/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17225072]

Books about recovering masculinity? I think one of the biggest reasons Islam is getting one up on the west is the decline on masculinity. What are some tradition guides to it?

[Anonymous No.17225089]

>>17225072
Those men are from the same decade.

[Anonymous No.17225100]

>>17225072
The Bible, and nothing else. Steer away from Hellenistic poison. Just look at other anons, do they look like anything good? This is what you get by starting with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.17225104]

Better complain about it on twitter

[Anonymous No.17225111]

>>1722507,
>recovering masculinity
You never had it

[Anonymous No.17225112]

>>17225072
The thing about masculinity is that you have to define what masculinity is first.

Is it a Roman conception of masculinity (being an ascetic, serious man who respects the traditions of your ancestors) is fairly different from the "American 1990's one (being a promiscuous man with large muscles who drinks a lot).
I think the Roman one is better, by the way.

[Anonymous No.17225127]

>>17225072
ngl the dude on the right looks pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.17225148]

>>17225072
One looks like he was acting in a movie, second looks like he was shot for a commercial.

[Anonymous No.17225175]

>>17225072
Masculinity is a dialogue between the cultivation of strength, and self-control.

To be a man, it is one's duty to self-improve and develop skills while not succumbing to temptation of power of lower-order pleasure.

Socially balanced women will recognize and appreciate that.
Socially imbalanced women will lack the appreciation of that balance, preferring bestial men who are abusive and impulsive demonstrating only power, or weak and effeminate men who lack the will or strength to defend her.

[Anonymous No.17225190]

>>17225072
Take the time to be hateful so that your contempt may fall on all things that deserve it. We should not live in a default permissive and celebratory mode. We should guard ourselves against criticism through exemplary conduct and thought and only practice indulgence with loved ones and friends in moderation

[Anonymous No.17225199]

>>17225072
The second guy is closer to the role of the "gentleman" which is older and more traditional than the first guy, who was primarily influenced by imagery in advertisements and TV to be that way

[Anonymous No.17225204]

>>17225072
Don't lift books, lift weights you faggot

[Anonymous No.17225208]

>>17225072
And I almost forgot. Don't fucking start smoking.

[Anonymous No.17225215]

>>17225204
>>17225208
go back

[Anonymous No.17225222]

>>17225072
>Islam is getting one up on the west
in what?

[Anonymous No.17225230]

>>17225222
Numbers and zeal

[I hate women No.17225233]

>>17225127
Hard times create strong men
Yada yada yada
Comfy times breeds faggots

[I hate women No.17225248]

>>17225199
You’ll never be a real woman

[I hate women No.17225255]

>>17225175
Keyed

[Anonymous No.17225266]

>>17225072
Sun and Steel by Yukio Mashima

[Anonymous No.17225332]

>>17225248
You'll never be a real man

[Anonymous No.17225351]

>>17225199
Fuck off onions, he looks like a traditional jewish merchant. 109.

[Anonymous No.17225359]

>>17225072
Must be a satire account. Both of these are pictures of modern men one is just hot the other is not.

[Anonymous No.17225384]

>>17225233
I'd rather be a comfy faggot than a cancer ridden publicist with a repressed sexuality desu

[Anonymous No.17225422]

>>17225384
Which is the problem inherent.
You shy away from struggle, as if there is anything greater worth your time.

[Anonymous No.17225454]

>>17225351
Deal with it, men were "$oy" well before your LARPing "real man" came about.

[Anonymous No.17225458]

>>17225454
Lol as bad as dandies were they didn't let women vote

[Anonymous No.17225463]

>>17225072
Jordan Peterson lol

[Anonymous No.17225472]

>>17225458
Aggression is a sign of low IQ. The civilized intelligent man is "$oy"

[Anonymous No.17225494]

>>17225072

> Statue Twitter Post

OP will never not be sucking cock. Not once.

[Anonymous No.17225501]

>>17225472
That's well incorrect, cilivilized just means you have better technology for aggression and a more centralized tribe

[Anonymous No.17225511]

>>17225072
kill yourself twitterspamming immigrant

[Anonymous No.17225516]

>>17225233
I guess the war with Troy was a very comfy time

[Anonymous No.17225527]

>>17225100
Not even the church fathers?

[Anonymous No.17225580]

>>17225527
Even the Church Fathers were okay with philosophy, so long as it built virtue. Ignore the guy you are replying to and read Aristotle in addition to the Bible (Douhay-Rheims or the Orthodox Bible).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_to_Young_Men_on_Greek_Literature

[Anonymous No.17225603]

[Anonymous No.17225651]

>>17225072
VGH WHERE ARE THE REAL MEN OF EVROPA?

[Anonymous No.17225782]

>>17225100
Jesus was a very feminine guy, at least in the depictions.

[Anonymous No.17225803]

>>17225072
Step one to recovering masculinity is to stop using Twitter. I don't care that you think you're following MaScULInE tWaTtEr. Twitter is literally the lowest IQ social media website on the internet. Stop getting ideas from Twitter.

[Anonymous No.17225813]

>>17225803
>Twitter is literally the lowest IQ
Masculinity is feature of low IQ males so OP should keep using twitter?

[Anonymous No.17225823]

>>17225072
I really don't get why this is such a point of seethe. You can be the hypermasculine chad if that's what you want. No one is stopping you. If someone whats to be more feminine, what's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.17225824]

>>17225782
jesus was not feminine in reality

[Anonymous No.17225829]

>>17225580
They did it mainly to convert those pagan pigs.

>>17225782
Heresy.

[Anonymous No.17225832]

>>17225072
Not saying he is wrong, but bitching on twitter is very feminine as well

[Anonymous No.17225836]

>>17225208
what are you scared of dying?

[Anonymous No.17225845]

>>17225472
not true at all

[Anonymous No.17225874]

Pic related is Casanova. An old time adventurer, criminal, and get rich quick schemer who traveled through Europe and had sex with more woman than everyone ITT combined.

[Anonymous No.17225881]

>>17225836
>dude lung cancer is manly

[Anonymous No.17225935]

>>17225845

It is absolutely true. Criminals tend to have a 10 IQ points deficit in comparison to non-offenders, but specifically with violence, people with 120-129 IQ are 2.25 times less likely to commit violent offences as people with 70-79. In the 100 to 119 range the differences are less pronounced.

[Anonymous No.17225943]

>>17225935
The key word is offense, obviously wwii would not have been possible without bug brains

[Anonymous No.17225959]

>>17225836
I'm fine by dying in the heat of battle like a true warrior and being greeted by Valkyries in the great hall where Odin and all my brothers await me. Where the brave live forever, battle and feast until the day of the Ragnarok.

You don't go to Valhalla if you die of lung cancer, anon. It is that simple.

[Anonymous No.17225965]

>>17225823
Posturing, inferiority complex and generally just projection. There's a good chance the dude behind that tweet looks more like the one on the right.

[Anonymous No.17225996]

>>17225472
so intelligent men can't be aggressive?

[Anonymous No.17226006]

>>17225943

I would imagine that there is a huge difference between the propensity toward violence of individuals, which is a marker of low IQ, and the propensity for violence of societies through military institutions (which I'm not wise enough to diagnose, tbqh).

[Anonymous No.17226028]

>>17225072
Why of course im both these men, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.17226033]

>>17225996

As character traits, no, not really. However, a rational man would understand that circumstances might justify the use of violence on occasions.

[Anonymous No.17226085]

>>17225823
I want to live around beauty, not disgust.

[Anonymous No.17226098]

>>17226028
based and BwO-pilled

[Anonymous No.17226107]

>>17225072
Is Left truly the best counterexample he could find?

[Anonymous No.17226110]

>>17226085
The universe doesn't owe you nothing, much less the world and society.

[Anonymous No.17226119]

>>17225072
Ask your dad

[Anonymous No.17226133]

>>17226110
Which is why I must influence the universe by seething.

[Anonymous No.17226142]

Replying to the image:
We have replaced Don't Draper with the kid from the infamous elevator scene in which Don tells him "I don't think about you at all", after the kid says he feels bad for Don.
If you've seen the show, I don't think I need to explain it any further.

I can't think of any books which will help you become a man, only books which will make you a better man, if and when you become one.

[Anonymous No.17226155]

>>17225175
Schway

[Anonymous No.17226172]

Call of the fucking Crocodile.

[Anonymous No.17226180]

>>17225072
>I think one of the biggest reasons Islam is getting one up on the west is the decline on masculinity.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.17227482]

>>17226033
What does presenting in a masculine fashion have to do with aggression. There are more feminine men with antisocial attitudes galore, look at twitter.

[Anonymous No.17227516]

>>17225813
>Masculinity is feature of low IQ males
it's a feature of all males

[Anonymous No.17227538]

>>17225935
the small steal small and the big steal big petty criminality is easier to spot

[Anonymous No.17227735]

>>17225454
he got those ᵗᶦnʸ ᶠᵉᵉᵗ

[Anonymous No.17227770]

>>17225072
Random Twitter bullshit is all this board is left with, fuck me. Yes you white marbled pompous fag, your two stock photos are clearly representative of both the past and present. It's not even that I disagree too much in spirit, but dear Christ online reactionaries are fucking embarrassing

[Anonymous No.17227814]

>>17227482
>What does presenting in a masculine fashion have to do with aggression.

Honestly? Not much, I was replying solely to the claim that aggressiveness isn't a marker for low IQ, it very much is.

[Anonymous No.17227878]

>>17225072
>greek bust twitter account
All those guys are feds btw

[Anonymous No.17228105]

>>17225836
dying is fine, but dying a blatantly early death from a painful carcinogenic takeover because you didn't have enough self control to not smoke a pack a day (or more) is pretty lame

vices are nice and all but succumbing to them to the point where the destruction outweighs the fun is retarded. i smoke maybe 10 cigarettes a month

[Anonymous No.17228118]

>smoking=cool/masculine
Fucking embarrassing, you'd have to be a teenager to think this way. And I say this as a regular smoker of 10+ years. I wish I never started, and I suggest NOONE in this thread ever starts either.

It is not cool. It is a waste of money and health and I probably have a death wish.

[Anonymous No.17228131]

>>17225836
Smoking is awful for you. Granted, a lot of things are, but smoking fucks your lungs up really bad, you don't want that. It's not really about dying, more like avoiding unnecessary pain and health issues. You can smoke if you want but don't make it a habit, and if you're the type to get easily addicted just don't do it.

[Anonymous No.17228142]

>>17225072
god I hate that cunt. fucking whining that culture didnt stagnate during his favourite periods. what a pathetic cunt.

[Anonymous No.17228144]

>>17225072
masculinity never went anywhere, the expression of masculinity has changed.

>>17225072
what a stupid image

[Anonymous No.17228146]

>>17225112
>Is it a Roman conception of masculinity (being an ascetic, serious man who respects the traditions of your ancestors) is fairly different from the "American 1990's one (being a promiscuous man with large muscles who drinks a lot)
Both of these are good

[Anonymous No.17228152]

>>17228144
Who is the cute twink on the left?

[Anonymous No.17228160]

>>17228142
>>17228144
/lit/ posters showing that they're not the brainless trash found on most other boards.

[Anonymous No.17228194]

>>17225072
Does this person realize that the guy on the left is both alive and significantly more famous than whoever is on the right?

[Anonymous No.17228201]

>>17228144
GOD BLESS BASED SAMOAN GENES

[Anonymous No.17228207]

>>17225935

[Anonymous No.17228230]

>>17225959
based

[Anonymous No.17228271]

>>17228207

It's a distribution, there will always be outliers. And once again I think there's a difference between an elaborate scheme to bomb folks and outbursts of violence due to poor emotional control. IQ tracks the second accurately, the first one... probably not.

[Anonymous No.17228310]

>>17228271
Poor emotional control is often just increased susceptibility to apprehension, i.e. Also differing values, one man will say it is worth fighting for someone disrespecting you but you're a cuck to die for a flag, someone else with more IQ might say the reverse

[Anonymous No.17228318]

>>17228310
That is I mean greater emotional control is often just fear. People with higher IQ are often more anxious about offending or asserting control, let alone hitting someone

[Anonymous No.17228333]

>>17225782
yeah, why do they make such feminine depictions?
is it just to accent His lovingness? that's a non meme q from an admitted pseud.

[Anonymous No.17228339]

>>17228271
Also people with higher IQ are probably more likely to commit different types of crimes that don't involve violence (organised crime, white-collar crime)

[Anonymous No.17228351]

>>17228339
Yes in part because they're scared of confrontation

[Anonymous No.17228430]

Hmm I love discussing books on a literature forum. So much book discussion here

[Anonymous No.17228445]

We're one step closer into making pic related a reality.

[Anonymous No.17228613]

>>17228445
anon i think you're a bit behind the times

[Anonymous No.17228650]

>>17226028
based anon balancing his inner masculine and feminine.

[Anonymous No.17228666]

>>17225089
fpbp

[Anonymous No.17228705]

>>17225175
Based, truly and purely based. What did you read to gain this knowledge, I want to read it too.

[Anonymous No.17228735]

>>17225072

[Anonymous No.17228749]

>>17228613
I only saw a grand total of two passing (exceedingly so) traps in my life, both from Latin America.

[Anonymous No.17228786]

>>17225100
>The Bible, and nothing else. Steer away from Hellenistic poison.
Cope. The New Testament was written in (bad) GREEK. By this line of reasoning Christianity was doomed from the start.

[Anonymous No.17228851]

>>17228146
>promiscuous man with large muscles who drinks a lot
Cringe. Drinking interferes with your gains. You should also retain your semen for stronger lifts.

[Anonymous No.17228857]

>>17225836
>>17228105
>>17225959
This. Being proud about smoking and thinking it's 'cool' means you're sacrificing years of your life to line the pockets of cigarette executives.

[Anonymous No.17228872]

What happened to men

[Anonymous No.17228884]

>traditionalist
>20th century career slave
Lmao where do these retards get their definition of tradition from?

[Anonymous No.17228895]

WESTERN TRADITIONALIST
WHAT HAPPENED TO MEN?

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DURRRR

FUCK TEWITTER
FUCK TWITTER

ANYONE WHO GETS THEIR IDEAS FROM TWEETS IS A DULLARD

WHO CARES ABOUT AN OPINION THAT'S EXPRESSED WITH A MERE 200 CHARACTERS, FUCK OFFFFFF
FUCK FOFFFFF

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NO IDEA, THOUGHT, OR BELIEF OF ANY VALUE CAN BE EXPRESSED WITH <=200 CHARACTERS AND A CLICKBAIT IMAGE

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[Anonymous No.17228922]

>>17225072
Are you a homo who wants hot men to look at?

If you're not, then what do you care that masculinity is dead?
Less competition.

I wish for a world of trannies, homos and soibois. I wish to be the only man left.

That's what I wish.

[Anonymous No.17228937]

just me and me bitch sitting on da veranda
Just me and me bitch sittin on da veranda
just me and me bitch steeeloooo ceeelooooo
Just me and my dym bagz bitch

[Anonymous No.17228939]

>>17228922
>If you're not, then what do you care that masculinity is dead?
They're projecting their own lack of masculinity. Literally no one else cares this much.

[Anonymous No.17228947]

>>17228922
I want a strong man to pump me with his seed

[Anonymous No.17228948]

>>17225112
a stoic

[Anonymous No.17228973]

>>17225112
>what masculinity is first.
A certain level of testosterone in blood, that affects behaviour in a certain way.
Hormones are one of the biggest drives of human behaviour.

[Anonymous No.17229100]

Nothing happened, the one on the right just happens to be a Jew. I also doubt whoever is beyond that account is a paragon of masculinity.