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>most underrated Shakespeare play
>most overrated Shakespeare play
>your favorite Shakespeare play

I'll start us off
>The Winter's Tale (and to a lesser degree Coriolanus)
>Macbeth
>Either The Tempest or The Taming of the Shrew

>> No.17342827

>>17342791
None
All
Macbeth

>> No.17342837
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17342837

>>17342827

>> No.17342839

>>17342827
Fellow Macbether

>> No.17342896

>>17342839
It's an inferior version of King Lear

>> No.17342905

>>17342791
>winter's tale
>othello
>romeo and juliet

>> No.17342932

>>17342905
>>othello
>>romeo and juliet
Extremely odd, explain yourself

>> No.17343125

bump

>> No.17343145

>>17342896
King lear is overrated.

>> No.17343152

>>17343145
Elaborate. As for me, I think Macbeth's character writing and general imagery is far weaker.

>> No.17343236

>>17342932
I love othello, I just feel like it doesn't quite hold a candle to the rest of the big 4, especially compared to coriolanus or titus for instance.
As for romeo and juliet, it is often overlooked as banal, and in some ways it is compared to his other plays, but the poetry is so consistently beautiful throughout the play and does a phenonenal job at pulling you into the madness of their love. And even the relative simplicity of the play works in the favor of this sentiment.
I just often hear people dismissing r&j as a dumb young love, when it being dumb young love is exactly the beauty of it.

>> No.17343252

>>17342791
titus
hamlet by far
macbeth

>> No.17343258

>>17343236
>and does a phenomenal job at pulling you into the madness of their love
Really? I think the violent relationship between Othello and Desdemona (as well as between Iago and Emilia for that matter) are depicting in a much more intriguing fashion. Maybe it's just because Romeo and Juliet started a trend I've been overexposed to and I can't appreciate it as much.
>I just often hear people dismissing r&j as a dumb young love, when it being dumb young love is exactly the beauty of it.
I think that's true but I don' see the angle Shakespeare comes from as anything particularly groundbreaking. I can understand why you like it, but I still cannot disagree more.

>> No.17343420

>>17343252
>Titus
Okay anon, sell me on it being underrated.

>> No.17343472

>>17343258
>I think the violent relationship between Othello and Desdemona (as well as between Iago and Emilia for that matter) are depicting in a much more intriguing fashion.
Somewhat agreed, but the problem, and perhaps that is just me, is that it is intriguing exclusively from an academic standpoint, while never managing to pull you in on an intuitive level the way the rest of the big 4 (and even some of his other tragedies) do.
>I don' see the angle Shakespeare comes from as anything particularly groundbreaking.
Agreed, nothing particularly groundbreaking. Like i said, it's realtively simple, just alluringly poetic in a way that made me cry like a bitch, so personal favorite.

>> No.17343513

>>17343472
>Somewhat agreed, but the problem, and perhaps that is just me, is that it is intriguing exclusively from an academic standpoint, while never managing to pull you in on an intuitive level the way the rest of the big 4 (and even some of his other tragedies) do.
I disagree, the symbolic value in the character dynamics can reach that intuitive level of enjoyment.
>Agreed, nothing particularly groundbreaking. Like i said, it's realtively simple, just alluringly poetic in a way that made me cry like a bitch, so personal favorite.
I can't really argue against that and I understand the feeling you're describing.

>> No.17343662

>>17342791
>none of them
>all of them
>The Tempest

>> No.17343726

A Winter's tale is terrible though. Coriolanus is one of his best, yes.

I think Much Ado is his most underrated and a Midsummer's Night Dream most overrated. My favorite is Coriolanus

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17343743

>>17343726
>A Winter's tale is terrible though
Explain yourself, ye of little taste. Much Ado isn't even that underrated.

>> No.17343766

>>17342791
>None, really, maybe his later ones?
>King Lear to an extent. THis is really hard because it's really really great, but it's hard to find a best in Shakespeare's tragedies.
>Julius Caesar.

>> No.17343776

>>17343743
It's uneven as hell

>> No.17343797

>>17343776
In what way? If you mean quality wise, I would say that's more of an accurate way of describing Coriolanus than The Winter's Tale.

>> No.17343851

>>17342791
>Measure for Measure
>As You Like It
>Hamlet

>> No.17343884

>>17343851
>Measure for Measure
Based choice, I think it's some of his better character writing for sure.

>> No.17343922

>>17343797
I mean it's like that vampire movie with Tarantino

>> No.17343950

>>17343922
You thin k it doesn't follow through on exploring interesting ideas?

>> No.17343960

>>17343950
I think it's impossible to maintain any suspension of disbelief and the plot of the second half doesn't follow satisfactory from the first half,at least for a play

>> No.17344007

>>17343960
I just can't see how you could think that and can't even begin to try and argue with you on the subject. Paulina defending Hermione after her death is especially emotionally moving for instance.

>> No.17344041

>>17344007
I'm unsure what that has to do with it. My ex was emotionally moving too but still deeply unsatisfying

>> No.17344056

>>17344041
I mean the experience of the emotions Shakespeare is conveying is fulfilling in itself.

>> No.17344079

>>17344056
Nothing to do with the criticism I mentioned but Lear is obviously much better for that

>> No.17344136

>>17344079
I'm trying to say (admittedly in an unclear way) that the emotional gravity of the story makes the second half satisfying to experience. I don't think it's his best piece or anything, I'd say you're right in that Lear is a bit better at what I'm describing than Winter's Tale is, but it is not terrible.

>> No.17344873

>>17342791
>Timon of Athens
>Hamlet
>Macbeth