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[Anonymous No.17239878]

Is capitalism even compatible with the ideas of Christianity? Was Jesus as described in the Bible a communist?

[Anonymous No.17239895]

>>17239878
>Jesus was a heckin commie you dumb rightoid chuds lmao read a fuckin book communism is compatible with your religion
>no of course we're not going to ban abortion, euthanasia and the globohomo industry, we're only cherry picking elements of your religion that fare well with our own views

[Anonymous No.17239900]

>>17239878
stop worrying about a system of economics and start worrying about demons trying to make you smoke drugs

[Anonymous No.17239907]

>>17239895
>>17239900
retards, you can be a communist and against "abortion, euthanasia and the globohomo industry"

[Anonymous No.17239913]

>>17239878
Capitalism can make anything compatible with itself.

[Anonymous No.17239922]

>>17239878
Christianity isn't really about politics and laws, anon. I can't remember the part of it, but there is something about a Caesar and God. And giving what is due to each one of them.

[Anonymous No.17239931]

>Democratic socialism managed to fit within the two existing models as a welcome counterweight to the radical liberal positions, which it developed and corrected. It also managed to appeal to various religious denominations. In England it became the political party of the Catholics, who had never felt at home among either the Protestant conservatives or the liberals. In Wilhelmine Germany, too, Catholic groups felt closer to democratic socialism than to the rigidly Prussian and Protestant conservative forces. In many respects, democratic socialism was and is close to Catholic social doctrine, and has in any case made a remarkable contribution to the formation of a social consciousness.
—Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI), ‘Without Roots’

[Anonymous No.17239967]

Yes, OP. The Bible is clear that the workers must rise up, kill property-owners and seize the means of production. Anyone that does not think the Bible is communist is arguing in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.17240012]

>>17239907
Cope

[Anonymous No.17240026]

communists didn't exist before the emergence of capitalism

[Anonymous No.17240039]

>>17239878
>using religious texts to make economical decisions
NGMI

[Anonymous No.17240050]

>>17239878
Your right to property is antithetical to Christ

[Anonymous No.17240078]

>>17239878
God literally strikes 2 people dead in Acts because they withhold some of their money from Peter and the early Church. The literally doctrine they were following was 'from each according to ability, to each according to need'. Christ repeatedly rebukes the wealthy, tells a man who has lived an otherwise exemplary moral life that he would never be perfect unless he sold his possessions and gave his proceeds to the poor, warned that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, and used a parable to put a rich man in hell while the beggar lazarus went to heaven.

It's a bit complicated, though. Money helped the early Church in spreading their word and is vital today in doing the same. However, as we see through Acts and the formation of the Church following Christ's ascension, wealth was always distributed to a central purse where it was expressly used to help the poor and advance teaching of the gospel, while Church members individually detached themselves from physical possessions and professed poverty.

[Anonymous No.17240101]

inb4 some mong claims "the eye of a needle" was the name of a city gate

[Anonymous No.17240108]

>>17240101
my interpretation was you can't take it with you

sinple

[Anonymous No.17240109]

>>17240101
the most hilarious cope I've ever read

[Anonymous No.17240502]

>>17239878
Parable of the Talents. Christianity acknowledges the reality of societal and market forces, they are just irrelevant to the pursuit of salvation. Nowhere does it advocate the disruption of the system or the establishment of some utopian state in the temporal world, for the Kingdom of Heaven is not of this Earth.

[Anonymous No.17240583]

>>17239878
how low does your iq have to be that you think communism = giving poor people money

[Anonymous No.17240684]

>>17240502
You seem to be one of the few here who has actually read the Gospels. Christ makes it clear that human perfection is impossible, it is only through Him that man can hope to be redeemed. The rich man has as much trouble as the camel through the needle not BECAUSE he is rich. Christ's point is that wealth, and extravagant acts of faith, will not be enough for salvation. Only the compassion of God can grant man access to the Kingdom.

[Anonymous No.17240704]

>>17239878
Considering the foundation for global economics is based on what he flipped the tables in the synagogue for. He accused them of making the temple a den of thieves, we can now see that he wasn't wrong.

[Anonymous No.17240780]

>>17239878
>Communists during the red terror: Grab priests in the night and make them drink lead in a mock communion ceremony
>Westerners: Was Jesus as described in the Bible a communist?
This is where you have to get off the idolatry train in order to understand Christianity. When Christianity points to the future, it sees the return of Jesus Christ and the Resurrection of the dead, the final judgement, and the re-making of creation under the governance of God. There is no earthly government, however rational, that Christians will say "yeah this is it, perfection."

[Anonymous No.17240795]

>>17239878
>Was Jesus as described in the Bible a communist?
no. communism is an inherently materialist ideology, and jesus was anything but materialist
that being said if you are american then yes, christianity is likely much more compatible with socialism
>>17239931
I miss this little nigga like you would not believe

[Anonymous No.17240805]

>>17240780
Why are you using a Youtube comment format?
Communist: *kills priest*
Jesus: Wait, that's illegal.
Everyone disliked that.
Blasphemy 100.

[Anonymous No.17240816]

>>17240805
For the fun of it mate

[Anonymous No.17240830]

Jesus probably didn't have a worked out political system, and if he did we don't know about it

[Anonymous No.17240831]

>>17239878
Historically Christianity is made to support whatever the political order is at the time unless it's explicitly anti-Christian.

[Anonymous No.17241066]

>>17239878
Look up Catholic social teaching, specifically distributism and subsidiarity.

[Anonymous No.17241181]

>>17240684
>Be ye perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect
Cope. Material wealth is not conducive to spiritual depth

[Anonymous No.17241661]

>>17239878
John 13: 16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

[Anonymous No.17241725]

>>17239878
Dualities dont exist, stop divinding everything is fake dualities like communism and capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17241764]

>>17241181
Maybe for you it isn’t. This sounds like a cope to make your own lack of material wealth somehow spiritually redeeming in and of itself.

[Anonymous No.17241785]

>>17239895
>>17239900
your brain has been rotted by twitter and you should devote effort to trying to actually understand history

[Anonymous No.17241800]

>>17241661
This is a good point and has to do with social welfare, not so much monetary welfare. :3

Money is not quality of life, so I really wish people would understand that when they devise economic systems.

[Anonymous No.17241808]

Well considering the point of capitalism is profit above all else, you can't really be a true Christian and engage in profiteering because that means you care more about money than God.

Obviously this sucks for Christians because free market capitalism is what it means to be conservative now because of Reagan.

[Anonymous No.17241824]

>>17239878
Sort of, not really
>>17239907
>>17239967
>Hears anti-capitalism, immediately thinks communism
ngmi
>>17241661
This doesn't mean that the master isn't the master of the servant, it just means the master is not greater than the servant. It isn't a denunciation of hierarchy, hierarchy exists but you are not a better or worse person for occupying a particular spot in the hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.17242119]

>>17241661
That's Jesus talking about himself

[Anonymous No.17242213]

>>17239878
>Is capitalism even compatible with the ideas of Christianity?
No, it’s not and that was clear as recently as French Action Francaise, which heavily inspired by Catholicism and sought to bring Catholics and secularists together as the original 3rd position alternative to socialism and capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17242219]

>>17241725
>Dualities dont exist,
Fuck off tranny

[Anonymous No.17242244]

>>17239931
Based. I wish I were Catholic, not in the LARPing TradCath way but a genuine Catholic.

[Anonymous No.17242264]

>>17242244
What's stopping you?

[Anonymous No.17242282]

>>17241824
OP used the word communism retard

[Anonymous No.17242294]

>>17242264
I don't have enough faith.

[Anonymous No.17242297]

Christianity doesn't adhere to any political system, especially nothing that arose from the humanist, enlightenment period. Both supporters and adversaries of capitalism understand it is based on a purely secular worldview and cannot be compatible with the Christian understanding of the world. Having said that, I need to stress once more for the slow boys that Christ was not a communist or a proponent for any (economic) political system, these are contradicting worldviews.

Christianity operates on an anti-materialistic understanding of soteriology, both capitalism and communism are materialistic and offer humanist solutions for salvation.

[Anonymous No.17242440]

>>17240795
>authority on Jesus
>uses nigger
low effort bait

[Anonymous No.17242450]

>>17240078
The late Roman Empire, Christianized under Constantine and continuing the reforms of Diocletian - was essentially a command economy with Church doing a lot of the social justice work.

[Anonymous No.17242507]

>>17242440
>nooo you can't use the naughty word

[Anonymous No.17242514]

>>17242440
go back.

[Anonymous No.17242588]

>>17242119
Not solely. Also Luke 22:27.
For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.