Columbine

[Anonymous No.17199240]

Is it worth my time as far as figuring out what was going on inside their heads?

Or is it just another waste-of-ink tribute to the victims?

[Anonymous No.17199385]

bump

[Anonymous No.17199403]

>>17199240
if you want to know what was going on inside their heads just imagine you're a 28 years old KHHV. I don't have to imagine that so I have no use for this book

[Anonymous No.17199419]

>>17199240
haven't read this but apparently it's not accurate. "No Easy Answers" is the better choice.

[Anonymous No.17199516]

>>17199240
>the pacing of an action movie
That's one of the most inappropriate blurbs I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.17199525]

>>17199419
I get that Cullen is a stranger to see how things were from the inside, but don't you think Brooks was way closer to take his anecdotes for granted?

[Anonymous No.17199566]

>>17199240
>Is it worth my time as far as figuring out what was going on inside their heads? Or is it just another waste-of-ink tribute to the victims?

[Anonymous No.17199568]

>>17199516
yep, that's the NY Times for you

[Anonymous No.17199583]

>>17199566
thanks for the bump fren

[Anonymous No.17199600]

>>17199583

[Anonymous No.17199616]

>>17199240
Spend enough time reading about criminal couples and you'll recognize the Harris/Klebold combo, which is at this point stereotyped.
You get one depressive abulioid and one sociopathic maniac (literally mania including delusions of grandeur, goal-driven activity, decreased need for sleep, loss of touch with reality)
The depressive uses the maniac to get direction and self esteem, their attachment enables the maniac, their bizarre feedback loop pushes the ideas of the maniac far beyond what he would do in isolation. Sociopathically, he does deeply cruel type activities. This is Bonnie and Clyde as well as Charles Starkweather and Carole Anne Fugate.

Optimistically, we only remember the names of the murderers. This is also the dynamic of a lot of couples who go on several month long coke or meth binges and end up overdosing without actually harming anyone else, most people don't have actual malice towards other people even if they have pathological personalities.

[Anonymous No.17199657]

>>17199419
I enjoyed OP's book and the only people who I've seen criticize it are people obsessed with school shooters and who have mythologized the Eric and Dylan.

[Anonymous No.17199706]

>>17199516

[Anonymous No.17199729]

Didnt hear about any school shootings last year

[Anonymous No.17199733]

>>17199240
I think this guy was so obsessed with "demythologizing Columbine" - either for earnest or cynical reasons - that he ignored extensive documentary evidence against his thesis that the shooters were "not bullied".

[Anonymous No.17199734]

>>17199403
Wrong, one of them literally had a GF, pea-brain take.
>>17199240
Read their diaries

[Anonymous No.17199750]

two sociopathic nerds shoot up the place that makes them feel miserable. deep stuff. cant wait to dive into this fascinating psychologies.

[Anonymous No.17199756]

>>17199240

>>17199616
this.
Columbine is only special in the sense that it was one of the first, and most publicized.

Totes to them actually offing themselves, though. Most puss out.

[Anonymous No.17199761]

>>17199403
they were teens tho

[Anonymous No.17199769]

>>17199756
Better not to have a reason to off themselves.
Parents and teachers should have been paying closer attention.

[Anonymous No.17199821]

>>17199769
>Parents and teachers should have been paying closer attention.
Klebold wrote an essay for an english class detailing a shooting spree or something. Normal kids don't typically do that.

[Anonymous No.17199829]

>>17199769
school is a nightmare hell-prison designed specifically to break children

[Anonymous No.17199838]

>>17199821
Meeeh... I mean, yeah, at some point, but at that age everyone is an edgy little fucker.

[Anonymous No.17199839]

>>17199829
I distinctly remember feeling so, all through school. Do some people just forget what they went through?

[Anonymous No.17199857]

>>17199839
>Do some people just forget what they went through?
I've asked this question a lot, and the answer is, apparently yes. Which was very disheartening to learn, but did explain almost everything.

[Anonymous No.17199879]

>>17199829
Kikish perspective.
This is my personal opinion, unrelated to the content of the rest of this thread: the reason this idea feels intuitive to you is because you and your generation have been designed by hyper-individualistic identity politics and ultraconsumerist online advertising to destroy through mass devaluation any idea of common good or shared culture that may still exist in the west. We're going to have to literally re-invent our institutions after you guys are done with them, it's going to be a clusterfuck and couldn't be worse timed.
>>17199821
The teachers need to have an actual understanding of kids and the personalities of their students. If you recall after columbine, kids were banned from making "finger gun" type gestures, and any essay regarding firearm or violent conflict from a boy would result in an investigation. Of course we know that young boys playacting at being soldiers and having an interest in fighting is normal and healthy, while a teen clearly harboring a violent power fantasy and the personality to act on it is not. A bunch of teachers either ignored this instinct, due to apathy or overreliance on concrete tools which neglect human relationships, or were not able to respond to it due to administrative burden.

[Anonymous No.17199889]

>>17199657
I can tell you don't read true crimes that much.

[Anonymous No.17199894]

>>17199734
>Wrong, one of them literally had a GF

I suppose school shooters used to be chads. None of that KHV shit.

[Anonymous No.17199910]

>>17199879
>the reason this idea feels intuitive to you is because you and your generation have been designed by hyper-individualistic identity politics and ultraconsumerist online advertising to destroy through mass devaluation any idea of common good or shared culture that may still exist in the west.
No it's because schools function as prisons designed to break children for the factory.

[Anonymous No.17199916]

>>17199240
Klebold was a jew, do what you will with this information

[Anonymous No.17199928]

>>17199910
I know you're already hardwired and nobody's going to convince you of anything, like some kind of autistic manchurian candidate.

[Anonymous No.17199931]

>>17199916
Interesting. I think I'll extend it into a vast antisemitic theory of racial conflict.

[Anonymous No.17199945]

>>17199928
No indications thus far that you know other people as well as you think.

[Anonymous No.17199947]

>>17199879
Have you gone through public school in America as a student and if so how long ago?

[Anonymous No.17199958]

>>17199879
>A bunch of teachers either ignored this instinct, due to apathy or overreliance on concrete tools which neglect human relationships, or were not able to respond to it due to administrative burden.
Wasn't the general attitude of late-90's suburbia that personal issues on the student's part would be worked out at home?

[Anonymous No.17199977]

>>17199879
>the reason this idea feels intuitive to you is because you and your generation have been designed by hyper-individualistic identity politics and ultraconsumerist online advertising to destroy through mass devaluation any idea of common good or shared culture that may still exist in the west.
You're a memeing tradcuck idiot. When I was in first grade I was so afraid of my teacher I pissed my pants instead of asking to go to the bathroom. Oh yeah, and for the first fifteen years of my life, I had to ask if I could take a piss. You can't talk, eat, drink without permission, outside of designated times. Dissenting opinions or ideas can be punished, completely arbitrarily. There's so much more shit I could go into, you'd shit yourself. Nobody gives a shit about kids in school. Everyone that has gone through the school system will tell you about that one (maybe two) teacher they liked. School is universally remembered as a shithole for very good reason.

[Anonymous No.17199978]

>>17199958
Naa it was to be blamed on Marylin Manson

[Anonymous No.17199985]

>>17199958
No doubt, but humans tend to have a good instinct for spotting people who pose a genuine danger. Ignoring that instinct is fatal, but perverse incentives promote the activity.
>>17199947
Public school class of '13

[Anonymous No.17199992]

>>17199616
good, i wish i had a manaic sociopath gf to give me direction in life...

[Anonymous No.17199993]

>>17199992
yeah, and I she's a looker, too

[Anonymous No.17200000]

>>17199977
This, in high school I could count the number of genuinely helpful, intelligent teachers I had on one hand. Most are either idiots who have no idea what they're teaching or are completely apathetic and just want a safe stable job.

[Anonymous No.17200023]

>>17199928
what does it feel like to be a bootlicker?

[Anonymous No.17200030]

You have to micro manage fucking thousands of students at a time, being super aware of some two spergs that might shoot up the joint before this became a paranoia just not something that teachers were worried about I would guess. The logistics and likely costs of some super personalized public school just isn't feasible for most states

[Anonymous No.17200034]

>>17199985
What area of the country? Suburban New England, middle of nowhere Midwest, inner city Atlanta, etc? Id like to know where you were that public school wasn't just an oversized daycare service with the structure of a prison.

[Anonymous No.17200039]

>>17200000
>Completely apathetic and just want a safe stable job
So, totally normal people. You should have been encouraged to learn how to work with completely apathetic people who simply want a safe stable job because that's the majority of people you'll work with for your entire life, and likely become as an adult. Your idea of your own uniqueness is a big part of your problem, and forecasts the magnitude of isolation coming down the pipe. Like the rest of your peers.

[Anonymous No.17200055]

>>17200034
You've gotta learn how to engage with impersonal institutions bro. You're screaming for personalization and it's sad. I wonder how many of those teachers would have been perfectly pleasant if you'd figured out how to be less annoyingly precocious/arrogant. That type of kid gets bullied. Most of us learn how to keep our heads down.
Blue collar urban neighborhood, west coast USA.
>>17200023
You tell me lmao

[Anonymous No.17200057]

>>17200039
Teachers are far more stupid, apathetic, comfortable, and authoritarian than almost everyone I've worked with and for as an adult. As a class they are among the dregs of the species, and it's no surprise that mostly the profession serves as a sinecure for women who would be unfit for real work but desire income anyway. I mean it's the genesis of the word schoolmarm, a universally understood derogatory term.

[Anonymous No.17200067]

>>17200039
yeah, kids have a terrible time in school because they haven't learned to navigate the adult workplace.
real glowing-brain hot-take there, sport

[Anonymous No.17200084]

Thinking about it more, schools are so foul that they ruin everyone who goes through them. Not just the kids who, to a one, are traumatized and broken of their spirit, but also the teachers, who, because of their position of authority and frequent interactions with people whose brains arent fully developed, become spoiled rotten drunk on power and begin to treat everyone in society as if they were children under tutelage—a superiority complex that comes with a pension and summers off. Abolish the system entirely

[Anonymous No.17200092]

>>17200039
A student and a teacher shouldn't be working on equal terms. If a student can't learn anything of use from a teacher then the entire relationship is moot. You're sitting here trying to work in some weir critique that just doesn't work. If I pay someone to teach me and I learn nothing of value then I've been gyped.

[Anonymous No.17200095]

If Dylan and the other guy had only shot teachers they might be something like heroes.

[Anonymous No.17200096]

>>17200000
WinRar!!!

[Anonymous No.17200098]

>>17200057
>>17200067
I'm not even trying to convince you, but you're really telling on yourself with your bizarre algorithmic thinking, easy grandiose anger, and concurrent tragic alienation.

[Anonymous No.17200112]

So the muh school is evil people in here do you plan to homeschool your kids?

[Anonymous No.17200113]

>>17200098
Indeed, you're not convincing at all, and trying to form coherent arguments might help get you there. All the adjective loading isnt quite cutting it.

[Anonymous No.17200121]

>>17200095
based

[Anonymous No.17200122]

>>17200098

[Anonymous No.17200141]

>>17200113
>>17200122
kek stay mad, not like you have any other option

[Anonymous No.17200162]

>>17200141
I enjoy dismantling your posts. And I've also noticed how you just downshifted to lowercase irony after using proper grammar before, clear signal that you're losing it. No one believes you're "keking."

[Anonymous No.17200164]

>>17200055
I didn't get bullied. I'm moderately attractive, did sports every season, took all advanced or AP classes. Public school is a failed system full of teachers who can't teach. It's a bloated daycare that fails to teach anything of lasting or meaningful value.

[Anonymous No.17200629]

>>17199240
It was honestly one of the most compelling book I've ever read. It demythologized a lot of elements in it (Such as Cassie Bernall standing up for Christ). Worth a read.

[Anonymous No.17200667]

>>17199240
Just play Doom 2 and listen to KMDFM.

[Anonymous No.17200697]

>>17200164
You made a claim, now support it with evidence