/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17207562]

>The Odyssey is like so dumb. Odysseus has sex with like a ton of girls but he's going to kill Penelope if she's not faithful? That's not very feminist, Ody. You got some learnin' to do.

>Now for today's thought bubble: a little tiny Lysistrata figurine. Oh Homer, we can't possibly hold you accountable for not being a feminist in ancient Greece, after all, it's not like feminism existed back then, oh wait, it totally did, you misogynist pig.

>Back to the Odyssey: is Penelope the true hero of the story? Yes. Yes she is. That's all we have time for today, be sure to like and subscribe and buy tickets to my new movie: The Da Vinci Code with Teenagers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4jk5kavy4&t=7m15s

[Anonymous No.17207598]

>>17207562
didn't the witch cave thing (I forgot her name) literally force odysseus to be her sex slave though?

[Anonymous No.17207632]

>>17207562
Odysseus got raped. Is Seth Green here arguing that because Odysseus started enjoying his rape on the prison island that it no longer counts? If you force a girl to bone and she orgasms it no longer counts?

[Anonymous No.17207636]

>>17207598
He's faithful in the Odyssey but not in the rest of mythology. And Agamemnon has Cassandra, Jason has Creon's daughter, Heracles has Iole, etc.

[Anonymous No.17207659]

>>17207636
He's not even faithful in the Odyssey actually, he beds Circe and she has Telegonus by him.

[Anonymous No.17207665]

>>17207632
well we all know John Green raped an underage girl with terminal cancer. He wrote a book about it.

[Anonymous No.17207672]

>>17207562
>using the word patriarchy unironically
yikes

[Anonymous No.17207699]

>>17207562
>There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1. There's .1 and .12 and .112 and an infinite collection of others. Of course, there is a bigger infinite set of numbers between 0 and 2, or between 0 and a million. Some infinities are bigger than other infinities. A writer we used to like taught us that. There are days, many of them, when I resent the size of my unbounded set. I want more numbers than I'm likely to get, and God, I want more numbers for Augustus Waters than he got. But, Gus, my love, I cannot tell you how thankful I am for our little infinity. I wouldn't trade it for the world. You gave me a forever within the numbered days, and I'm grateful

>What a slut time is. It screws everybody.

>He was staring at me, and I could see the corners of his eyes crinkling. "I'm in love with you, and I'm not in the business of denying myself the simple pleasure of saying true things. I'm in love with you, and I know that love is just a shout into the void, and that oblivion is inevitable, and that we're all doomed and that there will come a day when all our labor has been returned to dust, and I know the sun will swallow the only earth we'll ever have, and I am in love with you.

Some masterpieces by this genius

[Anonymous No.17207711]

>>17207672
Did he really use the word patriarchy unironically in the video?

[Anonymous No.17207718]

>>17207711
Yes he does. He addresses the patriarchy directly.
>"Dear patriarchy, why are you so terrible?"

[Anonymous No.17207719]

>thinking lysistrata is feminist
Aristochadnes filters plebs once more

[Anonymous No.17207727]

>>17207718
I haven't even seen it, but that sends cold shivers down my spine.

[Anonymous No.17207739]

>>17207562
>it's not like feminism existed back then, oh wait, it totally did, you misogynist pig
This is bullshit, right? I bet this guy loves Sappho

[Anonymous No.17207761]

>>17207699
>I love you and the earth is gonna get eaten by the sun and we’re all gonna die and I love u!!!!

[Anonymous No.17207763]

>>17207659
Telegonus isn't in the Odyssey (nor alluded at). Its not even clear what Odysseus did to Circe, but it is implied that it was sexual.

[Anonymous No.17207768]

>>17207739
I hate John Green as much as the next guy, but Sappho is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.17207771]

>>17207739
A lot of Euripides' plays can be interpreted as ""feminist"" although it would be anachronistic and he can just as easily be interpreted as proto-incel

[Anonymous No.17207774]

hahaha! go dilate, western canon!

[Anonymous No.17207776]

>>17207739
Nothing resembling modern feminism
There were some more independent minded women but you can count them with with your fingers
I guess Plato did believe that women were capable of almost everything that men were capable of

[Anonymous No.17207777]

>>17207768
yeah but fags overstating her importance is annoying. its like people shilling DFW on here

[Anonymous No.17207779]

>>17207763
They sleep in the same bed mate

[Anonymous No.17207786]

>>17207779
So did Achilles and Patroclus, right? x))

[Anonymous No.17207789]

>>17207771
Incidentally he's also known as the misogynist

[Anonymous No.17207801]

>>17207786
Sleeping in the same bed as a female stranger has only one meaning in a traditional society

[Anonymous No.17207806]

>>17207562
God I’m so sick of communism. Soviet communism or SJW communism, I hate having to sit around for decades waiting for the wrong way of doing things to finally become unsustainable and collapse.

[Anonymous No.17207810]

There was literally nothing wrong with what he said in that video. The double standard of men fucking lots of women = manly and woman fucking lots of men = slut is something that exists in the Odyssey, why shouldn't he point it out?

[Anonymous No.17207821]

>>17207810
Because it exists for a very good reason

[Anonymous No.17207826]

>>17207810
Because no one gives a shit about his opinion

[Anonymous No.17207828]

>>17207810
because it wasn't a double standard in ancient Greece and it has nothing to do with the message of the story. You might as well complain that Ody didn't take a knee when he sacrificed the cow in honor of black lives matter.

[Anonymous No.17207834]

>>17207699
The numbers between 0 and 1 and the entire real line have the same cardinality and are uncountably infinite.

[Anonymous No.17207850]

>>17207777
>fags overstating her importance is annoying

>Plato is alleged to have recognized the tenth Muse in Sappho, and composed a couplet in which he addresses Sappho as the “Tenth Muse” (Palatine Anthology 9.506).
>Famously, the great statesman Solon, a contemporary of Sappho and an ancestor of Plato, is said to have heard a boy singing one of her songs and to have asked him to teach it to him so that he might learn it and die.

[Anonymous No.17207859]

>>17207850
Stop posting this. Sappho is mentioned a whole of 5 times in 4000+ pages of Plato and Aristotle, that's less than some poets and playwrights that don't even have Wikipedia articles

[Anonymous No.17207903]

>>17207821
He made an irrefutable argument against it in the video.
A man having sex with lots of women requires lots of women to have sex with that man. So if promiscuity is a manly virtue and chastity is a womanly virtue, being manly requires making women fail at their womanly duty of chastity by having sex with them, and being womanly requires making men fail at their manly duty of promiscuity by refusing them sex. Thus it is built upon an internal strife between men and women and is self-contradictory and unsustainable.
>>17207828
>It wasn’t a double standard in Ancient Greece
This doesn’t make sense. It’s either a double standard or not, doesn’t matter if it’s in Ancient Greece, modern England, or prehistoric Mars.

[Anonymous No.17207905]

>>17207859
>that's less than some poets and playwrights that don't even have Wikipedia articles
kek

[Anonymous No.17207930]

>>17207828
this tbqh lol

[Anonymous No.17207944]

>>17207903
>This doesn’t make sense.
It makes perfect sense. Culture isn't black and white. Just because it's a double standard now doesn't mean it was a double standard back when women were literally regarded as property to be bought and sold.

[Anonymous No.17207948]

>>17207786
Did you never have any friends as a kid to go to sleepovers with? Is that why you’re such a massive faggot now?

[Anonymous No.17207956]

>>17207903
Is men going to war while women stay at home a double standard? Could it be a double standard under some historical conditions and not in other circumstances? Discuss

[Anonymous No.17207981]

>>17207944
>were literally regarded as property to be bought and sold.
This wasn't the case in Greece retard.
>>17207956
No, women are, in general, with some exceptions, not strong enough mentally or physically for war. Their duty is to stay at home and care for the youth and keep society functioning while the men are gone.

[Anonymous No.17207989]

>>17207981
>This wasn't the case in Greece retard.
did you even read the Iliad?

[pip No.17207992]

>>17207562
consider le' publisher

[Anonymous No.17208010]

>>17207981
>This wasn't the case in Greece
Yes it was. What do you think arranged marriages and dowries are?

Go ahead and close the thread and hide in shame.

[Anonymous No.17208033]

>>17208010
>arranged marriages and dowries are an exchange of goods and services
anachronistic garbage, the purpose of those arrangements wasn't to turn a profit by sacrificing your children but to secure a future for them and the family line. it's not like parents didn't arrange their sons marriages as well - back then practically noone owned themselves the way modern individuals do.

[Anonymous No.17208045]

>>17208033
it's not an anachronism you retard. It's front and center on wikipedia's page for marriage in ancient Greece.

[Anonymous No.17208051]

>>17208045
>source: wikipedia
ohnonono, etc.

[Anonymous No.17208057]

>>17207672
What would you call the autocephalous institutions of Eastern Christianity and their leaders?

[Anonymous No.17208063]

>>17208051
also try actually responding to my specific points instead of just doing the lazy, deliberately vague "oh yeah, that's not what I heard~" thing.

[Anonymous No.17208065]

>>17207562

Why is it so hard for people to accept that monogamy is in fact quite a misguided and illogical principle which has likely had vast and undeterminable consequences for humankind
Of course nobody would've scoffed at Odysseus back then because it was perfectly normal not in spite of the fact he was a heroic figure but because of it
And yes it is also because we have literally always lived in a patriarchal society and always will at least if all of human history is any indication I have nothing against women but if they wanted to live in a matriarchal society well they've had several hundreds of thousands of years to try this is just the reality of our world

[Anonymous No.17208066]

>>17208045
>>17208051
You're both retards.

[Anonymous No.17208088]

>>17208065
Define matriarchal and patriarchal

[Anonymous No.17208096]

>>17208065
every civilization that has practiced monogamy has flourished. Modern western civilization has dabbled with non-monogamous relationships and in less than half a century it's begun to collapse.

[Anonymous No.17208100]

>>17208096
Middle Eastern civilisations still practice polygamy and flourish.

[Anonymous No.17208103]

>>17208100
yeah, they're flourishing so hard they're literally drowning to get into Europe.

[Anonymous No.17208109]

>>17207810
It's not a double standard, an accurate reflection of the vastly different consequences of promiscuous behavior between the sexes. Spitting on the ground is bad, but spitting in somebodies mouth is much worse. We would punish and shame the one much more severely than the other.

[Anonymous No.17208121]

>>17208103
You just refuted yourself.

[Anonymous No.17208133]

This dumb nigga who doesn't understand how dowries worked in Greece needs to read Aristotle's critique of the Spartan Constitution. Dowries were a huge mechanism for transferral of land and wealth before common banking became standard.

[Anonymous No.17208135]

>>17208121
do flourishing civilizations regularly seek refugee status?

[Anonymous No.17208152]

>>17208096

In a short term perhaps but this also doesn't mean there's a causal link either
All great civilizations have flourished and all great civilizations have eventually fallen too
Something like monogamy is such a large complex pattern of behavior in a sea of large complex factors you can't just assume that civilizations have flourished because of it when it may very well be in spite of it

[Anonymous No.17208190]

>>17207850
yah, thats the trick right, as long as you can artificialy make the selection seem bigger than it actually is you get to manipulate how much representation their is as per how you want to make your story. Thats selection bias.

[Anonymous No.17208191]

>>17208057
The Spartan constitution was incredibly even-handed in supplying power to both men and women.
Men had full control over the military and all rights to the spoils of war, but wives were first in line for inheritance from their husbands, which resulted in a wealthy elite of women balancing out the military elite of men. It's why their constitution lasted like 400 years.

[Anonymous No.17208215]

>>17207834
Real line is a countable infinity, making it much smaller than the numbers between 0 and 1

[Anonymous No.17208220]

>>17208103
Yes because the region has been torn by war since the U.S destabilised the Middle East?
Anyway, I'm talking about countries which are not war-torn. Saudi Arabia. United Arab Emirates. Turkey. All of these countries are doing very well despite being polygamous.

[Anonymous No.17208230]

>>17208100
>Middle Eastern civilisations still practice polygamy and flourished
Most non uber wealthies dont have many wives, and monogamy was the usual.
>>17208152
agreed, it is a complex thing, but most civilizations tend to naturally develop monogamy as the visible standard of relationships. with other relationships existing, but being considered extranormal rather than the status quo. Even in things like the ottoman emperors harem, there usually was a high concubine that acted as the wife. Extra monogomus interaction were not uncommon, and cheating has always been a rather common thing, but it is usually cheating in the bounds of a primary social pairing of 2 members.

[Anonymous No.17208262]

>>17207810
A key that opens many locks is a terrific key. A lock that is opened by many keys is a horrible lock.

[Anonymous No.17208265]

>>17208262
A man having sex with lots of women requires lots of women to have sex with that man. So if promiscuity is a manly virtue and chastity is a womanly virtue, being manly requires making women fail at their womanly duty of chastity by having sex with them, and being womanly requires making men fail at their manly duty of promiscuity by refusing them sex. Thus it is built upon an internal strife between men and women and is self-contradictory and unsustainable.

[Anonymous No.17208309]

>>17208265
This is a false premise based on unfounded assumptions. Women were property, a virgin women is empirically superior, etc. Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.17208316]

[Anonymous No.17208322]

>>17208220
the middle east has been destabilized since before Muhammad was fucking his child brides. Or are you going to pretend that they really had their shit together before the industrial revolution?
>All these countries are doing very well
Not for long. The petro-dollar is on the way out. We'll be lucky if the recession happening right now doesn't kill it completely. A few years ago a barrel of oil cost over $1,000, today you can buy 25 barrels for that price. Lets see how long the Burj Kalifah lasts when there's no longer oil barons to pay for its upkeep. They'll go from riding lambos to camels in under 100 years for sure.

[Anonymous No.17208334]

>>17208309
>false premise based on unfounded assumptions
What unfounded assumptions? It's basic maths. If I have sex with 100 women, 100 women must have had sex with me. That means I have caused 100 women to fail at their womanly duties of chastity by pursuing my manly duty of promiscuity. And if those same 100 women refuse me, they have acted out their womanly duty of chastity, but in the meantime they have caused me to fail at my manly duty of promiscuity.
This principle is clearly self-contradictory and relies on sabotaging each sex the other sex.

[Anonymous No.17208341]

>>17208322
>They'll go from riding lambos to camels in under 100 years for sure.
doesn't one of the oil barons have a quote like this. "My grandfather rode a camel, I drive a Ferrari, my grandson shall ride a camel" or something like that

[Anonymous No.17208380]

>>17207903
>Thus it is built upon an internal strife between men and women and is self-contradictory and unsustainable.
Nobody said any aspect of society needed to be sustainable or logically consistent.

[Anonymous No.17208381]

>>17208322
Syria for example used to be one of the world's largest tourist destinations before the war. People weren't fleeing to Europe in those times.

[Anonymous No.17208415]

>>17208322
Yeah Saudi Arabia and UAE are largely reliant on oil but who is to say they can't flourish without it? Plus the Turkish economy doesn't rely on oil; they are actually a net importer of it.

[Anonymous No.17208418]

>>17208334
Pretty much every single thing in your post is an unfunded assumption. A single man having sex with 100 women won't make them unchaste, a woman having sex with her husband doesn't make her unchaste, a man can impregnate many women (a terrific key that opens many locks), a woman cannot bear children from multiple men at the same time and doing so at different times leads to uncertainty about who the father is (a horrible lock that is opened by many keys), etc. Your false premise and the unfounded assumptions that you extracted from it rely on the biological sexuality of men and women being the same when they're not.

[Anonymous No.17208424]

>>17208316
>retards don't understand that correlation isn't equal to causation for the 99999th time

[Anonymous No.17208454]

>>17207806
You're in luck because the 3 of them are irrelevant and we'll have capitalism forever.

[Anonymous No.17208455]

>>17208418
>A single man having sex with 100 women won't make them unchaste
You literally said that female virginity is a virtue and that female virgins are superior to non-virgins... ergo, if a woman has sex with a man to whom she is not married, she has lessened her value. If you believe this, then my argument works.

[Anonymous No.17208488]

>>17208455
Yes, and? Another one of your unfounded assumptions is that those 100 women are not the wives of the single man. Monogamy isn't the only arrangement of sexual relations in the world.

[Anonymous No.17208531]

>>17208424
A slutty women who has had multiple sex partners throughout her life is far more likely to have STDs than a women who kept her legs closed till she got married. It's a directly linked cause. Parroting that it's only a correlation won't make it so.

[Anonymous No.17208540]

>>17208531
*Woman

[Anonymous No.17208544]

>>17208488
Nobody in history has had 100 wives except rulers and very important people. You're retarded and you haven't answered my simple argument, all you've done is scream "unfounded assumptions" without explaining how.

[Anonymous No.17208562]

>>17208544
don't be a slut, dear. It's very unbecoming.

[Anonymous No.17208587]

>>17208544
>Nobody in history has had 100 wives except rulers and very important people.

And with that I'm done replying to you. So long my dear, you waste of sperm.

[Anonymous No.17208618]

>>17208544
>>17208587
You two are both retarded

[Anonymous No.17209054]

>>17208262
I remember thinking this was funny when I was a teenager

[Anonymous No.17209070]

>>17208309
This chart doesn't make any sense. 80% of women over age 30 have had 0 non-marital sexual partners. 50% have had 1. That's more than 100%. What the fuck is this chart.

[Anonymous No.17209120]

>>17207562
he is married to a jewess

[Anonymous No.17209143]

Women and men are different

[Anonymous No.17209200]

>>17207903
yes I think the anon is saying it's ahistorical to amke a moral judgment about the double standard that existed. It's like the christcucks who try to apply aristotelian natural law to the contemporary world.

[Anonymous No.17209289]

>>17207562
>Open letter to the patriarchy

[Anonymous No.17209390]

>>17207699
Zero doesn't exist as you cannot measure an absence of something and neither can you a negative as you cannot measure less than something, this also goes for infinity as you cannot measure something that is endless, the only valid numbers are 1-9.

[Anonymous No.17209406]

>>17209390
>you cannot measure an absence of something
yes you can lol

[Anonymous No.17209421]

>>17207699
Its for kids you fag

[Anonymous No.17209440]

>>17209390
>you can not measure the absence of something
Then how can I tell you've ZERO idea what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.17209442]

>>17209421
Rudyard Kipling, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Roald Dahl also wrote books for kids so "It's for kids" is not an excuse to write bad literature.

[Wojakposter No.17209550]

>>17208424
You can't just use that sentence every time you encounter facts that prove you wrong

[Anonymous No.17209905]

>>17207903
>implying mate guarding isn’t an instinctive behavior that would inevitably be much more intensely selected for in men than women due to the nature of how the male and female reproductive system differ.
A woman who does not signal trustworthiness or good sexual hygiene is automatic Darwinian extinction for any k selected man planning on dedicating his life to whatever spawn comes out of her womb. Women will rarely if ever be in the position where their husband getting some other woman pregnant is going to threaten her Darwinian survival. She’s always going to know the kid who comes out of her is hers. No matter what. The reason why men aren’t demonized for promiscuity is that women don’t care. If women were averse to marrying nonvirgin men (for whatever imaginable reason) then our culture would reflect that. Darwinian survival is much harder if you’re a man, which explains why mate guarding is a common instinctive behavior among them.

[Anonymous No.17210430]

>>17209905
That's a good explanation of the evolutionary biology, and it's true, but women do care. After the man commits to them, him continuing to be promiscuous means his resources (including time and emotions) can be redirected from her and her children to the other woman.
This argument >>17207903 does make sense. Women can't be chaste unless men are continent.
The glorification of male promiscuity may be instinctive, but unless all that sex is resulting in pregnancy, then it's an instinct that's being exploited, and it reflects a lack of self-control more so than evolutionary fitness.

[Anonymous No.17210531]

>>17210430
I've yet to see how Homer glorifies male promiscuity
Ulysses goes to Penelope, his wife, when he could have stayed with Calypso who would have given him anything he desired
It takes incredible mental gymnastics to spin this as some sort of glorification of male promiscuity
Even though pre-christian Greeks and Romans put less emphasis on male chastity than on female chastity, the concept of piety and respect towards one's family and wife was very much a thing
Furthermore, Homer's heroes are not good people by the perception of the Greeks of the time and of classical times (it's unfair to conflate archaic and classical Greek perceptions though they do meet here)
Most sources are very critical of Ulysses in general, there's probably more people bashing him than praising him in the surviving sources
Just because a Homeric hero does something, especially someone like Ulysses, societal approval does not follow implicitly
In the first pages of the illiad, Achilles cries to mommy, do you think this was considered virtuous in any period of ancient Greece?
No, of course not, Plato wanted to cut it out early on in the Republic specifically because it was humiliating to Achilles

[Anonymous No.17210560]

>>17209905
>>17210430
They care from the perspective of "he will distribute his wealth with his offspring with other females". Therefore there is competition in that regard, biologically speaking.
That being said, morally I absolutely agree with >>17207903 as sexually promiscuous men corrupt women, disabling them from becoming good wives and mother in the future, thus harming the institution of the family in the process.
This is why all extramarital sex is degenerate, for both women and men. If you have extramarital sex, you are directly contributing to further the moral and spiritual degradation of your own community and society at large.

[Anonymous No.17210581]

>>17210531
I wasn't referring to The Odyssey, just in general. Sorry for making you write all that, but it's interesting anyways, so thanks.

[Anonymous No.17210598]

>>17210531
>Even though pre-christian Greeks and Romans put less emphasis on male chastity than on female chastity, the concept of piety and respect towards one's family and wife was very much a thing
This. Not just respect for one's family but to the woman's family too. To deflower a woman through fornication was an absolute disgrace to her family. Her father and brothers would kill you.

[Anonymous No.17210725]

>>17207774
no point getting angry this ideology will fall

[Anonymous No.17210818]

>>17210725
this. we win in the end

[Anonymous No.17211373]

>>17209905
This post makes my brain the big brain

[Anonymous No.17211775]

>>17207562
Has anybody listened to the podcast, Let's Talk About Myths, Baby. It's exactly like this greentext.

[Anonymous No.17212119]

>>17210725
I hope it would fail faster.

[Anonymous No.17212266]

>>17209905
I can't believe channers who shitpost everyday are more scientifically literate than mainstream education by the left in US.
If Europe becomes like this I will unironically promote school shootings here

[Anonymous No.17212268]

>>17208215
You’re probably thinking of the set of integers.
The set of real numbers is an uncountable infinite set, this is widely known and it is typically used as an example of an uncountable infinite set. Check out Cantor’s diagonal argument for a proof.

[Anonymous No.17212310]

>>17207562
>guy writes YA fiction
>has YA fiction opinions
Why do you insist on repeatedly posting this?

[Anonymous No.17212351]

>>17207903
In the Odyssey he literally didn't so no.

But no it's not. Men and women are not considered the same, not bound by the same rules and domains, in Greek culture or even ours today (as you'll know immediately if you ever interact with women, despite the constant lies to the contrary). Is it a double standard that women don't have to be warriors? Why are you talking about that? Indeed, there's a lot more expectations heaped on men than women in almost every case.

[Anonymous No.17212366]

>>17209905
Based

[Anonymous No.17212378]

>>17209905
I'd also add that a sexually reluctant or inexperienced man is a redflag for women because it implies unmanliness which is unattractive (brutally so) because it implies incompetence in providing resources/power. Most Western women find virgin men creepy.

[Anonymous No.17212401]

>>17207562
Jonh Green is the quintessential beta male, a pseudo intellectual that puts on a mask of philanthropy (Specially towards teenage women) as a sexual mating strategy.
All of his opinions are nothing else but the mimicry predatory tactics of someone attempting to appear harmless, innocent and castrated.

I promise you on my life. This is the type of person to offer himself to look over someone else's teenage sons and daughters, then rape one when they are passed out drunk.
Men like this should be publicly executed, and I am neither being a schizo nor dramatic. I speak from real world experience as a pedophile hunter.

[Anonymous No.17212402]

>>17209905
Lol, this argument literally doesn't make sense within your own framework. A K strategist (which women have to be) will succeed by dedicating as many resources as possible to their offspring, and obviously will not want her mate splitting resources with competing offspring.

[Anonymous No.17212405]

Y'all love to hate on Reddit but it's actually a quite legit and awesome place for folks like us who want to know what's *really* going on, not just what *they say* is going on. Maybe if y'all would stop being so prejudiced against, oh I don't know, damn near everything you'd find out that the folks at Reddit are just as awake as we are here. Doesn't matter if we like to eat and drink onions. Doesn't matter if we hold different opinions. Doesn't matter if we're into the new Star Wars and not the old ones. Doesn't matter if we think most news isn't fake. Doesn't matter if we get super excited over stuff and act like kids sometimes because that's all normal and I bet you do it too. Anyways, alls I'm saying is give it a try. You might be surprised that a little onions is good for you and actually tastes good.

[Anonymous No.17212414]

>>17212405
Off yourself, Tranny
The 50% is calling

[Anonymous No.17212467]

You used the word like within the first two sentences. Your opinion is probably similar to that of a pseud Marxist intellectual who hasn’t even read the manifesto but thinks is an intellectual. Your opinion is pompous just like the many books you’ve read because you’re a faggot

[Anonymous No.17212469]

>>17207562

Men and women have very different rate limits due to the time and costliness of gestation. But this is obvious

[I hate women No.17213088]

>>17207810
Locked

[Anonymous No.17213109]

>>17208152
spare males cause unrest

[Anonymous No.17214342]

>>17209421
So for you? LMAO

[Anonymous No.17214633]

>>17212405
when did this become a copypasta

[Anonymous No.17215084]

>>17212401
This

[Anonymous No.17215158]

>>17212402
Not in an environment where resources are plentiful enough for the single mother to have a high chance of survival on her own (like sub Saharan Africa or the modern welfare state), then her incentive to monopolize one man is almost nonexistent. Women probably did care more in an environment where harsh winters or whatever meant latching onto a stable guy was key to their child’s survival. But those days are long since past in the west and never existed in sub Saharan Africa, thus its no longer selected for in women.

[Anonymous No.17215163]

>>17207562
God why is this man so dumb

[Anonymous No.17215171]

>>17215158
But that's completely retarded
The phenomenon of single motherhood is exclusively western
Does natural selection not apply in East Asia?

[Anonymous No.17215181]

>>17207562
John Green’s caught in an eternal 2009.

[Anonymous No.17215183]

>>17215158
Single motherhood is also most widely spread amongst burgerian niggers
Who don't live in a welfare state but mostly in really dangerous places where the protection of a strong armed male is essential for survival and prosperity

[Anonymous No.17215189]

>>17207786
Not in the Iliad, it says they slept on opposite sides of their tent

[Anonymous No.17215194]

>>17207834
Thank you that triggered me as well hah

[Anonymous No.17215196]

>>17207810
Having two different standards for two different things is not a "double standard".

[I hate women No.17215230]

>>17208618
I hate women

[Anonymous No.17215591]

>>17215183
>American blacks aren’t all raised by single mothers paid for by welfare
I don’t even know how to respond to this. What country are you from that you’re under the impression 85 percent of American blacks aren’t raised by single mothers?

[Anonymous No.17215603]

>>17215183
Sorry I worded my last reply the wrong way. I’m asking how you admit they have a high rate of single motherhood and yet say a strong male is necessary for their survival? They are surviving without male father figures. The r selected breeding strategy mixed with welfare is working for them.

[Anonymous No.17215623]

I liked him when I was 14 but he really is just a hack.

[Anonymous No.17215629]

>>17207665
In that book John Green was the little girl who should have died rather than the chad with the actual humanizing character traits.

[Anonymous No.17215660]

>>17215623
This. It’s kind of frightening and sad to encounter him again, like he’s this dwarfed, misshapen figure that is perpetually catering to the perceptions of middle class American teenage girls, like he will never leave that world and his career will never advance beyond that. Disturbing stuff.

[Anonymous No.17215718]

>>17208100
Most middle eastern countries practice monogamy
Only the Rich use polygamy.

[Anonymous No.17215748]

>>17215718
What’s funny is that polygamy is actually illegal in Turkey, which happens to be the only Muslim country that’s reasonably functional by western standards. It’s illegal throughout Central Asia as well. I think Kurds practice it though and they’re a minority group in Turkey. It disincentivizes the majority of men from giving a shit about society as they won’t have offspring who will inherit a place in it.

[Anonymous No.17215958]

>>17207727
Klick the link it starts at the correct spot, he uses the word like 10 times in 2 minutes

[Anonymous No.17216001]

>>17207562
This the guy who wants to start a black ethnostate in Antarctica and call it Infraborea?

[Anonymous No.17216013]

>>17209390
>you cannot measure an absence of something
So when I show you a room with no apples, and ask you to tell me how many apples you see in the room, do you blow up like a supercomputer in a midnight science fiction feature when presented with a paradox?
Should I even ask you to cut the single birthday cake for my son in three pieces?

[Anonymous No.17216119]

>>17208045
>wikipedia
He didn't just write that, did he?

[Anonymous No.17216125]

>>17213109
/discussion

[Anonymous No.17216126]

[Anonymous No.17216172]

>>17209905
thanks Mr. Dutton, but I think you forgot to mention the autism

[Anonymous No.17216259]

>>17207903
that's what gives pussy it's value nigga

[Anonymous No.17217018]

>>17207903
Women are always going to deny sex to low status males. It’s the “don’t be the used up gang banged prostitutes of every high status no commitment guy in town” they seem incapable of dutifully actualizing. Chad dangles the carrot of a long term relationship and they fall for it every time, inevitably dying childless once they hit the wall and all the Chad’s move on to greener pastures closer to the age of consent.

[Anonymous No.17217099]

>>17207562
Wtf is this. He barely touches upon main plot points, undercuts everything with a really shitty joke or punchline, provides no context or analysis.

What the literal fuck is this?