>all cultures are valid >except capitalism Any literature on how leftists avoid this critical misstep?

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Anonymous Wed Jan 20 04:51:34 2021 No.17333265 [Reply] [Original]

>all cultures are valid
>except capitalism

Any literature on how leftists avoid this critical misstep?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 04:52:44 2021 No.17333267 >>17333265 >all cultures are valid Who said this? Or is this your confirmation bias speaking?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 04:53:46 2021 No.17333273 >>17333265 Define “valid”

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:01:13 2021 No.17333290 i am a leftist, and i don't believe all cultures are valid. if i did then i wouldn't oppose backward intolerant/violent cultures

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:02:33 2021 No.17333294 >>17333290 >if i did then i wouldn't oppose backward intolerant/violent cultures Think again buddy.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:04:14 2021 No.17333298

>>17333265
for marx capitalism was the validest type of society to exist. thats why marx was in favor of colonialism in certain cases, because it spread capitalism, which is more progressive system than what people had before it. it still makes a lot of leftists seethe today.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:09:51 2021 No.17333319

>a picture of marx
>low quality thread
Never fails.

>>17333265
Incidentally, OP, it's more like
>anything successful is bad
Their problem is just that they have an envious zero sum game mindset. Any person doing relatively "better" than others must be doing something immoral. Hence we get these strained interpretations of the world- superior performance is explained as the result of capitalist exploitation or systemic racism or whatever. No other explanation is allowed, and no multivariate analysis of the issue can be contemplated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:16:41 2021 No.17333331 >>17333265 gtfo with your retarded strawman

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:28:05 2021 No.17333362 >>17333265 Hey commie idiots if capitalist culture doesn't exist why is it so heckin' cute and valid?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 05:49:08 2021 No.17333431

>>17333265
He didn't think all cultures were valid

Capitalism isn't a culture its economic system

Marx understood Capitalism to be a valid and (arguably) necessary transitory stage in mankinds progression (he found it to be preferable to several prior systems of economic arrangement). The utility of capitalism identified by Marx later influenced Mao's theory of the national struggle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 06:28:53 2021 No.17333572 Karl Marx for starters

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 07:25:59 2021 No.17333791

Actual Marxist don't think all cultures are valid at all. They believe the whole world should be secular and that we should get rid of useless traditions for one. Look at what the cultural revolution was like in China or what Karl Marx and Lenin thought about religion. The people who think we should all hold hands and sing kumbaya or whatever are just retarded liberals who never read a book in their lives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:39:35 2021 No.17334735 >>17333265 t. has not read marx capitalism isnt a culture its a mode of production, retard marx also never said that all cultures are valid >>17333298 t. has not read marx >>17333319 t. has not read marx

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:47:32 2021 No.17334780 Leftism doesn't work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:49:23 2021 No.17334785 >>17334780 Except when it does

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:52:16 2021 No.17334795 >>17334735 You don’t have to type the same message for each person lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:54:21 2021 No.17334813 File: 35 KB, 444x348, soc1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17334785 Which is never.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 10:57:59 2021 No.17334835

>>17334813
>posts boomer comic from his "100 gorillion dead no iphone venezuela" folder
>heh. that'll show em
leftism is literally the reason you can stay home on weekends, why you have so many holidays, paid sick and maternal leave, humane working conditions, not to mention how it freed millions from tyrants in cuba, russia, burkina faso...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:04:33 2021 No.17334870 >>17334835 Leftism is the reason 100 million people are dead. Cuba and Russia has suffered immensely due to leftism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:09:28 2021 No.17334899 I do not think you understand marxism very well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:12:27 2021 No.17334916 >>17334870 Capitalism is the reason countless billions are dead

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:14:17 2021 No.17334926 >>17333265 all cultures are valid or only 1 culture is valid but we are past Marx and we acknowledge that cultural space is produced capitol is not a culture but a culturing culture

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:15:02 2021 No.17334930 >>17334916 Whataboutism. Yikers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:16:01 2021 No.17334938 >>17333290 define "backward intolerant/violent cultures"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:18:45 2021 No.17334950 op never said anything about marx, nice evasion and strawmanning though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:19:50 2021 No.17334956 >>17334930 >it’s a whataboutism to point out that my ideology causes more harm than yours

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:20:12 2021 No.17334960
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>>17334870
>Leftism is the reason 100 million people are dead.
objectively untrue
the book this number first came from was ideologically motivated and counted nazi deaths at the hands of soldiers and abortions in the ussr as "victims of communism" lmao. stop guzzling up this propaganda and do your own research
>Cuba and Russia has suffered immensely due to leftism.
russia under stalin was not exactly heaven, still loads better than living under a tsar or capitalism
cuba is doing very well, even while its being assraped by the most powerful entitiy on planet earth
keep in mind that all the wars in pic related were started for the profit of oligarchs, polititians and their donors of the military industrial complex

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:20:43 2021 No.17334964

>>17333265

What do you mean by valid? If you read Marx's description of Capital you might actually find it very endearing and, if you fail to read the following chapters, you might even think he's being positive about capitalism. He doesn't say it's not valid - quite on the contrary - he thinks it to be an inevitable consequence of human cultural development. We are past Marx now and have a better clearer understanding that Capital, as he describes, is not an essential component of history but, now that it is already here, it is indeed all-encompassing and ever adapting. It did not have to be like this, but now that it is, this is the only thing that is.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:21:07 2021 No.17334966 [DELETED]

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this book actually covers that in one of the chapters op, of course it went over like a lead balloon because leftists don't want to face it, and the guy is a leftist so conservatives couldn't embrace it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:22:46 2021 No.17334973 >>17334916 >>17334960 Leftism has caused more than 100 million people to die. Countries like Venezuela, North Korea, Germany, Russia, Cuba and many more have suffered thanks to Socialism. Capitalism has brought billions of people out of poverty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:23:32 2021 No.17334981 you are confusing liberals and leftists. liberals (which includes cultural relativists, postmodernists, etc) believe in tolerance of all cultures. leftists want a dictatorship of the proletariat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:28:30 2021 No.17335016 >>17333265 You wanted a picture of Boaz maybe, not Marx.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:29:34 2021 No.17335027

>>17334973
spoken like a true npc
>but 1000 trillion dead!
>but north korea! vuvuzela!
>it brough people out of poverty
its literally always the same shit with people like you
i know youre not gonna read a book some heres some stuff you might comprehend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74YrMZ127jo
this ones pretty normie friendly and debunks most of the standard liberal talking points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwL1mSrPLA
i used to think like you, before i started reading some marxist works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:31:14 2021 No.17335039 File: 16 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey kids, peter griffin here to remind you that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:31:25 2021 No.17335040 no because marxists view capitalism as necessary, unless you're a leninist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:32:29 2021 No.17335051 >>17334870 Nigger, Russia was the best it ever was under commies. Dont take my word for it, 3/4 of Russians think so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:32:50 2021 No.17335055 File: 34 KB, 728x455, background-cartoons-communist-griffin-wallpaper-preview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335039 holy freaking crap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:33:38 2021 No.17335064 >>17335039 thanks peter! very informative

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:34:15 2021 No.17335069 >>17335027 >i used to think like you, before i started [consooming communist propoganda] i could see believing in communism in the 1930s, or maybe even the 1960s, but in the 2020s? come on bro

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:38:03 2021 No.17335098

>>17335069
you think reading what your supposed enemy thinks is "consooming propaganda" while you regurgitate the same tired talking points over and over, not a single original thought in sight
communism is more relevant than ever, because capitalism is growing more powerful and destructive by the day

i really advise you to watch the second video i posted. it avoids much of the jargain and is very easy to understand, and it might even make you rethink what every piece of mainstream media you have ever consumed has conditioned you to think

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:39:46 2021 No.17335110 >>17335098 dude, i was a communist in college, i'm trying to save you from wasting your time, communism is stupid, and all the marxist professors are dying off and getting replaced by wokists, so you won't even get brownie points from faculty for it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:41:13 2021 No.17335117 File: 382 KB, 1200x1200, 20600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335069 I wouldnt get so cocky. It wont be long until Marxist regime becomes worlds most poweful state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:42:35 2021 No.17335127 >>17335117 If India didn't go communist in the 20th century it's not going to go commie now. If they lose faith in capitalism, it will just become some kind of hindu nationalist fascism.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:44:26 2021 No.17335142

>>17335110
>dude, i was a communist in college
what made you a communist? honestly im having a hard time believing you were, given you dont seem to understand communism and just spit out memorized phrases to "debunk" something you dont seem to understand
maybe read some introductory text on marxism, we are on the literature board after all

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:45:43 2021 No.17335150 >>17335127 Throughout 20th century they had pretty socialist regime, little reason for them to go full Mao. And far left is definitely more poopular amongst opponents of capitalism than fascism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:48:25 2021 No.17335168 >>17335150 There hasn't been a communist revolution after the Iranian Revolution in 1979. That broke the communist wave, for better or worse, sorry buddy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:49:35 2021 No.17335178 >>17335142 i got involved in anti-war activism during the bush era which is of course full of communists and other extremists who use it to recruit naive people.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:53:02 2021 No.17335196

>>17335178
lmao you think being an anti-war activist is communist? jesus...
assuming youre still anti-war, did you ever consider WHY the US starts so many wars? why the US lied to the public many times to invade another country?
wink wink nudge nudge, the reason is profit and by extension, capitalism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:55:20 2021 No.17335209 >>17335196 you sound naive as shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:58:39 2021 No.17335223 >>17335209 are you denying that wars are started only to feed the military industrial complex? this is a fact even most liberals will acknowledge what on earth were you even doing in that anti war activism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 11:59:56 2021 No.17335233 >>17334835 That was literally Mussolini though. Are you stupid or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:00:47 2021 No.17335238 >>17335168 There was succesful communist revolution in this century, in Nepal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:01:12 2021 No.17335242 >>17334938 >Define Violent cultures Cultures which allow or celebrate violence such as: >Gang Culture >Capitalist culture >Military and Police culture >Islamic Culture

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:01:41 2021 No.17335247

>>17335223
first you strawmanned my statement that the anti-war movement is full of communists and other extremists, so you can't even argue your own supposed beliefs in good faith which should tell you something about valid they are, but do you realize there have been wars since the beginning of human history? you think wars are some special thing caused by capitalism? why did vietnam and china fight a war in 1979 when both were communist? i'm sure you'll come with some dishonest cope, but the truth is there is less war in capitalism. western europe was a bloodbath for most of history, and only now with capitalist democacy do we see peace.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:02:56 2021 No.17335257 >>17335233 mussolini, well known for being the vanguard of the working class kek, where did you get this from?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:06:30 2021 No.17335279

>>17334973
>Venezuela,Cuba

Yes, these countries failed purely because of their political system, it has nothing to do with the USA making a serious effort to debilitate and prevent the countries economy from functioning.

These countries can barely import or export because of the US, no country would be propserous with those sanctions placed on them. How well do you think the UK or Denmark would do if they couldn't do business with any firm that uses US financial services?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:08:19 2021 No.17335292 [DELETED]

>>17335238
Oh, yes, people were clinging to Nepal back in the Bush era too. I was even at a leftist conference where the leader of the supposed resolution called in and addressed the audience. Be honest though, Nepal is not communist, and still operates with a free market. Moreover, the only reason Nepal had a communist movement is because they aren't muslim. Next you'll be telling me about the Kurds which are also just a nationalist movement.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:11:08 2021 No.17335305

>>17335117

An "authentic" Marxist regime, so to speak, isn't going to come into power through traditional party politics. What you'll always get is a powerful state of patronage akin to the USSR and every other 20th century socialist state that existed. That is what that model of social change produces, there needs to be a different basis for it to consistently shift to something more in line with communist principles etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:11:10 2021 No.17335306 >>17335279 >These countries can barely import or export because of the US wait, what, are you saying free trade is important for prosperity? lmao

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:12:13 2021 No.17335310

>>17335247
what did i strawman exactly? please explain
yes i do know that wars have always been a thing, and there might even be war between socailist countries, although rare.
>you think wars are some special thing caused by capitalism?
i never clmaied this. theres gotta be a name for this kind of argument... perhaps one involving straw...
i dont know why china and vietnam fought in 1979 so i wont talk about it
>but the truth is there is less war in capitalism. western europe was a bloodbath for most of history, and only now with capitalist democacy do we see peace.
yes, WE see peace now. the middle east, asia, africa and south america dont.
it was sensible for most western capitalist countries to not be at war with each other, but if lockheed martin and raytheon are the ones helping you get elected you know damn well that there will be more war
seriously try to find a reason why the US invaded iraq for example, other than for profit
http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/The_Use.pdf

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:13:02 2021 No.17335319 communism is so irrelevant in the 21st century, big tech doesn't even bother to deplatform them.

>>	Blarty Hongo !WegkZP4tiw Wed Jan 20 12:13:17 2021 No.17335323 >>17333265 >Marx thought "all cultures are valid" >Marx thought capitalism was a "culture" You're probably beyond help.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:14:47 2021 No.17335331 >>17335310 >george bush and dick cheney started a lame war based on personal interest >therefore communism is valid that's not great logic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:15:02 2021 No.17335334 >>17335319 >Toothless rednecks are a bigger threat than westoid """""revolutionaries"""""" Absolute state of commies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:17:21 2021 No.17335361 File: 522 KB, 2400x1350, 17d58e06-1f57-4f80-9d69-031dc7c1d51b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335319 We made them our bitch. Want to be on Chinese market? Serve Chinese interests.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:21:34 2021 No.17335398

>>17335331
you really dont want to understand this do you?
it wasnt just bush and cheney, its virtually every US president and to an extent most european leaders as well
its not just their personal interest. it is the interest of capital, the one driving our entire mode of production.
the fact that we bombed millions of brown children for oil and to make arms contractors happy isnt just a small slip up, its a symptom of the rot at the core of this system. bush and cheney starting bloody wars for money arent bad actors inside of capitalism, they are precisely playing by its rules.
an alternative is the only option if we want to avoid continued barbarism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:24:29 2021 No.17335422 >>17335398 you sound like communist recruiter with a table of musty trotskyist lit at a anti-war rally, save it buddy i've heard it all before

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:27:53 2021 No.17335468

>>17335422
you might have heard it before but it seems to all have gone completely over your head
how do you defend this? do you honestly think that things are fine the way they are? im willing to bet you dont like middle easteners being carpet bombed for the benefit of some raytheon CEO, so why do you still defend the system that enables that? im genuinely curous
oh and fuck trotsky

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:32:16 2021 No.17335511 >>17335468 >im willing to bet you dont like middle easteners being carpet bombed for the benefit of some raytheon CEO sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. do you have any evidence that defense stock perform better during military interventions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:34:31 2021 No.17335530 File: 44 KB, 800x450, brainlet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335511 >do you have proof that arms dealers benefit from war

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:41:31 2021 No.17335612 >>17335530 see, communist recruitment pitches are all flimsy conspiracy theories and fallacies. most defense spending is on shit that is never used, while most enduring conflict zones like congo or eritrea have the cheapest gear

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:43:26 2021 No.17335639 File: 85 KB, 769x695, gigachad star.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335612 >weapon manufacturers benefitting from armed conflicts is a conspiracy theory

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:45:52 2021 No.17335657

>>17335511
http://www.isaacfaber.com/thoughts/2015/4/6/war-profiteering-you-should-have-bought-defense-stocks-when-the-war-started
https://www.investors.com/news/defense-stocks-higher-u-s-kills-top-iranian-commander/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/21/military-spending-defense-contractors-profiting-from-war-weapons-sales/39092315/
the fact that this "sounds like a conspiracy" to you and that you needed a source in the first place is deeply worrying
seriously, even among the most milktoast liberals this is common knowledge. realizing that the system enabling these actions might not be so good is really not a difficult conclusion to come to.
when investors are telling you you shouldve invested into defense stocks during war, something might be wrong here dont you think?
even if you think that communism is bad somehow, acklowledging that capitalism is horrible is the only defensable position to take here

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:48:07 2021 No.17335670

>>17335612
whats next, is the pharma industry benefiting off of people being sick a conspiracy too?
i genuinely doubt that if you had sat down to think about this on your own youd think this way. seems like you just wanna own them gommies because youve been told we are your enemy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 12:50:55 2021 No.17335690 File: 865 KB, 2544x4000, 1593631736304.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335242 >Capitalist culture >"Posted from an IPhone"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:00:16 2021 No.17335763 >>17335306 I'm saying that in a modern economy importing and exporting is essential. I doubt there is anyone who disagrees with this. Which modern communist is suggesting total isolationism and self-sufficiency?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:01:58 2021 No.17335776 >>17335511 >do you have any evidence that defense stock perform better during military interventions You realise you can look at defence stock prices online can't you? You don't need someone else to find source for you, you can easily do it yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:03:41 2021 No.17335792 >>17335763 >Which modern communist is suggesting total isolationism and self-sufficiency juche actually advocates for exactly this as far as i know not that thats a good thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:05:15 2021 No.17335807 >>17335776 youre expecting a little too much from him buddy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:09:09 2021 No.17335850 >>17335690 posted from a huawei phone ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:09:37 2021 No.17335856 >>17335792 I know what Juche is, but who is advocating for Juche for Western Nations? No one. More people advocate for civilisation collapse than Juche.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:11:16 2021 No.17335879 >>17333265 capitalism is a mode of production, not a culture, and culture is not rendered invalid simply of the way it's influenced by social dynamics which are the product of capitalism in other words your premise makes no sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:11:58 2021 No.17335888 >>17335879 he knows, he is just pretending to be retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:12:46 2021 No.17335898 >>17335856 of course only contrarians are for juche in the west, i just mentioned it because its pretty interesting and to show that communism isnt as uniform as many people think.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:15:28 2021 No.17335929 >>17333265 >capitalism >culture

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:43:47 2021 No.17336167 >>17335888 never attribute to malice etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:45:39 2021 No.17336187 >>17335929 >50 kinds of creamy smooth peanut butter

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 13:47:29 2021 No.17336202 Marxism is western supremacy. Marxists want to impose their (western) ideology upon all people of the world, and they wanted this also back in the day when non-europeans still had traditional non-westernized societies. Is pure hate...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:24:52 2021 No.17336432 >>17336202 >What is Third-worldism >What is Moaism >What is Moist hTird-Worldism >What is Khmer Rougeism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:31:38 2021 No.17336487 >>17336202 this is the kind of shit someone who has never read a marxist would say

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:33:06 2021 No.17336498 >>17336202 The non-western world is basically the only place that has, (or at this point, can) implement a marxist system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:34:17 2021 No.17336510 >>17335257 He put up the 8 hour working days. And some other thing I'm forgetting

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:37:13 2021 No.17336541

>>17336487
marx and engels were racist white (yes ashkenazi are white deal with it) burgeois liberals who would fit in well with contemporary progressivist crowd
reading early marxist works is just pure larp and cringe, even stalin looks sane in comparison

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:38:16 2021 No.17336549 >>17334835 >leftism is literally the reason you can stay home on weekends, why you have so many holidays, paid sick and maternal leave, humane working conditions weird way to spell the catholic church

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:41:41 2021 No.17336573 >>17336549 >Has never read any working class history

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:43:09 2021 No.17336588 >>17336573 >he read anti-catholic communist labor history claiming other ppl's wins shigdig

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:50:33 2021 No.17336642 >>17336573 leftism never even held real power and the most significant thing it did in is to burn down the tuileries and ban public displays of religion out of spite

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:52:42 2021 No.17336661 >>17336642 Unions didn't have any power?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:55:35 2021 No.17336686

>>17336642
>weekends
>8 hour work day
>ban on child labor
>safety regulations for dangerous jobs
>public assistance programs to help those who currently can’t help themselves
>voting rights
>ending slavery
>building the middle class
>ending needless wars
>killing the IMF
Yep, the left sure never did anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:55:56 2021 No.17336694 >>17336661 unions arent really leftist, in fact as we see today left wing policies work directly against unions even most public services we have today were built either by conservatives or fascists what left did is to slap a rainbow sticker on it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:57:15 2021 No.17336703 >>17336694 You obviously have no idea about unions or the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:58:28 2021 No.17336711 >>17336694 Taft hartly was introduced by anti union conservative capitalist pigs and you know that you deceitful little shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:58:30 2021 No.17336712 >>17336686 >liberals institute workers rights measures that catholic countries had for centuries to prevent rebellions >look what the left did!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 14:59:31 2021 No.17336724 >>17336694 in the unites states the labor movement was built by catholic immigrants who were used to the european guild system, not communists or other bourgeois ideologues

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:00:43 2021 No.17336731 >>17336712 >liberals did thing after killing thousands of workers and union members at the hands of pinkertons and other assorted institutionalized powers >look ma, I went to /his/ once!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:00:51 2021 No.17336732 >>17336703 the left literally just spent the whole summer demonizing a public sector workers' union

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:01:39 2021 No.17336737

>>17336711
i am not from america and american "conservatives" are widely ridiculed in normal world for being corrupt ultracapitalist psychopaths
so if your problem is with them i completely agree with you
>>17336703
>In 1593, Philip II of Spain established an eight-hour work day by a royal edict known as Ordenanzas de Felipe II, or Ordinances of Philip II.
>This established:
>Sixth title.
>From factories and fortifications.
Law VI That the workers work eight hours a day distributed as appropriate.
you sure are advanced

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:02:32 2021 No.17336744

>>17336510
the 8 hour work day existed long before mussolini
why does nobody on this board actually read anything
https://www.lib.umd.edu/unions/labor/eight-hour-day
>>17336541
>marx and engels were racist white
yeah they were a tad racist
>burgeois
nigga
>liberals
nigga??
>who would fit in well with contemporary progressivist crowd
nigga what the fuck???
stop pretending that youve read stuff that you have no clue about
you dont even seem to know what bourgeoise and liberal mean, come on man the bar is already low
>>17336549
>has never read any working class history
i already provided a link and theres a pretty good website called google where you might find the history of leftist struggle for all these things. things that people have fought and died for because their bourgeois (often christian) overlords wouldnt give it to them
>>17336642
please read something, anything. read a wikipedia article, even a fucking CNN headline. anything, please

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:03:04 2021 No.17336749 >>17336724 united states progressives actually want to overturn all that catholics did to protect workers literally cant make this shit up

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:03:23 2021 No.17336751

>>17336732
>police unions are unions ans thus the left doesn’t support unions because I can’t tell the difference between oppressed workers and those that maintain a monopoly on violence!
How stupid are you people. It’s like you learn these little phrases and rhetorical tools just to twist the truth enough to let you sleep at night. /pol/ was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:04:18 2021 No.17336765 This board really took a turn huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:04:31 2021 No.17336766 >>17336744 when this guy reads early marx he's in for a real shock

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:04:44 2021 No.17336768 >>17336744 are you really trying to say engels wasn't bourgeois? his dad was literally a tophat wearing factory owner

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:04:57 2021 No.17336773 >>17336732 >The left and liberals are the same thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:05:09 2021 No.17336776 lets start a challenge guys! heres how it goes: before talking about a subject, google the words! type the words into google.com and read what comes up! its that easy you fucking retards!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:05:45 2021 No.17336780 >"""tad bit""" racist >literally unironically say slavs are disgusting subhumans who need to be genocided and germas are the master race

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:05:51 2021 No.17336781 >>17336765 Spill over from /pol/ today. Even bunkerchan has their anti-ddos shit up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:06:16 2021 No.17336786 >>17336773 you're telling me black bloc anarchists throwing molotov cocktails are liberals?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:07:19 2021 No.17336796 >>17336751 you are aware that the soviet union had law enforcement?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:11:50 2021 No.17336831

>>17336796
You are aware that you are now correlating ideas outside the scope of the discussion so you can feel superior, right? Like, the methodology and level of “whataboutism” you are pulling right now is absurd. No specifications to what time period of the USSR so you can lump in the revolutionary trotsky period with that of Stalin or when they introduced McDonald’s. A bland term of law enforcement so that it encapsulates all forms and variations. All this, just so you can feel like you won a gatcha with a shitpost. It’s so dumb. It’s not sincere. It’s not effort posting. You’re just being an asshole to be an asshole about it. Which, I get it, that’s 4chan, and the fact that you can’t go to /pol/ or /his/ today because it’s a total shit show, makes sense. I really get it. But I just want to say, from the bottom of my heart, that I, a real person, want to tell you that I’m sorry you are that way.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:15:07 2021 No.17336856

>>17336831
youre really speaking from my heart here man. 4chan is becoming more unbearable by the day and while there still are those quality posts that keep us coming, you have to actively look for those and avoid pages and pages of schizoid drivel.
is there an alternative? is bunkerchan any better? i want to migrate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:15:11 2021 No.17336857 File: 47 KB, 720x724, swag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17336786 they are corporate whore play actors under the employment of george soros, mark zuckerberg, barry soetoro, and xi jinping

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:16:49 2021 No.17336870
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>>17336773

Not that guy, but their difference in America is still overstated. American "leftists" mostly just want social democracy, they have no understanding of how to overcome capitalism. The ones who are more staunch communists usually have this vague idea that a revolutionary party is going to implement socialism, but revolutionary communist parties have historically just created SUPER social democracy, where state bureaucrats theoretically representing the workers have more authority over the conditions of production, and more regional or central state offices provide for common needs. Certainly more representative of a state that is in the interests of the working class, but nevertheless I think just social democracy to an extreme degree. The market is transcended as a means of allocation in key ways, but the state mostly retains its old bourgeois character of being kind of above the working class. Like the social democratic state the social democratic party becomes the benefactor of the working class, but still separate. Its institutional logic is still usually careerist and insular, it guards its authority but unlike the bourgeois state as such it derives its legitimacy from how it treats the working class, so the careerists within the party balance their patronage of their constituents with their patronage of their party minions and their service to their party boss.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:18:45 2021 No.17336888

How would you manage a population of millions with a decentralized state where the means of production and economy are controlled democratically by small scale workers? Wouldn't they be in danger of being overran by a stronger, more unified & organized state with larger capabilities and resources?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:20:38 2021 No.17336902 >>17336870 >Like the social democratic state the social democratic party becomes the benefactor of the working class, but still separate. Meant to say communist party.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:23:08 2021 No.17336919

>>17336856
As far as political discussions regarding the left, yes, bunkerchan is better than most all 4chan has to provide. Even the tankies put effort into their posts when they call you retarded in a four paragraph long historical context. They aren’t so good at life outside that sphere though. The /edu/ board is slow and many leftists don’t read outside of “theory”, thus /lit/ still remains a main board I frequent, if only because there’s occasionally a good post/discussion/book rec on here. Chapo discord trannies get way too annoying too quickly with their passive aggressive anti intellectualism nature to really actively participate with. Nor are the /lit/ boards on the other dozen chans really active enough to call a “home” board either. The capitulation of social media monopolies was really the end of it all. I miss honest to god active forums. Maybe we should just go outsi- oh fuck the rona. God damn it.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:23:11 2021 No.17336921

>>17336888
you can still have a political party that represents the workers interests and have the economic sectors ran by the workers democratically where they control the means of production. authoritarianism and democratic centralism of leninism (the politiburo deciding everything) arent prerequisites for socialism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:24:14 2021 No.17336926 >>17333265 is slavery considered a culture?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:25:00 2021 No.17336936 >>17336888 Federations and unions of unions

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:25:37 2021 No.17336938 >>17336936 Also computer technology would make this far easier than ever before.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:26:27 2021 No.17336947 >>17336888 It's irrelevant speculation really. Utopian at that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:27:48 2021 No.17336959 i went on a 6 month marxist reading binge. it just makes you realize everything sucks and things are hopeless. the best we can hope for is like bernie fucking sanders or something.

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Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:31:04 2021 No.17336984

>>17336919
>Even the tankies put effort into their posts when they call you retarded in a four paragraph long historical context
sounds like heaven compared to reading 100 trillion dead 5 times a day. from what little time ive spend on bunkerchan as of now i also got the feeling that its only ever theory being discussed, which is a bit bland sometimes. some anti intellectual kids doesnt seem so bad.
>The capitulation of social media monopolies was really the end of it all. I miss honest to god active forums. Maybe we should just go outsi- oh fuck the rona. God damn it.
amen. it really does get tiring. thanks for taking the time to write this, ill go and see what bunkerchan has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:35:31 2021 No.17337031 >>17336959 I went on a six month anarchy binge and I realised there is hope and things can be so much better than they are.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:35:56 2021 No.17337035

>>17336959
in current america yeah, bernie is the best thing on offer right now. but i have a feeling that class consciousness is on the rise. genuine left wing media is getting more and more popular, polls show that belief in capitalism is dropping and many people are extremely angry, just not at the right target yet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:36:59 2021 No.17337039 >>17333265 Do you not realize that capitalism is by necessity apolitical and culturally agnostic?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:38:19 2021 No.17337053

>>17336984
bunkerchan has some theory discussion but there is also a lot of meme shitposting. its got a a lax attitude towards un pc stuff, but they dont like full on race j00z tranny debate autism because it just becomes a shitshow fast. there's definitely more effort posts though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:38:59 2021 No.17337058 >>17333273 enbies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 15:45:55 2021 No.17337126 >>17337031 Best recs? At this point I'm firmly convinced that building community outside the participation of technology, corporations, or government really is the solution to our long list of crises.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:01:50 2021 No.17337262

>>17337126
>The Conquest of Bread, Mutual Aid and The Historic Role of the State by Kropotkin
>Anarchy by Malatesta
>The ABC of Communist Anarchism by Berkman
>Anarchism and Other Essays by Goldman
>Post Scarcity Anarchism and The Ecology of Freedom by Bookchin
>Autonomy, Solidarity, Possibility and Anarchy in Action by Ward
>Anarchy Works by Gelderloos

These are all good basic anarchist books. All pretty easy to read and cover the basic thought and ideas of anarchism. If you want some recs for other sects of anarchism, like syndicalism, anti-work or anti-civ, I can give those too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:16:15 2021 No.17337386 >>17337262 I still haven't finished infinite jest, how am I supposed to get through that list of 7. Ugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:28:16 2021 No.17337500 >>17334870 methinks you are quite foolish

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:30:23 2021 No.17337521 >>17334835 no, the industrial revolution is the reason for that. leftism is the brain sucking parasite slowly killing it.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 16:40:40 2021 No.17337610

>>17337521
Technological advacement is the onky thing that matters.
Capitalism is a means of distributing that technology.
Butyou cant expect people to maje breakthroughs if theyre worried about money all the time.
And in modern day america all people think about is money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:40:47 2021 No.17338097 >>17337386 That's 7 authors sorry, there's actually 11 books there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:49:19 2021 No.17338149 >>17335178 this doesn't make you a communist you fucking moron hahahahaha fucking hell why are 30+ year old boomers so retarded try reading a book you fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:51:00 2021 No.17338168 >>17338149 man you guys really suck at reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:51:18 2021 No.17338171 File: 72 KB, 750x750, 1601430055428.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335511 hahahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:52:56 2021 No.17338184 >>17333319 >multvariate analysis desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:58:38 2021 No.17338229 >>17338171 >what made you a communist? >i got involved in anti-war activism what am i missing? i just wish all of the enemy were this flagrantly retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 17:59:52 2021 No.17338244 >>17338229 meant for >>17338168

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:00:57 2021 No.17338251 >>17338229 dude, are you sure you capable of understanding marx if you can't infer that i got into communism after getting get exposed to it by way of the anti-war movement. learn to fucking read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:04:00 2021 No.17338271 >>17338251 the anti war shit is irrelevant, its like enviromentalism. I think were past that point. I think the problem is people being worth hundreds of billions of dollars and influencing politics while they outsource all the jobs. That part.

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:04:47 2021 No.17338279

>>17338251
No, because he literally asked what made you a communist and that's how you replied. Most anti-war protesters are just run of the mill liberals, probably much like you were. And if you weren't, I'd love to know what drew you to marxism other than being anti-war.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:05:45 2021 No.17338286 >>17333265 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:05:49 2021 No.17338287 >>17338279 you have never been to an anti-war demonstration have you? haha some marxist

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:08:48 2021 No.17338308

>>17338271
>caring about jobs being outsourced
>not caring about imperialist war
now you sound like a liberal, i mean hell, even democrats opposed nafta but not the iraq war lmao and you call yourself a marxist, communism is stupid, but you aren't even up to speed on your own movement, what an idiot

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:16:52 2021 No.17338360

>>17334835
Rightoids eternally BTFO. Worker's parties and organizations which have been explicitly left wing are the reasons so many worker protections exist today. If any of these retards actually read about what manufactories were like in the late 1700s through the 1800s and how they treated workers, they'd realize how absolutely toxic and poisonous unfettered capital is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:18:30 2021 No.17338371 >>17338360 well good thing we dont live in unfettered capitalism then and instead have a democratic state that sets the rules and regulation by which commerce shall be conducted unlike, say, communist china

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:20:07 2021 No.17338379 >>17338371 >rules and regulation by which commerce shall be conducted Yes. Leftism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:21:53 2021 No.17338387 >>17333290 Then you aren't a leftist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 18:23:31 2021 No.17338399 >>17338287 ok liberal

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 20:42:08 2021 No.17339464 >>17338416 Nothing he said glows retard. He spoke the truth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:00:46 2021 No.17339612 >>17333265 THE guy you posted would disagree and bullied nigger cultures

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:08:51 2021 No.17339670 >>17334735 >guy posts essentially same thing you just said >t. has not read Marx

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:09:55 2021 No.17339675 >>17333265 > Capitalism is a culture Imagine being this dumb

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:11:27 2021 No.17339685 >>17333265 capitalism is a mode of production wtf

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:12:56 2021 No.17339696 >>17335027 It’s the same shit because apparently communists are too stupid to understand it the first time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:13:42 2021 No.17339702 >>17333265 >17333333

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:14:45 2021 No.17339708 >>17333333

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:18:04 2021 No.17339729 >>17336936 So the Articles of Confederation with more unions?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:19:33 2021 No.17339744 >>17336959 >”I brainwashed myself by not allowing myself to absorb a diverse set of views and now I’m sad”

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:29:45 2021 No.17339830 >>17333265 Did you read actually read any of Marx or is this a facebook meme?

Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:32:51 2021 No.17339859

>>17333298
Yeah anti-colonialism is now considered "Marxist", but Marx would had thought it was utopian. He was really an accelerationist. He wanted capitalism to proliferate until it collapsed through its internal contradictions. Lenin and every "Marxist" movement inspired by the soviets wanted to somehow skip capitalism, which makes no fucking sense and that's why it was a society in denial of it's reality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:41:40 2021 No.17339920 >>17333267 woah embrace tolerance brah

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 21:59:07 2021 No.17340026 >>17333273 It’s vaild to touch a boob

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:00:25 2021 No.17340039 >>17333362 Why did you write this like you were trying to mimic rupi kaur?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:03:32 2021 No.17340053 >>17335127 >it will just become some kind of hindu nationalist fascism. >become It’s all so painfully real bro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:06:17 2021 No.17340074 File: 49 KB, 301x108, B707ED41-EB47-4657-8D3D-72533D39A838.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17335242 All cultures celebrate some form of violence. Violence is cool as hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:07:52 2021 No.17340084 >>17335850 >implying China isn’t capitalist in current year

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:09:29 2021 No.17340095 File: 40 KB, 480x640, A40E6D79-43C8-43BB-8954-A2D09D7FA5F5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17336202 Oh hey, it’s a Falun Gong cultist. Nice seeing you here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:13:06 2021 No.17340116 Carl Marx killed 6 billion white men in the Paris Commune

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 20 22:17:49 2021 No.17340145 >>17335051 Wow russians are retards. This certainly proves... ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:08:07 2021 No.17340883 >>17339464 >I don't support culture that stones women for leaving the house, sorry pal you arent a leftist >you aren't a leftist hmm I wonder why he is trying to turn leftists on eachother for no reason?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:41:23 2021 No.17341047 >ITT idiots who think a political or economic system isn't "culture" Culture isn't paintings and TV shows you fucking morons

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:44:48 2021 No.17341064 >>17333265 You got it all wrong. Marx was pro capitalism. Reading his works and concluding that he was anti-capitalist is the simplistic, undergrad tier reading imaginable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:47:50 2021 No.17341080 >>17341064 im at the part of das capital where he talks about people who work at pottery who are dwarfs because of the toxic fumes. It hardly sounds pro capitalism to me...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 00:50:28 2021 No.17341099 >>17341080 >t. undergrad Marx was all about capitalist maximalism i.e. taking it to its natural limits.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 02:26:57 2021 No.17341548 >>17336959 Maybe you should read 'Prometheus Rising' so you can reveal your programming to yourself, break free from ideological possession and become a human being instead of a sad-sack robot bolshevik?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 02:56:41 2021 No.17341633 >>17340074 It's always total dweebs who've never been in a violent situation who say this. Never sparred, never been to a range, never been in a fight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 03:04:24 2021 No.17341649 I actually reread what the op wrote lol Capitalism has a culture, its that of gayness, vanity, rap/rock and gluttony among other things. Its a culture nonetheless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 03:11:42 2021 No.17341669 >>17333319 Go listen to JBP say "multivariant" one more time anon it really does make you sound smart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:32:49 2021 No.17342199 >>17333290 You will never be a woman.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:33:54 2021 No.17342201 To the commies ITT: Post body with timestamp.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 05:34:11 2021 No.17342205 >>17333290 >OMG ISLAM IS SO FUCKING EPIC dilates

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 06:06:06 2021 No.17342319 File: 36 KB, 554x960, 1608590711251.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17333290 >and i don't believe all cultures are valid Ok

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 06:32:43 2021 No.17342432 >>17338184 >>17341669 Damn, you guys are right. The answer to all my woes was "capitalism bad". The villain behind every evil was capitalism all along.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 07:17:48 2021 No.17342618 >>17341649 That just sounds like America

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 08:37:28 2021 No.17342968 >>17333265 Can't believe such an invalid shit thread made 200 posts. Capitalism is not a culture you dimwit OP. If you are trolling, good job. 200 posts with minimal intellectual investment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 09:42:59 2021 No.17343332 >>17333265 >capitalism is a “culture,” not an economic system that in turn influences culture I’m begging you, please just read Marx

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 10:12:02 2021 No.17343550 >>17334960 >>17335027 communism kills your own people fascism kills jews

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:01:09 2021 No.17344399 >>17333265 lmao imagine believing in a system that is so weak that it has never been established and upheld in any country that is of significance.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:07:18 2021 No.17344452

>>17333265
t. never read marx

>Now, sickening as it must be to human feeling to witness those myriads of industrious patriarchal and inoffensive social organizations disorganized and dissolved into their units, thrown into a sea of woes, and their individual members losing at the same time their ancient form of civilization, and their hereditary means of subsistence, we must not forget that these idyllic village-communities, inoffensive though they may appear, had always been the solid foundation of Oriental despotism, that they restrained the human mind within the smallest possible compass, making it the unresisting tool of superstition, enslaving it beneath traditional rules, depriving it of all grandeur and historical energies. We must not forget the barbarian egotism which, concentrating on some miserable patch of land, had quietly witnessed the ruin of empires, the perpetration of unspeakable cruelties, the massacre of the population of large towns, with no other consideration bestowed upon them than on natural events, itself the helpless prey of any aggressor who deigned to notice it at all. We must not forget that this undignified, stagnatory, and vegetative life, that this passive sort of existence evoked on the other part, in contradistinction, wild, aimless, unbounded forces of destruction and rendered murder itself a religious rite in Hindostan. We must not forget that these little communities were contaminated by distinctions of caste and by slavery, that they subjugated man to external circumstances instead of elevating man the sovereign of circumstances, that they transformed a self-developing social state into never changing natural destiny, and thus brought about a brutalizing worship of nature, exhibiting its degradation in the fact that man, the sovereign of nature, fell down on his knees in adoration of Kanuman, the monkey, and Sabbala, the cow.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 12:35:39 2021 No.17344698

>>17333290
>if i did then i wouldn't oppose backward intolerant/violent cultures

Left-wing societies are the most backward, intolerant and violent of cultures, categorically and without reservation. I mean just Backwards--You guys murder your own babies in the womb, beat people up in the streets for thinking that letting foreigners invade you is bad, and have crime rates comparable to African countries.

This is to say nothing of your mass famines. I have to give it to Mao, Stalin and Lenin, they successfully murdered, what, 200 million communists between them just by being bad at their jobs? I don't really count those as murders since Leftists aren't human. You're more like animals who resemble humans, but who don't believe in property rights, and thus don't have them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:52:22 2021 No.17345487 >>17341633 I guess the world is full of total dweebs then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 13:54:50 2021 No.17345502 >>17333290 Why would you choose to be a leftist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:05:37 2021 No.17345591 Individuals are not born equal and do not deserve equally, but should be treated by government in a capacity that affords them equal opportunity to earn what they deserve.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:07:12 2021 No.17345601 >>17345591 I was with you until "deserve" because that's the only point that you turn an is into an ought and you don't define what that value judgement system for what they deserve is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:07:22 2021 No.17345603 >>17333265 >every political stance is worthless sideology >except mine of course xDDDD

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:08:42 2021 No.17345612 >>17333265 >ion like dis philosophy >says sumthin ion like >yell "misstep" on anonymous board >ebic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:10:03 2021 No.17345627 >>17333265 Unironically bother understanding Hegel. Read his wikipedia page or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:12:03 2021 No.17345650 >>17345627 This is the single mention to him on this entire fucking thread. The state of this fucking board.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:12:31 2021 No.17345656 >>17333294 do you really think the soviets thought highly of cultures which had never invented the wheel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:48:28 2021 No.17346036 >>17343550 How many Rotschilds killed in the nazi camps again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 14:53:01 2021 No.17346079 >>17344698 Schizo

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 15:44:03 2021 No.17346512 >>17345603 Literally the whole point of Marx is that proletarians necessarily have no political interest, politics are a game of the owner class and of the aspiring bourgeoisie.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 15:58:12 2021 No.17346610

>>17333265
They also ignore Marx's entire inability to explain how communism will work in any detail. He identifies a bunch of real problems, blames capitalism while almost always leaving out how the State is mostly to blame, then says if we kill the rich things will just work out.
How will houses get built? How will sewage be treated? How will supply chains work? Why will anybody spend time increasing their human capital if there's no reward? How will crime be handled? How will state authoritarianism be kept in check?
These questions have no marxian answer because there is none. It's just "Dude it'll work out"

There's also a huge fallacy of this marxist eutopian world government where somehow the states power and oppressive capability grows and grows and grows then reaches some "event horizon" where everyone's free again and the state is powerless. There's evidence this could happen, there's no evidence that it has happened, there's no explanation for how/why this would occur, just "Dude it'll work out"

Marx is a meme only.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 16:05:20 2021 No.17346675 Communism and capitalism are both irrelevant now. Neither will ever exist ever again in any meaningful way. Digital MMT and decentralized crypto solutions are the future paradigm of eocnomic policy and you are an econ pseud if you can't see it yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 17:13:28 2021 No.17347268 >>17344698 you're so full of cold war propaganda it makes me sick

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 17:19:01 2021 No.17347311 >>17346610 t. has never read marx or lenin

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:36:43 2021 No.17347868 >>17346610 Try reading Marx. Then read Cockshott and Lenin.

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 18:45:48 2021 No.17347924
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>>17342201
Commie here. Here's the last progress pic I took. No timestamp; cbf taking another. Reverse search it or whatever.
Now of course proper protocol would be for you to post body if you weren't a coward, but I won't be holding my breath.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:07:09 2021 No.17348058 File: 471 KB, 1441x2048, df8ef7e11cc39735436f0dfe97ad4c94-imagejpeg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17344698 >muh 100 gorillion

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:20:27 2021 No.17348143

>>17333265
Capitalism is a culture? How can anyone be so retarded or did i just get fished?
Capitalism is a mode of production and has nothing to do with culture except maybe its germination. What do you think what "all that is solid melts into air" means? Capitalism destroys cultures. This is what communists like about cultures. Real comminists are universalists. We critique any culture if it doesnt hold up to our universal standards, may it be islam, fascism or traditionalism.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:29:53 2021 No.17348209 >>17347924 this guy gives off short vibes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:32:49 2021 No.17348236 >>17346610 >>17347868 -----+> www.designing-history.world Look for philipp dapprichs work called principles of a socialist economy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:33:17 2021 No.17348242 >>17333265 >capitalism is culture >feudalism is culture >slave societies are culture >mercantilism is culture >palace economies are culture

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:34:09 2021 No.17348248 >>17348058 Now control for the number of countries following each ideology and remove the brown countries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 19:35:04 2021 No.17348252 >>17348242 Unironically yes. Culture is more than tv shows and slang terms.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:09:53 2021 No.17348511 >>17348209 5'11

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 20:12:15 2021 No.17348537 >>17348248 >remove the brown countries the countries which were raped by colonialism? why?

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:18:26 2021 No.17348889
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>>17348537
>invent awesome technology and political philosophy
>try to share it with those less fortunate
>eventually get asked to leave so you do
>rape
Ask me how I know that you have a npc-tier understanding of history.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:32:03 2021 No.17348982 >capitalism is culture never heard this one before

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 21:58:11 2021 No.17349135 >>17344399 >lmao imagine believing in a system that is so weak that it has never been established and upheld in any country that is of significance. How about Spain, retard? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia

Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:21:39 2021 No.17349287

>>17348889
>Colonisation was a christian missionary-esque endeavour
hahaha holy shit this is a level of cope that only a porky or obedient porky lapdog can reach.
How's about I come over to your house for a sleepover party? I'll bring my xbox. You use the shitty controller. Oh and I'm stealing all your shit while I'm there. You can't complain, remember that 20 bucks you owe me? Yeah well this is repayment. BTW you still owe me 20 bucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 21 22:25:57 2021 No.17349314 >>17349135 >existed as long as a typical Netflix original series >in a backwater >during a war >"established...upheld...significant"

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:12:01 2021 No.17349896

>>17337610
>Technological advacement is the onky thing that matters.
>Capitalism is a means of distributing that technology.
>Butyou cant expect people to maje breakthroughs if theyre worried about money all the time.
Actually you can. Engineering is what makes almost all the breakthroughs and they're not a bunch of salty little pussies with meme degrees so they get payed well
>And in modern day america all people think about is money.
And miraculously, america is several decades more advanced than cuba, north korea or venezuela

Commie dogma does not advance tech. STEM does and the people who work in STEM have both the means and the Negotiating power to not live in shithole commie countries.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:13:52 2021 No.17349902 >>17348143 >We critique any culture if it doesnt hold up to our universal standards No fucks given. Your universal standards are trash, just like everything else about your religious cult that masquerades as a philosophy

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:17:55 2021 No.17349917

>>17349135
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia
Isn't that really just a case of Catalan separatists? Same case with the Kurds. It's really some language group that wants autonomy, not some leftist ideal. Nothing more than nationalism, ironically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:26:04 2021 No.17349946 File: 125 KB, 753x1600, h4rzrhrbcko31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17349896 >Commie dogma does not advance tech.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:28:49 2021 No.17349954 >>17349946 I guess the US was too busy developing technology that could actually help them win the cold war which they did. Womp womp.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:40:29 2021 No.17350008 >>17349954 and what tech was that exactly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 00:47:15 2021 No.17350035 >>17349954 >help them win the cold war you mean the CIA staging coups

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:48:52 2021 No.17350536

>>17347924
Imagine going to the gym multiple days a week for months on end while others lay around getting fat. Imagine spending the extra time cooking proper meals while other eat garbage and indulge themselves. Imagine looking in the mirror after years of this behavior, reaping the rewards of the seeds the you sow while the masses reject self improvement in lue of stagnation and decline. Imagine doing all of this and still believing that no man deserves more than his neighbor. That a society should not reward his hard work but society IS OWED his hard work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:51:05 2021 No.17350550 >>17350536 socialists believe that people need help to get ahead and poverty wont encourage them to improve

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:55:48 2021 No.17350569 >>17333267 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:59:07 2021 No.17350580 >>17350550 True, but I was referring to communism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 02:59:31 2021 No.17350583 >>17334795 Except labour theory of value. Checkmate ancaps

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 04:53:52 2021 No.17351095 >>17348143 nice equivocation dumb fuck

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:16:40 2021 No.17351194
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>>17350536
I know where you're are coming from, but I think you misinterpret our current situation.
>A society should not reward his hard work but society IS OWED his hard work.
This is where we currently are. As a worker, I work hard, and the capitalist is entitled to my hard work in the form of surplus value. The only reward for being a hard worker is that there is a chance that one day when my best years are already behind me, I can be the capitalist who is entitled to the hard work of others, but that isn't guaranteed even for someone like me with a good work ethic and a good head on my shoulders. Some people, like my parents (teacher and nurse), bust their asses all their lives and are lucky to earn 80k a year by the end of their career. Amongst the nature of their profession and their duties to raise a family (of 5 in my case), they were not destined for the ultimate reward of being the capitalist that reaps value from others or even to break into the ranks of the labour aristocracy.

I'm fortunate, however, to have been born into an educated household, to be educated well myself, and to have access to healthcare. Some people don't get any of that by way of purely shit luck which makes it extremely difficult to get ahead as >>17350550 said. While there are fatasses that have all of those things, studies have repeatedly shown that there is correlation between education and health and obviously between access to healthcare and health. And as the evidence continues to show, a healthy and educated population leads to greater national welfare across the board. So if I want to live in an educated, happy and healthy society, then I WILL owe that society my hard work. From something something to his ability, to something something his needs

In the meantime, I'll continue to work hard for both myself and so that I may one day lift up my fellow man, and they the next person.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:17:14 2021 No.17351198

What's with people flanderizing socialism? Did cold war propaganda enter your DNA?

Marxism is set of values, not an enforced system. Just like Liberalism. Both USSR and now US make the mistake of thinking that these ideas are actually enforced systems, which deviating means "worse than death", and that's why USSR met it's fate and now US even with new realities of monopolization phase of capitalism, or the capital political tyranny that parasiting of the people and state and creating transnational empire of financial capital where states serve as mere institution of implementation of the capitals power, they can't change.

All these so called "leftists" in the west are actually liberals and not amount of changing the thesis can change that.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:23:47 2021 No.17351214

>>17351194
Income inequality is inherent, because the world is unfair, and it is a such under these realities limitations. Fairness can only come at dehumanizing price of the singularity or post scarcity cattle society.

Wanting better life all around you is not a proponent of capitalism or socialism or anything, it is being a good human being. These economic policies are meant as a tool to navigate realities of social-economic-technological paradigms in order to maximize quality and fulfillment of every person.

What you say and what you concern with is human essence, and don't fall for seething extremist individualists who seek freedom of dopamine pursuit (which leads to tranys etc) or those hiveminders cattle tha will come in the future as technology makes it possible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:48:45 2021 No.17351299 >>17334835 >home at weekends Christianity >holidays Christianity again, leftists for most of those abolished. >paid sick and maternal leave first is Christianity, the second women shouldn't work anyway >freed milions killed billions.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 05:51:35 2021 No.17351305

>>17351214
>Fairness can only come at dehumanizing price of the singularity or post scarcity cattle society.
The point of becoming a dehumanized post scarcity cattle society came and went 40 years ago when we became the corporate lapdogs we are.

>economic policies are meant as a tool to navigate realities of social-economic-technological paradigms in order to maximize quality and fulfillment of every person.
Capitalism fundamentally contradicts this though, does it not? When the name of the game is profit maximisation, there's no way today's corporations will ever allow for the maximisation of quality and fulfillment of every person if it so much as chips a cent off of their bottom line. If and/or when some substantial policy does pass that better serves the masses, lobbyists ensure that it's delivered in some compromised fashion or is chipped back slowly but surely until it's a husk of what it used to be. Obamacare, for example, is a mess that only curbed the very worst of the healthcare issue, and even this sad excuse for a solution is day by day subjected to lobbyists who seek to repeal it entirely. Give (shittily) with one hand, take with the other.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:11:58 2021 No.17351388

>>17351305
I see the proponents of corpotarist financial tyranny as a parallel to the medievalism, except this time as enlightenment curtailed the clergy and abolished the king, only burghers and merchants survived. Unironically it was Communists and Fascists who wanted to finish enlightenment of the human civilization and tame the capital for the purpose of the state and people. Of course WW2 happened and Cold War with it's proponents happened too.

In the end we were stuck with the liberalistic world order and corporatists states. It's by no chance these corporatists states are called """""democracies"""" (even though US is not, for the good reasons as Fathers did ironically predict that this would happen). Having a unipolar world 1991-2010s and ideological monopoly it though it was perfect and unbreakable, but then new realities and events unfolded which liberalistic dogma and corporate regimes cannot cope with ( for instance recession is natural phase of the economy, problem is that many of the elites are at risk of losing everything and their influence so they lobbied the state to bail them out, which leaves them invincible to economic realities at the expense of the people). Then goes the cultural, demographic, social etc... problems which under strict liberalistic regimes nothing can even be perceived as problems, not to say coped with.

Solution these corporatist regimes implement is "Media privatization of censorship" (not bad if corp is doing it ;), creating fake identity disunity, fragmentation, creating micro identities of every imaginable sexual fetish etc.. actually stiring racial tensions etc... making dumb population beg the corps for protection of what they perceive "evil" etc...

Lot more and more shit. Trump succes was just disatisfaction with the liberalistic dogma ( even though he is yesterdays liberal), as evident even with Bernie voters who rather voted for him than what corps set up. Now Biden is continuation of complete capitals control over the state. He offers nothing, he will give nothing and as one can see he hopes things will just go under the rug (they wont), and by he I mean politcal structure of the capital behind him.

Conclusion is that will be fixed until US gets a reality check like USSR.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:14:58 2021 No.17351406 >>17351214 Your perspective is based on fundamental competition, and so the issue is whether or not the rules that individuals compete with each other are "fair" or not. Your ideology has left you unable to even imagine cooperation and mutualism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:16:23 2021 No.17351413 >>17351388 >as evident even with Bernie voters who rather voted for him than what corps set up This is a complete right-wing fantasy. You're a deceitful snake.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:19:47 2021 No.17351422

>>17351413
See. There is no left wing or right wing. There are people misguided, scared or forced to vote for corpotare supremacy, and there are people against it.

It's is shallowness of falling for propaganda that a trany health adviser makes any single real difference in the US. This is a inherent mistake that can be leraned through looking at meta, or by feeling the consequences.

If you are right or left wing, then Biden is your bro, although if you are outside of the circus then he is worst thing in existence, rather what he represents.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:22:39 2021 No.17351436 >>17351388 A good assessment >>17351413 What? He isn't wrong despite bernie being a radlib

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:22:48 2021 No.17351438 >>17351422 This is what happens when you engage in sophistic mental gymnastics so much that is becomes instinct. 4chan has truly rotted your brain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:23:17 2021 No.17351440 >>17334938 The Taliban

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:27:57 2021 No.17351461 >>17351436 "Bernie Bros for Trump" was propaganda pushed by Trump supporters to try to demoralize the dem base and discourage them from voting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:31:53 2021 No.17351474 >>17351422 Your agenda is to provide rationalization for the violent overthrow of democratic governments. You don't have to make the call to action yourself, you just give the justification for it.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:36:47 2021 No.17351494

>>17351461
The majority of bernie voters who were actual communists (read: not radical liberals) saw it this way though. Bernie is far from being a socialist in spite of conservatives and the media trying to paint him so, but why would they vote for the establishment candidate after what they did to Bernie? To express that they don't mind what they did? To maintain the status quo some more?
Communists voting for trump was very real, and very justified. At the end of the day, it came down to voting for bourgeois candidate A or B, and they voted for trump as a fuck you to the DNC.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:39:50 2021 No.17351510

What is your message?
Voting doesn't matter. Democracy is a farce. The Evil Elites control everything, and use you like cattle for their own selfish advantage.
What the hell kind of action is implied besides organizing and overthrowing the Evil Elites?
The purpose this serves is encouraging violent civil conflict and war.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:42:06 2021 No.17351518 >>17351510 Who wants to see violent conflict and civil war in Western democracies? What interests does this serve?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:43:23 2021 No.17351522 >>17351494 >voting for a literal fascist to say fuck you to the DNC. And you call this "leftism," LMAO.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:44:04 2021 No.17351524 >>17351522 >thinking trump is a facist liberal detected

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:48:37 2021 No.17351542

>>17351524
Trump just literally attempted to overthrow American democracy the last few months by claiming the election was rigged and seeking to remain in power. He sucked at it, and failed spectacularly, but he tried his best to do so.

The only people who are buying "Trump isn't a fascist" now are either complete idiots or actual fascists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:48:48 2021 No.17351543 >>17351522 >MUH FACISM It's so much easier to hate liberals than it is conservatives. Conservatives are based retards, liberals are plain retards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:51:37 2021 No.17351548 >>17351543 You haven't updated your talking points to make them at least remotely plausible in any way whatsoever.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:52:14 2021 No.17351552

>>17351542
you really think that his little tantrum was anything more than a song and dance to appease his base? only retard liberals bought into the spectacle that he was going to illegitimately hold on to the office.
>WE GOT HIM OUT GUYS! DEMOCRACY IS ONCE MORE AND PROTECTED! WE CAN FINALLY GO BACK TO NORMAL!
hahahaha give me a break

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:55:02 2021 No.17351566 >>17351552 >He was just pretending to be a fascist. >By doing everything a fascist would try to do. >LMAO, fooled you!

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:58:56 2021 No.17351579

>>17351566
I wonder if you consider Obama a fascist. For the people on thr middle east, he clearly was given that he killed more people there than any other american president.
Also, no fascist in history has been ever removed by a simple presidential election, but always via a revolution.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 06:59:30 2021 No.17351580 File: 6 KB, 190x266, faggotlol.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17351566 I think a real facist would have done more than throw a tantrum on twitter then tell his base to stop rioting and go home.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:02:04 2021 No.17351591

>>17351579
There we go with the race to generate endless false equivalences.
It's amazing how the so-called "leftists" here use the same exact talking point as far-righters. It's almost as if they aren't actually leftists, and are just pretending to be such to play rhetorical games.
But we all know nobody would ever do that on 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:04:39 2021 No.17351604 >>17351591 you need to read some theory bucko, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:05:53 2021 No.17351612 >>17333267 Name an invalid culture

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:06:28 2021 No.17351616 >>17351604 nobody needs to read theory if something appears do retarded that you have to hypnotize yourself into reading tons and tons of supplemental material every day to believe it perhaps it's just retarded and fallacious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:08:00 2021 No.17351623 >>17351616 you sound young, hopefully you grow out of this

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:13:46 2021 No.17351643 >>17351623 you sound embarrassingly stupid, unfortunately you won't grow out of this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:15:33 2021 No.17351655 File: 50 KB, 680x600, 9ce5070ac7f199fa1779d29fa598e75f-imagejpeg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17351643

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:16:10 2021 No.17351659 >>17351623 >>17351643 You're both idiots for different reasons.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:18:56 2021 No.17351679 >>17333265 real american hours in this thread God, burgermutts are seriously retarded. They have zero understanding of any of the terms and concepts they throw around

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:19:42 2021 No.17351683 >>17333265 the uncontrollable seethe permeating this thread by rightoids towards orthodox marxists is at the heights of hilarity

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:21:53 2021 No.17351698 >>17333265 >>all cultures are valid never said that >>except capitalism capitalism is an economic system not a culture retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:23:54 2021 No.17351707 >>17334938 whats know as pastoralist culture, think Arabic or Scots-Irish

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:24:07 2021 No.17351708 >>17351659 >>17351679 >>17351683 lol yeah true Correct the Record raid time lol. Go back to your master, quislings.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:25:08 2021 No.17351713

>>17351474
You are delusional retard that think we have peaked the political life and that society are forever going to be 50-70 technologically and economically that justifies violent implementation of a inflexible system that very few benefit from and relly existentially on.

you are source of all misery and lack of progress, and as such you get to enjoy the benefits of your own extremism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:26:05 2021 No.17351721 >>17334973 >Capitalism has brought billions of people out of poverty. 1 fucking dollar and 1 fucking cent

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:40:35 2021 No.17351797 >>17347924 >>17348193 no timestamp = BS post timestamp or stfu

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 07:56:20 2021 No.17351866 >>17351698 this so much

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 08:01:09 2021 No.17351888 File: 738 KB, 1200x1200, 1611320460986.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17340883 >the cia is paying people to call me racist on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 09:55:19 2021 No.17352601 >>17333265 I have certainly been claimed all cultures are valid

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:30:38 2021 No.17354276

>>17351194
>the capitalist is entitled to my hard work
This is objectively wrong. Your work is your own. Unless you are a serf or bound by a work contract, your employer is entitled to nothing. As a laborer you sell your time and effort in exchange for money. An amount of money that is regulated to not drop below a certain amount due to minimum wage. If your argument is that the minimum wage is not high enough, than that is a fair criticism. By your employer is not entitled to your labor because you always have the option to refuse to sell your labor to them. You don't have to work for them. There is nothing keeping you from leaving the area you're in other than the results of your past decisions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 13:56:05 2021 No.17354440 >>17335242 >Cultures which allow or celebrate violence Modern day urban black culture celebrates violence. I'd like to see this self proclaimed "leftist" go to a meeting of fellow "leftists" and state that urban black culture is a problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 14:32:45 2021 No.17354701 By the time I got to the bottom of this thread I forgot that I was on /lit/ One person mentioned Hegel and nobody actually gave recs pertinent to the OP I would have applied to be a janny if I wasn't 17 at the time because this board needs them

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 15:02:21 2021 No.17354876 >>17335242 >Gang Culture so.... black culture?

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:06:02 2021 No.17355280
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>>17354276
>you always have the option to refuse to sell your labor to them. You don't have to work for them.
>just don't work for them then bro
>just acquire the large amount of capital required to start a business that is statistically very likely to fail bro
wtf im a lolbert now

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:37:47 2021 No.17355508 Almost at 300

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 16:41:18 2021 No.17355527 >>17351612 Modern African as in Africa, ""culture"" All the good culture died out centuries ago and all we have is remnants. They somehow went backwards. t. Black man

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:32:35 2021 No.17355973

>>17355280
>hrrr starting business is hard and I can't do something without guaranteed success.
Work for someone else then. Can find a job in your area? Move to another area. Still can find one? Undergo some kind of training or community college program.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:38:29 2021 No.17356012 >>17355973 You're quite the retard aren't you? How does changing employers fix the issue? And I don't want guaranteed success, I want stability.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:54:16 2021 No.17356142

>>17356012
>How does changing employers fix the issue?
What are you even talking about? If you hate your job and the company you work for, Leave it for something that fit more within your values.

>I don't want guaranteed success, I want stability.
And yet you refuse to make that stability yourself. You need it spoon fed to by someone else. You failed a create stability for yourself in a world that offers endless opportunities and second chances. You don't want to rationalize you failures and shit decisions and would rather vindicate those who simply played the game better than you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 17:58:03 2021 No.17356180 >>17356142 You either didn't read what I initially wrote, or you have the reading comprehension of a pre-teen. Either way, you're too retarded to continue this conversation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:01:58 2021 No.17356223 File: 71 KB, 918x704, 1609779705421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17356180 Almost like we're on an anonymous image board where you can't trace the original author of a post or comment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:05:47 2021 No.17356249 >>17333791 Karl Marx is alright with religion, gramsci was pretty pro catholic

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:06:39 2021 No.17356253 File: 214 KB, 1200x900, DW_hG-FVMAAo0uD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17356223 you should consider going back to r*ddit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:11:34 2021 No.17356296 >>17336510 8 hour work day comes from strikes in cleveland in 1886

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:14:11 2021 No.17356315 >>17333265 >capitalism is culture Burgermutts were a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:16:00 2021 No.17356328 >>17336888 Local self governing communities and intense lines of logistics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:18:32 2021 No.17356348 >>17337610 Capitalism is pretty shit at technology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 18:32:43 2021 No.17356482 >>17356142 People rely on their incomes to make critical payments, most everyone can't afford to spend significant (i.e more than one month) unemployed. Especially if you have a family.

Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:20:00 2021 No.17356893

>>17356482
Most everyone also do not know how to live below their means. I grew up poor and lived around mostly poor people. The amount of money people blow on frivolous shit they don't need is ridiculous. If you are in a situation were 100% of your paycheck is going to critical payments you either made several bad decision in your life and now must face the consequences or you've been dealt an extremely bad hand and must do everything in your power to correct that. Most people don't want to do either of those things. They, most of my family included, are content with not doing anything, sulking around in self pity, and blaming the system for all thier problems.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 19:28:01 2021 No.17356949 >>17356249 Marx thought religion only existed to pacify the working class with promises of a false paradise. His materialism was explicitly against any sort of spirituality.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 22 21:49:15 2021 No.17357936 >>17356949 You ever read Marx?

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