/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17322010]

People are reading it

[Frank Edward Gardner No.17322334]

>>17322010
..... when they should really be reading ..... my COMPLETE WORKS!!!!! ANY ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17322467]

Been thinking about ordering this, is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.17322474]

>>17322467
It depends what you're expecting to read.
I mean, some people out there think Twilight is worth reading.

[Anonymous No.17322496]

>>17322474
Not sure what to expect really, I enjoyed the few things I have read of Evola. Curious as to how it reads, is it similar to Industrial Society and its Future?

[Anonymous No.17322521]

>>17322496
No, nothing like that. If you enjoyed Evola's other stuff then you will like this. Some of the chapters were very engaging.

[Anonymous No.17322525]

>>17322496
It's been ages since I read it, but no, I don't think that's the best comparison. It's more about placing the roles of tradition and countertradition in an overarching metahistorical schema, of placing tradition within the world as opposed to speaking of it more abstractly or personally.
On another note, I read Guénon's 'The Crisis of the Modern World' having read a bunch of Evola, and it didn't really add anything new to what I'd got from Evola or other authors, but Guénon's 'The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times' is a fantastic book too.

[Anonymous No.17322535]

>>17322467
You might as well before Amazon eventually pulls all of Evola's books from its store.

[Anonymous No.17322546]

>>17322535
>buying from Amazon
I stopped buying books on Amazon the moment I realised they'd delisted Dugin. Haven't looked back since... nor have I actually read Dugin yet.

[Anonymous No.17322588]

>>17322546
>People are reading Political Platonism
Pretty comfy desu, although every time Dugin starts talking about Heidegger and half the time he talks about the Traditionalists he really reveals his schizo power level.

[Anonymous No.17322595]

>>17322588
Amazon delisting The Fourth Political Theory I could kinda get from an information control perspective, but wtf were they at delisting his book on Heidegger? That just seems petty.

[Anonymous No.17322608]

>>17322010
Tried to read it, sucked ass

[Anonymous No.17322655]

>>17322334
Lmao
Good impression of that schizo

[Anonymous No.17322710]

>>17322595
it's just a classic case of muh deplatforming etc being used to ruin an ideological outlier

[Anonymous No.17322982]

>>17322467
I came away from it thinking that Evola had some interesting ideas, but that it would probably be more worthwhile to read the works he's talking about so that you're not just taking in Evola's synthesis.

[Anonymous No.17324675]

>>17322467
Not really

I suggest Spengler or Vico, though Vico is pretty dry

[Anonymous No.17325434]

>>17322467
Yes, but the book is pretty expensive on Book Depository for my country. Something like 40EUR, still it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.17325436]

>>17322010
Why would I read anything from a guy who thinks magic is real?

[Anonymous No.17325478]

>>17325436
Look at this guy, he thinks magic isn't real.

[Anonymous No.17325484]

>>17322010
But are they understanding it?

[Anonymous No.17325485]

>>17322010
The only thing to take away from Evola is that voices of the past are irreverent.

Change my mind.

[Anonymous No.17325491]

>>17322546
>Haven't looked back since... nor have I actually read Dugin yet.

[Anonymous No.17325955]

>>17325436
You've literally been filtered by the title of an essay collection, congratulations.
>>17325485
What do you want me to do lol? You're literally just wrong. The present proceeds from the past.

[Anonymous No.17326145]

>>17322467
Tried ride the tiger and it was pretty dense. I think I need to read the works he talks about first to truly grasp what he is trying to say

[Anonymous No.17326172]

>>17326145
Ride the Tiger is absolutely not the first Evola book you should read. It's one of the last. You'd be better reading a lot more, as well as by other authors, by reading Ride the Tiger.

[Anonymous No.17326176]

>>17326145
>>17326145
*before reading Ride the Tiger

[Anonymous No.17326178]

>>17322496
Ultratraditionalism

[Anonymous No.17326187]

>>17326145
>>17326172
You can read his essay collections first if you'd like, they're comparatively pretty light reading, although some will be incomprehensible without the background of his books. Just don't content yourself just with the essays, though.

[Anonymous No.17326192]

>>17325436
>thinks big boomboom create mans brain

[Anonymous No.17326270]

>>17322010
>People are reading it

Poltards aren't people

[Anonymous No.17326303]

>>17326270
Cope

[Anonymous No.17326325]

>>17326303
>I think in memes

Case in point

[Anonymous No.17326328]

>>17326325
Literally cope, wow

[Anonymous No.17326338]

>>17326328
>Check and mate

[Anonymous No.17326369]

>>17326338
>"you're not people"
>"you think in memes"
>"y-you've been check mated!"
holy mother of cope, anon do you do anything other than bask in your own sad assertions?

[Anonymous No.17326378]

>>17326270
I'm reading it and I'm pretty far from an ideologue of any variety.

[Anonymous No.17326380]

>>17326369
>cope
>cope
>cope

Heh i sure told him. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.17326397]

>>17326270
At least right-wingers do their homework.
Meanwhile leftists are stuck in their pseudo-puritan dichotomies.
And then wonder why nobody take them seriously

[Anonymous No.17326406]

>>17326397
Right-wingers don't read. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.17326420]

>>17326380
The blame is not on me for calling out your cope, the blame is on you for coping, anon. What have you done in this thread other than cope? "N-no one reads Evola, he's for chuds!" "Chuds aren't people!" "C-chuds think in memes and like... they're check mated!"
Embarrassing lol.
>>17326397
Bro do leftists actually read? Like I know a lot of them meme Marx, but I am yet to meet any that have actually read him. I know a bunch of communists and they legit only get their "theory" from memes. Had a bunch of guys ask me if the whole "abolition of the family" thing was really something Marx wrote.

[Anonymous No.17326439]

>>17326420
>cope
>chuds

It's like you're unable of thinking without memes

>hehe i check mated him
I obviously used it to convey what YOU were feeling. You're having a hard time today anon, maybe you got a little offended when i said poltards aren't people? Did i hurt your sensitive political feelings?

[Anonymous No.17326453]

>>17326439
>It's like you're unable of thinking without memes
You asserting this with zero proof is precisely why you're coping so much bro.
>I obviously used it to convey what YOU were feeling. You're having a hard time today anon, maybe you got a little offended when i said poltards aren't people? Did i hurt your sensitive political feelings?
No, I am just bored and you're still bumping this thread so I don't really care lol.

[Anonymous No.17326458]

>>17326453
I can't believe you keep going

Poltards are hilarious

[Anonymous No.17326476]

>>17326458
>I can't believe you keep going
ironic

[Anonymous No.17326488]

>>17326476
Let's agree to disagree

[Anonymous No.17326499]

People will read this one book, and then start regurgitating Evola's pretentious prose

[Anonymous No.17326544]

>>17326499
OK anon here's a challenge for you - post a screenshot of "Evola's pretentious prose" and explain why it's pretentious.

[Anonymous No.17326625]

>>17322010
all five of them?

[Anonymous No.17326655]

>>17326458
Literal drone right here.
I bet interacting with him in real life is like turning on a coffe maker

[Anonymous No.17326663]

>>17326406
Leftist are civilization destroyers, sorry.
Here, now I am at your same level.

[Anonymous No.17326782]

I would, but it's banned

[Anonymous No.17326787]

>>17326782
libgen, now

[Anonymous No.17326817]

>>17322010
>>17322467
It's very much worth it but you need to watch out that you don't fall into the evolafag trap.
Like >>17326499 says, plenty of midwits read evola and become pretentious retards.
Pic related is an example.
>>17326406
Funnily enough, you can be a good, ideologically fine right winger without ever reading political philosophy. You can even be a good fascist yet still illiterate. Unlike the left, which is completely dependant on studying theories that only exist on paper.

[Anonymous No.17326905]

>>17326817
Not that anon, but funnily enough I've been wondering whether I should join a church. I'm not religious, and I don't believe, but I'd like to. We have a Russian-Orthodox church here, and I am interested in it, but it feels foreign (I'm Danish). Protestantism is the main Christian stream here, but it's uhh rather liberal. What is Evola's opinion on finding tradition in religion?

[Anonymous No.17327063]

>>17322546
>>17322595
>>17322588
I'm libertarian Marxist and this policy is retarded. You can still get non mainstream books on amazon, but i knew they were going to delist, like youtube, one day or another. Strange that they delisted Dugin, but that you can still find holocaust denial authors or deep state critical authors today. This process of delisting isn't very rational anyway. Like youtube delisting.

[Anonymous No.17327121]

>>17326905
According to Evola, there are no still-existing chains of initiation and tradition anywhere on earth. If you want to be initiated you need to do it completely on your own either via heroic transcendentalism like Junger or read up on old traditions and hope that you understood correctly so you won't go mad like f.e. Nietzsche. Pic semi related.
Others, like f.e. Guenon, disagreed and converted to sects that still carried that chain of initiation and tradition (according to them.)

Personally I think that Evola is right, certainly since it has been decades since Guenon walked the earth so what was still extant for him isn't anymore for us. Joining a church for the community is perfectly fine and many good men and women are still faithful believers. You simply won't find that deeper, transcendental truth. A Russian Orthodox Church probably serves an immigrant community and I don't know if you are truly welcome in that community. You can also look into some more private pagan circles, if you are not opposed to that. These often have a heritage org as front, and give lectures every so often. The organisers are often important figures in the informal, more conservative pagan circles. If you show interest they might invite you to a bbq or some other outing and that's your way in.

Again, as a community these are perfectly fine institutions. As places of mystery and initiation they come up short.

[Anonymous No.17327134]

>>17326905
Evola is a bit of an outlier among the Traditionalists in that he doesn't like Christianity very much. He concedes some Traditional features to it and considers it a doctrine based on the perennial wisdom, but in his eyes Christianity is profoundly unsuitable for Indo-European peoples. As a perennialist, Evola believed that all valid religions are manifestations of the same truth in different form, but that the form itself can be suitable to a people to various degrees. Evola did not believe that there were any religious forms suitable for Europeans today and instead hoped to restore Tradition to Europe through a more secular path, by infusing the state with the quality of transcendence. The other Traditionalists had different views. Guenon was hoping to reform the Catholic Church, but in the end the reforms that the Catholic Church promulgated - Vatican II - were the precise opposite to the ones that Guenon had hoped for.
To return to your specific question, Evola considered a resort to religion - which he considered inadequate for the challenges of the present day - as a surrender and a step back. His work is dedicated not to promoting the means that humanity used to connect with transcendence before the nihilistic era, but to providing guidelines and ways of connecting to transcendence while in the thick of the world and all of its nihilistic paradoxes. In other words, he wanted his readers to be aware of a way that allowed them to attain the spiritual dimension of their lives without the need for religion and especially not the Christian religion.
As to Russian Orthodoxy specifically, iirc Evola acknowledged some initiatic elements to Orthodoxy, but said that "what is Christian is not initiatic and what is initiatic is not Christian". His general objections to Christianity, of course, still apply. You might also want to visit the church out of curiosity at least once, to see how it feels. I suspect that it is probably an ethnic church with the preaching done in Russian and filled exclusively with Russians who speak in Russian. If you are okay with that, then feel free to attend it.
What you want to do is something you should decide upon. Read a handful of Evola's books, read some Guenon books, see how they make you feel. Digest the information and reflect on your life. Eventually you will know what path you want to pursue. You might also want to consider Schuon, who afaik wrote about the more devotional paths to transcendence - this would be most intuitive path for modern people with a background in the Abrahamic religions.

[Anonymous No.17327365]

>>17327121
>>17327134
Thanks for the answers, bros. I guess I'll read his works and see what I can do.

[Anonymous No.17327407]

>>17327365
Good luck anon!

[Anonymous No.17327490]

>According to Evola, there are no still-existing chains of initiation and tradition anywhere on earth.

I like Evola, and he was right about many things, but when you read actual occult literature you can see this is bullshit. His own books on magic are essentially self-initation so he couldn't have held that opinion that tightly.

[Anonymous No.17327533]

>>17327490
Yeah, I am not sure where exactly anons get this from. I was under the impression that he thought legitimate lineages are very rare, but not completely extinct. In fact, Evola himself affirms that the children of Tradition exist in every era, even when their numbers and/or importance are diminished.

[Anonymous No.17327619]

>>17326397
>>17326406
Right wingers don’t read Evola

[Anonymous No.17328902]

>>17322010
I've only read the doctrine of awakening, is this good?

[Anonymous No.17328977]

>>17328902
It's one of his political works. If you are into politics, you will probably like it.

[Anonymous No.17329628]

>>17328977
It's not, it's one of his least political books and focuses on metaphysics instead. Did you even read the book?

[Anonymous No.17329666]

For what reasons are they reading it? Seems a lot of new evola readers are doing it because they saw revolt or ride the tiger in some cringe rightoid reading list. They all get filtered anyway and end up hating evola because all political mush brains are materialists who cant into mysticism.

[Anonymous No.17329817]

>>17329628
of course he fucking didnt lmao

peak /lit/ over here

[Anonymous No.17329860]

>>17329628
>implying there's a difference between metaphysics and politics
bruh moment

[Anonymous No.17330627]

>>17329666
those D I G I T Z confirm

[Anonymous No.17330800]

>>17329860

[Anonymous No.17331384]

why people read Evola when they can read about Tengri-infused Vajrayana I will never know

[Anonymous No.17331504]

>>17331384
Vajrayana is the last surviving strain of the Tradition that Evola is expounding. Go to one of their temples and see for yourself. They speak in the same language of initiatic symbols that Evola and Crowley use and perform rituals to create the objective metaphysical conditions described. Only truly heroic men will even perceive the potential, let alone act.

[Anonymous No.17331507]

For me, it's still The Society of The Spectacle.

[Anonymous No.17331599]

>>17330800
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.17331807]

>>17322467
Evola as a thinker is an absolute Gem, the problem is he talks about a range of important things and while there is obvious uniformity between his works you can't really single it down to one work, it will depend on what you're looking for. He also has written some seriously good articles that overshadow a few of his books.

The main Trilogy:
Revolt Against The Modern World
Men Among The Ruins
Ride The Tiger

Are usually considered the gravitational center of his works, Revolt being the best example of such. A solid mix of Political and Historical referencing, Political Esotericism, General Esotericism and simultaneously a very sober and modern adapted analyses of the spiritual crisis man faces in modernity considered it was written all the way back in 1936. The idea being to take on an inner character that transcends whatever political whims or religious dogmatic skeletons we try to cope with today as a consequence of lacking such transcendent connection. He's not giving you a specific method because that's besides the point, he's trying to give you a whole new frame of being and existing so you can move boldly in the right direction spiritually. It's very hyper-masculine.

Ride the Tiger is very good and /lit/ in the sense that it's a large sweep critique of how philosophy is handling the spiritual crisis and the more personal implications of being in such ideological currents.

Men Among The Ruins is probably the most accessible for somebody with atleast a /pol/ level of redpilling. It's a Political and Historical breakdown of how the West has degenerated from it's transcendent heights to a late-stage democratic shitfests with no roots or legitimate sourcepoints. It's basically a how-to of proper statecraft alongside a chronology of massive mistakes to contrast.

Revolt is definitely worth it but other books will give you useful context. Don't forget to check out other cool one's like Meditations on the Peaks for a good look at his philosophy of transcendent action, American Civilization(article) for a starkly accurate look at Americanism, or Orientations for a general overview of his politics.

Orientations:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://files.catbox.moe/z6uo7g.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjgsJ7qz6nuAhUQjlkKHS6PAn0QFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0hIQUhD907Ey2Tipnkxrx5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNX1xRY-1I

[Anonymous No.17331967]

Wet or dry path?

[Anonymous No.17332120]

>>17331967
>Left hand path
>In this Kali Yuga
Bruh

[Anonymous No.17332579]

>>17327134
Could you extrapolate a bit on his insistence of initiation being so important? Or what he meant by the word?

[Anonymous No.17333370]

>>17322010
Yes, people are reading Siege

[Anonymous No.17333397]

>>17331599
>he didn't read it

[Anonymous No.17334037]

>>17326544
>asking some fartsniffing litfaggot to substantiate his butthurt.
Why anon? I genuinely cant think of a more futile endeavor

[Anonymous No.17334438]

>>17334037
Because you (or >>17326499) claimed his prose was pretentious while most who have actually read him would disagree. Making you the pretentious faggot unless you bavk it up.

[Anonymous No.17334473]

is there any point in reading evola if i'm not interested in politics or fashy

[Anonymous No.17334531]

>>17334473
Sure, he's written many books on metaphysics, mythology, religion, etc.

[Wojakposter No.17335290]

Have a bump

[Anonymous No.17336012]

>Read one part of the Summa Theologica
>Start writing college assignments in Latin, in the format: objection 1; objection 2; on the contrary; I answer that; reply to objection 1; reply to objection 2

[Anonymous No.17336889]

>>17332579
You might want to find some of his writings on initiation, since it's a pretty significant topic. To make it short, "initiation" refers to initiation into the Mysteries - this referring to the ancient Hellenic Mysteries. Of course, the Hellenic Mysteries are (or rather, were) just one form of initiation - you can be initiated into many different spiritual traditions, such as Kundalini practice, for example.
What makes initiation important is the break it imposes on "normal" life and "normal" consciousness. Initiation refers to being awakened to the distinctly nonmaterial dimension of this life and this reality. This awakening is not conceptual, philosophical, abstract or "intellectual" in the usual sense of the word, but real, actual, objective and effective. Initiation allows you to see more of reality as it is, rather than simply seeing the material aspects of reality. The benefits of that are self-evident.
>>17333397
According to Evola, all true politics are metaphysical.
>>17334037
Because I felt like it.
>>17334473
Yes, but you will probably want to stick to his books on specific traditions like the Hermetics, Buddhists, etc.

[Anonymous No.17338150]

bump

[Anonymous No.17339728]

>>17325436
>magic isn't real
go back to /v/ brainlet

[Anonymous No.17339758]

>>17326270
>>17326397
>>17326406
You're both fucking retarded Redditors.

[Anonymous No.17339829]

>>17326905
Trad Christianity is initiate if you do it the right way. I strongly encourage contemplative mediation such as the rosary.