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[Anonymous No.17126256]

What exactly is "slave morality"?

[Anonymous No.17126279]

Massa is so kin. Massa only use whip withou razor blades on it. We oughta be grateful for Massa.

[Anonymous No.17126294]

>>17126256
how npcs behave.

[Anonymous No.17126323]

>>17126256
Group think. The individual realizes he is weak so he seeks out a group with which to wield power over others and make them submit.

[Anonymous No.17126342]

such a based OP

[Anonymous No.17126453]

>>17126256
"traitor"

[Anonymous No.17126463]

>>17126256
being sus when you're not even the imposter

[Anonymous No.17126587]

>>17126256
Anarchocapitalism is literally what Nietzsche was explaining in the "slave morality" passages.

[Anonymous No.17126630]

>>17126256
>slave morality
posting for (You)s
>master morality
posting for truth

[Anonymous No.17126674]

Deeply tied to ressentiment for the masters. Or as N would put it: weak people using sentimental tactics to try and domimate the strong out of spite and self-loathing

[Anonymous No.17126693]

>>17126587
How so?

[Anonymous No.17126858]

>>17126256
This >>17126630
And this >>17126587

[Anonymous No.17128793]

Being weak == being virtuous

[Anonymous No.17128803]

>>17126256
slave morality is everything i dislike

[Anonymous No.17128876]

>>17128803
You are a slave.

[Anonymous No.17128892]

Modernite psychological conditioning

[Anonymous No.17128896]

>>17128803
Unironically what Nidge meant.

[Anonymous No.17128900]

>>17126256
Christards, Trump supporters etc.

[Anonymous No.17128912]

>>17128876
no u

[Anonymous No.17128915]

I believe Nietzsche claims that master morality concerns itself with consequences while slave morality is concerned with intentions.

[Anonymous No.17128920]

Among drip

[Anonymous No.17128923]

>>17128920
he got the drip but do be kinda sus :/

[Anonymous No.17128958]

Chasing women

[Anonymous No.17129035]

A situation where you accept a morality where your entire destiny is decided for you by someone else

[Anonymous No.17129049]

>>17126256
It means ur overly empathic

[Anonymous No.17129099]

>>17126256
Any morality that denies the desires of the self. Universal slave morality is basically what nietzsche was criticizing about society and religion (such as Christianity or democracy)
That said, master morality isn't just an inversion of this, because if it was you would just be a reactionary cuck, however, the reactionary phase is crucial before achieving master morality, he explains it in the 3 metamorphoses in the first chapter of Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.17129160]

>>17126256
neetsches way of saying "the virgin your opinion vs the chad my opinion"

[Anonymous No.17129346]

>>17126256
>>17128803
>>17129160
>master morality means good is strong bad is weak
>slave morality means good is useful bad is strong
woah, this guy was a genius! glad I discovered this life changing part of his philosophy, let me try to summarize his epic reddit post
>me good, you bad
>many people do = weak, bad
>you do some what many people i think do, you bad, weak, slave
>me don't, me good, strong, master

[Anonymous No.17129417]

Wow, /lit/ is stupid as fuck. This thread is the best reason I've found to stop browsing this useless shithole.

[Anonymous No.17129429]

>>17129417
>you dum me smart
>me leave

[Anonymous No.17129432]

>>17129417
(you)

[Anonymous No.17129447]

It's an absurd idea. Biological creatures do not "strive" to do anything but barely survive. Flourishing is lucky outcome. A poisonous frog isn't deadly because it has a will to power, it is poisonous because it was pushed in that direction by other animals. "Master morality" is just an aestheticization of supremacy

[Anonymous No.17129664]

It is a regressive state where you look to people with more power than you to fulfill your needs instead of fulfilling them yourself. What you want turns into an attitude you want your superiors to have. Morality in this context becomes a justification you have of why you don’t act to take what you want by force, not the actual reason you have for not acting in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17129670]

>>17129664
Kind of a proto-Freudian idea

[Anonymous No.17130538]

>>17126463
Lol

[Anonymous No.17130666]

>>17126256
weakness over strength

[Anonymous No.17130818]

the master says "i am good and you are not like me so you are bad"
the slave says "you are bad and i am not like you therefore i am good"

[Anonymous No.17130879]

>>17130818
by the power vested in me by Set Theory™, those are both the same statement

[Anonymous No.17130911]

>>17130879
Literally no.

[Anonymous No.17130996]

>>17129099
first even remotely accurate non-meme response itt
the absolute state of /lit/

[Anonymous No.17131052]

>>17130911
yes, on the literal level they use different words. on the substantive level they are the same thing. read a book, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.17131079]

>>17131052
not like it has much to do with Nietzsche's understanding anyway, but: in anons definition the master understands himself immanently, and the slaves chosen identity is a reaction to who he understands the master to be, so that's one important distinction at least.

[Anonymous No.17131141]

>>17131079
Both of anon's rules establish only one common thing: I am good and you are bad, and we are each those things because we are unlike each other. That is simply not what Nietzsche conceptualized as master and slave morality. Instead it's a vague summary of all morality.

[Anonymous No.17131348]

>>17129346
That's Nietzsche's unironic sperglord philosophy

[Anonymous No.17131366]

>>17126256
Posting this image on 4chan.org

[Anonymous No.17131370]

>>17131366
I'm not sure what it represents, but I like it

[Anonymous No.17131940]

How can post-irony be bad when the OP pic is so funny?

[Anonymous No.17132357]

>>17126256
why don't you read the fucking book, retard.

[Anonymous No.17132885]

>>17129432
why is this still here?

[Anonymous No.17132918]

>>17129429
this but unironically, kill yourself pissant.

[Anonymous No.17133068]

>>17126256
Impotence as an individual, accompanied by a transgression of the dominant social contract via mob mentality.

[Anonymous No.17133110]

>>17131940
It isnt, its a xoomer/millennial cope for having their humor exposed as cringe

[Anonymous No.17133224]

>>17131052
the slave has to perform a double negation to reach his statement of good and even then the conclusion doesn't actually follow

[Anonymous No.17133356]

>>17126630
>>17126256
Any books on master morality?

[Anonymous No.17133371]

>>17129429
Dubs if true

[Anonymous No.17133381]

>>17133371
Rolling

[Anonymous No.17133391]

>>17133381
Rolling again

[Anonymous No.17133401]

>>17133391
Rerolling

[Anonymous No.17133409]

>>17133068
This is the answer btw

[Anonymous No.17133411]

>>17133401
Oh! That was close. Rerolling

[Anonymous No.17133422]

>>17133411
Yes!! Got 'em!

[Anonymous No.17133590]

>>17133110
IDK bro, you kinda sus.

[Anonymous No.17134739]

>>17131366
It's based though, must be master morality.

[Anonymous No.17134816]

>>17126256
every religion every virtue LOL

[Anonymous No.17134959]

>>17132885
>AHHHH SAVE ME JANNY

[Anonymous No.17135334]

>>17134959
That image isn't needed plus it's bullshit that an image of a busty woman in tight clothing can get me banned but a dude with his cock out and semen dripping from his dick has been up for more than a day.

[Anonymous No.17135341]

>>17126463
kek

[Anonymous No.17135345]

>>17126256
Imagine you are a powerless weakling. Should not be hard for you. Now imagine what others should do and what codes they should follow so that you can rule over or at least be equal to chad

[Anonymous No.17135365]

>>17135345
This is actually a pretty good way to put it. Slave Morality is basically every ethical system that is against the exploitation of the weak by the strong.

[Anonymous No.17135367]

>>17128915
Your belief is false

[Anonymous No.17135375]

>>17135365
That guy is wrong fyi

[Anonymous No.17135377]

Jesus fuck, how can a board about words be so shit with communicating?

slave morality is lowering yourself to the level of your lessers for their benefit

master morality is seeking supremacy above all

[Anonymous No.17135385]

>>17135377
You are also wrong

[Anonymous No.17135388]

>>17126256
A mental state where moral values are created from a position of resentment, originating in Jewish slave revolts in Rome according to Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.17135391]

>>17135385
no im not you little peon

[Anonymous No.17135396]

>>17135391
You are in fact so wrong it is clear you just imagined the meanings of the words after reading them on this board

[Anonymous No.17135415]

>>17135375
No I think he got the basic idea right. Nietzsche's idea of slave morality is roughly a moral system that (at least partially) restricts the power of the strong to pursue their self interest by introducing moral obligations to others. If you disagree post your own interpretation.

[Anonymous No.17135418]

>>17135396
oh wait I am wrong

[Anonymous No.17135465]

>>17135415
See
>>17133068

As for master morality, there is a void in regard to resentment that is instead filled by the ability to fulfill ones desires in a way that is not particularly limited by much more than the hours in the day.

Neither slave or master morality have anything to do with screwing over each other, this is a side effect of the reaction of their circumstance and is less than purposeful. Ascension and descension is difficult, as the effects of both lay their tracks on the mind.

[Anonymous No.17135534]

>>17135465
This isn't a plausible interpretation at all. If a necessary condition of slave morality is transgression of of the dominant social contract then living your life as a good Christian in a predominantly Christian society wouldn't be slave morality. But Nietzsche clearly thinks that Christianity is slave morality regardless of how culturally dominant it is.

[Anonymous No.17135587]

>>17135534
You misunderstand Christianity's historical power struggle

[Anonymous No.17135713]

>>17135587
The Christian history is irrelevant, as I said your interpretation entails that being a good Christian in a Christian society isn't slave morality, which clearly isn't Nietzsche's view.

[Anonymous No.17135724]

>>17133068
Pretty good assessment

[Anonymous No.17135824]

>>17128793
This is what I gathered idk why everyone is posting garbage

[Anonymous No.17135844]

When you’re in last place in Mario Kart and you send a blue shell to fuck over the person who is doing too well for himself

[Anonymous No.17135923]

>>17129447
What a braindead take. Nearly all animals of any significant complexity exist in a dominance hierarchy in which they compete for the right to mate. This is so hardwired that you can identify an individuals position in the hierarchy by the relative concentrations of serotonin and dopamine in its brain. Even fucking mice have a sense of fairness.

[Anonymous No.17136178]

>>17128876
I don't like you.

[Anonymous No.17136198]

>>17126256
It means ur not patrician u were raised under peon selfdefeating mentality

[Anonymous No.17136829]

From what I could gather so far he is proposing that in a power hierachy the weak at the bottom bundle together so that they are strong enough to lower the strong at the top.

The strong at the top seek to keep the weak the bottom so that they can benefit from their weak position.

Wouldn't this mean that, as a collective the weak are strong and at the top of the hierachy, and since they lowered the strong's power the hierachy
1) collapses because everyone was made equal (strong got integrated into the weak), the strong rise to the top and the cycle repeats because human nature won't allow otherwise
or
2) the weak collective is at the top and benefits from the strong individuals at the bottom only in a way so that the strong can't benefit from them (-> because of master morality the strong can per definition not bundle together like the weak? -> no way out: the strong either become weak, bundle together, cycle collapses and repeats or the strong become stronger, conquer the weak, cycle repeats)

[Anonymous No.17136837]

>>17126630
(You)

[Anonymous No.17136848]

>>17126256
A moral system that is a reactionary inversion of master morality. Slaves could not change their position in society, so they turned weakness and servitude into virtues. This is all because they resent their masters.

[Anonymous No.17136849]

>>17126279
Literally not even close

[Anonymous No.17136855]

>>17136829
not like you could have done much better with the information in this thread, but have you tried just reading nietzsche instead? it'd be a better use of your time in any case.

[Anonymous No.17136897]

>>17136855
It's true, I only read this thread, I'm going to read Neetz but in which book does he talk about that? "On the Genealogy of Morality" or should I start with something else?

[Anonymous No.17136902]

>>17126587
>t. midwit

[Anonymous No.17136920]

>>17136897
Dude there's a million reading orders online, why are you asking here?

[Anonymous No.17137528]

>>17126342
True.

[Anonymous No.17137594]

>>17135923
There is no fairness.
>Nearly all animals of any significant complexity exist in a dominance hierarchy
Until the mongols invade and rape you to death. The hierarchy is a fiction and can be done away with. It's a mental model, a map, not the territory. Only useful as long as it's conducive to the creation of worthwhile ecosystems.

[Anonymous No.17137667]

Nietzsche's excuse for being an asshole

[Anonymous No.17138287]

>>17137594
>There is no fairness.
A sense of fairness is not the same thing as fairness, just the proclivity to perceive actions as fair or unfair.
>Until the mongols invade and rape you to death. The hierarchy is a fiction and can be done away with. It's a mental model, a map, not the territory. Only useful as long as it's conducive to the creation of worthwhile ecosystems.
I have no idea what point you think you're making here. "Dominance hierarchies don't exist because they can be upended"? Could you be that retarded? For something to be destroyed it must first have existed.

[Anonymous No.17138371]

>>17136849
>>17126279
Or funny

[Anonymous No.17138634]

>>17138287
>the proclivity to perceive actions as fair or unfair.
It doesn't matter. Pigs are slaughtered whether they think it's fair or not. Lowly people are the playthings of superior people whether they like it or not, they might even conceive of it as fairness. There's no insight there
>I have no idea what point you think you're making here.
My initial point was that slave/master morality comes from a place of arrogance rather than a fair assessment of what life is and how it flourishes. A need to aestheticise that which shouldn't be aestheticised. A Raskolnikovian reading of Napoleon's greatness.
>"Dominance hierarchies don't exist because they can be upended"?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. We ultimately aren't held hostage by brain chemistry to feel a certain way because we perceive ourselves to be somewhere in the dominance hierarchy. We can factually rank people along different dimensions, so what? What is your point?

[Anonymous No.17138649]

>>17126256

[Anonymous No.17140059]

SLAVE MORALITY IS MORALITY!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17140082]

>>17135923
>>17137594
>>17138634
>dominance hierarchy
>proclivity
>Raskolnikov
Petersonianism is a mental disorder

[Anonymous No.17140476]

>>17126630
>t. slavecuck

[Anonymous No.17140485]

just look up bugman

[Anonymous No.17140515]

>>17138649
>ignore the people in power and live your life, their miserable and obsessed anyway
>lol Christianity is such cucked slave morality I should know because some day I'll get to manage the Amazon warehouse I'm pulling 10-hour shifts in

[Anonymous No.17140550]

>>17126256
Perhaps not in the Neetcean terms, in my book, master is like Socrates. He acts according to his own beliefs and not that of the society. So basically as an old Lannister saying goes: the lion (master) does not concern itself with the opinion of the sheep (slave). So I don’t see anything particularly slavish in the ascetic masochistic lifestyle of Christian monks if that is what they believe. They are true to themselves. And so they are masters unto the world.