What is a /lit/ career

[Anonymous No.17288077]

>mfw fell for the legal career meme

It's not worth it my friends. The pay does not correlate with the amount of work. Also, I don't even think I'm becoming a better writer. I just write dry technical and legal documents with boilerplate language day in and day out. 0/10 would not recommend.

>t. patent agent that wants to kill himself

[Anonymous No.17288087]

einstein in the patent office
he wasnt thinking about patents at all
he was thinking about all kinds of science
he wouldnt even pick up the phone
that's einstein
the smartest man alive

[Anonymous No.17288121]

I make signs in a printshop. I spend all day listening to audiobooks and writing notes in my phone. I like it.

[Anonymous No.17288177]

>>17288077
Why do people seek out legal careers? I heard 9/10 jobs in legal feels like doing other people's homework. Sure, the prosecutors and high profile defense attorneys might have a blast, but shit dude, that sounds mind numbing. Thanks to my math illiteracy I was forced into a meme degree like marketing but its actually fun because you can at least apply some amount of creativity and there are tons of cute girls in the jab to keep your motivation up when things suck

[Anonymous No.17288197]

>>17288077
I work in a warehouse shifting heavy furniture all day, my back hurts and I get paid peanuts. Don't complain about your soft office job, I would love to have a day of sitting down sorting stupid paperwork out.

[Anonymous No.17288201]

disability NEET that spends his days reading childrens books

[Anonymous No.17288233]

>>17288177
I graduated with an engineering degree, and I thought there was good money in combining engineering and law. Also, I thought I could stand out in this career as I could write way better than my engineering peers (not saying I'm good at writing though).

I'm paid decently enough, but I have friends in software who make the same/more and who do way less work than me. Maybe if I write enough useless patents, my writing will improve...doubt it. Should have just gotten a regular engineering job, fuck me.

[Anonymous No.17288253]

>>17288197
I switched from white collar to manual labor, personally, and enjoy it much more. It's even less fun going home with a tired mind than a tired body.

[Anonymous No.17288262]

>>17288077
Same boat my friend. Moving after I qualify

[Anonymous No.17288290]

>>17288197
>soft office job
Dont underestimate the tortuous monotony of an office environment paired with the stress that comes from being constantly expected to deliver + the shit you produce is most likely completely arbitrary and meaningless to you personally unless you are lucky or self-employed. I've been through socom application courses in my country where the only thing I could think about was the heavy ass backpack and swollen feet. You kind of miss that simplicity of struggle working as a white collar.

Nothing is worse than stressing out over an either case pointless job except stressing over not having one

[Anonymous No.17288305]

>>17288077
Night security, post man, gardener, fisherman, unemployed (rich parents, inheritance). That's it.

[Anonymous No.17288373]

>>17288077
Road construction worker is /lit/, specifically concrete finisher.
Reasons:
>you learn an entirely new dialect of the English language
>you work for 8-14 hours a day in a combination of Canterbury tales and 4chan, surrounded by every physical permutation of Charles Bukowski
>labor is mentally simple, allowing you to think through your next writing session
>you get rain days off to read/write while you listen to the rain on your window
>pay is pretty good
>good luck getting fat
>if you're halfway capable you have fantastic job security
>concrete finishing is an art if you're doing curb patches/sidewalk
>most construction contracts have provisions that pay for apprentices, so the training opportunities are everywhere
>leave work everyday with a physical product to make you feel accomplished

[Anonymous No.17288390]

>>17288373
>you work for 8-14 hours a day
wage slaving for that long is not /lit/

[Anonymous No.17288397]

>>17288290
Office jobs are how our culture handles our excess population. The next time you walk into the office think of the workers like livestock and the managers like farmers and you'll do what every bored person does eventually
>play politics
Just don't ever start caring

[Anonymous No.17288441]

>>17288390
It's not wageslaving if you find your job fulfilling. I work in an office, even have a manager but I live every day as my own boss and it's great.
14 hours is only emergency days/peak business cycles. Otherwise it's 8-10, and you're paid by the hour. Plus the literary exposure is priceless.

[Anonymous No.17288461]

I used to do IT and got to sneak into the supply closet only me and like a handful of people had access to. I would read and take naps. I miss it

[Anonymous No.17288466]

Being F. Gardner or at least mimicking his success.

[Anonymous No.17288483]

>>17288253
>>17288290
I suppose the grass is always greener, i have always done physically laborious jobs and its beginning to take its toll on my body. My mind is not challenged either, it's not overworked as it would be in an office but it would be nice not to be treated like a mongoloid every now and again.
Wait, what was my point? Oh yes, my back fucking hurts man.

[Anonymous No.17288517]

>be me
>never really had writing talent
>be really good at math tho
>want to be a writer
>enroll in engineering
and here is how my void enlarges

[Anonymous No.17288524]

Lawyer here. My writing got better after law school purely because of how much I despise the profession. I understand Kafka at at far deeper level now.

[Anonymous No.17288533]

archiving. but it is a very hard field to get into, especially if you don't start early. you could try to get hired in a small museum as a general collections guy if you have basic qualifications though

[Anonymous No.17288540]

I would rather kill myself than be a lawyer. I can’t stand anyone that works in law. I’ve never met an interesting lawyer, and everyone I’ve known that’s gotten into law has become uninteresting among with developing a huge ego. They memorize shit and think it makes them smart. Fuck everyone involved with the “law”

[Anonymous No.17288550]

An iowa workshop graduate told me that the best job for any writer is a place where you can sit down for 8 hours a day in total free time, thus spending your workdays reading and writing. He worked as a parking garage booth operator before publishing his novel

[Anonymous No.17288552]

>>17288540
As a lawyer I agree. I made a girl cry in our jurisprudence when I called the profession as a whole a bunch of “indoctrinated mercenaries”

[Anonymous No.17288558]

>>17288087
>that's einstein
>the smartest man alive
Einstein's dead, bro.

[Anonymous No.17288565]

>>17288177
>Thanks to my math illiteracy I was forced into a meme degree like marketing but its actually fun because you can at least apply some amount of creativity and there are tons of cute girls in the jab to keep your motivation up when things suck
Leeches like you only survive on the work of real people. You're no better than an e-thot.

[Anonymous No.17288567]

>>17288552
Jurisprudence class*

[Anonymous No.17288568]

>>17288397
>The next time you walk into the office think of the workers like livestock and the managers like farmers and you'll do what every bored person does eventually
>>play politics
Yeah its a bullshit game, I always feel like im wearing poker face at work. The set-up is absurd, we are adults crammed like you say as animals on a farm. I guess its all a bluff from my side and I always imagine that other people bluffing too, but the scary part is that most are truly just drones on automatic mode.

[Anonymous No.17288574]

>>17288558
i wrote this before he died

[Anonymous No.17288579]

>>17288568
Trying to navigate between who is a sentient being and a NPC at a new workplace is daunting as fuck

[Anonymous No.17288580]

>>17288233
I did a phd and am going into microchip design and the starting salaries are barely higher than pleb-tier BEng jobs. Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.17288584]

>>17288550
its not that easy to get these "just be present jobs".
Tried to be the night clerk for a hotel cause I thought I could get reading and studying done.
No, I was running around the place the entire time, finishing the last shifts jobs and prepping everything for the morning crew.
They didn't list near all of the jobs I had to do on the advertisment site. ( I quit after 2 weeks)
So dont expect being a parkinglot clerk to actually be as torpid as you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.17288597]

>>17288373
>>17288483
>Be construction worker in third world country
>No one can speak or read english, think you're a pompous rich faggot if they ever find out
>Security measures and sun protection is for "pussies"
>Touching wires barehanded, maybe it's live, maybe not, lmao
>12-14 hours shift in 100F+ temperatures
>"There's no money this week, you'll get paid next one, for sure this time"
>Coworkers spend 9/10 of their pay in beer and hookers literally just after their Friday shift ends.

Please appreciate your country if you're in the anglosphere, it fucking sucks here.

[Anonymous No.17288603]

>>17288574
My bad.

[Anonymous No.17288619]

>>17288584
I dont think it'll be a breeze no, but I did have a very comfy job as a writing tutor at a community college before covid. I literally sat there for 6 hours, waiting for students to come in. 3/4 of my time was spent reading.

[Anonymous No.17288620]

>>17288373
You sound like Ignatius

[Anonymous No.17288623]

>>17288517
We should have went into software. So much easier and you get paid more.

[Anonymous No.17288650]

>>17288552
dangerously based - perhaps cool lawyers do exist, they just also hate that they’re lawyers

[Anonymous No.17288661]

>>17288623
>>17288517
programming is a scam.
every single position from jr softdev to managerial admin is taken by pajeets and chinks that charge 1/10 of what you need to even survive.

If you ever get to a respectable position, it's time for you to bend the knee to Silicon Valley culture, including daily self-flagellation if you happen to be white.

[Anonymous No.17288674]

>>17288077
I also fell for the legal meme. I thought it'd be a fun profession, but it's anything but. It's literally just 95% paperwork with maybe some interesting stuff during trial every now and then

[Anonymous No.17288700]

>>17288623
imo software is even worse, programming is stressing and life sucking. And I like programming despise that, because I’m good.

beside that..
I don’t know what I’m doing here, in this world.
I wanted to be good at writing but, despite I put really much efforts in reading, my language intelligence and communication skills are really low.
every day I am closer to the reality where I am the soulless engineer that wastes his time on efficiency problems just to have more money rather than trying to express himself

[Anonymous No.17288705]

>>17288661
>programming is a scam.
And yet somehow the field still hasn't collapsed. I've no idea why. So many shit people are flooding the industries yet wages still seem to be ridiculously high.

[Anonymous No.17288723]

>>17288620
>Ignatius
>espousing the virtues of work

[Anonymous No.17288729]

> I could barely write code for a whole month
> Psychiatrist puts me back on Abilify, and tells me to try out Neurontin for two weeks as an "experiment".
> Am now on three pills
> I feel great now, but my energy still goes to internet lurking for procrastination
> Coming to accept that the LSD trip that led me to a messianic psychosis (the reason I'm on the pills) probably broke my brain

>>17288397
Sometimes, rarely, I experience something like sonder. It's this slow, dawning realization that we're all fucking insane, that we're lunatics in a psych ward with no nurses or doctors in sight, drops in a billions of years old fountain of chemicals that bursts forth from the last universal common ancestor, and only the mystics, if that, possibly left the asylum.

[Anonymous No.17288749]

>>17288661
Nah, bro. Nah.

The utter banality of programming does hit you at some point.

[Anonymous No.17288763]

>>17288077
I wish I had studied something less corporative than I did. I studied businesses and honestly it was fucking boring. The only part I actually liked was statistics and market research. I now have a job on data analytics for a big advertisement company. The overall work environment is pretty nice desu but it would be better if it wasn’t for our clients that treat the agency like you would treat a booty call.
Still the only way to have a truly /lit/ lifestyle is by inheritance.
I hate corporations too much. I hate people too much. I only love my close family and friends, everyone is a stupid shithead. The current news on corona makes me wonder how much of a meme the “6 millions sounds like too much” actually is.

[Anonymous No.17288772]

>>17288729
I had that point too, it was why I left my last job and took 6 months to regroup. Office jobs are what they are. You're not in an asylum, you're back in the jungle.

[Anonymous No.17288778]

>>17288723
Glorifying low level grunt work with literary delusions is peak Ignatius, did you even read the book my friend?

[Anonymous No.17288782]

>>17288674
Getting lost in the sauce while working is fun, but it’s so rare to happen with other attorneys or clients constantly interrupting you. The other thing I really get a massive hard on for is any time I get to sue a large corporation. Writing that petition is so satisfying, even if it is just a template. Problem is that all the jobs that are fulfilling like legal aid pay ass and require you to know Spanish. It’s bullshit. There are basically no unions in texas. Most personal injury is just against insurance. Criminal defense is honorable but the pay sucks until you start defending the ones you don’t want to. I don’t want to suck the dick of capital to pay these loans, but I think if I could get over the suicidal thoughts that happen when I’m at bigger firms I could be a wonderfully evil lawyer.

[Anonymous No.17288791]

>>17288483
What do you do and how long do you do it exactly?

[Anonymous No.17288798]

>>17288778
mostly I remember muh valve, being penpals with a jewish whore, and jones

[Anonymous No.17288831]

>>17288782
Why do you continue when the motivation, morality, and payment are all so divorced

[Anonymous No.17288834]

>>17288517
>be me
>praised by teachers for my writing talent in adolescence, but what does that even means
>also pretty good at maths, love it
>study mathematics
>wants to be a writer on the side
>end up doing a PhD in applied status
Spoiler: I'm now a NEET that officially stopped at masters degree.

[Anonymous No.17288848]

>>17288087
More like a Lazy redditor Top 10 epic science compliation and leeching the rest off his wife

[Anonymous No.17288850]

>>17288661
Literally just don’t work in the Bay Area and software dev/IT (beyond desktop support/helpdesk) is ridiculously cushy and low stress

[Anonymous No.17288860]

>>17288540
>>17288552
I remember seeing an interview of a qt criminal lawyer who seemed to genuinely care about her clients. Maybe she was just a good actor.

[Anonymous No.17288881]

>>17288782
I'd love to be a legal aid lawyer if it didn't mean having a poverty-tier salary.

[Anonymous No.17288911]

>>17288860
Uh I think I know what vid you're talking about, and sadly, her compassion was a facade.

google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4706419

[Anonymous No.17288920]

>>17288597
Which country? Sometimes I really like the people who say "travel, you'll learn like your country better" are right.

[Anonymous No.17288929]

>>17288565
Leeching is half the economy mate

[Anonymous No.17288951]

>>17288661
Senior programmer in companies that really run on actual programming can be very impressive, but yes 90% of programming is codemonkeying and 9% of the remain is barely above codemonkey.

[Anonymous No.17288958]

>>17288929
More than half. The finance sector is the spearhead of leeching and it is positively massive. For an industry that's supposed to help you efficiently allocate resources they consume a shitload

[Anonymous No.17288969]

>>17288077
The true /lit/ career is to live poor as shit, but self-sufficient. Only surviving to write.

[Anonymous No.17288975]

>>17288077
>Going into psychiatry
>Job is just to listen to people blog about their lives, tell them to get their shit together and give them emds
>Only need to work 2 days a week to make enough income to live comfortably
>Get to spend the rest of my week reading/doing what I want

>>17288729
Did your psych try lifestyle changes first? if not they're shit.

[Anonymous No.17288977]

>>17288848
>leeching off of his wife
>his wife
and HE'S the redditor? BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.17288991]

>>17288077
Lawyer here aswell. I still have faith in philosophy of law. Planning on reading Kelsen this weekend.

[Anonymous No.17289001]

>>17288975
>psych
>work 2 days a week to have enough
>spend the next 5 days pretending the movie "12 Monkeys" doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.17289009]

>>17288991
>da law will save us
read Schmitt instead

[Anonymous No.17289021]

>>17288911
No it wasn't her, she was French. I even saw a short video series about a case she worked on, she seemed chill.

[Anonymous No.17289026]

>>17289009
The debates between Kelsen an Schmitt are the real shit.

[Anonymous No.17289058]

I teach creative writing at a UK university. It's a dream gig. More money and more respect than I'd get if I was teaching high school, and I actually have complete control of how I want to teach my classes. If I was in high school the curriculum would prescribe the set texts; if I'd gone into proper academia, as I considered, I'd have been limited to English Lit as I don't speak a second language. But this way I can talk about Proust, Flaubert, Chekhov, Woolf, Henry James etc to my heart's content. Most writers see it as a stepping stone but I'll be happy doing this for at least another decade.

[Anonymous No.17289097]

>>17288929
90% easily

[Anonymous No.17289152]

>>17289058
How did you get the job

[Anonymous No.17289163]

>>17289058
How’s the English department on your UNI?

[Anonymous No.17289174]

>>17289152
By larping

[Anonymous No.17289178]

>>17289152
I went to a great graduate writing course in this country and managed to get a novel published when I was 26 (which is now out of print). Those two factors, plus a handful of short stories in middling journals, gave me the momentum I needed.

[Anonymous No.17289187]

>>17289163
It's serviceable. I get on well with a Renaissance (or 'early modern' as you're supposed to call it now) lecturer. He ribs me for only having an MA and I rib him for only being able to study and not produce. Then he usually reminds me I still haven't finished my second novel and we move onto other things.

[Anonymous No.17289214]

>>17288558
no

[Anonymous No.17289218]

>>17289174
Nope.

[Anonymous No.17289248]

>>17289058
Sounds based. Probably the best one so far.

[Anonymous No.17289279]

>>17289058
Sounds like the one professor I had for creative writing. He loved Hemingway. Like he modeled his entire life after Hemingway. Even looked like Hemingway. Only texts he would give us to read were either Cuban literature or Hemingway short stories.

[Anonymous No.17289329]

>>17289279
The freedom is really liberating. Once I finished my MA I was torn between doing a PhD on Keats or trying to wheedle my way into a comparative lit course and teach myself French. You have to be bilingual, though, otherwise you're stuck with English writers only. Then I fluked my way into the UEA prose fiction course and here I am 6 years later, picking any books I want and getting one working day off a week to 'write' (see: sleeping in until noon and planning lessons so my weekends are free). Christmas and summers off aren't bad either.

[Anonymous No.17289355]

>>17288441
so wtf is your job title and what type of firm do you work for? you're the concrete finisher right?

[Anonymous No.17289381]

>>17289355
I'm not in construction anymore, I was a project superintendent. Finishers were consistently the most enlightened people to be around, but the asphalt crew has a highly developed niche wisdom of blue-collar nihilism.

[Anonymous No.17289401]

Interesting to see so many lawyers on here. I knew there were a few, but not so many. I agree with pretty much everything the lawyers in here have said. Law is a terrible meme.

I believe certain criminal defence lawyers and a very small handful of others lead fulfilling careers, but 99% of law is filling in the small gaps in society that nobody else was willing to bother with. The technicalities in laws and contracts that nobody else cares about. You have to care about those things.

I can retire with generational money once Bitcoin hits $150K. That's all that's keeping me going. Maybe then I can write.

Kafka was right.

[Anonymous No.17289421]

>>17288597
Based obrero come-perros

[Anonymous No.17289429]

>>17289381
That's interesting. Would you recommend it for a recent grad once this pandemic is over? I would really like a job for a bit that didn't feel like I was still just doing coursework every day

How would one go about it in the first place

[Anonymous No.17289441]

>>17289429
Which one, project superintendent or concrete finisher?

[Anonymous No.17289474]

Is medicine /lit/?

[Anonymous No.17289478]

>>17289401
The only justification for a career in law is relentless legalistic autism. I'm blessed with it so I'm considering law school but if the salaries are really that shitty I'll just stick with tacking an MBA to my engineering degree.

[Anonymous No.17289481]

>>17289401
The true horror is that Kafka's job was pretty undemanding, you're actually living in worse conditions than Kafka.

[Anonymous No.17289493]

>>17288782
>bigger firm
Working at one of those is one of the most soul destroying things you could do. At least with trial lawyers, the ones I know work at least 100 hours a week. I'd much rather work at a small firm or with the government and make less but work far fewer hours

[Anonymous No.17289494]

>>17289401
I'm in law school right now. Should I just drop out and do coding bootcamp or smth? I have a polisci degree lol.

[Anonymous No.17289495]

>>17289441
Concrete finisher. But also I would be interested to hear about being a superintendent. I don't really understand how shit works yet desu. Coming out with my degrees, all the entry level jobs look like fucking patronage. Or insipid clerical work with a title

[Anonymous No.17289502]

>>17289478
Go into engineering instead, imo. There are too many people passing the bar and not enough jobs unless you live in NYC or LA (you don't want to do that if you can avoid it). Engineers will pretty much always be in demand and I imagine that the jobs are a lot more interesting

[Anonymous No.17289518]

>>17289279
Like what Cuban literature, anon? I'm Cuban and I'd like to know

[Anonymous No.17289537]

>>17289494
If you got into law school and a 4chan post convinced you to drop out you have bigger problems.

[Anonymous No.17289538]

>>17289495
Concrete finisher is incredibly easy to start. Just search "concrete finisher union [insert your town here]" as a finisher you're typically part of a union and they're the one that trains you/finds you work. As a recent grad if you grew up with middle-class affluence or above I'd recommend at least a summer with construction workers, it changes your life. Just don't do any drugs until you get the job, if you test positive on a pre-employment screening the company's insurance will probably never let you work for them, and the union will be pissed.
Project superintendent is a little more difficult, you typically need a major in a related field (construction management/engineering, civil engineering) or else experience in construction since you're essentially managing construction. For that you'd just go to indeed and search locally, there's almost never a union for superintendents, but you almost always get a sick pickup truck.

[Anonymous No.17289558]

>>17288177
>in the jab
New Englander detected

[Anonymous No.17289566]

>>17289502
Transportation engineer here. Design is great, construction engineer is shit. Managing construction as a contractor is interesting but very taxing. Being the engineer on a construction site is a paperwork job minus the comfort of an office.

[Anonymous No.17289572]

>>17289401
Me.
>>17289478
The money is very good but if I were you I would try to find work as an engineer before pursuing a JD or an MBA. I have good friends who pivoted from engineering to consulting without further education and they make bank doing interesting work.

>>17289481
This is true. Law is like Kafka meets Uncut Gems.

>>17289494
If you've already fallen for the meme it's probably worth finishing it IMO.

If you are me from the past and I am somehow able to communicate with you, please listen to me - work on landing a career or starting a business outside of law. You can do it so much easier than you think. Get out. Use the rest of your time in law school to work on this - you have more free time than you will afterwards, and you're still able to make mistakes. Good luck, bro.

[Anonymous No.17289589]

>>17289572
I’ve written pages and pages on my experience in law school on this board. I’ve saved a bunch of it and basically turned it into a Dostoyevsky level rant for my characters being a bunch of drunk students at a punk bar.

[Anonymous No.17289590]

>>17288574
Internet explorer am I rite

[Anonymous No.17289601]

>>17289518
It's been a decade, but I remember Alfonso Hernandez Cata and Cirilo Villaverde.

[Anonymous No.17289603]

>>17289572
>it's worth finishing
>it's not worth finishing, do no schoolwork and use the free time to find another job, get out before it's too late
bro…

[Anonymous No.17289655]

>>17289603
Finishing law school should take you almost no effort whatsoever. Coast through 2L and 3L while you build a better life for yourself outside of law. Trust me.

[Anonymous No.17289659]

>>17289279
Was the Cuban literature so that he could spy on Cuba like Hemingway did?

[Anonymous No.17289663]

join the army
become warrior poet

[Anonymous No.17289669]

>>17289663
Become Vonnegut, not Hemingway

[Anonymous No.17289683]

>>17289663
>joining pointless fights in the Middle East that we have no business in
That's the opposite of based, anon

[Anonymous No.17289691]

>>17289659
I'm fairly certain he never left America in his life

[Anonymous No.17289694]

>>17289691
hemingway shill detected

[Anonymous No.17289696]

>>17289659
That was Graham Greene that spied on Cuba, not Hemingway

[Anonymous No.17289704]

>>17289691
He literally lived in Paris and went on safaris in Africa. He was an ambulance driver on the Italian front during WWI. These aspects of his life are VERY well known.

Try just a little before you open your mouth, chode.

[Anonymous No.17289723]

>>17289696
https://vault.fbi.gov/ernest-miller-hemingway

[Anonymous No.17289728]

>>17289704
I'm talking about the creative writing professor I had who only had us read Hemingway or short stories from Cuban writers.

[Anonymous No.17289739]

I’ve graduated with a philosophy degree and want to be a lawyer and later get an engineering degree and open an IP firm.

I know someone has advice for me. Please steer me in the right direction godsent anons

[Anonymous No.17289747]

>>17289739
Sucks for you they just made the Patent bar harder a few years back.

[Anonymous No.17289750]

>>17289723
I was just making a joke about the book "Our Man in Havana" by Graham Greene, which is pretty good, solid 8/10

[Anonymous No.17289757]

>>17289502
The only real hurdle I'm engineering is getting your PE. They treat you like a trained monkey until you have it because they know you'll take it just to get certified

[Anonymous No.17289767]

>>17289683
>caring why you fight
how many times do i have to try and explain this lesson to people way smarter than me

[Anonymous No.17289783]

I know law school is a bad idea but my firm will pay for some of it and let me work part time. I kind of want to be a law student to LARP as a depressed Dostoeveskian character; am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.17289790]

>>17289683
It's been proven that soldiers fight for each other and make very positive and meaningful connections doing so. That's why PTSD is so common in soldiers. They associate too many positive feelings with war to fully disassociate from the traumatizing moments.

[Anonymous No.17289791]

>>17289783
Sounds brilliant desu
What do you do at your firm

[Anonymous No.17289798]

>>17289791
I'm OP, I'm the patent agent guy. My work is soulless but I'm trying to convince myself that other jobs would suck just as much. Maybe it's cope but it gets me through the days.

[Anonymous No.17289804]

School teacher?
In a private or rural (like on islands where a couple teachers teach all the students k-12) school system obviously -- fuck public schools.
I know the pay is overwhelmingly shit but I feel like you have way more time on your hands than most jobs.

[Anonymous No.17289812]

>>17289798
As an insider, what should I know before beginning a search for a paralegal position?

[Anonymous No.17289822]

>>17289812
For patent law? Either way, I don't know, I'm not a paralegal.

[Anonymous No.17289824]

>>17288077
>Work a call center job
>Spend each day in constant agony
Save me from this living hell bros

[Anonymous No.17289831]

>>17289790
>implying it is anything more than hanging out with the fellas and working out all day every day
why do people do this? just make assumptions for things they have no idea about?
>>17289804
sounds fantastic. how do you move to one of these small communities without drawing the ire of the locals? what do you need high pay for? be honest. you arent buying yeezys are you anon?

[Anonymous No.17289836]

>>17288552
That's fucking based

[Anonymous No.17289838]

>>17289812
Are you a dude? If so you will be the only dude and you will be surrounded by Asian women and fat white single moms.

[Anonymous No.17289846]

I work as a Judge Advocate and most of my job is done advising boomer commanders on legal matters and moving in and out of different bases depending on where I'm needed, it's pretty intense and the pay is decent.

I wish I had more time to write though.

[Anonymous No.17289850]

>>17289838
>asian women
we are go

[Anonymous No.17289854]

>>17289831
>hanging out with the fellas and working out all day every day
If that was the full scope of my endgame I'd go to a military prison like pic related

[Anonymous No.17289858]

>>17289838
OP here, this is scarily accurate.

[Anonymous No.17289867]

>>17289854
pedantic way of viewing it. the only thing i like is being happy i guess i will just do high dosages of ecstasy til i die. grow up

[Anonymous No.17289870]

>>17289838
Is it a poor choice if I want to attend law school after getting some experience in a firm?

[Anonymous No.17289873]

>>17289812
Your local rules.
The way documents are e filed.
During interviews ask how their tech systems are set up.
How many attorneys work there.

[Anonymous No.17289885]

>>17289867
Don't take it personal. Im always on the lookout for slightest reason to Carl Panzram-post

[Anonymous No.17289893]

>>17289870
I mean you are basically doing bitch work for lawyers because you bill less. So anything that the lawyer can't bill full price for they dump on your desk.

[Anonymous No.17289926]

>>17289893
Is there a better alternative to gain legal experience without having to be someone’s bitch longer than necessary?

[Anonymous No.17289952]

>>17289870
It’s not. It’ll either make you like it or hate it. It’s great experience for you post law school. It won’t help during law school except networking, which is the most important. But that’s if you can fit into the culture or find one of the few bad ass firms.

[Anonymous No.17289955]

>>17289926
Not that I know of. Even if you go straight from law school to law firm you are the low man on the pole.

[Anonymous No.17289979]

Is it worth even going to college or should I just try and be self employed? I recently considered going back to university, even sent out one application because my interests are literature and history and getting any decent job doing those requires a degree and I cant give enough of a shit to self learn programming. Im getting cold feet because I really dont want to be in college but only doing this because I know how hard it is to do anything without the degree. I recently got diagnosed with serious depression problems so I can maintain a wagie job for a short time before quickly quitting too so freelancing is probably my only option. I dont even want money I want enough to get by and just want a decent job in something I give a fuck about without going into tons of debt

[Anonymous No.17289995]

>>17289979
I know its stupid for me to ask advice on fucking 4chan, but Im 21, lost and at a real pivotal point in my life and at this point just want to at least put my thoughts out there

[Anonymous No.17290005]

>>17289979
>I can maintain a wagie job for a short time before quickly quitting
STOP
GIVING
UP

[Anonymous No.17290022]

>>17290005
it depends on the job, if its something like a dollar store it'll skyrocket my anxiety way too much and stress me the fuck out unless I take pills. If its something low key where I barely talk and just do paperwork or something its easy to keep going, the problem is Ive never found one of those yet.

[Anonymous No.17290026]

>>17289979
Just have a plan and for the love of god DO SOMETHING. I went to university for 5 years but spent 95% of my free time in my room on Twitter, a chunk of my youth I'll never get back. Do stuff everyday, anything other than mindlessly using the computer/gaming. Carpe diem is a cliche for a reason. Also if you want a white collar job you need to go to university/college.

[Anonymous No.17290037]

>>17290026
>Just have a plan and for the love of god DO SOMETHING
Yeah this is what I probably need to hear, I dont have problems not gaming or self destructive shit like that but the problem is im insanely indecisive so i waste time freaking out over what to do and chickening out. I think I have to figure out what I want

[Anonymous No.17290067]

A little over halfway into a compsci degree constantly lamenting that I didn't commit to Philosophy or Mathematics at the beginning of my journey due to fear of
>nojobs

[Blarty Hongo !WegkZP4tiw No.17290078]

>>17288077
Journalism can be /lit/ if you find the right venue.

[Anonymous No.17290096]

>>17289846
Wow this sounds pretty interesting after googling compared to your average lawyer like those in this thread, would be curious to hear more about it/how you got into it.

[Anonymous No.17290142]

>>17288597
God damn are you a Bangladeshi migrant worker in Dubai, wtf man.

[Anonymous No.17290143]

>>17289995
Thrirtysomething law student here. I've been in a few different careers, and the thing is, there's always something you won't like about anything you do, especially early in your life. The jobs you get at your age aren't the best, but the time you'll spend doing basic wage slavery at your local grocer or construction site should give you breathing room to explore options that interest you. They're also where you build mental discipline. Those jobs are soul sucking, so if you can develop your mental resiliency at that level, everything else will be way easier to deal with later one. That sort of resiliency is a habit you develop, not something that's innate. It's hard, but see that as your opportunity to be better, training for something grander, even if you don't know what it is.

For finding your way through life, you have to do the work most won't do. that means living outside your comfort zone. No one will notice you or care about you in your comfort zone. That thing is like an impenetrable lead casing that no one will ever care to break into -- you have to get out into the arena and fail. Fail at a bunch of stuff. Take risks knowing it's going to hurt.

What does that look like? Try reaching out to people in a job or industry you think is interesting. My experience is that half of the people I randomly called/emailed asking about their work were more than happy to have a coffee and tell me about it. Plus, now you're the young guy who reached out and expressed interest they'll tell people at the office/firm about, which builds reputation and eventually a network. This also helps you know what you don't want to do.

Ultimately, it doesn't even matter what you start doing. Just start doing it now, rather than remain in a Kafkaesque state of indecision while your time slips away. Better three years at something you hate, which at least is an experience and fills your resume, than three years being a NEET that thought about a lot of stuff. You're not Proust. You're not Descartes. Spending your time in bed is a waste. What you'll find is that random jobs end up complementing each other over the course of your life in ways you can't predict. If you take that attitude, then a step in any direction can be seen as a step forward.

That's not to say waste your time in those gigs, but just start something, and be vigilant about it while exploring other options. Make a one, three and five year plan once you've got an idea of where you'd like to go, then break that down into microscopic chunks you can handle day by day. (Tons of books on this out there, take your pick).

Ultimately, you still have a lot of time to pick stuff out at 21. But it will still go by faster than you think.

So don't waste time. Do something, anything, rather than nothing, even if you're not sure or sold on it. Talent isn't innate, it's developed over time. So get to work on something imperfect.

University? Freelance? Whatever. Just start.

[Anonymous No.17290188]

I run a sports academy (won't say which sport). 3 hours a night, 5 nights a week, doubles as my exercise. I have the rest of the day to do as I please.

[Anonymous No.17290199]

>>17290188
Do you own a building for it?

[Anonymous No.17290210]

>>17290037
As someone who regularly interacts with a bunch of perfectionists and overthinkers, just commit. Pick a course of action and take steps towards it. Don't analyze all the options, don't try to optimize value. Go for whatever seems like the best choice right then and there and take a step towards it RIGHT THEN. Once you've actually made an effort towards something it's too late to back out.

[Anonymous No.17290245]

>>17290199
Currently renting. I have a really good deal for rent but the owner has offered to sell. Weighing up the pros and cons.

[Anonymous No.17290257]

>>17290143
>>17290210
Fucking thanks lads seriously. Going to think real hard about just what I want to do and not fuck around wasting time. I have a good idea of what I want as well since its always been there but I overanalyzed and thought it wouldn't be viable. Tomorrow morning ill start planning and put things to action. You guys mightve just saved me from another couple of months of mental back and forth so for that I cant thank you enough, wont let time pass me by.

[Anonymous No.17290279]

>>17288540
Yeah a few friends I had became insanely annoying after going through law school that I'm convinced you have to sell your soul and personality to actually succeed in that profession. My uncle is a lawyer and he's a really cool and literary sort of guy, but he's an exception to the rule. Most of them are fucking insufferable, especially female lawyers.

[Anonymous No.17290286]

I gave up on academia and law school. For me, copywriting is where I'm going

[Anonymous No.17290366]

>>17290257
You're welcome. Glad to have helped.

Remember, whatever option you pursue, the fact you pursued it makes it the right choice. Sincerely believe that. Actions, even ones that seem "sub optimal" are always better in the long run to sitting and overanalyzing.

Good luck. We're rooting for you.

[Anonymous No.17290384]

>>17290245
Do you have any advice as to how you made that venture work? I remember I went to such an academy when I was younger

[Anonymous No.17290396]

>>17290096
>ROTC in my Law School
>Intern in the Judge Advocate
>Sign on for a year long training + 4 year contract

You get to train to be a Army Officer first and then apply your knowledge in Law on the job.

[Anonymous No.17290430]

>>17288975
>Job is just to listen to people blog about their lives, tell them to get their shit together and give them emds
Soulless, immoral job

[Anonymous No.17290468]

>>17290384
In my case I volunteered a lot of my time and made it clear I was developing my sport and administrative expertise. I got word about a year in advance that the owner was going to move on and I was the natural heir. Keep in mind sports are naturally competitive, you won't just be handed a position or opportunity.

[Anonymous No.17290471]

scientist in 2. or 3. world cunt
nothing ever gets done of finish, nothing significant at least
i read all day, listen to audiobooks, and basically don't focus on my job mostly, because nothing is expected of me, and my environment is shit and everything is dying and self-defeating

[Anonymous No.17290473]

>>17290143
This could seriously be post of the year so far (all boards). My life has been so crazy just talking to people and being fluid about what job I am willing to do in the information technology field, I got programming knowledge, and a library science degree, arrange a eccentric fossil hunters book collection, program a sales app for someone doing ecommerce, work as a part time archivist for a university. I just got started answering a call for a librarian job, met a girl at a mass cattle call interview, she told me some guy who needed help with his books.

[Anonymous No.17290477]

You all keep saying not to do the legal meme, but I got a 160 on a blind diagnostic LSAT, so I’m doing it anyway.

[Anonymous No.17290510]

what's the best career for a woman besides being a mom

[Anonymous No.17290529]

>>17290471
2-3 world anon here. I can't imagine our country have real scientists. I know they exist everywhere, I just can't imagine them. And nobody care bout 'high' stuffs.

[Anonymous No.17290539]

>>17288373
>you learn an entirely new dialect of the English language

[Anonymous No.17290574]

>>17290510
Being an accountant

[Anonymous No.17290596]

>>17290510
GPR Physiotherapist. You get to help people improve their quality of life substantially. It's one of the most thanked jobs out there.
Since you will be spending a lot of time with them, you will also get to know your patients personally. They will love you and since they come from all ages and walks of life, many of them will be both able and willing to help you should you need connections for anything.
It's the perfect career for a woman.

[Anonymous No.17290637]

>>17290529
Unless you're country is in civil war, there are likely working universities and/or institutes. Survival comes before art and science.
That real science can't happen (w/ any ease, at least) in cunts as ours, is clear, doesn't mean that it's unimportant. The only people who value science are other scientists, for the most part. Lead by example and stick to your guns, as they say, and persevere.

[Anonymous No.17291017]

>>17288558
>Einstein
>Dead

[Anonymous No.17291054]

>>17288077
I'm an english teacher in a 3rd world country
I just tell them what to do an just browse 4chan

[Anonymous No.17291121]

>tfw 24 years old
>have an accounting degree
>realised to late that I hate working in an office
>only job I can get is a minimum wage data entry/AP job
>all my colleagues make fun of me behind my back because they think I’m stupid
>brothers are a successful physio and computer scientist with lots of free time and money
I have no idea what to fucking do. I’ve thought about so many different career avenues to change into but everything worthwhile requires 4+ years of uni and more debt and I just don’t have it in me to go through all that again. I’m so scared i’ll fall into the same problem. I’m probably not gonna have enough for a deposit on a house until I’m at least 30. Should I just quit my job and sell shit on amazon from the comfort of my home?

[Anonymous No.17291126]

>>17290510
Being my wife

[Anonymous No.17291127]

>>17291121
Do you have a CPA?

[Anonymous No.17291134]

>>17288197
Get an office job then fag. I hate you blue collar workers who think that just because there are air conditioners in an office it must be all sunshine and rainbows.

[Anonymous No.17291150]

>>17289663
Everyone I know who is in the army is a homosexual

[Anonymous No.17291156]

>>17291127
No. I didn’t want to pursue it because I just barely survived uni and I don’t want to continue with this career path anymore.

[Anonymous No.17291234]

>>17291156
Get your CPA nigger, yeah it sucks but you'll get paid more and the work you do with one can open doors to legitimately interesting work.

[Anonymous No.17291416]

>>17289824
Call center sales work is the worst job I have ever had. Thank Allah I got fired after 2 weeks. The job was making me depressed as hell.

[Anonymous No.17291466]

>>17288597
>maybe it's live, maybe not, lmao
made me laugh so at least you've got that going for you paco

[Anonymous No.17291524]

>>17288197
Like the other three people already said, stick with the manual labour, office work is not worth is, you will feel far more drained at the end of the day, your back will still hurt and the pressure is enormous. Most burnouts are office workers.

[Anonymous No.17291613]

>>17288305
Night security guard here. Pretty cool, get to read books and browse 4channel all night

[Anonymous No.17291618]

>>17290078
This. I got a degree in Journalism from a top school and my job basically consists of ghostwriting speeches, writing opinion pieces for newspapers...its not perfect but I get to write a ton everyday and its good on the resume for a future better job.

[Anonymous No.17291620]

>>17291613
How hard is it to get a cushy posting? Do most security people get the shit jobs and you have to get lucky?

[Anonymous No.17291633]

>>17291618
Any tips on how to improve writing?

[Anonymous No.17291641]

>>17291620
I literally just got recommended this job randomly by some guy I went to high school with and haven’t talked to in years. I just watch monitors, more surveillance I guess

[Anonymous No.17291652]

>>17288552
lol you were right tho

[Anonymous No.17291675]

>>17291121
Seems like you need to sit down and think about what you really want. Money? A high quality of life and leisure? Esteem? Fame? Artistic achievement? A wife and kids? How much of these conflicting desires are subliminally influenced by things like family expectations, collective mass media, successful people you know, etc.

I can't give you any advice. I'm barely older than you and I want to write great poetry for the rest of my life. If I fail at that, I'll just an hero

[Anonymous No.17291742]

>>17291633
>Insert the most important details at the beginning and end of sentences and reserve middle for less interesting details
>Try to write mostly in active form (subject doing rather than being done to - "he bought a dog is better than the dog is bought by the man"
>Avoid writing in passive unless it's to indicate the perspective of someone in a passive power relation
>Rewrite a sentence until it cannot be possibly be shortened anymore without losing its essential meaning
>Know the difference between substance and form
>Understand your key message is and keep it to a single point at a time
>Use lots of verbs
>Avoid too many adjectives
>Kill your bad clichés and comparisons - twist the cliché if you must
>Shift perspective

There are so many tips on writing, these are just some quick ones off the top of my mind, I hope something is new to you, if not, youre already decently off

[Anonymous No.17291773]

I work emt in a rural area. I work for 8 hours usually and have emergencies like once or twice a day, meaning I got several hours to sip coffee and read.

[Anonymous No.17291836]

>>17290143
Good post Anon.

I've come to many of the same conclusions myself, but I can't stop overthinking nevertheless. I really just need to snap out of it. 95% of my thinking and analyzing, maybe even more, has just been a waste of time.

I've made some choices and some mistakes, and I think i'm on a decent track now, but i'll still overthink and worry that I *should* be doing something else.

Ultimately I know 100% that if I just stop giving a shit about making the perfect decision and spend my time doing stuff and making experiences i'll be much better off, but despite knowing this I fall into the same compulsive overthinking.

Fuck, I don't know. Shits hard. But you're 100% right Anon. My personal blog out.

[Anonymous No.17291897]

>>17288233
Dude if you have both an engineering and law degree simply apply to consultancy IB or somewhere else in the finance field. Very few people have your same framework and I guarantee you will make loads of money

[Anonymous No.17291944]

>>17291742
Based. That’s exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for. You know what you’re talking about.
Could you clarify or give examples on what you mean by these though?
>Avoid writing in passive unless it's to indicate the perspective of someone in a passive power relation
>Know the difference between substance and form
>Shift perspective

[Anonymous No.17292104]

>>17288834
literally me in two years

[Anonymous No.17292160]

>>17288077
Is a teacher in a country that's not the US /lit/?

>Socrates was basically a teacher before school existed
>Dostoevsky was a tutor
>H.G. Wells
>Huxley
>Orwell
>???

Seems like it gives you ample opportunities to understand all walks of life, you get stories from and about hundreds of new families. Microscopically, this is a goldmine, and macroscopically, it lets you understand where society is. As you get better at teaching, I imagine it just becomes second nature, you have more spare time that isn't cluttered by planning. There's generally a good stretch of holidays. The only downside is that modern teaching culture is centred around "care" and "empathy" which is faggot shit and attracts a lot of woke retards to the profession.

[Anonymous No.17292178]

>>17292160
That’s what I’m planning on doing once I finish college. Basically just collecting experiences in order to broaden your creative abilities. What country you want to teach in anon? For me, even though it’s pretty common and weeby I want to teach in Japan

[Anonymous No.17292213]

>>17292178
I start teaching this year, it wasn't my plan to be a writer on the side, I don't think I'll start writing til I'm at least 30, there's not much some overly coddled 20-odd year old has to say that's of any importance. I'm teaching in my home country, the dataminers don't need to know the country. It's not the US though, the pay is livable, and we're somewhat respected, not as much as some of those Scandinavian countries.

I actually went into teaching because like the other anon, I loved maths, did a degree in it, then realised I was a retard compared to the people that do PhDs. I was too smart to go into engineering or data/compsci, so I decided to become a teacher. My main plans for my first few years are to write an "extension" textbook that goes beyond our country's shitty curriculum for maths, because there's a lot of really beautiful results that are just completely overlooked, so you end up with a bunch of engineers because kids never realise the beauty of maths. I know that's faggy and reddit tier but I hate engineers so fucking much, if I can do my part to reduce the number of kids going into engineering, I'll have done my civic duty.

[Anonymous No.17292246]

>>17289589
Turn it into an autistic, law version of The Pale King

[Anonymous No.17292279]

>>17288077
I think I went to law school because I wanted to distinguish myself from my peers, but then I quickly realised that from law school and into practice you’re only ever surrounded by other lawyers. So you’re back at square one.

I hate the fact that I am defined by others, but I doubt I would be the lawyer I am today if didn’t constantly strive to distinguish myself from my peers.

[Anonymous No.17292340]

>>17288441
wear sunscreen

[Anonymous No.17292344]

>>17288373
>fellow coworkers are either swarthy felons fresh out of jail or, overwhelmingly, Mexicans who don't speak English
>somehow this is /lit/

[Anonymous No.17292358]

>tfw got a master's in molecular biology
>went into industry instead of going for a PhD
i really fucking hate academia

[Anonymous No.17292379]

Depressed Investmentbanker

[Anonymous No.17292451]

>>17288077
All these fucking lawyers ITT lmao, makes me realise how close I came to becoming one as well. I dropped out of law school to join the navy as an officer. I just qualified on skimmers and am now close to getting my dolphins

[Anonymous No.17292519]

>>17289589
Care to post some? I've been considering law school for a while but these posts make me more and more reluctant

[Anonymous No.17292654]

>>17288565
What you on about? Without marketers the publishers of the books you love, the makers of the technology you’re posting with and the company that made the clothes you’re wearing right now wouldn’t exist. You clearly don’t understand the marketing profession and its contribution.

[Anonymous No.17292689]

>>17289329
Are you worried that if you don’t publish another novel you’ll get dropped?

[Anonymous No.17292736]

I'm in med school and I'm finding it sometimes boring and sometimes interesting. I'm sick of studying those mindless heaps of information which I mostly won't need. I'm looking forward to being in the hospital for the internships. I'm afraid not to have much time to read or write or listen to music though. Somtimes I wanna quit and it'll take me an extra year because I've just refused to take some exams because I was reading and did not wanna half-ass them.

[Anonymous No.17292870]

Can someone explain how to even get a job? I live in Norway and yet it seems impossible. I don't want to do anything, I am too lazy to finish a degree and I can't talk to people because of autism. Can I apply for benefits?

[Anonymous No.17292888]

>>17288975
No. In this case though, the episode of whatever that was started a week after coming off of Abilify (after a taper of course), so it does seem directly related to the med.

I don't know how much stock I put into lifestyle changes, for me personally, I've been suicidally depressed while being very active physically. I don't think LARPing at normiehood will work for me, I always crash into the wall of other people thinking I'm weird.

[Anonymous No.17292900]

>>17292870
>Can I apply for benefits?

Thought Norway was one of those oh-so-enlightened countries where the answer is an easy 'Yes'.

[Anonymous No.17292934]

>>17292870
this but germany

[Anonymous No.17292985]

>>17292870
>>17292934
Same here, down South America.
I don’t want responsibility
I don’t want to work
I don’t like to feel tired
I don’t like anxiety or frustration
I don’t like to deal with the whole plethora of human unkindness and shrewdness
I don’t want to be taken advantage of
I don’t want to make mistakes
I don’t want to deal with the consequences of my stupid, careless, easily avoidable mistakes
I hate that feeling of regret, of “I should’ve taken this or that into consideration. I should’ve been more careful.”

[Anonymous No.17292997]

>>17292870
>>17292934
>>17292985
just become gay furry artist
you don't even need to know how to draw

[Anonymous No.17293012]

>>17292985
>>17292870
Read Nietzsche and learn to struggle you cucklords

[Anonymous No.17293068]

>>17292870
You'd have to move out if you want neetbux (unless you've worked before or get disability), and even then they just cover your basic living essentials.

t. Norwegian

[Anonymous No.17293096]

>>17288077
The real /lit/ career is to be a neet who writes garbage for 10+ years, then gets some recognition but never really makes it until he's dead. Why would you spend your days wage slaving when you could become a miserably poor neet who writes? Writing is what you want to do, right?

[Anonymous No.17293098]

>>17293068
Vil dei ikkje berre tvinga meg til å bu med mor mi?

[Anonymous No.17293379]

>>17288661
Its real boring but I make more than I did as an engineer and its only 40 hrs hard stop. If you dont go into FAGMAN or a startup you won't run into these issues. Also git gud.

[Anonymous No.17293665]

>>17288077
should’ve taken the public interest pill idiot

[Anonymous No.17293681]

>>17288782
you fucked up, should’ve gone to a t14 for that LRAP lmao

[Anonymous No.17293705]

im a sports journalist. 28 years old, write about local games for the daily paper. ive gone to a lot of college football games and events. my ex gf's dad worked at the paper, but she left me a few days ago and it sucks.

[Anonymous No.17294203]

I've been NEET for the last 5 years. I'm 30.

My networth is over 800k because of crypto, I am financially the most succesful person I know from my old classmates and old friends despite I spent most of my early 20s just abusing drugs and ended up in mental institution because of lsd abuse.

[Anonymous No.17294480]

>>17292985
Dont end up like me these past couple years dude, I know exactly what you feel I got diagnosed with a severe case of depression anxiety and Im guessing you’re young too with a similar case. Im a burger so dont know how it goes there but just find something thats low stress and where you can be alone. Im currently looking at landscaping or a trade like painting because they do that for me and I want to do more /out/ stuff. In my spare time I plan on writing, studying and working online like on upwork to get paid when I have an actual prose worth a shit and maybe one day make a book. You’re completely right about all of that shit but you have to find something that doesn't make you want to blow your head off with a shotgun. Start small by saving a lot of money before you move out or move in with a friend but just do something before its too late and you end up with a pathetic life and you constantly consider suicide.

[Anonymous No.17294619]

>>17292985
YO
NO QUIERO TRABAJAR
NO QUIERO IR A ESTUDIAR
NO ME QUIERO CASAAAAR

[Anonymous No.17294725]

only path now is to become a terrorist anon

[Anonymous No.17294975]

I always find posts about wageslavery, dead-end careers, burnt out office workers etc. so alien. Movies like Office Space where the guy's biggest problem is having a boring, cushy job and stable source of income. It's funny how unrelatable it is to me. I think I'd commit murder for a 45k/year job if I knew I would get away with it. It would barely cover rent and food in my city but it would be a dream job.
I've been chronically unemployed since I graduate 2.5 years ago, the only work I can find is construction. At this point in my life the only possible "career" I could pursue is the military. No one will hire me because I have no experience. I can't afford to go back to school. There are no "lit careers". There are no careers at all anymore. I am so so literally- economically and socially SUPERFLUOUS. Houellebcq and 19th C Russian authors cannot even conceive this level of superfluous.

[Anonymous No.17295092]

>>17292689
Yeah, a little. I'm going to commit to finishing the first draft over summer. My parents own a little cottage over in the cotswolds I'm going to hunker down in and just hammer away.

[Anonymous No.17295226]

>>17291054
Based. /lit/cels should just be ESL teachers
>good hourly pay
>low cost of living
>sub 40 hours/week
>easy as piss job
>hot brown women everywhere

[Anonymous No.17295270]

>>17295226
Im about to do consider starting a TEFL course because the only thing I would consider at this point, only other thing I would do is a trade and that isnt /lit/ at all

[Anonymous No.17295322]

>>17293096
This entire thread is full of autists, dilettantes and poseurs jobposting instead of /lit/posting (except the one guy writing a novel). Luckily for me, I'm a NEET.

[Anonymous No.17295415]

>>17295270
Do you have a degree? No point in getting a meme TEFL certificate unless you have or will soon have a bachelor's degree.

[Anonymous No.17295565]

>>17295415
no but I heard if you're doing it for spanish its fine to get jobs regardless of it

[Anonymous No.17295887]

>>17295565
Can't weigh in there, my experience is in China. My guess would be that you're going to make terrible money though.

[Anonymous No.17295935]

>>17292654
>Without marketers the publishers of the books you love, the makers of the technology you’re posting with and the company that made the clothes you’re wearing right now wouldn’t exist. You clearly don’t understand the marketing profession and its contribution.
Delusion. Marketing is about beating the other guy but it's not needed to make the technologies viable. Pure delusion.

[Anonymous No.17295967]

>>17295887
eh, if it's enough to get by I wont mind I live minimally especially if Im living in that country where everything is cheap anyway

[Anonymous No.17295972]

Phlebotomost here. May not be exactly /lit/ but ive gotten more lit endeavours done here than any job. I enjoy my job, get to hear all kind of weird life stories from patients, its easy too. Plus lots of downtime in the lab for me to read and study languages. Can get pretty busy and aggravating at times but it's been pretty comfy for the most part.

[Anonymous No.17296024]

>>17295972
I've always wanted to go into an health related field. I love the subjects you study and interacting with people, not to mention in my country it's one of the very few fields that are still doing well. But I'm such a squeamish pussy I literally threw up when my sister showed me one of those videos where they pop pimples, I couldn't look at people's gross body issues as a job

[Anonymous No.17296122]

>>17291126
where do you live

[Anonymous No.17296142]

>>17288077
I'm a tradie and I read more now than I did when I was in college.

[Anonymous No.17296160]

How hard is it to get some bureaucratic job in the civil service in a medium-size US municipality?

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.17296187]

>>17288565
t. incel manual laborer quickly headed towards suckling the welfare teet

[Anonymous No.17296207]

>>17295935
Technologies do not take off because of viability, but marketing.

[Anonymous No.17296230]

>>17296160
Almost impossible now with COVID restrictions and tax revenue depletions. Give it five to ten years.

[Anonymous No.17296351]

>>17288305
Current post man. Wouldn't recommend it unless you adore podcasts. I suppose if you liked audiobooks it would be nice, but I don't so I'm phucked.
I'm probably going to apply to be a security guard for a local factory pretty soon. It'll give me more time to take some classes so I can improve, or not. Maybe I'll just get drunk. I don't know yet.

[Anonymous No.17296356]

>>17288782

You have to start your own firm. Law is not supposed to be a mechanized profession, you're supposed to be essentially an artisan. That's how to be happy in it. It's not like it's hard to make money suing giant megacorporations. All of them are fucking evil. I know lawyers making low six figures just getting consumer clients and settling out the cases at a couple thousand a pop after writing a letter. Texas has really strong statutes on that. If you actually have the money to fund larger cases (or can get it through litigation funding) it's really not hard. You need to know how to do a case start to finish, but once you do the cost to fight you is crazy, especially if you are finding clients that actually get screwed over. Look for fee shifting statutes, there are many. FDCPA is an easy one to find people, you really have lots of options. I started my own firm about a year ago with a friend and we're hiring other attorneys already. There are so many people who can't find lawyers and it's because everyone thinks they can't go out on their own. It just takes time to get some settlements rolling in. If you are actually good (i.e. you can beat Biglaw attorneys) you will get rich.

[Anonymous No.17296368]

>>17289058
Damn dude, nice.

[Anonymous No.17296499]

>>17288233
which branch of engineering? EE here considering pursuing patent law.

[Anonymous No.17296614]

>>17288552
Did you sex her afterwards?

[Anonymous No.17296635]

>>17291944
Late reply incoming and thank you
1. Imagine a girl being raped versus a man raping a girl. The first sentence is written in passive and illustrates the female POV - she is the object of the action/dominance of the subject. The second sentence is written in active and naturally assumes the POV of the man. Passive should only be used when its done to illustrate that someone is the object of a dominant subject.
2. Substance is the meaning you're intending to produce and form is how you convey it. If you are not entirely sure what you're trying to say, no amount of rhetoric will make you clearer - only more obscure, which is also a gaslighting tactic when used strategically (Hegel mastered this discipline)
3. Look at point number 1 and consider how the story changes depending on who is the locus of control. Shifting in perspective can achieve many good results like creating a more unpredictable scene. The art of instilling a distinct voice to each characters stream of consciousness and utterances in written language is the most important skill here to master.

Hope it answered you questions anon

[Anonymous No.17296754]

Is law that bad? I was thinking about doing law in my hometown after I left the Army. A lwayer friend of the family said there was decent opportunity for small town lawyers in my home state.

[Anonymous No.17296816]

>>17293705
sorry to hear anon keep your head up

[Anonymous No.17296834]

i became a permanent substitute teacher at an elementary school; i still live with my parents as of right now. pay is not bad for teaching small classes of kids basic shit for 5.5 hours a day

[Anonymous No.17296879]

>>17295322
me too I haven't worked since 2016

all the wagies ITT are NEVER going to make it

[Anonymous No.17296977]

>>17289478
You’re and absolute moron if you are autistic and going to get an MBA. You’ll do terrible. MBA’s are consistently THE most extroverted group of individuals all brought together to work on group projects. The actual curriculum is totally meaningless.

[Anonymous No.17297061]

>>17292213
I feel sorry for you. Thinking that an engineer/compsci student can't appreciate the beauty of maths, or that all those who pursue engineering do so because they feel they are too stupid to pursue math is both a close-minded and, honestly, really pathetic view of things. I'm an EE with a PhD in maths teaching math to future engineers and I can guarantee you that the beauty of math is not lost in them.

[Anonymous No.17297192]

>>17294975
why don't you just make up some experience on your CV? Do a job that's not too hard and if they find out you lied you're just jobless again.

[Anonymous No.17297361]

>>17294975
>19th C Russian authors cannot even conceive this level of superfluous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluous_man

[Anonymous No.17297379]

>>17289474
what do you do, anon?

[Anonymous No.17297409]

>>17288177
I went the same way. People like to shit on our field because of how fluffy it is, but I’m glad that if it actually works out for me I’m going to have an outlet to put my creativity to work, at the very least. It was either this or supply chain management for me and I just know I don’t have a deep enough well of motivation to be good or give a shit about something like that.

I just resent that lots of employers still expect people to have four year degrees in this shit. It’s really not necessary at all.

[Anonymous No.17297426]

>>17290142
tbqh thats life in south america

[Anonymous No.17297632]

>>17290143
>blah blah blah careers jobs industry call email reputation network happy to have a coffee gigs don't waste time fail at a bunch of stuff take risks build your resume blah blah blah fucking blah

Why is everyone sucking this post's dick its the most generic corporate career advice ever. "building your resume is better than being a NEET" OK thanks dude that never occurred to me before, enjoy your staid prosperity

and maybe I am fucking Proust how do you know, maybe i and two or three of my twitter friends are capable of greatness, people like you will never know and never find out because you don't have the guts

[Anonymous No.17297663]

>>17297632
Based

[Anonymous No.17297675]

>>17290143
wow thanks dad

[Anonymous No.17297891]

>>17290477
Nice broski. I got a 157 a few months ago. Been studying ever since. Gonna take the LSAT this Sunday. My practice test high score is a 176 so that’s what I’m hoping for. Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.17298050]

>>17288253
How? I want to do this but I’m worried I won’t be able to afford my student loans and I can’t exactly go to a trade school.

[Anonymous No.17298119]

>>17296356
>>17296356
>>17296356
OP here. What practice of law do you practice? How did you get the necessary experience? Starting my own firm sounds comfy as fuck; my dad has his own firm in Mexico and he's his own boss and does whatever the fuck he wants. I don't think I would hate law if I got to fight big corporations instead of working FOR them.

[Anonymous No.17298456]

>>17294480
>upwork
Anyone on here try doing this to get some experience in freelance writing/marketing? Thinking of doing this to get myself some experience but I'm not sure how well newcomers fare doing it.

[Anonymous No.17298642]

>>17288517
Read authors/thinkers with math competency. Contemporary philosophy caters to you.

>>17288661
Phone apps for local businesses

>>17288975
Prison psychiatry is where the shekels are at

>>17289058
>bunch of journeymen writers getting editorial critique/bouncing ideas/methods off each other
Sounds comfy

[Anonymous No.17298839]

>>17297632
very based

[Anonymous No.17298946]

>>17298119

Consumer lawsuits which is broad but literally just find some company fucking over people and then figure out a fee shifting statute that lets you sue them and get paid if you win. Buy some NCLC books (subscribe for a year to the digital and it's like $100 each) and you will have endless ideas. I taught myself this area of law but know the litigation process from working for another firm in another area where I got trial experience. If you're in Texas it is a good state for it just because the statute (DTPA) is very strong. Clients are everywhere online. I literally studied for like a year full time to learn it but once you do, plenty of options. You need $ to pay for cost of living, filing fees etc. and if you don't have much you have to pick cases that don't need experts at first. I used NCLC and just started reading cases in Google scholar and making a big list of what arguments people make. Once you can afford Courtlink you can literally search everyone else's filings and use their complaints, motions etc. as templates. If you have a good resume litigation funding is easy to get too for larger cases although terms are shitty until you have won some cases or gotten bigger settlements. There are people making lots of money just picking some asshole behavior and camping on suits for it. One guy I ran across just sues spammers and has it down to a science. It takes time to get things going though, plan on a few years to ramp up. You can do doc review or hourly work to make ends meet in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.17298976]

>>17298642
>Prison psychiatry is where the shekels are at
Did not know about this, thanks anon gonna look into it.

[Anonymous No.17299004]

>>17288558
I write now is night, the truth does not suffer from being written down

[Anonymous No.17299008]

>>17296635
>Hope it answered you questions anon
It did, and I'll put it to practice soon. Thanks anon. May God repay you.

[Anonymous No.17299089]

>>17288729
If it makes you feel any better I had a manic episode a few years ago that I'm "cured" from. For me it had to do with my own Ego and feeling like I hadn't accomplished enough in life. I did some soul searching and read some Jung, and I'd like to think I'm more integrated now than I was then. I'm not saying get off the pill necessarily, just do some introspection and look into why you were abusing LSD/had the psychosis in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17299096]

>>17298946
Well this is something to consider. I am in Texas so I guess that makes things easier for me. Like I said, I work in a law firm doing patent law and I make good money doing it, so I'm in a good position. Just need to take the LSAT and have my firm pay for law school...

[Anonymous No.17299102]

>>17288929
Given that the same money is repeatedly spent it’s gotta be way more than half.

[Anonymous No.17299164]

>>17299096

The guy who does the spam suits did it himself before he was even a lawyer just suing them in small claims court. He was just auto-winning because the amounts were a few thousand a time and it didn't make economic sense to hire a lawyer to show up and fight him. He started making money at it full time and then got a law degree to go bigger. If you haven't actually gone to law school then plan on trying to spend a few years at a firm doing any kind of litigation where you get experience quickly. There is a lot to the process but what people don't get is how expensive it is to deal with a lawsuit for the company. Even a small suit is going to cost them $100k to defend and with fee shifting they have to pay your fees. If you do bigger ones it could be $5 million or $10 million easily. Planned Parenthood just had some case where they made a filing saying they spent $18 million to take a RICO suit to trial (with big firm lawyers of course). Your costs as plaintiff are astronomically lower. The best advice I can give is to be the good guys. Judges and juries do not root for the bad guys to win. If you are doing contingent fee work you get to pick your clients. Pick someone who deserves to win and eventually the other side will figure out that they are paying insane money to fight a losing battle and they will settle. You have lots to learn to do something like this (about business and law) but it is way more fulfilling than writing patents.

[Anonymous No.17299243]

>>17295226
Do you have to know the language of the country you're teaching in? The thought of going to a Baltic country for a while is enticing to me but I don't actually want to learn any of those languages.

[Anonymous No.17299256]

>>17288850
How the fuck do you get off the helpdesk? I've been on the helpdesk for two fucking years and I want to kill myself. It seems like every "good" job (e.g. sys admin, network admin) is oversaturated. Do I really need to get a Bachelor's + 5 certificates in order to break 50k?

[Anonymous No.17299306]

>>17288077
Well, I'm in the "graduating in physics and possibly going for a PhD but not feeling passion for it and looking for as many hobbies as possible being amateur in all of them wondering whether it's getting too late for anything new"

I'd say it's pretty comfy, desu

[Anonymous No.17299312]

>>17290510
Part time work that isn't something like teaching or being in an office with a bunch of other livestock. Then becoming the mother to my children and staying at home.

[Anonymous No.17299330]

>>17288834
https://youtu.be/afkN9H9aLow

[Anonymous No.17299375]

I work outdoors in a plant nursery. Mostly in the big fields growing the plant stock.
I'm surrounded by nature and beauty.
My work has made me tanned and muscled and even turned my hair a slight blonde.
It pays ok because the conditions can be harsh.
I don't know if it's /lit/ but I feel like I'm living.

[Anonymous No.17299506]

>>17299312
Are you looking for a sperm donor?

[Anonymous No.17299558]

>>17289739
Find a smart cunt and do all his patents for him, work smarter not harder

[Anonymous No.17299574]

I study psychology and want to become a clin psych with the ultimate goal of becoming a school psychologist/high psychology teacher at a cushy private school in australia

Anybody have advice or thoughts?

[Anonymous No.17299709]

>>17299008
Godspeed, anon

[Anonymous No.17299855]

>>17297361
That's why I referenced that demographic you fucking retard. Those authors wrote about men who could have found a use for themselves. Thy were aristocrats who could have found a way out of nihilism. At least they could have expressed a measure of their influence if they truly wanted to. I have no such possibility.

[Anonymous No.17300140]

>>17298642
>Read authors/thinkers with math competency. Contemporary philosophy caters to you.
well this may be a good idea.
My favourite writer is Proust though

[Anonymous No.17300210]

>>17297632
His base arguments are
>enduring bs on your job gives you resiliency
>take risks
>start/do something
I know this board is filled with illiterate wannabe niggers like you but I can tell you nobody will give a shit about a compilation of your twitter shit. The only marketable skill you can get off twitter is building a userbase which you fuck aren't capable of. Get a fucking job, nigger

[Anonymous No.17300227]

>>17299506
Actually, yes

[Anonymous No.17300448]

>>17292736
anon I was in your position literally a couple months ago - have med exams in 2 days. some practical advice: you're /lit/ so probably mentally disabled enough to convince your doctor you have adhd/depression - get this and uni will make exams easier and you'll get benefits. the way things are moving, these will only increase.

the end goal of philosophy can't exist, but heraclitus probably faked it best and this was sharpened by 19th century germans and launched beautifully and honestly by nietzsche, though his philosophy was a serious LARP/cope. nietzsche's faggy offspring (ie french 20th century philosophy) show that boundaries are humanity's greatest and only resource. thus i would suggest you take a thought about what you are actually going to do with your life. it's the 21st century. if you can't convince yourself to be an influencer, you need to work. medicine is one of the best opportunities for this as something that evolves and requires you to exist, and impact existences tangibly. the harder you grind at the useless parts, the more you will have lived, and in the end your brain will stop being able to function optimally once you've hit 30. few people on lit are 30+, and those that are LARP/tripfag. lit has no idea what the world post-30 is - their best option. out of college with a head full of schiller and starbucks is probably an hero. you need to think about where you are, and what you are, and what you can/cannot be. look outside your favourite lit works and see they were written by humans who were restricted. what kind of a man was hegel? step 1, stop letting underaged social-college spenders and impossible poets lie to you.

what country/year are you studying in?

[Anonymous No.17300504]

>>17288077
I'm a night shift security guard. Been doing it for almost three years now. I'm a bit of a hermit and don't like to be around other people so it works out well. The pay is shit but that's okay because I get disability from the army. I'm like just the barest smidgeon above a NEET. It's not very engaging, but my internal world is pretty rich so it works out well. Lots of time to read and work on the novel I'm writing. If I ever actually pull it off, it'll really be something.

[Anonymous No.17300521]

>>17296024
radiology

[Anonymous No.17300552]

>>17298642
prison psychiatry? in which country?

[Anonymous No.17300568]

I work in a machine shop cutting steel bars. It is mind bunking besides the fact that I can listen to anything I want through earbuds. I don't think listening to books much helps writing though, but maybe storytelling in person.
Soon my friends and I are getting back into starting a gardening company. Sounds like something guatemalans do but nice old white ladies don't like having them around too much. Not much more /lit/ but at least we can all become our own boss in some way.

[Anonymous No.17300586]

>>17290510
librarian
but being a mom is still superior

[Anonymous No.17300592]

>>17289683
Not that anon.

I fixed planes :c

[Anonymous No.17300612]

>>17299574
have you considered 'oh-so-reductive' psychiatry and why you would choose psychology instead? within your lifetime psychology will go from something that was once our closest attempt at a science of human nature to utterly vapid posturing. read up on its trajectory over the last century before committing to that. at worst you do something difficult in your life and then return for an easy postgrad psychology where people might be honest/give a shit about the subject.

[Anonymous No.17300627]

>>17300612
>read up on its trajectory over the last century before committing to that.
have you got something for me to read?

[Anonymous No.17300642]

anthropologist/journalist-who-embeds-in-subcultures. just imagine the level of based. joe goes, louis theroux, all gas no brakes, people fucking love to eat the shit up. and you get to really see what depths your fellow man has fallen to.
now if only someone who was actually employed as such would post here to prove these people aren't extremely rare flukes.

[Anonymous No.17300675]

>>17300627
i wouldn't recommend a book, but would ask how familiar are you with psychology outside the increasingly limited scope of what you're taught? how much do you read about the history and lives behind the names? what do you enjoy about the models and f rameworks you are being taught by professors?

there's a reason the greatest psychologists were either writers or philosophers.

[Anonymous No.17300725]

>>17300675
I've read some Jung and Nietzsche.
Can you explain what you mean by limited scope? What is it that they don't teach that you think its very important?
I understand somewhat where you're coming from, I'd wager most of my classmates wouldnt have read Jung or Freud before but I could be wrong.
I guess to me my main goal is to give intelligent young people a good springboard to learn philosophy and psychology as an adult either at university or in their own time.
Preferably while earning a good amount of money too

[Anonymous No.17300986]

>>17300725
it sounds a noble goal, anon, until you realise that teaching kids infinite-reaching philosophy or ephermeral psychology in a world that will only truly ask of them to produce (and not create) is essentially giving them adhd, which will make their career impossible, prison, or circlejerk student->teacher of someone else's ideas. if you are not creating yourself, philosophy can only be a side-hustle, and turning it into a job is a con. psychology is the complete other side - it depends which feels more honest to you.

either way, it sounds to me like you have high hopes but are dangerously still trapped in the academia bubble and don't intend to leave. the real world will be more kafka than kafka could have predicted. maybe you'd do well to read faust and rub your eyes.

[Anonymous No.17301030]

>>17300986
What's your end point?
What else should I do with my life then, the picture you paint is bleak with seemingly no alternatives. If that's the case, I may as well stick to what I'm doing as at least I get the satisfaction of trying to do what I want

[Anonymous No.17301117]

>>17288077
plastic surgery

[Anonymous No.17301154]

>>17300227
thought this was dasha from the thumbnail

[Anonymous No.17301830]

>>17297061
You don't know what pathetic means and write like a woman.