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no one:
literally no one:
stoics be like: enjoyment? that’s for simps

>> No.17286201

>>17286187
Read Seneca before you judge; he's in favor of periodically getting shitfaced (for philosophical reasons).

>> No.17286240

>>17286187
Go back

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17286275

>>17286187
Epicurus proven wrong.

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>>17286187
epic

>> No.17286370

it's not about no enjoyment, its about coping with the absence of enjoyment

>> No.17286437

Karl Marx: *exists*
Ben Shapiro: I’m gonna end this man’s whole career

>> No.17286572

>>17286187

hahahahahhahahahaha lol so funny how do I upvote I'm new here

>> No.17286929

>>17286187
Happiness is for the weak

>> No.17287492

>>17286187
stoics coping that they forgot the esotericism of philosophy and were left with profane spiritless materialism

>> No.17287500

>>17286187
https://www.patreon.com/deadenddraws

>> No.17287527

No where in stoicism does it speak negatively of enjoyment.

>> No.17287569

>>17287492
Imagine being this retarded
Just because stoics claimed that their doctrines work even if gods don't exist doesn't mean they were irreligious
They were often associated with religiousness in fact
In Zeus the Tragedian, the position in favour of the Providence of the Gods is held by the stoic Timocles

>> No.17287583

>>17286187
Stoics be like:
Cuck
Pedo
Gay

>> No.17287674

>>17287492
stoicism is above all a metaphysical view

>> No.17288639

He's right about everything.

>> No.17288686

>>17286187
Stoics: yo dude, just remember that living your whole life chasing pleasure and hiding from pain is emotionally dangerous and unfulfilling
Modern discourse: tHatS tOxiC MasCuLinIty

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>>17286187
Stoicism is cool hypothetically, but in real life its giga cringe. Probably the best stoics are those that never self identify and never pour over the literature.

>> No.17288733

>>17286187
I think stoicism can potentially inhibit your personality from developing. Emotions aren’t to be fucked with..

>> No.17288935

yes because thats what stoicism is about

>> No.17288947

>>17288733
Screaming and throwing a tantrum like a child inhibits your personality from developing

>> No.17288954

>>17288733
stoicism doesnt mean not feeling anything

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>>17288947
>yeah well doing the complete opposite to the extreme is bad too!
Wow Im convinced thanks anon

>> No.17288971

>>17288733
Stoicism is about accepting your emotions instead out trying to simulate them by chasing the ones you want to feel through conditioning

>> No.17289253

>>17286201
I am Seneca

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>>17286187
Stoicism is just rational living

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17289302

>>17289270
"Rationality" is whiteness

>> No.17289340

>>17289302
I wonder if they did one for themselves (african americans).

>> No.17289362

>>17289340
Kek the person who made it was white, do you really think black people would want to distance themselves from a good work ethic?

>> No.17289373

>>17287492
Stoics are well known to blame missfortunes to "destiny"

>> No.17289378

>>17289373
or providence

>> No.17289384

>>17289302
It cracks me up how people think being on time and doing your work well are "white."

>> No.17289390

>>17286187
Imagine being this autistic

>> No.17289399

This thread is so much like a youtube comment section, it's uncanny.

>> No.17289428

Stoicism is cool but there's more things un life

>> No.17290229

Stoics are stupid faggots

>> No.17290353

>>17286187
your meme-bonics is off

>> No.17290710

>>17290229
Fuck off Jesus or we’ll kill you again

>> No.17290717

>>17286187
I like this post because it's a shitpost but it's actually true. They saw enjoyment as a type of mania no different from sorrow.

>> No.17290719

>>17288717
>never pour over the literature.
Agreed, the pages get all warped.

>> No.17290724

>>17290717
Source? I mean, yeah, Marcus wasn’t exactly a party animal, but can you show me where Seneca or Epictetus or whoever says that enjoyment is a form of mania?

>> No.17290733

>>17288717
That's true, people that talk a lot about stoicism are ironically rarely stoic. My dad is very stoic but I wouldnt know if he's ever read any of them because he's never mentioned it. He just behaves that way. Very little bothers him. I've seen him angry like three times in my entire life. Very different from ecelebs that tawk about it

>> No.17290736

I just take some things from stoicism, like the acceptance of what's outside of your control, and disregard the rest

>> No.17290737

>>17290724
If you're taking enjoyment in externals then per Epictetus you are out of your mind. There's a little wiggle room I suppose in finding "enjoyment" in God's creation, but if externals make you happy, then losing them will make you sad; that's not stoic.

>> No.17290747

>>17290737
> If you're taking enjoyment in externals then per Epictetus you are out of your mind
Can you refer me to a specific writing? Of course Epictetus likes to harp on about the folly of getting attached to externals, but I have trouble imagining even him saying “If you enjoy an external, you’re out of your mind.”

>> No.17290756

>>17290747
I'm synthesizing very many instances of Epictetus saying that externals are neither good nor bad. "Good and bad lie only in the will," not in externals. This is the major theme in his discourses. If externals cannot be good then how would a stoic enjoy them? Enjoying them would be judging them, and they're beyond judgment.

>> No.17290854

Stoicism has some value, but it would better to take a little of every school, than to to devote yourself to just one.

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the normalfags have completely taken over

>> No.17290877

>>17290875
(+1)