being on the muslim side and using them as "punishment"

[Anonymous No.17352534]

>>17352529
christians regarded* it

[Anonymous No.17352537]

>>17351421
i am amazed how muslims look asians

[Anonymous No.17352554]

>>17352537
Saudis are the rednecks of Asia. If Billy-Bob bought a rug and got rid of his Bud, he could move there

[Anonymous No.17352560]

>>17351421
Islam was intended to be a post hoc religious justification to unify the Arabs at a time when they were throwing off the yoke of the Byzantines and Sassanians. The Muhammad of the Quran is a mythical figure bearing little resemblance to the man who actually founded the faith.
The Umayyads and Abbasids perverted the religion within its first century, again, for their own political expedience.

[Anonymous No.17352579]

>>17352560
A pointless polemic that can be applied to any pre-modern religious founder, it's the historical argument equivalent of the literary trope of "it was all a dream", as it is more the absence of an argument than anything else.

[Anonymous No.17352581]

>>17352560
what is the Muhammad of the Quran like, isn't he only spoken to? does his character come much into it?

[Anonymous No.17352591]

>>17352581
He isn't mentioned in the Qur'an very much at all, but to be fair to that anon I believe he means the tradition Islamic accounts regarding Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.17352721]

Didn't Abu Bakr invent Islam?

[Anonymous No.17352769]

I like Bataille's take on it, that it was basically fascist state capture before fascist state capture was a thing. Form an army of out of nothing and just conquer. The entire religion is an expedient means to doing so and acquiring plunder

[Anonymous No.17352786]

>>17352721
no

>>17352769
>fascism and plundering bad because uhhhh.... it says so in the biblerino somewhere?

>>17352537
central asian art

[Anonymous No.17352787]

>>17351421
Another thread where, much like in the countries they occupy, Muslims raze to the ground propriety and human reason.
Even to this day muslim sages are ruminating over topics like "Aisha was 9 when she was deflowered but she was an adult already" or "is cousin marriage good?"

very profound religion indeed. And if I see one more shitskin in real life tell me the West is rotten, I'll tell him his parents shouldn't have begged our governments to let them in.

[Anonymous No.17352793]

>>17352787
wipe your tears christcuck

[Anonymous No.17352797]

>>17352787
>anons come into every thread with the intention of shitting it up and derailing it
>haha you never talk about anything profound
Don't get mad at me when you shit in my lawn.

[Anonymous No.17352799]

>>17352529
>Even a "divided" islam managed to conquerer the middle east and beyond, even with a fewer numbers and odds stacked against it.
It is a pretty polemic book (and well-sourced) but The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise explains how the Muslim armies and administrations fueled themselves by absorbing their enemies, quite literally. The Muslims who conquered North Africa were OG Arab and the ones who conquered Spain were heavily Berber. Then generations of their rulers in Spain intermarry with Visigoth/Roman women but keeping the Arabic language and religion.

[Anonymous No.17352803]

>>17352786
>says so in the biblerino
the bible encourages plunder and conquering more than the Quran, God tells the israelities to kill kids because their parents were wicked.

[Anonymous No.17352808]

>>17352797
Your lawn has aids

[Anonymous No.17352817]

>>17352391 is confirmed as true
see:
>>17352769
I like Bataille's take on it, that it was basically fascist state capture before fascist state capture was a thing. Form an army of out of nothing and just conquer. The entire religion is an expedient means to doing so and acquiring plunder
>>17352786
>fascism and plundering bad because uhhhh.... it says so in the biblerino somewhere?

[Anonymous No.17352820]

>>17352808
I mean yeah but the whole planet does, you have to avoid the aids to find the flowers.

[Anonymous No.17352823]

>>17352799
I am talking about the beginning of it, during the rashidun caliphates. it was a bunch outnumbered desert people who didnt even have the advanced armor or weaponry that their opponents had

[Anonymous No.17352858]

>>17352803
anon, that's the old testament which most nu-christcucks pretend doesn't exist or matter

[Anonymous No.17352862]

>>17352823
I am also Bataille poster
>>17352769
Afaik he is one of the earliest writers to make the comparison... very prescient in hindsight given the contemporary admiration many rightist extremists have for Islam

[Anonymous No.17352913]

I want turd-worlders off of my forum.

[Anonymous No.17353075]

>>17351946
comparatively, god yes. they weren't slavers either. many muslims in africa still massacre and enslave others. and the non-muslim population of the middle east has been slowly worn down through a succession of mass killings, deportations, enslavement, forced conversions despite no more conquering happening. this is the fruit of a muslim majority society.

[Anonymous No.17353101]

Muhammad jizzed his pants and had seizures constantly. I really doubt he was a theological master.

[Anonymous No.17353108]

>>17353075
>the non-muslim population of the middle east has been slowly worn
hmmmmm I wonder what happend to the Pagan population of Europe, South and North America and even some parts of Africa??

[Anonymous No.17353119]

>>17353108
They were syncretized into Christianity. Whinge more Abdul.

[Anonymous No.17353130]

>>17353119
> syncretized
Okay, faggot.

[Anonymous No.17353173]

>Nooooo, you can't convert people, only I can do that, all those people who were forced into christianity were "syncretized"

[Anonymous No.17353181]

>>17353119
This is like how China does vocational training for Turkics right?

[Anonymous No.17353377]

>>17351421
Muhammad was pretty badass

[Anonymous No.17353400]

>>17352408
>can't be fucked to codify his holy book
he wanted people to memorize it
>can't be fucked to name a successor
He obviously picked Ali. The Sunni cope of Mawla meaning friend is complete crap because it makes no sense as to why he'd stop everyone and say everyone be friends with Ali
>can't have male children despite having a dozen wives
He did have male children they all died young
>lets Umar sexually harass his wives
?

[Anonymous No.17353404]

>>17352391
Because all the Muslims here are on a discord server and the head of that server only converted to Islam because it was based and redpilled, just like he previously converted to Orthodoxy for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.17353449]

>>17352799
>The Muslims who conquered North Africa were OG Arab and the ones who conquered Spain were heavily Berber.
The Spanish conquest was some random berber seeing that the Visigoths were weak and decided to go fuck them up with a few thousand others. The Visigoths were worthless. Even the Gepids put up a better fight before they were taken down

[Anonymous No.17353458]

>>17353404

[Anonymous No.17353510]

>>17353458
>Everything I don't like is projection
Nice argument there retard

[Anonymous No.17353521]

>>17353101
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.17353526]

The muslim girl in my class once said that the quran's prose is regarded as peak arabic and is one of the reasons people believe it is indeed the literal word of God, is this actually a commonly held belief?

[Anonymous No.17353529]

>>17353510
>Everyone I don't like is a gross discord tranny that plots against me, the fucking cowards
>Not projection
Okay faggot

[Anonymous No.17353547]

>>17353529
Yes, that's what he's saying about you an your ilk.
But why is it projection, Machmood? Please explain your reasoning.

[Anonymous No.17353584]

>>17353526
I wouldn't describe it as prose, it's more poetic in nature, the canonically first chapter of the Quran reads like poetry.

[Anonymous No.17353608]

>>17353526
and yes, it is widely held but only between the Arabs who know the language, the Idea that an illiterate man can produce something like this, is considered a miracle.

[Anonymous No.17353645]

>>17353529
You have yet to actually show that I use discord or make an argument why that isn't the case with the near constant Islam spam (which is almost always the case of this persistent of a spamming campaign just like that of Guenonfag). It's almost like you are projecting

[Anonymous No.17353933]

>>17351590
I love how after Mohammad does something controversial he gets an OK from god and the golden plates soon after