/sffg/ Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.17283669]

Garth Nix edition

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>>17270866

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
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>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

[Anonymous No.17283698]

>>17283669
Fuck Ancelstierre
Fuck Kerrigor
Fuck Hedge
Abhorsens own the Dead

[Anonymous No.17283717]

>>17283669
Based abhorsenposter.
>Keys to the Kingdom was just OK

[Anonymous No.17283752]

>>17283669
>tfw no charter magic gf
>tfw no talking cat familiar
>why even live old kingdom bros

[Anonymous No.17283776]

How is this for Fantasy + Smut?

[Anonymous No.17283796]

>>17283200
>I assume they have decent writers that are untranslated
Chinese fantasy is very difficult to translate into understandable English, even web novels are filled with tons of cultural and historical references that just flies over the translators and readers.

[Anonymous No.17283813]

>The series is done. Eärwa is done. If I ever publish another book, it’ll be some detective shit. Cry about it.

[Anonymous No.17283823]

I want to talk about Elder Empire!

[Anonymous No.17283826]

>>17283823
Is this any good? I love cradle

[Anonymous No.17283831]

>>17283669
Next Frontlines book when?

[Anonγmous No.17283875]

I read all of Unsouled/Cradle1 in a single day but have zero desire to continue the series.

[Anonymous No.17283879]

I'm reading Cradle, and it's been decent so far (on book six), but I'm getting pretty annoyed with how inconsistent the power-walls are between the different stages of advancement. For example, when Eithan introduced himself as an Underlord in the Transcendent Ruins, the force of his presence was enough to paralyze the nearby Truegolds and drop them to the floor; Jai Long immediately gave up when he came face to face with the Underlord patriarch of his clan, and he couldn't even see him move when he subdued the Sandviper leader. But then in book six, Lindon and Yerin fight against two powerful Underlords as Truegolds almost to a standstill. Yerin even fights both of them on her own with her Blood Shadow for a while and injures one of them.
I could give more examples, like when Lindon, in a fair fight, defeats the Truegold dragon in Ghostwater who was two stages above him, despite the story repeatedly hammering in the massive power differences between even one stage.
Main characters obviously get special privileges, but these types of glaring inconsistencies really takes you out of the story.

[Anonymous No.17283889]

>tfw no absolute

[Anonymous No.17283897]

>>17283813
source?

[Anonymous No.17283902]

>>17283879
tbf eithan is a very strong underlord

[Anonymous No.17283909]

For when you need a break from grimderp.

[Anonymous No.17283924]

>>17283826
It's more traditional fantasy than Cradle but I liked it enough. Read Calder's books. Shera a shit.

[Anonymous No.17283967]

>>17283909
>christ man bad

just read guards guards and leave it at that

[Anonγmous No.17283969]

does Lindon ever get any pussy in Cradle?

[Anonymous No.17283977]

>>17283902
His is not the only example. Jai Long was a Truegold when he faced the Jai patriarch, he even had another Truegold with him, but the story made it clear then that fighting an Underlord as a Truegold was pointless. Then it suddenly isn't when Yerin and Lindon has to fight them.

[Anonymous No.17284006]

>>17283977
blackflame op

[Anonymous No.17284224]

>>17283669
Jesus, last thread reached its limit real fast.

[Anonymous No.17284319]

>>17283969
It’s YA, so you’ll have to settle for just a kiss.

[Anonymous No.17284426]

>>17284224
Ever since Bakkerspamming it's been a new thread almost every day.

[Anonγmous No.17284442]

>>17284319
>so you’ll have to settle for just a kiss
f-from who??

[Anonymous No.17284487]

>>17283669
based af. Lireal is my favorite just for the underground library/labyrinth. So many possibilities behind all those doors, and all of them requiring an adventure to unseal

[Anonymous No.17284556]

>>17283813
Imagine getting to this point and NOT continuing. Bakker needs to get off his ass.

[Anonymous No.17284568]

>>17284556
Blame Overlook

[Anonymous No.17284585]

>>17284568
Blame pirates not buying his books.

[Anonymous No.17284640]

>>17284585
That doesn't seem fair. He's definitely got a decent sized following, and if the series got a following, the numbers would go up because people feel better about finished series.

[Anonymous No.17284654]

>>17284640
Capitalism and the free market doesn't care about fairness. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.17284693]

>>17284654
They actually do, "fair" simply means that which is true. What I am contesting is your interpretation of events. Is it actually confirmed that we're not getting The No God?

[Anonymous No.17284705]

>February 19
What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.17284713]

Thread question: What is the future of the fantasy genre?

Can we escape character-driven stories for a while, or are things fine as they are? The future of entertainment is all about niches, we curate our own content using streaming services and YouTube dashboards. This makes me wonder why we haven't gone back to autistic worldbuilding and conlangs and deep fantasy social, political and religious systems, so that every IP has very few but very passionate fans.

Sometimes I think it's all too commercial and there's no "soul" in fantasy anymore, but I rationalize it as baseless nostalgia, weren't pulp serials de epitome of dragging out stories to keep the money and readership coming?

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.17284771]

>>17283669
Infomocracy, Centenal Cycle #1 - Malka Ann Older (2016)
The first quarter or so may be rough going for many as it's little else other than worldbuilding presented through political campaigning and electioneering. While the book does shift focus later on, overall it's about the political process of Earth in the 2060s through and through. At the 25% mark, I was thinking a low 3 stars, and was somewhat disappointed. By 50% I was at 3.5 because it had become more action oriented. When I finished it was 4 and I knew I'd try to read the rest of the trilogy. It took most of the book, but I eventually succumbed to enjoying the world and being amused by the characters to where I wanted more of it all.
This book is concerned with its ideas to the exclusion of almost all else. The central idea is that the world is ruled by various governments through the process of micro-democracy. Centenals, groupings of 100k people, form the basis of this system. This means that a city with one million residents could theoretically have ten governments with radically different laws. This is overseen by an organization called Information, which is the Internet, the regulatory body for all politics, a peacekeeping force, and other assorted functions. The governmental elections are held every ten years and one is currently being held.
There are four viewpoint characters, though two of them are primary. Not much should be expected from the characters as they exist to demonstrate how the political process works, for better and worse. The characters are the The Guy Who Stumbles Into Success, The High-Functioning Chuunibyou, The Revolutionary With An Afro (White), and The Oblivious One.
There's technically a romance subplot, but it's mostly that within minutes of the two characters meeting they have sex and decide they are in a relationship for the rest of the book, more or less.
This could be read as a standalone as all the plot points are wrapped up by the end, though it's done in a way that's a bit too neat for my taste.
Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.17284773]

is that why all of you are always in a bad mood here? :(

[Anonymous No.17284795]

>>17284713
Clearly you haven't been reading self-published books and online serials.

[Anonymous No.17284803]

>all this talk about Bakker but no one ever mentions Neuropath

[Anonymous No.17284825]

>>17284803
>implying those few posters actually read

[Anonymous No.17284839]

>>17284795
I was going to make a snide remark belittling web-books but honestly it's just too fucking much content, how do you sift through the garbage? high rating usually doesn't mean shit in regards to writing quality.

[Anonymous No.17284849]

>>17284839
They aren't being read for writing quality. They are being read for the autistic reasons you've mentioned.

[Anonymous No.17284879]

>>17284713
> I wish that I could still feel the same way I dd as a boy

[Anonymous No.17284908]

>>17284879
Who are you quoting? I didn't read fantasy until I was in my late teens. When you look at /sffg/ charts and discussion, you can clearly see the shift from authors inspired by literary classics and day-time jobs to authors inspired mostly by other authors, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Can you at least answer the question, Anon?

[Anonymous No.17284929]

>>17284908
> a mature genre references itself rather than other genres
WOW!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17284940]

>>17284929
Oh, carry on then, have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.17284941]

>>17284713
Whatever the future is, you'll find a way to complain and troll about it.

[Anonymous No.17284968]

>>17284941
>NOOO, YOU CAN ONLY ENJOY THINGS, QUESTIONING IS COMPLAINING AND TROLLING

[Anonymous No.17284984]

first fantasy book I've enjoyed in like a decade. Anyone read Diane Duane? This is an adult focused work set in her YA series. It actually seems to care about crafting its prose instead of autistically listing off things like most fantasy I try to read now does.

[Anonymous No.17285003]

I've been going through Dune and its been enjoyable. I like Messiah so far even though it has mixed reception.

[Anonymous No.17285427]

>>17284803
Basically the same content as PoN transposed to a modern serial killer genre story. It even has le neuropuncture. It’s okay, I much prefer his Eärwa work.

[Anonymous No.17285485]

>>17284984
If it features a Cat in a prominent role, I am sold.
Please list other fantasy with magic Cats desu. OP's pic is another one.

[Anonymous No.17285596]

>>17283669
Someone shill me a 200-300 page book, I have to do a book project and haven’t even started it and it’s due in two weeks

[Anonymous No.17285610]

>>17285485
A Night in the Lonesome October
main character is a dog, but there's also a cat

[Anonymous No.17285611]

>>17283669
ok, I just finished Elantris last night. And it's just plain bad. Everyone should stop recommending this book. Stop it. No. Bad.

I also just learned that it's Sanderson's first published novel. So I have to cut him some slack. But it is incredibly amateurish.

Like I said in previous posts, the book over explains everything. There's no mystery, there's no intrigue, there's no wonder. Because Sanderson leaves no stone unturned. He shows you every trick he has as he's telling the story. Like a magician revealing his magic. Or better yet, like a kid who was told to show his work on a quiz. He reiterates every point from every possible angle, so as to avoid any possible misunderstanding by the reader.

And he doesn't explain things twice. He explains them twice, three times, four times throughout the book. He hits you over the head with foreshadowing. The character he HEAVILY implied was going to betray his master at the beginning of the book, betrayed his master at the end of the book. You knew it was coming without question. But it still took about 24 hours to get there.(24 hours in audio book time, not read time)

The entire plot revolved around the reawakening of magic. So you're just waiting 26 hours before the characters finally discover the secret to reawakening the magic. And then the book is over only an hour after that. Which was such a let down. Sanderson technically wrapped up all of the plotlines. Bringing everything to a logical conclusion. But the problem is that it's all logic and no finesse.

Sanderson is like that one guy who has a ton of notes for a book he's *going* to write. But hasn't actually written. Synopses and character profiles and maps and thousands of years worth of world lore. But then the book he actually attempts to write is trash. Elantris is basically just the outline of his story along with notes regarding motivations and logic, literally transposed into verse.

I cannot stress enough how boring this book is.

[Anonymous No.17285636]

>>17285611
I entirely agree with you. It continues to amaze me that Sanderson became as popular as he has with this sort of start. Do note that while this was his first published novel, it wasn't at all the first one he wrote.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/23/brandon-sanderson-after-a-dozen-rejected-novels-you-think-maybe-this-isnt-for-you

[Anonymous No.17285674]

>>17285596
You have to be at least 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.17285679]

>>17285674
I’m 20 and still in high school

[Anonymous No.17285715]

>>17285611
Thanks for convincing me I do not need to read Elantris. I'll just stick with Stormlight Archive until I get bored with it.

[Anonymous No.17285768]

>>17285715
Dear Anon,
While I am glad that other Anon convinced you, you need to take it to heart and never read anything by Sanderson ever again.
With Deepest Consideration, Anon.

[Anonymous No.17285781]

>>17283669
HOLY FUCK THANK YOU
I've been trying to remember this book for years

[Anonymous No.17285793]

>>17285596
The Hobbit

[Anonymous No.17285807]

>>17285781
This would also mean you don't come to /lit/ much.

[Anonymous No.17285822]

>>17285679
Based

[Anonymous No.17285871]

>finished malazan botf
>finished kharkanas
>finished malazan empire novels
Ascendancy, Bauchelain or wait for Witness?

[Anonymous No.17285968]

>>17285768
Nah, I think I'll keep reading stuff I enjoy regardless of what anonymous folks on /lit/ think. It's worked out pretty great so far. I only take that anon's word to heart cause he seems to have a similar experience to myself in trying to read Sanderson's earlier works. Only for me it was Warbreaker, and I couldn't even finish it.

[Anonymous No.17285995]

Bakkeeeeeeeer! How dare you kill my heretic waifu?!

[Anonymous No.17286022]

>>17283909
>reading order chart
Fucking kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.17286053]

>>17285636
It's not like Elantris was what made him popular. Mistborn is where I think he really made a name for himself, plus getting to write the ending to Wheel of Time also gave him tons of exposure. That's actually how I first heard of him.

[Anonymous No.17286173]

>>17286053
Yes, but most authors don't get more than a single chance.

[Anonymous No.17286174]

>>17285636
I didn't realize Sanderson was a missionary and a Mormon. I was just about to point out the similarities between him and the character Hrathen. Hrathen is also a missionary. And his whole thing is that he's a very logical guy. So when he preaches, he does everything by rote. His remembered speeches with remembered tones, seeking to gain as much attention as possible. Sway people in expected ways. For Hrathen, preaching is a numbers game.
But then Hrathen has a Lackey named Dilaf. Dilaf is a complete zealot. When he preaches, it's all passion. He rants and screams and hops around like a madman. But his energy is infectious, and ultimately he does more to kindle the passion in others than Hrathen could ever hope to.

And I have to wonder if Sanderson doesn't approach writing the was Hrathen does. He's so consistent and calculated, that it just becomes a numbers game to him. You put this amount of work in, and get this amount of converts back. Just keeping at it consistently and logically.

Dilaf of course has all these negative traits that is associated with his passion. While Hrathen's logic makes him appear awesome.

[Anonymous No.17286223]

I've read every book ever mentioned in this general. What should I read next?

[Anonymous No.17286234]

>>17283889
his cheek should be missing

[Anonymous No.17286263]

>>17283889
Any proof he actually reached the Absolute and didn’t just go to hell?

[Anonymous No.17286281]

>>17283879
Late as fuck but...
>when Eithan introduced himself as an Underlord in the Transcendent Ruins, the force of his presence was enough to paralyze the nearby Truegolds and drop them to the floor
Cradle is pretty clear that there are qualitative differences between people on the same stage. Eithan is anything but a regular Underlord, and Truegolds in the bumfuck nowhere are on the weaker end of the spectrum
>Lindon and Yerin fight against two powerful Underlords as Truegolds almost to a standstill. Yerin even fights both of them on her own with her Blood Shadow for a while and injures one of them.
They were underestimated and Yerin is a disciple of a Sage. That also counts for somethig.
>Lindon, in a fair fight, defeats the Truegold dragon in Ghostwater who was two stages above him, despite the story repeatedly hammering in the massive power differences between even one stage.
I wouldn't call that a fair fight. Blackflame is specifically estalbished as being able to punch above its weight at a cost that was specifically mitigated by Eithan's "grooming" of Lindon. Even so it was a close thing against an opponent that fundamentally underestimated Lindon.

[Anonymous No.17286433]

>>17283776
I enjoyed it when I was 16, doubt I would now

[Anonymous No.17286501]

>>17286281
>Cradle is pretty clear that there are qualitative differences between people on the same stage. Eithan is anything but a regular Underlord, and Truegolds in the bumfuck nowhere are on the weaker end of the spectrum
If that were the only instance of an Underlord completely outclassing Truegolds then I might be inclined to agree with you, but when Jai Long faced the Jai patriarch he immediately gave up despite having the Sandviper sect behind him which included another Truegold, Gokren. In fact, as I remember it, he couldn't even see the patriarch move when he subdued Gokren.
Lindon and Yerin might be more talented than Jai Long, but the difference between them isn't THAT great; Jai Long was a prodigy himself. The argument that the Underlords they faced were weaker than the patriarch doesn't go far either as one of them was a prince who'd received the best resources and training since childhood, and the other one was specifically mentioned to be a genius. Lindon and Yerin faced them twice, and were able to hold their own both times, which conflicts with the overpowering depiction Underlords received in earlier books.

[Anonymous No.17286528]

>>17285611
>Sanderson is like that one guy who has a ton of notes for a book he's *going* to write. But hasn't actually written. Synopses and character profiles and maps and thousands of years worth of world lore. But then the book he actually attempts to write is trash.
So he's /one of us/

[Anonγmous No.17286531]

>>17285679
do you fuck prime pussy?

[Anonymous No.17286536]

Thanks for the Call of the Arcade recommendation you guys. Loved it.

[Anonymous No.17286551]

>>17286536
shut the fuck up tardner

[Anonymous No.17286556]

>>17286223
Silmarillion

[Anonymous No.17286559]

>>17286536
How? It’s a children’s book.

[Anonymous No.17286583]

>>17286263
Not that I know of. We can only assume that he somehow found a loophole. A dunyain wouldn't do something as drastic without sufficient evidence, unless that was the entire point.
Also we have no idea how dank elf ash coke works with dunyain autism.
He probably just had a bad trip and is being chomped by ciphrang.

[Anonymous No.17286605]

>>17286551
Is this really a passage of that /lit/izens book?
It looks like bad OCR, but it's an eBook first and foremost.

[Anonymous No.17286795]

>>17286223
Find a different LARP.

[Anonymous No.17286828]

>>17286501
Dunno, I understood it as them accepting they got outmaneuvered. It was clear they got blindsided by Patriarch's intervention. Note that it is explicitly said in the - I think - next book that Golds can kill Underlords when Jai Patriarch tries to hire assassins to go after Eithan.
As for Lindon/Yerin going against the scion and his yandere servant? Lindon only held his ground due to liberal use of Remnant weaponry and Yerin because of her blood shadow. They were on the verge of advancing anyway and were clearly getting pressured, eking out a win by trickery in Lindon's case which snowballed into Yerin getting enough breathing space to advance.

[Anonymous No.17286873]

HOW
I HATE
THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.17286894]

I'm about to finish my current book and I want something good lined up to read next. I have a long list of books to choose from, but I barely know anything about these books beyond their synopsis. So, some recommendations or anti-recommendations would be helpful.
Which ones should I skip?
Which ones are okay, but nothing special?
What are the best books on this list?

[Anonymous No.17286899]

>>17286828
>Dunno, I understood it as them accepting they got outmaneuvered. It was clear they got blindsided by Patriarch's intervention.
They were very clearly outclassed in power and knew that immediately.
>Note that it is explicitly said in the - I think - next book that Golds can kill Underlords when Jai Patriarch tries to hire assassins to go after Eithan.
Assassination is not the same thing as a straight up fight. Remember that they also declined because they knew they couldn't get the drop on Eithan.
>As for Lindon/Yerin going against the scion and his yandere servant? Lindon only held his ground due to liberal use of Remnant weaponry and Yerin because of her blood shadow. They were on the verge of advancing anyway and were clearly getting pressured, eking out a win by trickery in Lindon's case which snowballed into Yerin getting enough breathing space to advance.
None of this matches with what we knew about Underlords before. Once again, Jai Long, despite all his hatred toward the Jai clan, gave up immediately, without even attempting to fight, because he knew he was outclassed in power even with the Sandvipers backing him and the patriarch being alone. This was further reinforced when the patriarch subdued Gokren so fast Jai Long couldn't even react. If the author had stayed consistent, then the same thing would have happened to Lindon and Yerin—they shouldn't have had the chance to fight back.

[Anonymous No.17286902]

Don’t wanna be picky, but why doesn’t the fat mandati contact his school while in captivity?

[Anonymous No.17286920]

>>17286902
Because they trapped him in the anti sorcery circle

[Anonymous No.17286953]

>>17286899
>Jai Long, despite all his hatred toward the Jai clan, gave up immediately, without even attempting to fight, because he knew he was outclassed in power even with the Sandvipers backing him and the patriarch being alone. This was further reinforced when the patriarch subdued Gokren so fast Jai Long couldn't even react.
That's what I meant, they got counterambushed, his most direct support in terms of power got disabled very quickly and who said that Patriarch came alone? Jai Long had every reason to suspect he was fucked when Patriarch just casually pulled a fast one on him. Not to mention there is a difference between an old snake with decades of experience the Jai leader is presented as and freshly minted ones that Lindon/Yerin fought.
I do get where you're coming from mind you, I just think you're overexaggerating the problem.

[Anonymous No.17286963]

Screw you, I like them

[Anonymous No.17286967]

>>17286920
I understand that, but doesn’t he go about doing it in his dreams? That’s what I’m perhaps missing.

[Anonymous No.17287005]

>>17286894
Just look what others think.
Basically anyone who answers you will be only pushing their personal agenda.

[Anonymous No.17287014]

>>17286894
Please read>>17286963
So I'm not the only one who has read them here

[Anonymous No.17287038]

>>17286953
>That's what I meant, they got counterambushed, his most direct support in terms of power got disabled very quickly and who said that Patriarch came alone? Jai Long had every reason to suspect he was fucked when Patriarch just casually pulled a fast one on him.
There's nothing in that passage to indicate that Jai Long was worried about anyone other than the patriarch. He gave up as soon as he saw him and was even trembling in his presence.
>Not to mention there is a difference between an old snake with decades of experience the Jai leader is presented as and freshly minted ones that Lindon/Yerin fought.
I addressed this earlier.
>The argument that the Underlords they faced were weaker than the patriarch doesn't go far either as one of them was a prince who'd received the best resources and training since childhood, and the other one was specifically mentioned to be a genius.
>I just think you're overexaggerating the problem
It's a minor annoyance to me, but it still bothers me when I find I'm being more attentive to details than the author is.

[Anonymous No.17287050]

>>17286894
House of Blades

[Anonymous No.17287080]

I'm reading pic related because I'm a retard. I'd read up to God Emperor but news of the movie made me want to continue at least until Chapterhouse.

How can super sex be this important and life-changing? You'd think the Bene Gesserit or the Guild would've found something as potent as it for control or money. I'm 4/5 of the way and this hasn't been addressed. 1,500 years of relative freedom and you can't invent a future VR Coom machine?

Is it worth to finish this as a stepping stone to Chapterhouse the way Children is to God-Emperor?

[Anonymous No.17287090]

>>17287038
Fair enough. Shit made sense to me for the most part, but I'm fairly tolerant of minor quibbles in narrative structure like this.

[Anonymous No.17287098]

>>17286967
They still need to use Cants of Calling or something to contact each other. One essentially invades other's dreams. I don't think there's anything stopping a Mandate sorcerer from contacting someone from another school, but the setting/dream would be different since they don't actually share their dreams normally like Mandate does.

[Anonymous No.17287111]

>>17287080
>I'm reading pic related because I'm a retard
correct, stop. the book is literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.17287129]

>>17287111
but 4chin told me only Brian's stuff was poopoo.

[Anonymous No.17287139]

>>17286963
>>17287014
I've read the first omnibus. In 2010 it came off as bog-standard fantasy fare. Not as fleshed out as aSoIaF, not as edgy and intriguing as PoN, not as autistic as Malazan. I think it was best boy Abeleyn's coma that made me drop it.
I still have two copies of the second omnibus lying around, both unread.

[Anonymous No.17287148]

>>17287098
Thanks bro. The second book is fucking amazing. I didn’t even reach the end but I’m starting to believe that our boy created a skin spy somehow.

[Anonymous No.17287168]

>>17287090
That's fine. And I thank you for not dragging this out with dishonest arguments.

[Anonymous No.17287169]

>>17287139
the naval influence makes it stand out, it's definitely an above-average series

[Anonymous No.17287193]

>>17287139
See, I liked it more than ASOIAF. Monarchies of God is like if GRRM was a consistently good writer and teamed up with Patrick O'Brien to create a Aubrey-Maturin/ASOIAF hybrid.

[Anonymous No.17287231]

>>17287168
It's kinda sad you feel you have to thank people for being civil, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.17287262]

>>17287231
It's just one of those things that come with the territory. Too many people make their ego a factor and will bend over backward to avoid "losing" an argument.

[Anonymous No.17287279]

what's a novel similar to buffy or x files?

[Anonymous No.17287336]

>>17287139
>asoiaf
>fleshed out
i see what you did there

[Anonymous No.17287365]

>>17287129
books 5 and 6 are pretty bad, nothing remotely compares to god-emperor. brian's stuff is worse than fanfiction but heretics/chapterhouse are also not worth reading, the series effectively ends with god-emperor, which is fine.

[Anonymous No.17287369]

Heretics is literally the best book of the series. Why wouldn't one read it?

[Anonymous No.17287384]

Listen to this fookin’ shite while reading the last chapter of the Unholy Consult, I dare ya...

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_ze7t0OQ4&feature=share

[Anonymous No.17287433]

>>17286583
I want to believe he did find the Absolute and is practically the only character besides Kellhus who escaped the afterlife (Kellhus is 100% not being fucked by demons). For the dunyain only the mission matters, and if the Disfigured literally saw the end of the line there, the "way out" so to speak, he would have seized. I mean the other dunyain fucking took control of the Consult in their mission. They saw the Inchoroi's mission as being the means to their absolute end, which isn't isn't proven wrong so far and they seem to believe it as well. But as it stands, each dunyain "party" has a different view on what the end of the lien is. Bottom line, nobody wants to get fucked by demons.

[Anonymous No.17287449]

>>17287384
>not the official soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDKL_nSf1A

[Anonymous No.17287454]

I can't help but feel sad for the nonmen. They can't even commit suicide, that shit got evolved out of their psyche.

[Anonymous No.17287477]

>>17287454
I think they are one of my favorite aspects of Bakker’s work. So beautiful, tragic, and depraved all at once.
I-I hope Oinaral Lastborn found Oblivion, bros... *sniff*

[Anonymous No.17287501]

>>17287449

The world is full of kings and queens
Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams
It's heaven and hell, oh well
And they'll tell you black is really white
The moon is just the sun at night
And when you walk in golden halls
You get to keep the gold that falls
It's heaven and hell, oh no
Fool, fool
You've got to bleed for the dancer

[Anonymous No.17287510]

>>17287477
Well they are "depraved" because if you live forever, LITERALLY FOREVER but all the women are gone and there's all sorts of fucking shit going on in the world, you can't even commit suicide to try to escape and even if you could, you know that in the afterlife you're gonna get eaten by actual demons for all eternity.
Well you're bound to get insane. It's even a wonder that not ALL nonmen are literally walking nukes.

[Anonymous No.17287629]

I need a good fantasy anthology. The older and broader the better.

[Anonymous No.17287655]

>>17284968
Well, what do you want? Online and self-published crap is exactly what you're asking for, and it has only grown during that time - so much so that you disregard it because you can't be arsed sifting through it. The rest, yes, is commercialized.

[Anonymous No.17287657]

>>17287629
The Big Book of Classic Fantasy
Stories After The King

[Anonymous No.17287684]

>>17286551
that is painful

[Anonymous No.17287687]

>>17284442
genuinely made me laugh, thanks friend

[Anonymous No.17287723]

>>17285968
>Only for me it was Warbreaker, and I couldn't even finish it.
Oh fuck. That's next on my reading list.

[Anonymous No.17287735]

>>17286605
It's actually worse than that. He had unclosed quotation marks on the first page of one of his shitty books.
I would not give this man 99 cents even if I had Elon Musk tier of riches.

[Anonymous No.17287774]

>>17283813
One final book was all they required.
“Let!” “Them!”“Read!”
The Bakker-shill stared across the threshing expanse of madmen. His every glance revealed some depraved vignette: Anons shaking with anticipation, their eyes rolled to white; Anons hacking out their own poorly-written fanfiction; Anons memeing like mad dogs, smearing shitposts upon themselves and others …
“We! We are the Readers!”
And he could feel It, the Spider that was the God …
“We! We are the Zaudunyani!”
Seizing his voice with tempest lungs, blowing truth as a howling roar.
“The Wicked-that-are-Holy!”
It seemed so obvious … so true …
“And we shall pick of the lowest bough!”
As if his heart had become an unconquerable fist.
“And we shall write—write!—upon the premise that He—He!—hath given!”
Hands outstretched over the ravenous multitudes …
“We shall finish the story that Bakker hath prepared for us!” he screamed.
And so led them all into irrevocable damnation.

[Anonymous No.17287853]

>>17286536
I just read it, too. I had no idea this 4chan book would actually be good.

[Anonymous No.17287898]

>>17287723
That's fine, the average group rating is high even if a vocal minority is unhappy with it.

[Anonymous No.17287914]

>>17283813
Bakker sucks, he’s like George RR martin. I read the first book, I got so bored and disgusted reading about aging whores and the fucking indenture

SIGN INDENTURE
SIGN IT

AAAAAAGGGHHHHH
AAAAAGHHH
SNEEEEED
FUCK FUCK FUCK CHUCK CHUCK
SNEEEEEEEEED AAAAAAAAAAAGGGH
SIGN THE INDENTUREEEE

I give it a solid 6/10

[Anonymous No.17287923]

>>17287914
absolutely filtered in every possible. enjoy having your insides pulled through your outsides by ciphrang forever.

[Anonymous No.17287951]

>>17287923
>ciphrang
The chapter I hated the most was when the dude was meditating in the room, removing one word at a time. I got so bored holy shit SNEEEEEEEED but it reminded me of what this guy told me about playing vexations by Satie for 36 hours straight (no food or bathroom breaks), how he had a breakthrough moment, and experienced satori, so pretty accurate

[Anonymous No.17287961]

>>17287923
I quoted ciphrang by accident, I was looking it up. When does the series get better?

[Anonymous No.17287978]

>>17287961
it starts getting really golden in book 2 imo.

[Anonymous No.17288004]

>it's another shallan chapter

[Anonymous No.17288006]

>>17287914
>SNEEEEED
>FUCK FUCK FUCK CHUCK CHUCK
Do not pollute this already shitty general with your mental retardation. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.17288023]

Just finished Tigana. It is a very good fantasy book, by which I mean, it's a could-be great novel held back by its determined appeal to the lowest common denominator. It will develop a wonderful scene with a fully fleshed picture of a character, and then follow it up with a hamhanded explanation of the deeper relevance of the imagery, or a retarded resurrection of a character so they can be stuffed into a trite declaration of love on the eve of war. It is frustrating to me how many books in the genre interrupt themselves to make sure the stupid readers are still following along.

I don't want to over exert this point, though, the book is still very good in spite of it. Its portraiture of characters is extremely good. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed Kay's technique of retelling scenes from another character's perspective, not to reveal any hidden information, just so you know how they feel about it and what it reminds them of.

I strongly appreciated the the contrasting extremes that the two tyrants offered, one a man of no true emotion, just cold ambition and cunning, and the other a man driven by his strongest feelings to acts of incredible violence and virtue, but too enthralled by his own pain to escape the cycle of hate. And parallel to this, Alisand's growth into a ruler who will hopefully balance these impulses.

Overall, I'd say 8/10, good recommendation if you're looking for something full of war and intrigue to sink into for a comfy ride.

PS, damn what a whore Dianora is.

[Anonymous No.17288181]

>>17288006
Im in a sneed mood sorry dude you’re gonna have to deal with it

[Anonymous No.17288186]

>>17283717
Keys to the Kingdom was great, you shut up.

[Anonymous No.17288243]

I've used the name Lirael for pretty much every video game character I've played for the last fifteen years. Love the sound of it, so liquid

[Anonymous No.17288299]

>>17287914
Properly filtered. You are damnd and not deserving to bask in the holy, tumescent glow of the Bakk.

[Anonymous No.17288341]

>>17288023
Now you just need an identifier so anyone can look at all of your reviews at once.

[Anonymous No.17288365]

Post some Sword and Sorcery recommendations please. I've read Conan, Fafhrd, Kane, Kull and Dying Earth.

[Anonymous No.17288399]

>>17288341
I've only posted two, I'm just a copycat

[Anonymous No.17288496]

>>17288365
Smith's Zothique and Hyperborea.

[Anonymous No.17288502]

>>17283669
Who here /Barsoom/?John Carter is such a fun and cool character. I wish /sffg/ would talk about him more

[Anonymous No.17288529]

>>17288399
Two that becomes a hundred soon enough.

[Anonymous No.17288557]

>>17288529
I will continue to post them as I finish books, if only to inject something that isn't the meme of the month into threads. Fuck tripfagging, though

[Anonymous No.17288566]

>And to Mary creativity was the open sesame to life; working for the CIA, programming propaganda simulacra who gabbled a message for uneducated Africans and Latin Americans and Asians, was not creative;

>Let off on the roof field Mary descended by in-ramp to floor ninety, came to the glass door, hesitated, then allowed it to open and entered the outer office in which Mr. Feld’s receptionist—very pretty, with much make-up and a rather tight spider-silk sweater—sat. Mary felt annoyed at the girl; just because bras had become passé, did a girl with so pronounced a bosom have to cater to fashion? In this case practicality dictated a bra, and Mary stood at the desk feeling herself flushing with disapproval. And artificial nipple-dilation; it was just too much.
>“Yes?” the receptionist said, glancing up through an ornate, stylish monocle. As she met Mary’s coldness her nipples deburgeoned slightly, as if scared into submission, frightened away.

[Anonymous No.17288680]

>>17288557
You don't have to use a tripcode. You can just use a word or phrase in the text itself.

[Anonymous No.17288715]

>just now realizing we have two reviewanons

[Anonymous No.17288741]

So I just finished the Warrior Prophet.

That ending was fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.17288774]

>>17288741
Whore after all

[Anonymous No.17288816]

If I like The Black Company but not Glen Cook what should I read next?

[Anonymous No.17288819]

>>17288715
There have been a few others who have done a few.

[Anonymous No.17288827]

>>17288715
There are a lot of reviewers, they just aren't posting them here.

[Anonymous No.17288841]

>>17288816
Abercrombie's First Law series

[Anonymous No.17288852]

>>17288827
Why do I care about what people outside of /sffg/ do, newfag?

[Anonymous No.17288877]

>>17288852
I meant in the GR group in the OP, which is sourced from people here.

[Anonymous No.17288879]

>>17288680
that's even worse

[Anonymous No.17288889]

>>17288879
To each their own then.

[Anonymous No.17288934]

Has anybody here read James Silke's Death Dealer?

[Anonymous No.17288992]

>>17288877
Still gay

[Anonymous No.17289003]

>>17288992
It's all very happy indeed.

[Anonymous No.17289010]

>>17286894
shadow of the torturer is fire

[Anonymous No.17289013]

About halfway through the bonehunters.

I fucking love karsa orlong

[Anonymous No.17289076]

>>17289013
He's easily my favorite "enlightened barbarian" character.

[Anonymous No.17289153]

>>17288741
disgustingly awesome

[Anonγmous No.17289219]

>>17287687
I only ever read the first book so I'm not sure what's so funny, was it the sword girl or the alien? or his sister?

[Anonymous No.17289233]

>>17288816
Folllow up question: are the books of the south really that bad?

[Anonymous No.17289280]

>>17289233
I thought they were fine. If you ask me (which you didn't, I'm just now butting in), there's a much larger difference between book one, which is fucking brilliant, and the rest that take place in the north than there was north-south. It does have my clear least favourite book in the series though.

[Anonymous No.17289304]

>>17289280
>difference between book one and the rest
I definitely noticed that, but by then I was interested in the characters enough that the change in style wasn't a dealbreaker.

[Anonymous No.17289336]

>>17283698

simple as

[Anonymous No.17289350]

>>17283669

wonder why sabriel/lirael hasnt been made into a netflix series, it's literally everything they'd want - could even make sabriel a hapa some asian/white mix and people would lose their fucking minds over how "progressive" it would be

[Anonγmous No.17289357]

I have a specific request: I want to read a book that you're sure would have been YA if not for the author autistically including a hard core scene of the characters fucking

[Anonymous No.17289371]

>>17289076
>>17289013
he's a fucking RAPIST!

[Anonymous No.17289391]

>>17289336
>>17283669
Nix’s Abhorsen setting features the blending of an ancient-medieval fantasy realm with a late-Victorian, early-modern society. Nix pulls it off really well, better than many others who have tried.

[Anonymous No.17289424]

Mogget best cat

[Anonymous No.17289444]

>>17288741
Disgustingly BASED, you must mean.

[Anonymous No.17289459]

>>17289424
>tfw no sarcastic but sweet cat who is one of the Nine Powers of Charter Magic

[Anonymous No.17289482]

>>17289424
> how my cat acts when he thinks there’s an intruder

[Anonymous No.17289510]

>>17288365
Gor is a Conan ripoff

[Anonymous No.17289516]

>>17289510
Based Gorposter

[Anonymous No.17289530]

>>17287723
Warbreaker is one of Sanderson's worst. I'd recommend picking something else.

[Anonymous No.17289541]

>>17283669
I should read this

[Anonymous No.17289570]

https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/interviews/wolfe46interview.htm

One of the things that lead to Book of the New Sun was Wolfe wanting to make a character that could be cosplayed easily at conventions. What a fucking world we live in. Great interview, by the way. Read it if you're interested in Wolfe's creative process or his background and what of his life went into his books in general.

[Anonymous No.17289611]

>>17289570
> Why does he wear the mask?

[Anonymous No.17289695]

>>17289357
Basically you're just asking for tone dissonance.

[Anonγmous No.17289827]

>>17289695
Yes but specifically with fucking

[Anonymous No.17289889]

>>17289827
Sounds like asking for fetishes as usual.

[Anonγmous No.17289989]

>>17289889
It's not

[Anonymous No.17290049]

>>17285611
I'll give you it's boring and insistent upon itself for the first 2/3's of the book, but that final hill at the climac on his little narrative rollercoaster, his true hallmark, is just such pure Sanderson, it almost makes the rest of the book worth reading. Which it completely makes up for if you're a worldbuilding simp because Elantris is pretty revelatory in the scheme of the greater cosmere.
Least favorite Sandershit. I mostly chalk it up to his fledgling skill in being his first book. He finds his stride by Final Empire which is, what, the third book he ever got published?

[Anonymous No.17290062]

>>17285781
How do you forget the nine bright shiners who wove the charter?

[Anonymous No.17290076]

>>17287723
Warbreaker is Elantris if it were compelling and at least has stuff happening. You're still gonna get copious descriptions of powers doing things, but I think the plot itself is more interesting than Elantris.

[Anonymous No.17290107]

>>17288186
Compared to the rest of Nix's stuff? It was just OK.

[Anonymous No.17290113]

>>17288502
I read the first 3 or so and remember loving them. Just the sheer number of books kinda put me off them after that, I didn't want to witness another marked decline like you tend to get with series that long.

[Anonymous No.17290151]

Halfway through Dune, wish someone had told me it was a fantasy book and not really sci-fi at all outside of it's setting.

[Anonymous No.17290248]

>>17289280
Probably because the first book works perfectly fine as a standalone novel with an open ending. Which is exactly how Cooke intended and then made more after people liked it.

[Anonymous No.17290393]

>>17290049
No. The latter portions were not worth the buildup. The man explained every little detail up to the very last sentence in the book. Really, go to the epilogue, and re-read the last few paragraphs. It's just Sanderson blathering on, trying to reinforce the logic of Hrathen's character arch.

I rolled my eyes when Karata got her head lopped off. My only thought being "Welp... there's the pay off to the foreshadowing from 20 hours ago."
I knew everything was coming before it happened. But not because I actually figured it myself. But because he led me to every solution by my hand. Pointing like "and here's the part that connects to the thing I set up earlier. You remember that, right? Of course you do. Let's move on. Now, here's the part..." And it goes on like that.

[Anonymous No.17290580]

>>17284839

Just look up "best fantasy self-published authors" and start digging from that.

[Anonymous No.17290679]

Recommend me a good Conan-like barbarian hero, that is not Conan.

[Anonymous No.17290681]

>>17284773
It's hard being a galaxy brain book-enjoyer

[Anonymous No.17290691]

>>17290681
Are we going to get flooded with redditors and other plebs when the Amazon miniseries comes out?

[Anonymous No.17290705]

>>17290691
Probably

[Anonymous No.17290766]

>>17290679
Kull

[Anonymous No.17290774]

>>17290679
Cnaiür urs Skiotha

[Anonymous No.17290834]

>>17290679
karsa orlong

[Anonymous No.17290838]

Rec me some scifi with a singular character perspective. Recently read examples I can recall are 15 Hours and Voyage to Arcturus

[Anonymous No.17290919]

>>17290766
>>17290774
>>17290834

Very well my good sirs/madams. Thank you for your time.

[Anonymous No.17291019]

>>17290838
Filtered

[Anonymous No.17291025]

>>17287914
Think you didnt read the while book
Also filtered

[Anonymous No.17291092]

>>17288774
Some passages of the book where fucking subliminal. Only thing that annoyed me was Proyas announcing two deaths at the end of two different chapters. Which we know are false. Maybe I missed something. Also, when our boy awakes from the ring, he touches a “haloed” hand to his chest. Is he super sayan now or should I just read the third book for hints and clues of what happened?

>>17289153
>>17289444

Too much description. Bakker clearly has a problem. I found the defective Dunyain part more macabre.

I also didn’t understand why the crow and the monster are different if they are the same species?

[Anonymous No.17291105]

>>17291092
>Is he super sayan now or should I just read the third book for hints and clues of what happened?

Other people have seen his haloes before, after the circumfix he sees them himself.

>I also didn’t understand why the crow and the monster are different if they are the same species?

the monster is the real creature, the crow is just a body that it possesses and controls via magic from far away

[Anonymous No.17291143]

>>17283669
>female protagonist

[Anonymous No.17291148]

>>17291143
>written by a man

[Anonymous No.17291159]

>>17291148
Women can unironically write better male protagd than men can write female protags. See Ged in Earthsea.

[Anonymous No.17291164]

>>17291159
False
>>17291148
Just trying to bait anons to defending the book to see if it's any good

[Anonymous No.17291190]

>>17291164
it's ya but good

[Anonymous No.17291225]

>>17291092
Desu this reminds me of my first time reading Bakker. Thoughts of wtf is this shit, these passages are mindblowingly beautiful, what is he trying to describe, so much confusing dialogue and factions being thrown in your face. That’s why I like the second series more. It grows on you, you get lulled into his biblical-Silmarillion omniscient passages. It’s my favorite aspect of Bakker besides the characters, the philosophy, and the setting. Haloed hands are actually never fully explained. Like another anon said it seems to be a function of the faith that others have in him: in a world where the Objective bleeds into the Subjective, the halos represent the Subjective determining the Objective. Faith embodied.

[Anonymous No.17291254]

>>17291225
Other only flaw that I could point out would be the sheer amount of names that he throws around on the second book. It’s really hard to retain most of them.

[Anonymous No.17291266]

>>17291254
Map and encyclopedic glossary are really helpful keeping track of all the names. I recently finished my second readthrough and it’s definitely a better and easier read the second time.

Keep it up if you enjoyed, there are a lot more insane, macabre, heartbreaking and unbelievable events ahead.

[Anonymous No.17291275]

>>17291266
I have the colourful map printed out. Some anon recommended it here. I don’t think I would have enjoyed the series without it. Glossary, not so much since I have an e-reader and it’s clunky to go back and forward on it. In any case, I as able to filter the filler characters by name. Most of them died anyway.

[Anonymous No.17291378]

So, is there no way to contact Bakker or what? I find it hard to believe that none of you know what’s going on.

[Anonymous No.17291444]

>>17291378
>Does it trouble you, Anon?

[Anonymous No.17291609]

>>17291444
d-does what trouble me?

[Anonymous No.17291778]

>>17288023
Yeah I absolutely love GGK, read all of his books, the one thing that annoys me is that he can't just let an important moment happen, he has to then tell you that it's important.

[Anonymous No.17291786]

>>17289570
Filters manlets by only being a convincing cosplay if you have bulging pecs

[Anonymous No.17291823]

Good but not great was precisely the level of quality I expected from this. What I wasn't expecting was the book to treat the premise with gravity and humanity, it would have been very easy to step into Space Balls or murder-hobo territory, but it has some genuine heart. It's the sort of conceptual approach I associate with Pratchett

[Anonymous No.17291862]

>I can’t read without ambiance/voiceless orchestral music.

Is this normal?

[Anonymous No.17291878]

>tfw you will never witness ancient nonmen heroes and quya mages battling against Min-Uroikas at its most powerful
>tfw the first apocalypse was pretty mild compared to the Cûno-Inchoroi wars
>tfw the second apocalypse is even more so
>tfw damned anyway

[Anonymous No.17292138]

Im going to order some books now. I got 15 dollars left and right now I picked

1984
Call of the wild
Animal farm

what else should I get? I like jack london and fedor dostoevsky
Im ordering it from book depository so link if you can

[Anonymous No.17292191]

>>17291862
no

[Anonymous No.17292195]

>>17292138
cs lewis space trilogy, bakker, the institute is a fun read

[Anonymous No.17292283]

>>17291862
It's normal. You're used to many distractions so reading in silence seems strange.

[Anonymous No.17292520]

>>17288502
>>17290113
I've also stopped after the third, just needed a break from it. will continue once I need a break from more 'high brow' books again.

[Anonymous No.17292809]

>>17287914
Vock detected.

[Anonymous No.17292838]

>>17291092
Get used to that sense of "Wait what the fuck did I just read" because it's going to get a lot more intense in the second series.

Also, get used to Proyas making incorrect statements with adamantine certainty, because holy shit is that the plot of the second series.

[Anonymous No.17293305]

Proyas and Saubon in damnation

[Anonymous No.17293312]

>>17292838
Proyas never lies. And in fact, his speeches are not even wrong, it's just that he has the rug pulled out from under him by Killhaus Analsybarite.

One thing I like is that Proyas is the only Great Name in the Ordeal who is not specifically mentioned as falling into Hell.

[Anonymous No.17293319]

>>17293312
would be epic if hellhus saved him

[Anonymous No.17293344]

>>17293305
God I fucking feel for Saubon. He was smart enough to know that Kellhus was full of shit, but got rused by the accident of prophecy.

[Anonymous No.17293417]

>>17291862
I can't read unless I'm in total silence, because I find any sort of music more entertaining than reading and end up just listening instead.

I work in IT, I used to take my breaks in the server room, which is a giant refrigerator, because it was the only place quiet enough for me to handle. The ambient noise of the fan doesn't really count because it isn't saying anything.

[Anonymous No.17293441]

>>17293319
The absolute most based and surprising outcome would be if Kellhus, rather than being a cynical asshole, had simply thought the problem so far through that rather than simply save humanity, he goes to hell to save the damned by exploiting a glitch on the matrix to fuck over the Hundred.

It would complete the mindfuck of him being literal Jesus Christ working in mysterious ways. Even the Nonmen get saved--only the Incheroi get fucked.

Also, Bakker mentioned in a Reddit thing that "Good" Ciphrang exist. Essentially angels.

[Anonymous No.17293455]

Give me some heavy metal shit.
>what does "heavy metal" mean?
Whatever it means to you.

[Anonymous No.17293459]

>>17293455
bakker, karl edward wagner kane, malazan (Caladan brood band), lord of the rings (summoning, others)

[Anonymous No.17293495]

>>17293455
https://www.amazon.com/Birth-Heavy-Metal-Complete-Boxed-ebook/dp/B089P37QK9

[Anonymous No.17293498]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_vsBMdGdeE&ab_channel=YOB-Topic

official last chapters of TUC song with the return of the nogod

[Anonymous No.17293581]

>>17283669
Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.17293673]

>>17293441
>>17293319
>>17293312
>Fool, fool! You’ve got to bleed for the dancer.
So much hopium. Truly, hope dies last.
>W-what does it mean?
>That not everyone can be saved.
Hope... The animal battling within. Faith... never so fanatic as the darkness that comes before.
This is the secret we all take to the grave... and to hell.

[Anonymous No.17293716]

Opinions on this? I just finished it today. Not bad for a first novel and the Asian aesthetic was pretty interesting. The parallels between Chinese history and events in the story were sometimes a bit too obvious or heavy-handed, but as a point of inspiration it still worked well enough. I think the main character is a bit inconsistent and ultimately probably forgettable.

[Anonymous No.17293745]

>>17293312
Proyas burns. Just another pawn in the thousandfold thought. Seriously can’t understand how anyone can read 4000 pages of Killhouse’s fuckery and Bakker’s cosmic cruelty and still believe anyone is going to get muh happy ending. After slogging through depravity after tragic, horrifying depravity, you should realize by now that for Bakker, happy endings do not exist..... unless you’re a Sranc.

[Anonymous No.17293748]

>>17286551
It's like it was typed in by the meme-joke version of William Shatner.

[Anonγmous No.17293751]

>>17293716
I read this over the course of two days, was interesting and well-paced but I don't plan on continuing the trilogy
Also had no idea that the author was female until I was halfway through.

[Anonymous No.17293753]

>Weeper! Faggot weeper!

[Anonymous No.17293762]

>>17293751
I won't continue either, neither the main story or the characters are interesting enough. Still, it wasn't a bad read. The writing style is exceedingly female. I can't really explain it but it's just somehow so obvious that this is fantasy written by a woman. I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing (I read the book after all), but it's very apparent.

[Anonymous No.17293797]

Have you ever read a book that made you genuinely angry? A book where you can see the author's puppet strings lifelessly pull characters around to portray forced scenarios, unearned gotcha moments and unfunny, anime-tier dialogue?

A book where unironic "rule of cool" is more important than a plot that is narratively consistent or characters that act in-character.?

I live in a small town so the "readers and tabletop roleplayers" community is like 10 guys, they were raving about pic related. Never again.

[Anonγmous No.17293812]

>>17293797
This has been unironically recc'd in this general within the last week

[Anonymous No.17293816]

>>17293797
Dude, the front page has the words "Lesbian necromancers" and you still even tried to read it? Come on nigga

[Anonymous No.17293833]

>>17293816
I didn't want to judge a book by its cover.

The hilarious thing was me being ignorant enough that I didn't know if "Tamsyn" was a male or female name. After 40-ish pages of jokes falling flat and a literal "that's what she said" I muttered "who wrote this, a woman?" and lo and behold, kek.

It wasn't terribly long so I wanted to finish it if in case it got better.
It didn't.

>>17293812
Why? how was that justified? It's truly fanfiction tier.

[Anonγmous No.17293861]

>>17293833
>Why? how was that justified? It's truly fanfiction tier.
fuck if I know, I just recognized the book title

[Anonymous No.17293997]

German bros. Help a fellow Mensch, please!

Was soll ich auf Deutsch lesen? Mein Level ist fast C1, aber nicht ganz. Nichts zu archaisch oder zu literarisch, wenn möglich.

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>>17293997
maybe re-read one of your favourite books in german?

[Anonymous No.17294157]

>>17293997
haven't read sci-fi/fantasy in german since I was a teen.
I remember Hohlbein and Cornelia Funke, but I really can't judge if that stuff was decent or not. it's YA, after all.

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>>17293816
Judging by the picture they're not even the hot kind of lesbian necromancer

[Anonymous No.17294221]

>>17293797
>>17293833
What's it like to be so humorless and angry all the time? Must get tiring.

[Anonymous No.17294231]

>>17293797
The second is much, much worse.
It's so bad that you reevaluate the first one.

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>>17294221
Surely you're not defending such a piece of shit book

[Anonymous No.17294252]

>>17294240
I had fun reading it. It's not for everybody, sure, but raging against it so hard makes it sound like it offended you on a personal level somehow. If I dislike a book that much I don't finish it, I probably don't even get 50 pages into it, yet you sat down and read something you clearly hated. Why? Did you honestly have nothing better to do?

[Anonymous No.17294294]

Which period of history/region of the world do you most want to see a book written about?

[Anonymous No.17294313]

>>17294294

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>>17293797
I've been considering picking it up since it kept getting positive energy in these threads, but you have described exactly the kind of book I hate

[Anonymous No.17294327]

>>17293716
Isn't this book all about the horrors of war? What is the fucking point. We live in a world where we can see cartel torture and executions, we know dammed well war is terrible. There isn't a day that the media does not show us the suffering of some brown person inflicted by another person and demands we take in more people who despise us, and create the conditions where brutality thrives, despite our best efforts. What new and interesting ideas are explored in the book. Does it have any interesting perspectives of the subjects it treats?

It seems to be written by a liberal arts major that genuinely believes people don't understand that war is bad, and that the peasants suffer.

[Anonymous No.17294337]

>>17294327
what the fuck is this post rofl

[Anonymous No.17294366]

>>17294252
I wanted to engage with people in my hometown, lockdown can really get you stir crazy.

I do feel offended, it's the same shit you see in Hollywood. A hero's journey where not only is the hero insolent and brash and stupid, she never learns their lesson, and the story treats it as if they were right all along and those pesky adults and moderates were just stopping the progress.

She goes from hating to loving Harrowhark in 3 pages after a lifetime of suffering, and the author expects me to not notice because we gotta push the badly setup, stupidly convoluted disabled girl twist.

You look at reviews and it seems everyone's eating it up, and don't forget YASSS LESBIANS AUTOMATIC WIN even though it adds absolutely nothing of worth to the story, except maybe cement the main character's transformation into a the worst parts of a male hero but with a vagina.

And this is nothing to mention of the atrocious worldbuilding and the multiple failures of verisimilitude that could be easily fixed when you live in a world of future technology AND magic. But no, Gideon and other female cavaliers can beat male cavaliers while being half their weight and shorter in arm-length, and the two male ones being defeated were either laughably bad at it (Magnus) or immediately fell into a temper tantrum (8th house guy, I think), so much for diversity or whatever.

So yes, I am offended, that the author thinks people are this retarded, and that people actually are and are eating this shit up.

[Anonymous No.17294403]

>>17290766
I think I've heard the name somewhere but where is this from?
>>17290774
Based
>>17290834
Based

[Anonymous No.17294479]

>>17293305
This webm is depressing
these cats are malnourished and clearly desperate to get out

[Anonymous No.17294774]

>>17293716
I got the feeling this feeling a lot of people are praising it simply because it's Asian-themed.

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>>17290679
Interestingly enough, Kane. If it was more horror and protagonist was definitely on the more evil side.

[Anonymous No.17295014]

>>17285485
Tailchaser's Song and Warriors

[Anonymous No.17295027]

>>17284705
Fun fact: that's Peter Watts's wife Caitlin Sweet.

[Anonymous No.17295071]

>>17294479
Good. Fuck cats.

[Anonymous No.17295127]

I feel like shit
give me some fun books with great world building so I can cope with escapism

[Anonymous No.17295164]

>>17295127
Why do you feel like shit, anon
Also, read China Mieville. Perdido Street Station is excellent, and there are enough Bas-Lag books to keep you busy for a bit.

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>>17295127
>fun books with great world building
The Death Gate books

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_Gate_Cycle

[Anonymous No.17295255]

>>17295127
try the series in op’s pic

[Anonymous No.17295279]

>>17295127
elder empire: sea :)
sabriel(/lirael/abhorsen)
animorphs
dragonlance (stick to mainline trilogies)
marlfox

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>>17295240
are these the ones where they're written almost as if someone is reading you a story and sometimes there's lines with literal exclamation points? cuz man, i hated those.

[Anonymous No.17295337]

>>17283669
Are any of Michael Crichton's books actually good or is it all just boomer pablum?

[Anonymous No.17295360]

>>17295337
They are more 'airport-fiction', but yes, they are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.17295447]

>>17293797
Still makes me fucking seethe when I think about all that wasted time.

[Anonymous No.17295471]

>>17293997
As the other anon said Hohlbein is pretty straiforward and technically solid. He writes an absolute shit-ton of novels so just pick any.
Also Markus Heitz wrote "Die Zwerge" which is pretty popular and I enjoyed the first two.

[Anonymous No.17295482]

>>17291878
>second apocalypse
>milder
The first apocalypse happened when the sranc had been almost completely driven by the norsirai to the mountains. Now basically the entire northern half of eärwa is infested by those horny boys.

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>>17295164
>so, read China Mieville. Perdido Street Station is excellent,
Fucking kill yourself you tasteless faggot.

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>>17294366
>that the author thinks people are this retarded
she probably doesn't. we just live in a time where meritless schlock gets pushed because of the author's gender or skin color

[Anonymous No.17295548]

make the new thread FAGGOTS

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>>17295548
no :3

[Anonymous No.17295558]

Do you know of any decent novels that start as fantasy but slowly turn into scifi or secretely are scifi?

[Anonymous No.17295566]

>>17295548
i’m tired of baking, someone make the new thread with a cool OP pic please

[Anonymous No.17295584]

It’s clear the Inchoroi are ayyy’s. Are the Nonmen aliens as well?

[Anonymous No.17295586]

>>17294366
>A hero's journey where not only is the hero insolent and brash and stupid, she never learns their lesson, and the story treats it as if they were right all along and those pesky adults and moderates were just stopping the progress.
>And this is nothing to mention of the atrocious worldbuilding and the multiple failures of verisimilitude that could be easily fixed when you live in a world of future technology AND magic.
Gaze well into this atrocity, and remember for ever the horror spawning, putrid well that is the female mind.

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>>17295014
Warriors is good, but a bit too juvenile for me. I wish there was more good xenofiction like Raptor Red.

[Anonymous No.17295604]

>>17295586
Bakker writes literally all his women characters women as either whores, r*pe victims, or both. How is that any more realistic or justifiable?

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>>17295604
Basedness justifies itself, it needs no prior consideration.

[Anonymous No.17295627]

>>17295614
> Basedness justifies itself, it needs no prior consideration.

[Anonymous No.17295632]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17295657]

>>17294403
>I think I've heard the name somewhere but where is this from?
>He doesn't know
Kull is Robert E. Howard's most famous character outside of Conan

[Anonymous No.17295666]

>>17295614
I read constellation

[Anonymous No.17295675]

>>17295496
lol. What's your issue with Miéville?

[Anonymous No.17295695]

>>17295675
his shit suxk and he’s an obnoxious gen-Xer. perdido street was crap. bad characters, plot, aesthetics, stupid ~urban fantasy~ setting, lots of meaningless shock jocking... crap.

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>>17295695
Have you read any of his other books? I know his personal politics might upset a lot of people, but his stories seem immensely creative. I know some of them fall a bit flat, but generally speaking he is an impressive as fuck writer.

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>>17295695
I agree on Perdido, but I thought The City and The City was very good.

[Anonymous No.17295895]

>>17295847
Kinda anticlimactic isn't it.

[Anonymous No.17295907]

>>17295900
>>17295900
>>17295900

[Anonymous No.17295909]

>>17288566
yea yea Dick is based but god damn I do not like his prose

[Anonymous No.17296018]

>>17293455
the stars my destination

[Anonymous No.17296041]

>>17294366
I get you. I got pretty pissy about Player of Games.

[Anonymous No.17296087]

>>17293459
this guy unironically fucks

[Anonymous No.17296163]

>>17295895
I guess -- I don't remember or care about the ending. I loved the setting and its slow and patient reveal. While Perdido was just random splatter hey we've got these and some of these, and now it's like this, and oh with demons too. Bleh. But The City was tight.

[Anonymous No.17296252]

>>17296018
Manliest book ever written.

[Anonymous No.17296300]

I've been listening to the Audiobook version of BotNS, and I love Roy Avers narration. However the quality is terrible, to the point where the background noise is unbearable in the second book. This is the case for all of the audiobook I have been able to find. I like Avers more then Davis. Does anyone know where I can find a cleaner higher quality version of avers narration?

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>>17295909
feel ya, holmes
he's got the goods in the stories
but damn that prose makes you wonder sometimes
i guess his market was teens at the time