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17122339 No.17122339 [Reply] [Original]

>finish crime and punishment
>conclusion is basically 'yeah ok raskolnikov did some shit and was a weirdo but at the end of the day he has a gf so its all cool'

so is not having a gf really worse than murdering two people? is that what i'm supposed to get out of the 700+ page long novel?

>> No.17122360

>>17122339
This cannot be. You’re not actually serious, are you?

>> No.17122382

>>17122360
it's what it says at the end of the novel.
to be fair it's preceded by a dream about the folly of the idealism that lead him to justify his act.

>> No.17122401

>>17122382
Raskolnikov was being stubborn and refusing to accept his punishment at the end of the novel. He had to humble himself to truly repent and only then was he able to redeem himself.

>> No.17122409

>>17122339
>at the end of the day he has a gf so its all cool
I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

>> No.17122420

>>17122409
>he has to undergo 7 years of punishment but at the end his gf will be there with him so its all good.
>>17122401
and he redeems thrugh love in his manic pixie gf?

>> No.17122465

>>17122339
>is that what i'm supposed to get out of the 700+ page long novel?
Nah, from your shitty reading comp, the conclusion is you're not fit to read.

>> No.17122473

>>17122339
It should have been 500 pages shorter and there should have been more Columbo.

>> No.17122476

>>17122465
>>17122409
>>17122360
I suppose this was more of an exagerated expression of my disappointment with the second part of the epilogue, rather than the entire novel

>> No.17122506

>>17122473
Wrong. It should have been 300 pages longer, and with a ton more granny slaughter.

>> No.17122524

>>17122506
agreed. he should have killed svridigailov and possibly porfiry too.

>> No.17122539

>>17122339
See, this post right here is not an isolated case. This is ACTUALLY how most incels interpret literature. Their thinking is clouded by their blackpill ideology. I am more and more convinced that if you haven't had sex past a reasonable age you'll never even be able to understand the majority of Western canon

>> No.17122598

>>17122524
>svidrigailov
Luzhin too then.

>porfiry
Why would he?

>> No.17122599

>>17122539
the last part of the novel literally says this though. he cries at sonia's knees and fyodor says that through his love to her he is now able to start on his journey to redemption

he ruine a perfectly good novel with a lazy ending

>> No.17122622

>>17122598
Luzhin is a good character though.

>porfiry
because he sits there wanting to bash his skull in whilst porfiry does his detective nonsense.

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17122625

>>17122599
>he ruine a perfectly good novel with a lazy ending

>> No.17122638

>>17122622
Luzhin was even worse than svidrigailov, as the latter was just (at least how I interpreted it) a mere coomer. Luzhin wanted to act like a stereotypical jew and put others in ruin to achieve his selfish goal.

>> No.17122642

>>17122339
If this is true then I'm never going tor read it.

>> No.17122655

>>17122539
This. Virginity either leads to wisdom or, far more commonly, to significant loss of IQ.

>> No.17122658

>>17122638
Luzhin was a fucking idiot that was why he was entertianing.

>> No.17122683

>>17122658
How was he an idiot except for "hmmm, I'll fool them all heheh.." (which almost worked if not for his roomie standing up for the harlot).

>> No.17122706

>>17122683
>implying sonya didnt steal the 100 rubles

>> No.17122882

>>17122339
I thought it was saying that Christianity is what's needed and you can't have morals without it. The girl was instrumental in bringing him to the faith, that's her role, not just the fact that she's a gf

>> No.17122931

>>17122339
I get that he had to accept having a girlfriend and being a normie was the worst possible punishment he could get.

>> No.17123030

You need to stop browsing this Vietnamese death metal throat singing forum, my guy. There’s no way you only got that from C&P unless you see life through memes like a retard would.

>> No.17123060

>>17122339
Yeah, pretty much. We haven't changed much since then either. If you tell people you never had a gf and sex past the age of 18-21, they will freak out. If you tell them that you killed someone instead, they might even ask you for an autograph

>> No.17123120

Thanks OP, this thread makes me happy I am me. Maybe consider returning to literature in 10 years, but until then get some life experience.