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17237284 No.17237284 [Reply] [Original]

I’ve been having this thought lately and I am sure it’s far from original... but I am trying to find books on it. To clarify, I am not looking for books that say we should be selfish but rather this is something innate to all humans and inescapable.

We all want fame, riches, and beautiful companions

>> No.17237293

In Christianity this is called "original sin"

>> No.17237308

>>17237284
Stirner

>> No.17237309

To what end do you want to read about this?

>> No.17237343

>>17237284
Freud

>> No.17237366

>>17237284
It's called basic logic.

>> No.17237755

>>17237284
Hobbes

>> No.17237761

>>17237284
Chinese philosophies. I think one of Legalism or Confucianism but I forget which.

>> No.17238022

>>17237761
Legalism

>> No.17238110

>>17237284
>We all want fame, riches, and beautiful companions
There are three problems with this idea:
1. This creates a chaos out of conflicting desire. If everyone has unrestrained desires then we are in a permanent state of chaos.
2. The nature of any appetite is that the more you have, the more you want or need to get that same "high". This is why a glutton, an addict, a millionaire, etc. always desires more.
3. The fact that what we desire is not necessarily what is fulfilling and makes us happy. The heart is deceitful, as many have noticed in the past.
Check out this excerpt of the review of Mein Kampf by Orwell:
>Also he has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all ‘progressive’ thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades.

>> No.17238132

>>17237284
pretty much all emotions are inherent to humans

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>>17237284
Read Mandeville's 'The Grumbling Hive' OR, K N A V E S Turn’d HONEST. it's a quick read but a lot of fun. He has a more complete book called 'The Fable of the Bees' which is just The Grumbling Hive with expanding explanatory endnotes.
http://jacklynch.net/Texts/hive.html
Just BEE yourself.

>> No.17238523

>>17237284
there are a lot. one being epicureanism.

>> No.17238576

>>17238160
Who's that?

>> No.17238655

>>17237284
Cynicism

>> No.17238658

>>17237284
Hedonism

>> No.17239053

>>17237284
I don’t want fame, riches or beautiful companions. I highly dislike recognition and I want to eventually get to a point where I do not have to interact with any other people in person.

>> No.17239204

>>17237284
might call it materialism?
read Hobbes

>> No.17239329

>>17238655
This

>> No.17239336

>>17237284
Its called evolutionary psychology

>> No.17239354

>>17238576
You're lucky not to know