/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17215055]

is it better to have perfect word choice or rhyme?

[Anonymous No.17215069]

>>17215055
the thing when the word is almost a rhyme, but not quite.

[Anonymous No.17215072]

>>17215055
How about actually having something to say?

[Anonymous No.17215075]

>>17215072
thats a given if youre writing, but this concerns how to say it

[Anonymous No.17215091]

>>17215055
its good to be articulate without being too wordy

[Anonymous No.17215099]

rhyme is worthless
it doesn't tell you anything
it doesn't make you feel anything

[Anonymous No.17215101]

>>17215055
word choice, otherwise you're little better than the niggers that rhyme stuff by mispronouncing it. Or they rhyme nigga with nigga.

[Anonymous No.17215102]

>>17215099
dubs dont lie

[Anonymous No.17215112]

Rhyme is a helpful mnemonic but seems distasteful if used too frequently. Word choice depends on how you'd like the thought conveyed and that seems dependent on context and intention. Some find rhyming beautiful but I prefer strategic alliteration.

[Anonymous No.17215170]

>>17215055
Poetry is gay as shit, but if you have to write it it should read like prose. The best poems have perfect meter and rhyming scheme but can be read sentence to sentence without sounding stilted, almost as if the structure was accidental.

[Anonymous No.17215179]

>>17215072
no one has that

[Anonymous No.17215210]

>>17215055
>rhyme
It's the 21st century, gramps. Poets don't care about rhyme anymore. At least the good one's don't. If I see an AA/BB structure in contemporary poetry I'm reading, it's either done somewhat ironically and with contempt, or I've stumbled onto reddit

[Anonymous No.17215218]

>>17215170
Based.

[Anonymous No.17215232]

>>17215072
>How about actually having something to say?
That has genuinely never stopped anyone

[Anonymous No.17215256]

>>17215055
Both.

[Anonymous No.17215307]

>>17215210
Which is why modern poetry is shit, lol. It's so much more satisfying to read a meticulously crafted and structured work than some free-form muh feelings shit

[Anonymous No.17215313]

>>17215307
>modern poetry is shit
So you don't like T.S Eliot?

[Anonymous No.17215318]

>>17215307
So true. Pic related from The Waste Land. Anons will really log on here and tell you this is good poesy, in a world where Shakespeare's sonnets exist. It's obscene.

[Anonymous No.17215330]

>>17215313
>modern: of, relating to, or characteristic of the present or the immediate past
Most people would just say modernist when referring to the art movement I think

[Anonymous No.17215348]

>>17215313
Yes

[Anonymous No.17215354]

>>17215313
>>17215318
I like Eliot, I wouldn't call his works unstructured even though obviously by then the forms was loosening up a little. A modernist poet I despise would be someone like William Carlos Williams

[Anonymous No.17215364]

>>17215318
>he got filtered by Eliot jug jugging

[Anonymous No.17215371]

>>17215364
Bravo, Eliot!

[Anonymous No.17215373]

>>17215354
Eliot wasn't entirely unstructured, but in his later work, at least, there was a sense of irony to the strict rhyme schemes he used for some sections

[Anonymous No.17215412]

>>17215307
Based and stanzaic structure pilled.

[Anonymous No.17215419]

>>17215373
You certainly could be right, and I can see how it might be used ironically depending on context. I'm reacting more to the trend of having the entire poem be free-floating images or impressions with seemingly random enjambment and little thought for structure. To me it's like distortion in music. Some people might enjoy the entire song being a brick wall of noise but I prefer when it's used for effect or dynamic change within a more structured piece

[Anonymous No.17215430]

>>17215371
>taking a section out of context where the narrator is singing and using it to bash Eliot

[Anonymous No.17215445]

>>17215430
Faulkner, writing prose, could afford the excuse of some shit lines under the banner of stream of conscious perspectivism.
Eliot, writing poetry (some claim), has no excuse for shit lines.

[Anonymous No.17215478]

>>17215055
>is it better to have something perfect or something not perfect
think through your questions before asking them

[Anonymous No.17215516]

>>17215445
But Eliot makes use of stream of consciousness in his poems, so that argument goes both ways

[Anonymous No.17215552]

>>17215072
I have nothing to say. I even wrote a 2 page essay on it earlier. In this essay about having nothing to say, I say
>Can I express that thought any simpler? I could just not say it. That would have the same affect. Not saying that I have nothing to say. It would be truer also. But then I wouldn’t get better. I have more time than anybody else does to get better.

[Anonymous No.17215553]

Perfect word choice.

[Anonymous No.17215664]

>>17215516
scrupulously editing a poem is inherently way easier than a novel. getting an entire stream of consciousness chapter to be consistently good is almost impossible. a poem is trivial here

[Anonymous No.17215726]

>>17215055
Contrast, a great poem is the balance of word choice, rhyme, alliteration, anadiplosis, assonance, parachesis, archaism, syllogism, paraprosdokian, onomatopoeia, aposiopesis, epanalepsis, hendiadys, anaphora, antimetabole, tertium comparationis antanaclasis, perissologia, meditation, epizeuxis (or palilogia), mesodiplosis, diaphora, epistrophe, diacope, merism, pericope, topos, truism, polyptoton, conduplicatio, tautology, chiasmus, ploce, Ad captandum, conceit, archaism, allusion, praeteritio, synesis, cacophony, idiom, innuendo, kenning, ipse dixit, parable, catachresis, climax, negation, proverb, aphesis, synonymia, sycnchysis, metanoia, hysteron proteron, euphemism, circumlocution, and word play.

If you are really serious, it should also be written in tautogram.

[Anonymous No.17215733]

>>17215726
>Contrast, a great poem is the balance of word choice, rhyme, alliteration, anadiplosis, assonance, parachesis, archaism, syllogism, paraprosdokian, onomatopoeia, aposiopesis, epanalepsis, hendiadys, anaphora, antimetabole, tertium comparationis antanaclasis, perissologia, meditation, epizeuxis (or palilogia), mesodiplosis, diaphora, epistrophe, diacope, merism, pericope, topos, truism, polyptoton, conduplicatio, tautology, chiasmus, ploce, Ad captandum, conceit, archaism, allusion, praeteritio, synesis, cacophony, idiom, innuendo, kenning, ipse dixit, parable, catachresis, climax, negation, proverb, aphesis, synonymia, sycnchysis, metanoia, hysteron proteron, euphemism, circumlocution, and word play.
cringe i just write words and remember to press enter every once in awhile

[Anonymous No.17215737]

>>17215099
brainlet

[Anonymous No.17215740]

>>17215733
Hi Rupi! Did not know you visited our small corner of the internet! Hows the poetry business going?

[Anonymous No.17215745]

>>17215364

Your children will be ashamed of your faggotry.

[Anonymous No.17215750]

The first thing I did was to be a part of the world and the other is a great way to get the best out of the way and I have to say that I am not a fan of the most important things to do in the future and the other is a great way to get the best out of the way and I have to say that I am not a fan of the most important things to do in the future and the other is a great way to get the best out of the way and I have to say that I am not a fan of the most important thing to do is to

[Anonymous No.17215751]

>>17215740
that's not rupi, that's ts eliot

[Anonymous No.17215754]

>>17215750
Good God almighty I'm so wordy.

Pathetic faggots

[Anonymous No.17215765]

>>17215751
or ee cummings

[Anonymous No.17215768]

>>17215055
Rhyming primary purpose is for memorization, to serve as an easy way to structure different syllabication schemes and to aid the process of finding a follow-up word in a stanza. Good word choice is the heart of poetry and critical writing, while rhyming is a tool for building off of good word choice.

[Anonymous No.17216658]

Rhyme it is.

i fly with three thousand turbo wings
over mountains full of colorful things

[Anonymous No.17216960]

>>17215055
if you can't do both, go either for prose or pop music.

[Anonymous No.17216993]

>>17215099
why tell, when you can sell

[Anonymous No.17217783]

>>17215751
There's an obvious purpose to the line breaks here though, unlike with Rupi

[Anonymous No.17218808]

>>17215069
A slant rhyme

[Anonymous No.17219826]

>>17215055
Nigger. Big works don't make your brain look bigger

[Anonymous No.17219865]

>>17219826
Maybe you are just dumb. Dumb people think simple words are awesome. Smart people think big words are awesome. You should check your mind. People are very smart today, very smart. But they dont believe in Jesus. And Jesus used simple words. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there is a connection. Maybe, all we need is a bible with big words. Then people will believe again.

[Anonymous No.17219897]

>>17215733
He lost me after alliteration

[Anonymous No.17219925]

Alliteration is cooler.

[Anonymous No.17219936]

>>17215099
You're telling me this doesn't make you feel anything?

Gimme gimme Chicken Tendies. Be they crispy, or from Wendy's. Spend my hard-earned Good Boy Points, on kid's meal, ballpit, burger joints. Mummy lifts me to the car, to find me tendies near and far. Enjoy my tasty tendie treats, in comfy big boy booster seats. Mcdonald's, Hardee's, Popeye's, Cane's, But of my tendies, none remains. She tries to make me take a nappy, but sleeping doesn't make me happy. Tendies are the only food, that puts me in the napping mood. I'll scream, I'll shout, I'll make a fuss. I'll scratch, I'll bite, I'll even cuss! Tendies are my heart's desire, fueled by raging, hungry fire! Mummy sobs and wails and cries, but tears aren't tendies, nuggs or fries. My Good Boy Points are fairly earned, to buy the tendies that I've yearned. But there's no tendies on my plate. Did Mummy think that I'd just ate? Tendies, Tendies, get them NOW! YOU FAT, UNGRATEFUL, SLUGGISH SOW I SCREECH WHILE HURLING INTO HER EYES, MY FOUL BOUL DIAPER SURPRISE, FOR SHE WHO IS POOPED ON IS SHE WHO REMEMBERS, NEVER FORGET MY CHICKEN TENDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17219946]

>>17215751
>"Do
>"You know nothing? Do you see nothing? Do you remember
>"Nothing?"

And people think Eliot wasn't a genius.

[Anonymous No.17220034]

>>17219946
This, but unironically. That section is gorgeous when you understand it

[Anonymous No.17220647]

>>17215072
>>17215099
literal retards

[Anonymous No.17221161]

>>17215726
This is all Greek to me, anon

[Anonymous No.17221382]

>>17215055
Either is fine as long as you commit to it, nothing worse than frankenstein verses.

[Anonymous No.17222436]

>>17215055
Both.

t. English translation of Tartuffe I read

[Anonymous No.17222680]

>>17220034

Explain it to me I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.17222807]

>>17222680
The narrator for that section is a woman who is slowly going mad. As it progresses, the language becomes further fragmented, depicting the state of her mind. The section opens with a depiction of a woman sitting in a throne, surrounded by lavishness, but it quickly becomes apparent that all the wealth she has has does nothing for her mood, as she sees even sleeping with her husband as a chore, and notes that colors are muted. A great sense of anxiety is also shown with her questioning even the sound of wind.

[Anonymous No.17223141]

>>17215055
I murder a rhyme,
one word at a time,
you never,
heard of a mind,
as perverted as mine