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1724692 No.1724692 [Reply] [Original]

I don't really understand how describing a scientifically-dominated utopia is satirizing contemporary modern life, government, and society.

>> No.1724699

2deep4u

>> No.1724700

i don't really understand why i should have to hold your hand because you can't make the connections with a book commonly read and fully understood by sophomores in high school

>> No.1724696

you must have a very literal mind.

>> No.1724715

>>1724696
The kind of mindset anyone who wants to be a successful mathematician or scientist ought to have.

>>1724700
With such a blank statement like that I suppose I'm sure to believe you've wrapped your head around it better than I.

>> No.1724724

OP this book was written in the 1930s where the average IQ was 80

Huxley's satirizing the fact that using technology that isn't inherently dangerous to the child-laborers used during that time period (such as pneumatics) is reason enough to believe that one day we might be overcome by it.

>> No.1724737

>>1724715
>The kind of mindset anyone who wants to be a successful mathematician or scientist ought to have.

good 4 u. good luck w/ ur book adventures. might i suggest fantasy?

>> No.1724744

>>1724737
>>Scientists and mathematicians
>>reading fantasy novels

Maybe I'm thinking too literally, or you not literally enough, friend.

>> No.1724767

Aldous is most particularly emphasizing the result of when humanity allows itself to be usurped by science and technology. That result is exactly what alienates us as the reader and say, "Something MUST be wrong here!" when we read, even if there is nothing.

Alternatively, the civilization in Brave New World is entirely stagnant and halted. It's still relatively questioned whether or not Aldous meant to implement this particular idea into his novel, but it stands that the book describes an alien civilization created when we do not try to press forward into the unknown - both scientifically and literally. The life in the book is boring and unmoving, which encourages the way that, that life exists.

Those are my two readings of it, anyway.

>> No.1724811
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1724811

brave new world is basically the world created when you consider happiness to the greatest moral good, and its pretty surprising you guys didn't pick that up. They were happy. Endlessly, vapidly, pointlessly happy. The novel is anti-eudamonic, and because fervent belief in eudamonia is endemic to the internet crowd, none of you can fathom a worldview in which it doesn't hold first and last position.

Happy easter. This is a martyr. There are none, and never will be for eudamonia.

>> No.1724834

>>1724811
So he's satirizing happiness.

>> No.1724840

>>1724811
It's not just endemic to the internet crowd, it's more-or-less endemic to the entirety of modern western society right now.

>> No.1724849

>>1724834
Aldous Huxley created a future civilization in which life is lived for its own sake. It is stagnant and devoid of thought and beauty.

>> No.1724856

>>1724744

fantasy novels tend to not have a lot going on beneath the surface of the plot.

>> No.1724910

>>1724856
Yes, apposed to.... Auto biographical novels, right bro?

>> No.1724920

>utopia where is everybody is happy
>FUCK THIS SHIT, IT'S NOT DRAMATIC ENOUGH, A PERFECT WORLD WOULD BE BORING

oh, so I suppose you'd rather have the current world full of third-world slavery, extreme islam, child sex trafficking, starvation, AIDS, etc.

lol hipsters

>> No.1724936

>The kind of mindset anyone who wants to be a successful mathematician or scientist ought to have.
common misconception. Scientists sometimes have to very creative and have good design acumen when experimenting, operationalizing and working with a team. Similarly mathematicians have to memorize the conceptual truth behind complex rules and patterns, which literalism doesn't always help.

Anyway the key to the satire lies in
- the caste system and admiration of physical beauty
-Soma
-John juxtaposed with the world controller
-Soma
-The societies view of art and it's resemblance to Plato's republic
-SOMA

I.e. the devaluation of what was otherwise societies ideal.

>> No.1724938

>>1724920
Did you forget the part where science hasn't advanced in centuries, thus dooming mankind to whatever the universe throws our way, if all the fossil fuels don't disappear first?

>> No.1724943

>>1724920
the point is its not a perfect world. But again, its so endemic nowadays that you can't even seperate the two ideas.

Brave new world is good because it is well-written and interesting. Its great because it predicts you and your cohort perfectly. So take your soma, enjoy your endless diversion, your orgy porgy and community sings.

>> No.1724945

>>1724936
The geniuses are always artists.
Sometimes logical systems are an art.
Enjoy you lab-monkeying, OP, it seems all you'll really be good for.

>> No.1724950

>>1724920
>false dichotomy

>> No.1724955

>>1724945
your*

>> No.1725004

>the conceptual truth behind complex rules and patterns
Holy shit, true dat. Euler's identity blew my mind when I understood it. I'm going to retake math 265 even though I have a B just because I've been lost since the second week.

>> No.1725009

>>1724910

did i say that fantasy novels hold this attribute exclusively, you little turd? go ahead, read a biography. hell, read an ethnography about the koo-wa-wa tribe in africa or a fucking DVD player instruction booklet while you're at it if a brave new world is just beyond your ability.