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Never read poetry before. I only have interest in Baudelaire, Rimbaud and Mallarmé. What do you recommend?

>> No.17191623

Mallarme is difficult, i recommend you read Baudelaire first, then verlaine(don't skip him faggot), then Rimbaud, then read a shit ton of 17th century french theatre, and then read mallarmé

>> No.17191911

>>17191623
This. Mallarmé will filter you hard if you only read Baudelaire and Rimbaud. Why are you only interested in these three anyway? It's a pity

>> No.17192072

>>17191911
Who else is worth reading and preparatory before Mallarmé?

>> No.17192108

>>17192072
he's a pioneer in many things concerning poetry, so, it will be hard to find much that can help you. try reading other symbolists, poe and canonical french poetry.

>> No.17192150

>>17192072
>Who else is worth reading and preparatory before Mallarmé?
nigga it's on a fucking weight lifting competition, mallarme only becomes "appealing" and "justifiable" once you've exhausted the other symbolists and their precursors

>> No.17192159

>>17192150
*not a fucking...etc

>> No.17192164

>>17191623
>>17191911
Well, I've tried to read Les Fleurs, but I didn't get it. Anyway, what plays and poets should I start with before Mallarmé?

>> No.17192169

>>17192164
lmfao

>> No.17192178

does jk huysmans fit into this tradition as well? also 18th century and before french writer recs?

>> No.17192192

>>17192164
extreme bruh moment
>>17192169
seconded
>>17192178
Huysmans adored Mallarme
they're similar in the sense that they're both difficult to read, but Mallarme is an explicit symbolist while Huysman is not, and is usually classified as a decadent. he also didn't write poetry, etc...but you'll obviously notice similarities

>> No.17192205

>>17192164
I don't think you need to know a defined set of poets before reading him. You need to become more accustomed with poetry. So starts with "simple" poets (La Fontaine, Prévert, etc.) and slowly build your way towards new forms of expression and more "hard" poetry. Read slowly and read aloud. Being familiar with the literary movements is also helpful.

>> No.17192204

>>17192178
>18th century and before french writer recs
i'd like some too, i've only read Racine/Corneille/Moliere

>> No.17192235

>>17192192
>he also didn't write poetry
I have a good news for you anon:

Ainsi qu’un cœur brisé, ton cul saigne, mignonne,
Les règles à grands flots coulent, et, affamé
D’amour et de mucus, faune enthousiasmé,
Je bois ton vin sanglant et je me badigeonne

Les lèvres d’un carmin vaseux qui me goudronne
Et moustaches et langue. — Ah ! dans ton poil gommé
Par les caillots fondus, j’ai, mainte fois, humé
Une odeur de marine, et pourtant ça t’étonne

Que je puisse avaler ton gluten sans dégoût ?
— Mais c’est le vrai moment pour un homme de goût
De barbouiller sa bouche au suc rouge des règles

Alors que les Anglais ont débarqué joyeux !
Pour activer le flux, vite l’ergot des seigles,
Car si baiser est bien, gabahoter est mieux !

>> No.17192240

>>17191560
Learn French first or don't bother, should go without saying.

>> No.17192246
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17192246

>>17191560
The english romantics

>> No.17192301

>>17192235
LOL holy shit why am i not surprised

>> No.17192304

>>17192246
shit that's a great set, jizzed in my pants

>> No.17192321

>>17192246
nah

>> No.17192444

>>17192321
Missing out on some of the greatest poetry, if not the greatest poetry, ever written in the english language.

>> No.17192901

>>17192444
I don't disagree it just had nothing to do with the thread

>> No.17193072

Georg Trakl

>> No.17193086

>>17192321
Beckford's Vathek though

>> No.17193097

>>17191560
Read some Baudelaire, Rimbaud and Mallarmé.

I mean, can you tie your own fuckin shoelaces?

>> No.17193794

>>17192164
That's only because all existing translations of les fleurs du mal suck ass.

>> No.17193847

>>17191560
T.S Eliot. Before reading his stuff I wasn't a very big fan of poetry outside of the epics, since the only poetry I had been exposed to were the Romantics which get a little old after a while, and more contemporary poetry which is insufferable.

>> No.17193974

>>17192246
But not the shitty ass penguin editions

>> No.17194971
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>>17191560
Verlaine is better than Baudelaire and Rimbaud. Don't ignore him.

>> No.17195052

>>17194971
based

>> No.17195101

>>17191560
>Never read poetry before
>Yet he wants to start with stuff that will filter him before he even has the chance to get into poetry
You're setting yourself up for failure

>> No.17195612

>>17195101
Well, how do I get into poetry? Do I have to start with the greeks? I just want to read simbolyst poets and maybe some decadent movement lit.

>> No.17195623

>>17195612
Start with an anthology and get familiar with the technical aspects of it. Mallarmé said he didn't wish to be read or understood by the uninitiated, only by poets. For example, there is a contemporary French philosopher, whose name escapes me, who called Mallarmé's work gibberish.

>> No.17195739

>>17195623
Start with an anthology of the english romantics, or maybe some american poets if you're in the US.
Don't start with the greeks. Poetry works best in the language it was written for, reading poetry in translation is a waste of time.

>> No.17195773

>>17195623
Lol wasn't it that retarded faggot Onfray? He's the embodiment of a midwit contrarian, he's dismissed marx freud and mallarmé(i think), what an embarrassment.

>> No.17195922

>>17195739
Good advice. Poetry in translation is simply the translator's take on what the original was trying to say. Also, the blood of poetry is the sound.
>>17195773
kek yeah there is a vid on the éclair brut channel that has him speaking about the poetic experience and he mentions his dislike for Mallarmé in that.
>>17195612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auqLczPNPI
here is a vid of a fictionalized interview with an actor playing Mallarmé based off what he had written in articles etc. It contains his views on poetry and also a few readings.
Claude Debussy wrote a homage to one of Mallarmé's most popular poems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9iDOt2WbjY

>> No.17195928

>>17195922
Forgot to add that the interview vid has English subtitles if you are an anglo.

>> No.17196219

>>17195928
You shouldn't go around calling people Anglos on the internet.

>> No.17197248

>>17195922
Merci ânon, fantastique vidéo

>> No.17197253

>>17195922
based Rohmer poster

>> No.17197286

>>17192164
Do you read in French or in translation?

>> No.17197328

>>17193974
What editions then?