Why didn't Nietzsche listen to Wagner?

[Anonymous No.17287627]

>In the evening we are visited by Dr. Rée, whose cold and precise character does not appeal to us; on closer inspection we come to the conclusion that he must be an Israelite.
>R. reads some of Nietzsche's latest book [Human, All Too Human] and is astonished by its pretentious ordinariness. "I can understand why [Paul] Rée's company is more congenial to him than mine." And when I remark that to judge by this book N.'s earlier ones were just reflections of something else, they did not come from within, he says, "And now they are Rée-flections!"
- Cosima diary

[Anonymous No.17287645]

>>17287627
>Rée-flections

[Anonymous No.17287651]

Wagner BTFO
https://youtu.be/9HyHkQ578rI

[Anonymous No.17287654]

>>17287627
Did he just call Nietzsche a spiritual jew?

[Anonymous No.17287659]

>>17287627
>Reeee

[Anonymous No.17287663]

>>17287654
Nietzsche called him a spiritual jew too. It was the 19th century German's way of busting balls.

[Anonymous No.17287666]

What was the 4th dimensional being she mentioned??? I want to know more about that rando's psycothic episode.

[Anonymous No.17287679]

>>17287663
Kek. I’m gonna need a source on that.

[Anonymous No.17287681]

there's a book called Nietzsche & Wagner: A Lesson in Subjugation that, albeit somewhat poorly written (has a forced narrative about Nietzsche & Cosima's 'romantic relationship'), is a fascinating deep dive on their friendship.

[Anonymous No.17287696]

>>17287679
From contra Wagner:

>Wagner has the mind of the ordinary man who prefers to trace things to one cause. The Jews do the same: one aim, therefore one Saviour. In this way he simplifies German and culture; wrongly but strongly.

>I believe that the Jews approach Wagner's art with more understanding than the Aryans do.

>But can it be possible that Wagner is a Jew? In that case we could readily understand his dislike of Jews.

[Anonymous No.17287710]

>>17287666
Your satanic trips confirm it. These are all I could find.

>(Our poor friend Hagen [Edmund von Hagen (1850-1907): German philosopher, and writer on Wagner] seems to be insane.
>A visit in the evening from our poor friend Hagen, who, in reply to my calm questioning, seriously maintains that a 4th-dimensional being is upsetting his mind. R. tries to convince him that everything happens inside us and there are no attacks from outside, but I fear it is in vain. "I have nice supporters," R. says with a laugh. "I should have liked to see Hagen and Nietzsche going for a walk together!"

[Anonymous No.17288124]

>>17287696
>But can it be possible that Wagner is a Jew? In that case we could readily understand his dislike of Jews.
This fucking banter

[Anonymous No.17288165]

>At noon arrival of a new book [Human, All Too Human] by friend Nietzsche—feelings of apprehension after a short glance through it; R. feels he would be doing the author a favor, for which the latter would one day thank him, if he did not read it. It seems to me to contain much inner rage and sullenness, and R. laughs heartily when I say that Voltaire, here so acclaimed [Nietzsche dedicated Human, All Too Human to Voltaire], would less than any other man have understood The Birth of Tragedy.
>R. wanted to amuse himself by sending Prof. Nietzsche a telegram of congratulations on Voltaire's birthday [Nietzsche dedicated Human, All Too Human to Voltaire], but I advise him against it and recommend silence here, as in many other things.

[Anonymous No.17288248]

>>17288165
>>R. wanted to amuse himself by sending Prof. Nietzsche a telegram of congratulations on Voltaire's birthday [Nietzsche dedicated Human, All Too Human to Voltaire], but I advise him against it and recommend silence here, as in many other things.
Based Cosima.

[Anonymous No.17288316]

Tell me about Nietzsche. Why does he wear the stache?

[Anonymous No.17289116]

>>17288316
Stache or Neckbeard?

[Anonymous No.17289126]

>>17289116
my nigga sportin the chin strap 100 years before it became a trend

[Anonymous No.17290045]

>Talking again about E. T. A. Hoffmann, R. says he is always intrigued by the dilettantism in Germany, for to a certain extent all our greatest poets have been dilettantes, who produce sketches, in contrast to the Greeks, whose work always seems complete and assured. This leads us on to Prof. N.'s work ["The Birth of the Tragic Concept"], and R. says, "He is the only living person, apart from Constantin Frantz, who has provided me with something, a positive enrichment of my outlook."
(Cosima diary 01-05-71)
>Arrival of Prof. Nietzsche's book [The Birth of Tragedy]. [....] at midday I find R. very excited and stimulated by Prof. Nietzsche's book, he is happy to have lived to read it; he says after me comes N[ietzsche]. and then Lenbach, who painted his picture, and he observes how dreary his life would have been if he had died ten years ago [....] He calls me his priestess of Apollo—he says I am the Apollonian element, he the Dionysian, but we made an alliance, a pact, and from it came Fidi! [....] In the evening we read Nietzsche's book, which is really splendid; R. thinks of the people who at the moment set the tone in Germany and wonders what the fate of this book will be; he hopes in Bayreuth to start a periodical, which Prof. Nietzsche would edit.
(01-03-72)
>R., who had a good night, after breakfast plays the first scene to our friend [Nietzsche], and that upsets [R.] so much that the whole day through he can eat nothing and is very run down. All the same, there is much discussion of the reform of educational establishments, also of the German character.
(02-19-72)
>Prof. Nietzsche sends Hase's Polemik and a letter to him from my father [Franz Liszt], who claims precedence for Golgotha and Tabor over Helicon and Parnassus.
(03-10-72)
>Letter from Prof. N., who sends us Herr von Wilamowitz's pamphlet attacking him. Observations arising out of this newest example of nastiness; R. sees the present state of the world as a sad one; professors educating more specialist professors, no humanistic education spreading its influence—the jurist, for example, never thinks of studying philology and philosophy, just all specialist subjects.
(06-09-72)
>More and more we are considering, R. and I, the question of education; thoughts of establishing a model school, with Nietzsche, Rohde, Overbeck, Lagarde. Could the King be induced to sponsor it? ...
(01-21-76)

Just imagine what they would have accomplished had they stayed together, a Wagner-Nietzsche school?

[Anonymous No.17290200]

>>17290045
would have been 2x the autism

[Anonymous No.17291388]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.17293235]

>>17287627
Because

[Anonymous No.17293503]

>>17290045
KEK