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A lot of Marxists are known for their deep written analysis on film and cinema. Has a fascist ever done the same?

>> No.17260432

>>>/tv/

>> No.17260435

why are marxists so obsessed with fascists? do they think it's still ww2?

>> No.17260456

>>17260435
Are they? I thought they were about the class struggle.

>> No.17260469

>>17260456
technically they should be, but most marxists i see online seethe more about fascists, a fringe minority, than modern day capitalists

>> No.17260477

>>17260456
It is reasonably interesting if you take your time to check out what they talk about to each other. It is mostly about unifying people and preventing the fragmentation that occurs in modernity.

>> No.17260517

Brasillach and bardeche wrote a book on cinema.

>> No.17260540

>>17260335
Fascists then and now have dissected film and other media. They just dont go into it more than is needed. Marxists are pretentious and materialist, so they need to go into things way too deep.

>> No.17260620

Fascism thankfully died before it could get its hands on cinema, the same can't be said of communism unfortunately
If you consider their critique of cinema insightful then all that can be said is
Ngmi
>>17260477
A fracturing their ideas caused
Mind you, before "modernity", Marxists blamed capitalism for doing the exact opposite of what they criticize it for nowadays
Capitalism is this arcane force that's too blame for everything I don't like at any given time

>> No.17260637

>>17260620
Not really, it has some external causes, anon. It is not like people who were ruling haven't done their homework. You can't rule with your head up to your ass reading a bunch of useless shit, that is how shit hits the fan.

>> No.17260656

>>17260335
Pretty sure there are passages about theater and cinema in Mein Kampf, also Wagner was a pre-fascist so you can look at his stuff
I just started rading "Culture in Nazi Germany" by Michael H. Kater, its a extensive research about everything culture related, from traditional art to cinema and music, id recommend you to pick it up too. Havent gotten far but of what iv seen and skimmed though before buying it it seems great

>> No.17260662

>>17260335
Fascists are not pseuds so probably no

>> No.17260672

>>17260335
Most fascists are allergic to intellectualism.

>> No.17260682

>>17260672
cinema? intellectualism? am i missing something

>> No.17260696

>>17260672
Is that the reason why most of them were philosophers and writers? Interesting take for sure, that 100% isnt just a commie shit take

>> No.17260700

>>17260469
Same shit

>> No.17260703

>>17260696
most of /lit/ is "philosophers" and "writers"

>> No.17260714

>>17260637
Which point are you even referencing I'm very confused

>> No.17260730

>>17260335
Alex Kierkegaard

>> No.17260733

>>17260682
>>17260696
They don't care about cultural analysis, they care about emotion and action. For instance, Mishima thought having a relationship with your body and action were more important than reading and writing books, which he considered effete. Evola is very similar, with his emphasis on mysticism. Other fascists like Mussolini do not have a theory for their politics at all.

>> No.17260742

>>17260714
The fracturing part, it is not like the ruling classes haven't noticed it and made 'adjustments' to difficult things as a big strikes. Just think about it, anon. It used to be quite easy to make such things happen, those revolutions used to happen in an era before the internet.

>> No.17260761

>>17260733
> Evola is very similar, with his emphasis on mysticism
He wasn't a fascist tho
>They don't care about cultural analysis
Does Spenglers and Hitlers analysis of the past and their society count and i guess Ezra Pound? Havent read his stuff except his analysis on Erigena, just curious

>> No.17260957

>>17260517
Only good post in this shitty thread.

>> No.17261093

Bump

>> No.17261189

>>17260335
>A lot of Marxists are known for their deep written analysis on film and cinema
I'm getting strong bugman vibes from this statement.

>> No.17261583

>>17260517
Rebatet was also a great cinema critic.

Less fascist, Rohmer was a monarchist.

>> No.17261650

>>17260335
>A lot of Marxists
Who?
>are known
Are they?
> deep written analysis on film and cinema
[Citation needed]

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>>17260335
>film and cinema
I know Evola was a leading painter in the Italian Dadaist movement

>> No.17261797

>>17260335
fascists and nazis cant read. They will never be capable to enjoy art; all they do is steal previus time art and claim that it was for people like them (they literally "wewuz" culture, becase they are not capable of produce it).

/thread

>> No.17261806

>>17260335
Who the fuck watches movies lmao
Visual media is inherently low IQ, and flicks are the lowest thing humanity has produced.

>> No.17261841

>>17260335
Hitler liked movies a lot.

>> No.17261982

>>17261583
>Rohmer was a monarchist
lmao really?

>> No.17262667

>>17261797
basically this
it's all degenerate because joos