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Anonymous Sat Dec 26 23:37:16 2020 No.17126986 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 26 23:41:50 2020 No.17127017 the stuff with the aliens was the best part. clear vonnegut is a sci fi writer at heart. the rest of the novel was good but forgettable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 00:51:33 2020 No.17127414 >>17127017 Agreed. There was a lot of sci fi stuff there, even Kilgore Trout whose works a lot of the story followed was a sci fi writer. >tfw you will never be put in a human zoo on a different planet to mate with a hot sexy human actress

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 00:56:06 2020 No.17127442 >>17126986 Why did Vonnegut put the phrase "the heavenly androgyne" in there if he did not have an urge to mate with a beautiful 16-year-old German boy-soldier?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 00:58:08 2020 No.17127448 >>17126986 time as "a stretch of the rocky mountains" impacted me pretty heavily at an early age. hard to live normally when your notion of time gets challenged

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 01:38:43 2020 No.17127628 >>17126986 It's a fun book but it lacks true depth. Vonnegut never traveled through the valley of darkness and it shows.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:17:19 2020 No.17127774 >>17127442 To show how fragile a soldier can be

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:17:59 2020 No.17127776 >>17127448 After I read it just then my perception of time now feels challenged. Where do I go from this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:24:12 2020 No.17127805 >>17127628 Dude literally fought in ww2 and was imprisoned in a pow camp by the germans. Also his sister died from cancer. How is one supposed to reach the valley of darkness?

Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:33:49 2020 No.17127842

>>17126986
I never liked the autobiographical metafiction framing device at the start, to which I'm sure the book owes most of its success. Billy Pilgrim isn't that interesting of a character, but I think the novel would actually be better off without the initial explicit author self-insert. There's some value in showing Dresden and his war friend, and it lets him introduce the Children's Crusade, but I feel like its main purpose is to establish a "trust me, I was there" sense of ethos. Is the novel really better off for it?

I also liked the WW2 stuff way more than the sci-fi stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:35:21 2020 No.17127851 >>17127805 by shitposting on an obscure Congolese salt mining forum

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 02:50:19 2020 No.17127898 >>17127842 >"trust me, I was there" sense of ethos The purpose of the self insert is obviously far more personal and he pretty much spells out why it is there in the first few pages of the book.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 03:11:07 2020 No.17127967 My high school English teacher personally recommended this book to me >what did he mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 03:26:34 2020 No.17128048 Mediocre text that I ended up reading only because of /lit/. Clearly an author shilled only to make the american literary tradition seem bigger than it actually is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 03:32:06 2020 No.17128074 >>17128048 Considering that the American literary tradition is only about 150 years old, rather impressive how large and varied it is. Everything before Twain was European tradition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 04:32:49 2020 No.17128339 my ex borrowed my copy and never gave it back, then got a "so it goes" tattoo

Anonymous Sun Dec 27 07:34:25 2020 No.17128881

>>17127842
>>17127898

>"An American near Billy wailed that he had excreted everything but his brains. Moments later he said, “There they go, there they go.” He meant his brains. That was I. That was me. That was the author of this book."

Best stuff in the book imo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 08:57:02 2020 No.17129154 There is nothing to discuss, it is as pointless as it gets

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 09:46:53 2020 No.17129350 >>17127017 None of the alien shit was real. It was pure cope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 10:30:07 2020 No.17129547 >>17128339 Show us

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 10:30:55 2020 No.17129551 >>17128339 She should've got "So it went".

>>	Greg Coomer Sun Dec 27 12:31:24 2020 No.17130359 >>17127851 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 13:12:37 2020 No.17130673 >>17129551 Heyoo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 13:28:56 2020 No.17130794 Trash, should’ve stuck to purely sci-fi

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 13:30:01 2020 No.17130798 >>17128048 People shill the fuck out of this everywhere, especially Reddit. I always see damm stories of people talking about how this book saved their life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 27 13:32:11 2020 No.17130826 bad

Anonymous Sun Dec 27 14:41:07 2020 No.17131318

It’s good. Idiots only hate it and Vonnegut because he’s popular. None of his work is on par with the greats, nor has anyone claimed he’s one of the best authors ever. He just writes fun novels and pseuds on here can’t stand that. That being said, my favorite novel of his is Slapstick

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