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Why is Spinoza taken seriously when he was irrevocably refuted by Kant (pbuh)?

>> No.17298359

Spinoza talked about many things, not just idealism or >>>"morals"

>> No.17298362

>>17298349
He's an alternative to the german idealist tradition and the post-rationalist ontological project of Heidegger.

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>>17298359
>>17298362
Cope.

>> No.17298401

>>17298388
I didn't say he was right.

>> No.17298402

>>17298349
I've never understood the Spinoza worship. His whole system depends on God to not fall apart and his argument for god is literally just the ontological argument, the lamest argument for god ever.

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>>17298401
Cope.

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>what reading the first critique does to a mf

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>>17298445
Based.

>> No.17298517

>>17298418
He was though

>> No.17299770

>>17298402
And what? If Spinoza never added God into his system there would still be an infinite substance that is causa sui, necessary, indivisible and fully independent from every other (possible) substance.

>> No.17299799

>>17298445
that baby have big head

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>>17298445

>> No.17300540

>>17298349
and by Plato, Aristotle, all platonists, christian, islamic, jewish theologians, Schelling, Hegel, Jacobi.

>>17298402
what is the problem with ontological arguments

>> No.17300559

Whats the jist of the refutations?

>> No.17301252

>>17300540
Wasn't Hegel a huge Spinoza fan though? I know for a fact Nietzsche was.

>> No.17301291

>>17301252
Yes. Hegel said that one was either a Spinozist or not a real philosopher. Albert Einstein was also a big fan of Spinoza. He even wrote a poem about him:
>How much do I love this noble man
>More than I could say with words
>I fear though he’ll remain alone
>With a holy halo of his own…
>You think his example would show us
>What this teaching can give humankind
>Trust not the comforting façade:
>One must be born sublime

>> No.17302075

>>17301291
Damn, I didn't know Einstein was a sycophant.

>> No.17302116

>>17301291
Whoever translated that should be shot. Good God

>> No.17302166

>>17298349
you never read Spinoza and its obvious by your retarded post lmao

>> No.17302179

>>17298402
Spinoza is essential to pantheism, which is essential to atheism.

>> No.17302212

>>17301291
Based Einstein

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>Spinoza was a brainle-
"Spinoza was offered the chair of philosophy at the University of Heidelberg, but he refused it, perhaps because of the possibility that it might in some way curb his freedom of thought."
>Spinoza was a dirty jew-
"On 27 July 1656, the Talmud Torah congregation of Amsterdam issued a writ of cherem (Hebrew: חרם, a kind of ban, shunning, ostracism, expulsion, or excommunication) against the 23-year-old Spinoza."
>Spinoza was an athei-
"After stating his proof for God’s existence, Spinoza addresses who “God” is. Spinoza believed that God is “the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe". He was frequently called an "atheist" by contemporaries, although nowhere in his work does Spinoza argue against the existence of God"
>He had very little influence on philosoph-
"Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel said, "The fact is that Spinoza is made a testing-point in modern philosophy, so that it may really be said: You are either a Spinozist or not a philosopher at all."

>> No.17302999

In his Ethics, Spinoza starts all arguments based on axioms he declares at the start.
So why so many people take his metaphysics seriously? Axioms are without proof and no reasoning about reality can be accepted without proof.
He can make a perfectly cohesive system with axioms, but outside of being a consistent system, it has the same proof as any religion.

>> No.17303032

>>17302999
Not this again.

According to you, all mathematical reasoning is equally worthless then?

>> No.17303077

>>17303032
No, mathematics reasoning talks about mathematics, an abstract thing.
Metaphysics talk about how the world works, so I can't see how someone could prove how the world works without looking into the world.