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Why can't they write good prose? Their prose is either underwhelming or pretentious, there's no in between.

>> No.17325840
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>>17325813
Come on, OP. Don't be a fucking retard

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Your premise is faulty... President Lincoln's Last Speech in 1865 makes a wonderful allusion to The Prodigal Son in reference to succeeded states. Reagan's 1981 Inaugural Address makes a vague allusion to the Armor of God in Ephesians, etc. It just isn't highly original in nature.

https://geoffsmiscellany.com/rhetoric-and-dialectic/

>> No.17325863

>>17325813
What constitutes "pretentious prose"?

>> No.17325866

>>17325863
DFW

>> No.17325869

They say that Dialectic is cold and factitious speech, whereas Rhetoric is warm but akin to advertising.

>> No.17325878

>>17325813
Pynchon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every other author

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>>17325813

>> No.17325892

Didn't Henry James state that Theophile Gautier's only contributions to Philosophy were a series of genial Commonplaces? It seems like an American observation... it's not really Gautier's perspective at all, but scientific generality wants to see its dialectic filtered through a range of rhetorical effects, and this is the benumbing aspect of American prose.

tl,dr: We respond to Specificity in the Arts, not to scientific Generalities.

>> No.17325901

rent free in ya mind, op

>> No.17325916

>>17325813
Unironically cultural cringe in respect to Europe and bugmen lit

>> No.17326273

Bump

>> No.17326315

>>17325878
Why are Americans so dumb?

>> No.17326912

>>17325878
Baste

>> No.17326919

Henry James?
Melville?
Faulkner?
Pynchon?
Cormac McCarthy?

>> No.17326921

>>17326315
why are Yuros so obsessed?

>> No.17326941

>>17325901
>>17326921
you are a very fine specimen of the sub-species of humanity called American

>> No.17326958

>>17326941
Sub-species of humanity that completely dominates the mind of third worlders around the planet. Says a lot about the actual humans.

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>>17325813
>pretentious
Yes

>> No.17327835

>>17325878
Pynchon isn't read for his prose, nigga.