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Why do so many people fail to grasp the meaning of 1984?

>> No.17240811

>>17240793
Depends on where you live of course, but in the US it was found that "approximately 43 million Americans possess low literacy skills and 8.4 million American adults are classified as functionally illiterate".

Low literacy skills coupled with it being one of the most often recommended books makes it ripe for misinterpretation.

>> No.17240915

>>17240793
How is this more than fiction anyway?

>> No.17241074

>>17240793
Orwell is a worthless hack with nothing to say and who can't write a stylistically compelling and meaningful sentence to save his life. All copies of 1984 should be collected, burned en masse and the owners should be provided with a free copy of the vastly superior Brave New World.

>> No.17241345

>>17241074
Unironically Orwellian.

>> No.17241349

>>17241074
Unironically Based

>> No.17241376

>>17241074
Based Brave New World appreciator.

>> No.17241384

Why do leftists seethe anytime 1984 is mentioned?

>> No.17241790
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17241790

>>17241384
Because rightoids keep forgetting that he was a leftist. I even saw some conservative article saying that Orwell wouldn't support antifa or something like that. I think he belongs to the same category such as Hegel and Marx. Everbody knows them, says that they read them and formed an opinion about their works but in reality, nobody has any idea what they were writing about and probably never have read them.

>> No.17241825

>>17241384
Because they are using it to push the neocon agenda Orwells warned us in Animal Farm

>> No.17241868

>>17241825
>the neocon agenda Orwells warned us in Animal Farm
Animal Farm was literally the story of the USSR with Bolshevik pigs, what are you talking about

>> No.17241876

>>17241868
Nice brainlet take, no wonder they had to change the ending in the american movie, americans are literally unable to see the world basides black and white

>> No.17241886

>>17241790
Today's right was yesterday's liberal. You're a retard. Also Orwell based 1984 on the communists/anarcho-syndalists he supported during the Spanish civil war.

>Because rightoids keep forgetting that he was a leftist.
He was a leftist UNTIL he fought on their behalf during the Spanish Civil war and saw them for what they are. And before you claim otherwise, the Spanish civil war was literally fought by antifa and Orwell was supposedly fighting fascism before realizing how corrupt communists actually are.

>> No.17241916

>>17241876
That's some weird gaslighting attempt. Again, Orwell was extremely anti-communist after having fought FOR them during the Spanish civil war. Everything he wrote about derived from his experience with the censorious, power-hungry communists that made up the Popular Antifascist Front

>> No.17241923

Because it's uncomfortable to realise that modern political rhetoric and policy is often guided by the same principles that govern the state of 1984.

>> No.17241942

>>17241916
Again your tiny american brain can not see the world as anything besides "us against them", Orwell work is pretty fuckinb obvious against ANYONE using the people for their own selfish interests it was not just le gommunists, fuck off, fucking brain midget

>> No.17241988

>>17241942
>implying
This is like basic high school literacy. There is no deeper meaning to get. It is a fact that he wrote Animal Farm and 1984 after having been part of the Spanish civil war. No amount of kvetching will change this fact.

>> No.17241994

>>17241988
Brainlet take once again

>> No.17242012

>>17241994
It's not even a "take", it's a fact you retard. This is like saying The Gulag Archipeligo wasn't about the gulags in Soviet Russia because its lessons can be applied elsewhere.

>> No.17242059

>>17241886
No. You are misinformed. He realized how stalinism is corrupt after the anarchist/socialist faction he was fighting for was betrayed by the commies. He stayed socialists. His critiques are against stalinism and stalinist mentality in Britain.

>> No.17242076

>>17242059
Ah yeah you're right, I forgot the anarcho-syndalists were the european socialists. It's the anarcho-communists who were the communists (who split from the syndicalists in the early-mid 20th century)

>> No.17242149

>>17242076
>The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.

This is from his essay from 1946. It can help clear up a few things. He was sure an anti-communist but still a socialist. I think his socialist roots are forgotten because his works were used as a cold war propaganda in some degree rightfully.

>> No.17242256

>>17242059
>P.O.U.M.
>anarchist
You're retarded and havent read hommage to Catalonia.

>> No.17242665

>>17241074
I have both of them though, what would I do with an extra copy of BNW?

>> No.17243102
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17243102

>>17240793
Daily Reminder that even if Orwell was a s*cialist he hated commies almost as much as I do :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

>> No.17243154

>>17243102
Based Snitchwell BTFO crypto-communists.

>> No.17243845

>>17241886
he was a leftist after the civil war, he just wasn't a leftist in support of the soviets

>> No.17243893

>>17241074
They're both good, and the modern totalitarian state is a mix of the two.
I agree that bnw turned out to be the more prescient of the two

>> No.17243923

>>17241790
>saying that Orwell wouldn't support antifa or something like that.
That one is particularly hilarious.

>> No.17243927

>>17241790
>>17241825
>>17243923
see >>17243102
:)

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>>17241790
I took it as a warning against government totalitarianism in all it's forms. He even made the national/party ideology "English Socialism", so I don't think he was subtly shilling Marx either. It was an enjoyable story with a pretty clear message imo.

>> No.17244611

>>17240811
>>17241876
Rent free

>> No.17245274

>>17240793
well everything he was saying applied to both authoritarian countries at the time like the USSR and nazi germany as well as the UK and USAs wartime propoganda