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Michael Malice just discussed Moldbug on the Lex Friedman podcast extensively. It’s only a matter of time that he will go on Rogan and hit the mainstream.

>> No.17190804

Friedman read that ancient Moldbug quote about not being allergic to white nationalism. Malice, née Krechmer, did his best to cover for the 'bug, but those ADL-type smear quotes will haunt him forever, probably.

>> No.17190824

WOW! I dont care

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>>17190824
care detected

>> No.17190958

Oh so you malicepost as well? I think I might make a new thread about his book "The New Right". Check the archive for it and you can see what I've done these past couple of months

>> No.17190968

>>17190787
Michael Malice is the most repulsive stooge in circulation, hopefully grifting election fraud on Twitter retires him to virtual non-existence.

>> No.17190982

>>17190804
Do they really, though? At the end of the day, whether Moldbug said anything of the sort or not, he's completely anathema to the political status quo.

They'd just find some other label to pin on him and tell normal people he's off-limits. Take, for example, democrats calling people seditious lately. That's a pretty serious label and it's stamped on anyone who dares to just call into question that the election could have been frauded.

The reality is you can't avoid the left marking you as dangerous and "abnormal". You gotta roll with the punches, bro.

>> No.17190995

>podcast
>yootoobers

no thanks

>> No.17191016

You're a fucking retard, Curtis. Not /lit/.

>> No.17191028
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>>17191016
He's litkino and there's nothing you can do about it.

>> No.17191037

Yarvin's writings are ok, too verbose but I like his book recommendations. Lincoln The Man was quite good.

>> No.17191055

>>17191028
He's literally not. He markets himself to extremely online STEM kids who think because they taught themselves how to run python scripts that they're part of the intelligentsia.

>> No.17191067

>>17191055
No he's almost the exact opposite of this actually. How do you people feed yourselves? Like you never can understand a single fucking thing correctly. I dont get it. Why is there such a massive gap between your perception of reality and reality?

>> No.17191070

>>17191037
I'm going to be compiling a compendium on his recommendations sometime soon (and a few other folks as well who are similar to him that aren't directly his recs) as a guide for a true third positionist pathway with full descriptions (anti-democracy/oligarchy) and prescriptions from neocameralism, absolute monarchism, and anarchism.

e.g. figures like Carlyle, de Maistre, the Libertarian 3 (Mises/Rothbard/Hoppe), Junger, Schmitt, etc.

>> No.17191074

>>17190995
Lex Friedman has a good podcast though

>> No.17191128

>>17191074
he rambles and ends up asking like 4 questions at once. also uses the words brilliant and human like crutches. I guess nobody else would interview these people but i am starting to dislike him. also vry jewish

>> No.17191145

>>17191067
>maybe if I vomit up the Right Opinions, I'll get a fucking CRUMB of power!
That's literally all that goes through their heads. It's also why they will never get that crumb of power.

>>17191070
You had better fucking put Reflections of a Russian Statesman on there. RoaRS and The State in the Third Millennia are both godtier.

>> No.17191158

>>17191128
I find him annoying and bluepilled to an extent too

I don't like his talking like a robot shtick either. Thaddeus Russell,

>> No.17191169

>>17191158
>I don't like his talking like a robot shtick either.
is 4chan really for you?

>> No.17191185

>>17191169
we dont talk like robots we talk cool like nick mullen

>> No.17191195

>>17191158
my post cut off I meant to finish with Thaddeus Russell being a pretty decent podcaster for getting noteworthy dissident guests

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>>17190787
>when asked about his favorite fiction books, Curtis mentioned Star Wars

>> No.17191241

>>17191234
link to quote?

>> No.17191243

>>17190787
>pic
now that guy just ignores hot women in a bar

>> No.17191253

Name a better living political thinker than Moldbug.

>> No.17191261

>>17191243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aa2UJX_EpQ

He was a stunna back then

>>17191253
I don't want to say it, but Kissinger is still alive, and he was Secretary of State after all.

>> No.17191291

>>17191261
Okay under 95 years old

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>so my son asked me the other day
>"Dad, how will we go to the beach?"
>and I said "Henry... what?"
>He said "DAD! How. Will. We. Go to the beach?"
>and I said um "HENRY. I heard you the first time, but you're not making any sense."
>and he said, um, very clearly "Dad, if Trump builds a wall around the whole country, how will we go to the beach?"

>> No.17191312

>>17191308
^_^

>> No.17191320

>>17191074
He’s so jewish it’s hard to listen to. In that episode with Dan the history guy, Lex kept hammering on the question “I don’t understand how the Germans could do such evil acts against a minority, I don’t understand how people could go along with scapegoating these people”. Almost like he was going to cry. Imagine being THIS unaware of the JQ, what do you expect from a kike, they literally lack the ability of introspection.

>> No.17191329

>>17191320
>scapegoat
literally a mechanism for transferring Jewish guilt to gentiles

>> No.17191331

>>17191320
>>17191329
back to /pol/

>> No.17191334

>>17190787
I stopped watching JRE as soon as he went over to Spotify. Bad move.

>> No.17191341

>>17191331
YWNBARW

>> No.17191347

>>17191261
Was Kissinger really that good? It seems like National Security Memorandum 200 backfired hilariously badly.
>we need to slow population growth to ensure orderly access to resources because if the population is too young they might get up to no good
>largely ineffectual in much of the third world, West now needs them as warm bodies to prop up their own population pyramid and pay for pension gibmedats

The US also spent way too much effort on anti-Soviet activities post-WW2 while institutionalizing all manner of stupidity at home.

>> No.17191360

>>17190787
>Lex Friedman
Never heard of this guy before but I checked him out now and he sounds like a sleepy retard. Is this what's hot with the kids nowadays? An even more boring Joe Rogan?
Also they didn't talk about Moldbug much at all, just muh racism muh controversy. Cringe desu.

>> No.17191391

>>17191070
please make a nice chart and shill it here a couple times a week until it catches on

>> No.17191400

>>17191074
>good podcast though

It's really not. Speaking from a point of certified midwitticism, the guy is pinnacle midwit. As another anon pointed out, he often labels things as "brilliant" or "genius", as if he has the authority to be awarding such labels when he's clearly a dilettante at best in every subject he discusses. He knows a little bit about a lot, which gets his foot in the door to have discussions with people far more intelligent than him (basically a pretentious joe rogan). He also says stupid shit argued from feelings, like how he kept repeating "I just think we need more love in the world :)))" in his first interview with Malice when talking about internet trolling. Another mark of midwittery is his complete inability/avulsion to even engage with taboo subjects, like etho-nationalism. He sees a label associated with an idea or person (like how he saw "white nationalism" being associated with moldbug on wikipedia) and then his brain turns off and screams "BAD BAD BAD! We need to be careful about how we approach these subjects! Think of all the stupid people whose opinions we have to curate!" I also find it stereotypical and distasteful how he always brings up the holocaust whenever any sort of political guest is on. We get it, you're a jew, you think a few jews dying is the worst thing that ever happened in the history of humanity, thank you for the profound and novel views about how holocaust bad and how we need to ask the question of how we let it happen.

>> No.17191407

>>17190787
>>17191360
>Friedman
>Krechmer
>Moldbug
There's something about these names

>> No.17191418

>>17191360
i agree not sure why he getting so popular anyway it is nice to see that Moldbug getting more exposure even though his solutions are retarded his analysis seems to be spot on

>> No.17191432

>>17191320
>“I don’t understand how the Germans could do such evil acts against a minority, I don’t understand how people could go along with scapegoating these people”.
If only they had left behind some writings or something, so we could understand what they thought. Oh well.

>> No.17191438

>>17191400
>We get it, you're a jew,
So are Moldy and Malice, but they don't have a problem joking about this stuff. This guy is just a normie midwit who wants to be PC.

>> No.17191444

>>17191360
Yeah, Rogan went to Spotify so he no longer exists, this guy is it now.

>> No.17191445

>>17190787
Moldbug on Rogan would be hilarious but it will never happen.

>> No.17191447

>>17191347
Yeah, it was bad foresight, it does read like the idea came under pressure from the 60s, when young people were up to no good. I give him credit though because he was the only US political thinker who actually had the chance to put his theory to practice.

>> No.17191459

>>17191400
I knew he was a midwit because he likes Pink Floyd

>> No.17191464

>>17190787
>Michael Malice
>Moldbug
Why are people on /lit/ taking these idiots seriously? We're supposed to be the patrician board. And before you accuse me of being a leftist, allow me to preemptively refute you: I am a patrician, not a leftist.

>> No.17191478

>>17191445
This, Rogaine almost had an heart attack recently on the podcast when someone brought up the topic of Mein Kampf, then when Jamie looked to see if the book is sold on Amazon he quickly told Jamie to delete the web history because he didn’t want the book to be in his search history.

Joe Rogaine is married to a kike btw

>> No.17191489

>>17191464
>We're supposed to be the patrician
dont care what im seen as honestly, sounds womanish

>> No.17191490

>>17191331
At the end of the day you're the brainlet that can't extrapolate something with the word "jew" into a more generalized statement of opinion. The problem is Lex has an obvious ethnic bias, which limits his thought. Just because he's jewish doesn't mean that isn't true.

>> No.17191494

>>17191478
Based Rogan. We shouldn't waste our time on evil people.

>> No.17191501

>>17191478
>he quickly told Jamie to delete the web history because he didn’t want the book to be in his search history
lmfao
the other day i was looking up urea nitrate bombs on youtube, so many comments like "i must be on a watchlist now"
normies have such a naive idea of what the extremes actually are

>> No.17191502

>>17190787
Where does one start with moldbug? Is there a collected writings or something like that?

>> No.17191503

>>17191494
You will never be a real woman

>> No.17191505

>>17191489
I'm not talking about being seen as patrician. I'm talking about the spirit. You're absorbing the lowly scribblings of plebs.

>> No.17191511

>>17191447
The same liberal establishment was encouraging that in the 60s though. Meh, the US has almost always been run by idiots.

>> No.17191515

>>17191503
Nor would I want to be a woman. I'm just not a 15-year-old loser and Hitler doesn't interest me.

>> No.17191518

>>17191502
He’s extremely verbose. I would start off with interviews, but they are kind of a hit or miss depending on how much stuttering and constant uhm sounds bother you

>> No.17191532

>>17191464
>Moldbug
is connected to some interesting people and it is interesting to see what people with connection to some powerful people think
Peter Thiel talked about a lot of the stuff that happening today in 1996 he is friend with people like Elon Musk who sometimes tweet some interesting stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTPOBEdc7OI

>> No.17191540

>>17191502
here's his blog from 2008. the writing is a kind of dated internet 'wit' and the general ideas are basic, but it's a good introduction to his particular sphere of thought

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives/

>> No.17191541

>>17191502
i would recommend starting with A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations

>> No.17191683

>>17191074
I get his podcast in my recommendations but I don't know why, I hate it. Fridman is an idiot. How did his podcast get big? He seems to be a bit in the Rogansphere/intellectual dark web. Malice was also on Rogan. They're ancaps with a bit of globohomo and Jordan Peterson bullshit.

>> No.17191703

>>17191511
Kissinger wasn't part of that establishment, him and Nixon were getting shit on by the establishment during his whole term. That's why half of these socialists and hippie fucks today call him a war criminal.

>> No.17191728

>>17191028
what site is that?

>> No.17191739

>>17190804
Moldbug defended American slavery, it was practically the first thing that the mainstream press ever reported on him, in like 2014 or something. i can't see a Rogan touching that

>> No.17191776

>>17191028
Holy cringe

>> No.17191788

>>17191728
graymirror dot substack dot com

>>17191739
did he though? Because it seems more likely to me that he debunked the civil war, and the media troglodytes interpreted it as 'defending slavery'

>> No.17191797

>>17191070
>maistre
>junger
>schmitt
>moldug
You're a cheap grifter nothing more.

>> No.17191809

>>17191788
No he explicitly defended American slavery, he was sort of defending Carlyle's view on the matter. You should just read the entire 'Why Carlyle Matters' but here:

Suddenly we see the relationship between slavery and government. Serfdom and slavery can be described as microgovernment and nanogovernment respectively. In government proper, the normal human role of patron is filled by a giant, impersonal, and often accidentally sadistic bureaucracy, which is sovereign and self-securing. In serfdom, this role is filled by a noble house or other large family business, which in turn is a client of the State, and just as fixed to the land as its serfs. In slavery, mastership is exercised by a mobile individual whose slaves go with him.

(Democracy here appears as simply a mechanism for controlling subjects by deluding them into believing that they control the entire enterprise, a pretense which cannot be maintained in the context of serfdom or slavery. In this role it is certainly unnecessary, as physical enforcement technologies are quite sufficient. The mind-control state is obsolete.)

In all these relationships, the structure of obligation is the same. The subject, serf, or slave is obliged to obey the government, lord, or master, and work for the benefit of same. In return, the government, lord or master must care for and guide the subject, serf, or slave. We see these same relationship parameters emerging whether the relationship of domination originates as a hereditary obligation, or as a voluntary obligation, or in a state outside law such as the state of the newly captured prisoner (the traditional origin of slave status in most eras). This is a pretty good clue that this structure is one to which humans are biologically adapted.

Not all humans are born the same, of course, and Carlyle (following Aristotle) takes the view that the innate character and intelligence of some is more suited to mastery than slavery. For others, it is more suited to slavery. And others still are badly suited to either. These characteristics can be expected to group differently in human populations of different origins. Thus, Spaniards and Englishmen in the Americas in the 17th and earlier centuries, whose sense of political correctness was negligible, found that Africans tended to make good slaves and Indians did not. The discoveries of Charles Darwin (who knew Carlyle personally) suggest that this broad pattern of observation is most parsimoniously explained (at least in part) by biological differences.1

From Carlyle’s point of view, a person makes a good slave if he is loyal, patient, and not exceptionally bright or stubborn. But even great intelligence is not necessarily a bar to a good experience in slavery, as the experience of many Greek slave philosophers, such as Epictetus, shows. A slave must carry the unique burden of personal dependency and obedience, which we are all used to expressing only toward impersonal government agencies.

>> No.17191831

>>17191809
There is another post he made that I can't remember exactly, but it's a review of a book by a Northern Abolitionist who went down to the South and changed his mind, ie. he ended up thinking the slaves were better off than their free compatriots in the North.

>> No.17191857

>>17191464
>>17184225
>(((thiel shills))) who spam the board with stupidities
>people attempting to revive right intellectualism
If you hadn't already, now is the time to make a choice.

>> No.17191865

>>17190787
Great. The guy who wants a monarchist neo-libertarian society run by the biggest nerds that American computer science programs can muster....sounds great...

>> No.17191879

Imagine watching some amateur politico discuss a pasty blogger on the podcast of an autistic software developer and think that’s there’s even an ounce of political value there.

>> No.17191910

>>17191070
i can help you with that, i´ll bring you what i have in my vaults

https://pastebin.com/zLKgyg4x

>> No.17191925

>>17191145
>RoaRS

what´s that?

>> No.17191981

>>17191865
His favorite movie is Pushing Tin.

>> No.17192007

>the nihilist prince
Is this Qtardation for Late-GenX?

>> No.17192068

>>17192007
he wants to get filtered into the YA section to avoid the laser cannons of The Cathedral

>> No.17192074

>>17191028
>>17192068
Imagine spending all that time and ThielCoins for shitty memes and 50 likes.

>> No.17192138

>>17191879
Okay. Now what?

>> No.17192154

>>17191308
>if Trump builds a wall around the whole country, how will we go to the beach
What's the catch

>> No.17192210

Why do people always go on about Peter Thiel in threads about Moldbug or similar characters? Shouldn't one want billionaires to fund their ideas as opposed to funding like, intersectionality?

>> No.17192231

>>17192210
>it thinks there's a difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25pX6JacK20

>> No.17192241

>>17191925
Reflections of a Russian Statesman. It's a book by Konstantin Pobedonostsev. He was the power behind the Russian Empire for like three Czars. I prefer it over de Maistre, as unlike de Masitre, Pobedonostsev actually held power.

I just acronymized it for brevity.

>>17192210
Actually doing things is LARP. You aren't serious if you're serious. Believing in things is cringe. Be serious anon, focus on real problems, like how to ensure that Mitch McConnell can get an additional five hundred million dollars to Israel before Biden gets into power.
Thiel is a depraved homosexual and not on our side and I do not want Moldbug to have power, but he won't get power, so it's really a moot point in the end.

>> No.17192250

>>17192231
is justin funded by thiel? I thought he was on the edge of poverty

>> No.17192521

>>17192231
>Anime avatar

garbage

>> No.17192577

>>17192241
The other guys in power are also homosexual pedos though. The entire postwar power structure is based on pedo blackmail. Of course this renders the critiques of democracy moot.

>> No.17192609

>>17192210
>Why do people always go on about Peter Thiel in threads about Moldbug or similar characters? Shouldn't one want glowniggers to fund their ideas as opposed to funding like, intersectionality?

>> No.17192646

>>17192609
You should want your states' GITDs to align with your interests though. It works for Israel, KSA, China, etc.

>> No.17192713

>>17192577
>Of course this renders the critiques of democracy moot.
In as much as the system is inherently illegitimate for being nothing but pedo-blackmail to support Israel which has nothing really to do with democracy so that democracy being shit or not is besides the point, I'd entirely agree. Which is sort of the point: Thiel gives people like Moldbug money, but Thiel is also a depraved homosexual who has no problems with actual pedophilia, and while closer to us than, say, George Soros, is still not on our side.

But Moldbug won't get power, and while Moldbug is less openly malicious than others, or even beneficial for the wrong reasons (I would not argue either way on this), Thiel is only giving him money because Thiel likes funding weirdos so he can invite them to his decadents soirees. People with power and money have been doing this since the dawn of time: get two nerds, bring them to dinner, rile them up, and watch the spergout happen while you and your rich friends laugh and fuck little boys.

>> No.17192740

>>17192713
>the system is...nothing but pedo-blackmail to support Israel
Surely we are being a tad reductive lol

>> No.17192741

>>17192646
>Israel, KSA, China,
Yes, several ways to go long brother.

>> No.17192787

>>17192740
"Support Israel" is only a part of it, but it really is just a pedo-blackmail system yes.

>> No.17192832

>>17191074
Friedman proved to me stemlords are fucking retards. The fact he's so stupid and naive while being a Harvard stem guy proves to me those people are worthless.

>> No.17192852

>>17192832
i think he's a good example of jewish nepotism. his dad is also a prof there. pretty mediocre, but if you stick to the herd and don't interview moldbug they'll take care of you

>> No.17192865

>>17192787
How would you know, are you an elite?

>> No.17192883

>>17192865
I know elephants have trunks but I'm not one

>> No.17192988

>>17192865
Just read about the Dutroux Affair. You can put together most of the pieces.

>> No.17193353

>>17191074

His podcast sucks because Lex is terrible at articulating himself

>> No.17193430

>>17192787
Funny because Alex Jones claimed that as well.

>> No.17193643

>>17191865
So nothing changes then?

>> No.17193648

>>17190824
Dilate

>> No.17193983

>>17191809
I highly, highly doubt Moldbug thinks favorably of chattel slavery practiced by the US in those times.

>> No.17194043

>>17193983
He doesn't think of American slavery the same way you do, whatever concept of horrific chattel slavery you have in your head he likely thinks of as propaganda. Not to put words in his mouth, maybe I'm misremembering his points, but that's what it sounded like to me.

>> No.17194054

>>17194043
Yeah slavery as popularly understood looked like Roots or Django Unchained, kind of a goofy mirage, the reality in most cases was not overrun with cruelty.

>> No.17194154

>>17190787
>Michael Malice just discussed Moldbug on the Lex Friedman podcast extensively
https://youtu.be/RyCNfbngB2g

Why did I have to look this up myself, after 100 posts here

>> No.17194309

>>17193648
guess how I know you're from reddit.

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>> No.17194839

>>17194043
>>17194054
Ignoring the objective fact that the "Roots and Django Unchained" narrative is obviously horseshit, he's quoting Carlyle. Carlyle is the "economics is the dismal science" guy because he didn't agree with the idea that freeing slaves and then forcing them starve to death was a nice thing.

For what it's worth, 25% of American Blacks died within a month of the ending of slavery, and about half died within a year.

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>> No.17194885

>>17190787
Why cant this incel wear a jacket that fits

>> No.17194908

>>17191331
I think he's talking about Leviticus 16

>> No.17194911

HOLY SHIT LOOIISSSSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041XO2PpasY

>> No.17194920

it´s up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5SNRdqF2T4

>> No.17195022

What a perfectly smooth segway to Nick Land. Anyone read his horror stuff?

>> No.17195078

>>17192832
Oh yeah. Be /lit/ or STFU. STEM plebs be like
>yes yes very well
>but what about
>[trap card activated]
>EVIDENCE??

>> No.17195170

>>17195078
what if i am /fitlit/ and STEM?

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>>17190824

>I don't care

>> No.17195399

>>17195170
Do you hate midwit cringe? Do you renounce reddit and all its works? Do you vandalize the Cal Arts style whenever you can?

>> No.17195433

>>17190787
Michael Malice gives anarchists a bad name

>> No.17195442

>>17194054
>>17194043
My ancestor when he died gifted his slaves with lifelong pensions.

Makes me laugh considering you would be lucky to get a pension these days as a free man.

>> No.17195470

most zoomer OP i've ever seen

>BRO!!! BROOOO DID YOU SEE SNERT HAD BONG ON HIS VLOGCAST???? BROOO I THINK HE'S GONNA DEBATE SWEDEGAMER500!!!! THIS WILL BE THE SHOWDOWN OF THE CENTURY!!!

faggot.

>> No.17195498

>>17192138
Now do the world a favor and lobotomize yourself for ever thinking that held value.

>> No.17195518

>>17192210
Billionaires are the cancer that created "intersectionality" in the first place. I'd rather they admit that they are the potential form of the actuality of wokeness and stay on the other side where they belong. Easier to get them on a forward march than having to root them out of the rearward trenches later.

>> No.17195539

Why is faggot shill thread 3000 still up?

>> No.17195578

>>17191809
That paragraph and the ideas expressed within it are an extension of this: https://fee.org/articles/the-tale-of-the-slave/

Regarding Moldbug and slavery, see here:
https://shylockholmes.blogspot.com/2020/01/how-to-interact-with-potentially.html

Okay, you might say, maybe Nick Fuentes is just a naïve fool. But this happened to Curtis Yarvin! That’s right, Mencius Moldbug, the man who taught me more than anyone else about how the media operates, and its role in the power structure of the modern west. He used to have a medium post about the experience, but it seems to be gone now, so I’m paraphrasing the story from memory. It turns out that nearly all of Yarvin’s enemies are too stupid or lazy to actually read through his voluminous and meandering writings (which, to be fair, is a very polarizing writing style – I love it, but others I know and respect find it offputting). So instead, everyone relies on one leftist guy who bothered to read things and happened to find a single infelicitously-phrased remark relating to how the early Spanish in the Americas tended to prefer imported African populations as slaves, rather than the indigenous population. Anyway, one day Yarvin gets a bunch of ridiculous and obviously muck-raking questions from a journalist asking if he supports slavery (something nobody who has read his actual writings could conceivably believe). He writes back a fascinating a thoughtful paragraph exploring the concept through the lens of Robert Nozick’s disturbing and compelling “Tale of a Slave” (read that if you haven’t already, it’s very short and extremely good). The journalist ignores the whole thing, repeats the question again if he supports slavery and insists on only a yes or no response. Yarvin answers “No”. Journalist, predictably, writes article anyway accusing him of supporting slavery.

>> No.17195643

>>17195578
If you just read "Why Carlyle Matters' in its entirety there is some undeniable slavery apologia in there. That doesn't mean he wants slavery reinstituted but he's still defending it, saying it wasn't actually horror of horrors.

>> No.17195656

>>17195643
I think you're misinterpreting him. He is very clearly against slavery. He just doesn't think that it is an evil institution.

>> No.17195669

>>17195656
He compares it to serfdom and wage slavery, and even mentions some ways in which the slave owner or noble are more likely to treat their subjects well than the people who run democracies.

Im aware he is not advocating for slavery to come back, but simply doing that much is slavery apologia, when most people view it as an abomination on a completely different level than what he's comparing it to.

>> No.17195762

>>17195669
It really isn't. Here is Robert Nozick doing exactly the same thing.
https://fee.org/articles/the-tale-of-the-slave/

Consider the following sequence of cases, which we shall call the Tale of the Slave, and imagine it is about you.

1. There is a slave completely at the mercy of his brutal master's whims. He is often cruelly beaten, called out in the middle of the night, and so on.

2. The master is kindlier and beats the slave only for stated infractions of his rules (not fulfilling the work quota, and so on). He gives the slave some free time.

3. The master has a group of slaves, and he decides how things are to be allocated among them on nice grounds, taking into account their needs, merit, and so on.

4. The master allows his slaves four days on their own and requires them to work only three days a week on his land. The rest of the time is their own.

5. The master allows his slaves to go off and work in the city (or anywhere they wish) for wages. He requires only that they send back to him three-sevenths of their wages. He also retains the power to recall them to the plantation if some emergency threatens his land; and to raise or lower the three-sevenths amount required to be turned over to him. He further retains the right to restrict the slaves from participating in certain dangerous activities that threaten his financial return, for example, mountain climbing, cigarette smoking.

6. The master allows all of his 10,000 slaves, except you, to vote, and the joint decision is made by all of them. There is open discussion, and so forth, among them, and they have the power to determine to what uses to put whatever percentage of your (and their) earnings they decide to take; what activities legitimately may be forbidden to you, and so on.

Let us pause in this sequence of cases to take stock. If the master contracts this transfer of power so that he cannot withdraw it, you have a change of master. You now have 10,000 masters instead of just one; rather you have one 10,000-headed master. Perhaps the 10,000 will be kindlier than the benevolent master in case 2. Still, they are your master. However, still more can be done. A kindly single master (as in case 2) might allow his slave(s) to speak up and try to persuade him to make a certain decision. The 10,000-headed master can do this also.

7. Though still not having the vote, you are at liberty (and are given the right) to enter into the discussions of the 10,000, to try to persuade them to adopt various policies and to treat you and themselves in a certain way. They then go off to vote to decide upon policies covering the vast range of their powers.

>> No.17195770

>>17195762
8. In appreciation of your useful contributions to discussion, the 10,000 allow you to vote if they are deadlocked; they commit themselves to this procedure. After the discussion you mark your vote on a slip of paper, and they go off and vote. In the eventuality that they divide evenly on some issue, 5,000 for and 5,000 against, they look at your ballot and count it in. This has never yet happened; they have never yet had occasion to open your ballot. (A single master also might commit himself to letting his slave decide any issue concerning him about which he, the master, was absolutely indifferent.)

9. They throw your vote in with theirs. If they are exactly tied your vote carries the issue. Otherwise it makes no difference to the electoral outcome.

The question is: which transition from case 1 to case 9 made it no longer the tale of a slave?

>> No.17195793

>>17195770
i guess on the transition from 3 to 4
what do you think

>> No.17195814

>>17195770
>>17195762
I only skimmed this because i think it's irrelevant to whether Moldbug's text is apologia, but I would also call this slavery apologia. In the US you simply do not downplay African slavery by comparing it to things deemed normal. From their perspective it makes sense, they believe in progress, they believe things are better now, if you tell them it's similar to slavery then you are downplaying the atrocities of the past.

>> No.17195820

>>17195793
You've missed the point. The point is precisely that which Moldbug made: that bondage and servitude are universal and permanent conditions. Here's the relevant quote from the passage you posted:

"In all these relationships, the structure of obligation is the same. The subject, serf, or slave is obliged to obey the government, lord, or master, and work for the benefit of same. In return, the government, lord or master must care for and guide the subject, serf, or slave. We see these same relationship parameters emerging whether the relationship of domination originates as a hereditary obligation, or as a voluntary obligation, or in a state outside law such as the state of the newly captured prisoner (the traditional origin of slave status in most eras). This is a pretty good clue that this structure is one to which humans are biologically adapted."

>> No.17195829

>>17195814
Moldbug, Nozick, and I are all from the United States. I think you should try using your brain a little bit more instead of mindlessly repeating what the average person would say.

>> No.17195836

>>17195814
its sort of fighting against the tendency to rewrite history to promote an ideology. Falsely inventing the justification for whatever policies you want to implement.

>> No.17195844

>>17195829
Do you feel comfortable publicly stating that wage slavery in democracy is comparable to African slavery in the US? Because that was my entire point from the start, nobody will ever touch this guy when he made statements implying that.

>> No.17195878

>>17195844
I think its ridiculous that a brainwashed idiot saying 'slavery bad white people evil' is more applauded than someone actually putting thought into the issue

>> No.17195911

>>17195844
Nozick's quote is from a book that is read in philosophy departments across the United States. So yes, under the right circumstances, I would feel quite fine making such an assertion.

>> No.17195946

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17196053

>>17190824
>uh Uhh guise, UHHoo I really don't care guise, uhooo I don't care I don'T! Uhhooo

>> No.17196685

>>17195399
Yeah, seems reasonable.

>> No.17196703

>>17195518
>Billionaires
Jews

>> No.17197372

>>17195669
He is also a WW2 revisionist, does that make him a holocaust denier? a lot of people would say yes, even though he thinks the holocaust happened. It's enough just to think that Nazism wasn't a cult of genocidal psychopaths who wanted to eat babies to make progressives put the label on you. The question is: Who gives a fuck what they think is slavery apologia, holocaust denial or whatever else? Moldbug knows he will never be a favorite in the universities, and so what.

>> No.17197377

>>17190787
>moldburg

>> No.17197407

>>17193430
yes the controlled psyop said something based and you're discrediting it because the controlled psyop said it.

like pottery.

>> No.17198379

>>17197372
He doesn't deny the holocaust at all, you could maybe accuse him of Nazi apologia for saying they weren't that much worse than the US and no worse at all than USSR, but that's it.

>> No.17198621

>>17191334
Yeah I can’t blame him, but it really isn’t worth it. Quality has also dropped off lately anyway.

>> No.17198667

>>17198379
I know he doesn't, the point is that nowadays 'revisionist' has the same kind of meaning as 'conspiracy theorist'. It should be a neutral term but it's since become a propaganda weapon to discredit people who go against the mainstream view.

>> No.17199463

>>17193353
I find it endearing how badly he struggles with the word 'the' and when to use it

>> No.17199608

he jew