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17273916 No.17273916 [Reply] [Original]

Are there any other books critical of contemporary culture in the style of essay collections and pop culture analysis'?

>> No.17274230

read Byung-Chul Han's Burnout Society

>> No.17274341

bump

>> No.17274389

>>17273916
Since Fisher is a Left-Accelerationist, you can go the other route with Nick Land. Both of them worked together for some time, if I recall correctly.

Obvisiouly Zizek, but he requires some knowledge about Lacan, Kant, Hegel and Marx.

Tbh Fisher is pretty good. I would read more works by him

>> No.17274979

>>17274389
there seems to be a nearly endless reading list before one is supposed to read land. I'm majoring in philosophy but I haven't gotten to the philosophers that supposedly influenced land, so I might just wait until I get there.
regarding zizek, I've heard that the plague of fantasies is a good entry point even if you're not well-educated on lacan, hegel etc. Is that true?

>> No.17275005

>>17274979
>Is that true?
IMO yes. It's a good starting point.

>there seems to be a nearly endless reading list before one is supposed to read land

He is difficult to read. Even more than Zizek. You need to at least understand Kant, Marx and Deleuze before Reading him. He also fried his Brain with Psychedelics in the late 90s so he will never stop talking like a mental case

>> No.17275032

ty, that's good to know. I've always wanted to read zizek bc his lectures are kinda tiresome to listen to

>> No.17275050

>>17275032
Yeah, i get you. His whole sniffing and other tics make it impossible for me to listen to him

>> No.17275098

>>17273916

Archeologies(sic) of the Future by Fredric Jameson is a pretty damn good analysis. It does use references that might appear outdated as they are already hyper referenced by later works (e.g he uses a lot of Philip K. Dick, William Gibson, etc.), but his style is entertaining and in my opinion far more accessible than Nick Land which would be the best "evil version" of Fisher.

>>17274230

I also second this very hard because Han's perspective from the POV of the Eastern ethos provides much needed clarity of the contemporary culture, since it's heavily influenced by Asia today and not only merely the West.

>> No.17275099

>>17275050
for me it's not (just) that but more the way he structures his arguments. If he gets asked on a topic he'll start rambling for a few seconds, then he interrupts himself with some joke and then he goes onto a completely unrelated argument and by the end I'm just left more confused about his views than before. I've watched quite a lot of his lectures and interviews and what I only get is that A) he's pessimistic about pretty much everything and B) that there should be a new internationally organized left to counter authoritarian capitalism.

>> No.17275114

>>17274230
Byung-Chul Han is very accessible. Psycho-Politics is pretty good; In The Swarm is not as good, but still worth reading.

>> No.17275123

>>17275098
I've actually bought postmodernism by jameson not too long ago but I'm afraid to read it because I've seen that it requires deep understanding of marx and semiotics, and I'm not there yet. Is Archeologies(sic) pleb proof in that sense?
>>17275114
>>17274230
guess I'll start with byung-chul han first then. ty

>> No.17275139

>>17273916
I read Capitalist Realism and really liked it and then I read Ghosts of My Life and it was a fucking slog and I hated it. So glad I didn't by 800 pages of that. Maybe his bigger collection is more interesting.

>> No.17275149

Jacques Barzun's words stand eternal.

>> No.17275154

>>17275139
Can confirm, "Ghosts of my Life" is a slog.
Like most of his work though

>> No.17275165

>>17273916
Burial is SHIT

>> No.17275173

>>17275154
I like most of his work. That's what I meant to write

>> No.17275208

>>17275139
Also read ghosts of my life as I liked cr and it was a mixed bag for me. Generally I think the problem was that it required me to be at least familiar with and interested in british pop culture and media, which I only was to some extent. I skipped some parts because of that. But there were some really memorable quotes here and there. I really like his writing overall - he hits the nail on the head with a semi-pessimistic tone.
>>17275149
from dawn to decadence seems very interesting, saved.

>> No.17275214

>>17275139
>>17275154
Why did you find it a slog? I personally really enjoyed it.

>> No.17275218

>>17275123
>>17275098

Jameson's Postmodernism is a magnum opus kind of text, and he makes it a point to be as throughout, detailed, and as properly grounded as possible, which makes it somewhat dense in content while also overwhelming in scope.

Archeologies is more accessible and a much more intense focus in scope goes a long way in easing your understanding of his arguments. He also uses the sci-fi references often enough and substantially enough to deviate from the grad school textbook model, and for better or worse the entire piece seems more relevant today than 15 years ago.

>> No.17275221

>>17275214
Can't explain it desu. I just wasn't interested in the themes he touched in this Book. But it's good that you enjoyed it

>> No.17275284

>>17275218
ty!

>> No.17275289

>>17273916
I mean have you tried bringing up nietzsche or any western philosopher for that matter around your local lgbtqia leftist cattle? In no time you will see their little stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating "wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Why read books by dead white men when you could have been streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneygo? Have you been taking your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will have to report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training".I mean have you tried bringing up nietzsche or any western philosopher for that matter around your local lgbtqia leftist cattle? In no time you will see their little stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating "wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Why read books by dead white men when you could have been streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneygo? Didnt you know reading is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? Have you been taking your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will have to report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training".

>> No.17275304

aaaaaaaand another thread about an interesting philosopher is going to get derailed by some tard eternally stuck in 2016 who has no idea whats actually being discussed

>> No.17275309

>>17275289
Nietsche is for retards like you. Idealist rambling to empower the Loser from the suburbs. Fisher gives a materialist analysis instead.

You'r right about "dead white old eurocentric male philosopher" meme inside "leftist circles" though. You give them a copy of Marx and they say " But wasn't he racist?" and "He is white and dead"

>> No.17275335

>>17275309
Bringing class to a race war is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Leftists are on the side of the monoculture and major capitalist corporations, they are the people who have given up and seek ego death through total psychiatrization, if you are for descentralization and the strategic revival of archaisms that is enough to place you as a far right white supremacist

>> No.17275336

>>17275289
kys

>> No.17275352

>>17275335
>Bringing class to a race war is like bringing a knife to a gunfight

Delusions like that are rare, but hey I guess this is your Interpretation of the world. Let's keep it at that and not derail the thread

>> No.17275371

been hearing a lot about this fella and i want to read capitalist realism, is there any mandatory reading to be done for it? ive only read a bit of the classics of marx, engels, lenin and some adorno & horkheimer

>>17275335
>Leftists are on the side of the monoculture and major capitalist corporations
look buddy, what are you doing in this thread? its clear that you dont have the slightest clue what leftist philosophers think and want, so why are you here? theres a board for people like you just around the corner

>> No.17275388

>>17274979
The bare minimum for Land would be Plato, Spinoza, at least Kant's Critique of Pure Reason (if not all three Critiques, depends how much you like pain), some Bataille, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, D&G's Anti-Oedipus, and Gibson's Neuromancer. Otherwise it will be complete gibberish as opposed to mostly gibberish.

>> No.17275389
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17275389

>>17275309
Why should white heterosexual people stick with the left except out of stockholm syndrome? These people have made it pretty clear which side they are on.

>> No.17275400

>>17273916
Flatline Constructs if you haven't come across that already. Feels like it could have been written last week.

>> No.17275412

>>17275389
i really do wonder why corprations suck on the teets of popular movements while doing nothing to actually further their goals other than empty signs
really i cant think of any other reason a corporation would do this other than that they truly care about the well being of lgtb people. no alterior motives here

>> No.17275443

>>17275412
lgbt 'people'= purpose engineered biopolitical clientele for globalism. they don't breed, follpow the party line no matter what and can be relied upon to buy up rainbow colored commodities. the last man has nothing left but 'identity' that is consuming product and proudly getting fucked up the arse, both literally and metaphorically.

>> No.17275444

>>17275412
I’ve been trying to convince my wife of this.
Books that prove that corporations don’t have souls?

>> No.17275451

>>17275389
Liberals are not the Left you dumb Burger.
Not my problem anyway. You are they guys favoring Capitalism. Now that Capital sees a new market in LGBT and BLM and doesn't give a fuck about the white working class, you guys are angry. This was always meant to be. Now you faggots says the Left actually is in Favor of this and try to distance yourself from this?

Retard let's be clear, the working class isn't pro LGBT, but sure as fuck aren't conservative.

>> No.17275462

>>17275444
Unironically give her Mark Fisher. "Capitalist Realism"

>> No.17275463
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>>17275444

>> No.17275586

>>17275443
>>>/x/
>>17275444
capitalist realism was already mentioned, but i dont think you need a book to understand this basic fact
>corprations have one goal: profit
>more and more people are allies to lgtb people or black people
>these people are potential customers
>bait them into buying rainbow flags made by slaves because it validates the average liberal
i could go deeper into how capital neuters grassroots movements and sucks all the dangerous ideas out of them, how people started calling for police abolition but then got appeased when a bunch of politians and corps said "we are on your side :) please dont act up and consume more product"
if you really wanna get into it youll need to read marx or adorno & horkheimer

>> No.17275599

>>17275444
Baudrillard's Consumer Society.

>> No.17275624

Man I value your input but you sound like a dweeb.

>> No.17275633

>>17275624
Who you talking to?

>> No.17275652

>>17275586
aren't you tired of the ceseless schreeching of those shrill, evil 'marginalized voices'? wouldn't it be great if we could make them 'go away somehow'? load them into trucks, drive them out to the countryside, help them dig a nice big trench? wouldn't the very air we breathe feel much cleaner?

>> No.17275675

>>17275652
There is only one "marginalized" voice that matters, and it is the working class

>> No.17275804

>>17275652
what are you even talking about? is this some boomers racist tirade or a shitpost? i cant tell anymore
>>17275675
i would agree, but racism for example disproportionately effects the working class. there are always multiple vectors of oppression, and combatting all is more effective than focusing exclusively on class, although it surely is the most important.

>> No.17275832

>>17275804
what is the goal of the left but to help corporations engineer humanity into a docile mass of raceless, sexless, genderless, pink haired queer blobs chugging vegan big macs and throbbing in spasms of wounded rage at the globohomo media machine? it's no longer a question of left v right but of the monoculture agianst those who dare to defy it.

>> No.17275862

>>17275832
Damn these Corporations sound bad. I guess we have no choice but to abolish Capitalism in favor of public ownership of the means of Production.

>> No.17275878

>>17274230
Can't recommend him enough?

>> No.17275889

Is Land is worth reading or is he just a meme?

>> No.17275910

>>17275889
His earlier works are interesting, but nowadays he is just a meme who is coping with the fact that his Brain melted through the use of LSD

>> No.17275911

>>17275889
Bad meme

>> No.17275912

>>17273916
Read buzzfeed you'll figure it out

>> No.17275922

>>17275675
>>17275804
>working class this
>working class that
Why is everything fair game for deconstruction except the working class? Most of these people have been transformed into the clientele of welfare states anyway, stipended with taxation revenues in order to legitimate capital's growth to moralizers less strict than you. They are not some engine of history or only thing essential in the whole wide world of human institutions. ALL human institutions are equally unreal to a capital which assembles itself using humanity for machine parts and fuel.

>> No.17275926

>>17275910
I haven't done much research. I thought about buying fanged noumena, Is it worth it, or should I go for another book?

>> No.17275958

>>17275862
Yep, we should definitely have an oligarchic government control all resources and all economic activity. Free and equal.

(By the way, I think you forgot your tripcode, b-fly)

>> No.17275981

>>17275922
This only applies to Western Countries in the Imperial Core. The welfare state is eroding anyway, and was only capable of its successes, because of the Post-War Boom so this won't apply for long.
I agree though that, Capital won't shy away from commodyfying everything in their path and automation will replace the worker sooner than later

>> No.17276014

>>17275926
Pseud garbage

>> No.17276019

>>17275958
>free and equal

Empty concepts that don't mean anything without context. That's why Americans like them so much probably

>>17275958
>oligarchic government control all resources and all economic activity.

We have that at the moment in form of the Capitalist Class, but Working Class ownership is somehow the same?

>> No.17276061

>>17276014
I won't read it for "intellectual" purposes. I mean who would actually bring up land in a normie conversation to impress people. I just find these kind of quasi-neurotic ramblings quite entertaining.

"Hide your powerlevel" is not just a meme but a survival tip in the outside world

>> No.17276071

>>17275832
this is what happens when your view of the left if formed exclusively through "SJW rekt compilation #35"
its easy to fight men made of straw.
>>17275958
bro, seriously, before you try to rebuke something with your epic facts and logic at least google what people are even talking about. you dont seem to know what leftism is at the most basic level.
also, rent free lmao

>> No.17276084

>>17275889
Not a meme, just filters artfags and pseuds pretty hard.

I thought he was gibberish, but then I read A-O and ATP, dropped a shit tonne of acid and became a scientist.

>> No.17276092

>>17276084
Cringe.

>> No.17276107

Honestly Land, like D&G, requires a relatively high level of technical knowledge, as well as being fairly up-to-date in technological advances. I would say this is more important by far than other influences people have cited for him.

Also reading Neuromancer helps.

>> No.17276123

>>17276092
Feeling left out? There's just some things you might never understand

>> No.17276605

>>17275371
no mandatory reading required at all actually, it's pretty straightforward. It was actually my introduction to leftist theory.