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17111057 No.17111057[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

No one has managed to refute his lobster theory yet. Hierarchies are based and capitalism is based, deal with it.

>> No.17111063

>>17111057
He’s not been relevant for a couple years bro, move on. Go larp about someone who actually changed their field

>> No.17111068

People like him and john vervaeke piss me off because they introduce people to great thinkers and their ideas and end up at "just pretend to be Christian" or "just be a pseudobuddhist". Boring

>> No.17111077

>there are hierarchies all over
>therefore hierarchies good
This isn't even what Juden Peterstein says. Peterson says hierarchies are unavoidable, therefore the system will always reflect the tendency towards hierarchy. I don't recall a single instance of him stating hierarchy is good, or something we should want more of. If anything Peterson just takes the typical lib approach of "let people do what they want, and what they want will probably cause hierarchy". OP is so fucking midwit he doesn't even understand the most accessible (read: midwit) thinker of the modern era.

>> No.17111083

>>17111057
>everything is either based or cringe

>> No.17111105

Daddy is back! Daddy daddy!

>> No.17111116

Humans arent lobsters. Retard

>> No.17111119
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>>17111105
>Mikhaila Peterson will never say this to you as you enter the room
Why even live?

>> No.17111123

>>17111057
>deal with it.
>deal with the fact that someone said something

O-Ok?

>> No.17111130

>>17111119

Well, you could always get your own daughter hooked on Xanax by the age of 11...?

>> No.17111133

>>17111116
You mother certainly looks like one when she sun-bathes.

>> No.17111147
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17111147

>>17111057
he was already retroactively refuted by deleuze (PBUH)

>> No.17111164

>>17111147
Becoming-pickle becoming-cringe

>> No.17111165

>>17111057
If he just never got into politics he’s me so much better. If you just focus on his pure jungian works, you can find some really delightful work. His pragmatic classic liberalism is just lame, though well intentioned and noble in some of its goals.

>> No.17111168

>>17111133
You sound like the runt of the group

>> No.17111176

>>17111168
Take your Benzos

>> No.17111267

God created hierarchies. You don't need lobsterman to figure that out.

>> No.17111298

>>17111267
There is no God.

Hierarchies are integral to social animals. They can even be explained as an evolutionarily stable strategy in non-social animals (!). The cost of open conflict is high, therefore institutionalized conflict that tests strength implicitly rather than explicitly is evolutionarily advantageous.

>> No.17111317

>>17111298
You're a typical thinker

>> No.17111362

>>17111068
It's not revolutionary thinkjng but if people followed some of those ideas it would set the stage for a Reformation.

You personally may have a capacity for radical and permanent change in your life but the odds are very slim that is the case. Society is even less likely to change without material change causing that adaptation. There have to be hard boundaries that the personality must push up against and conform to. We have no good and evil anymore. People actually mock you for making a moral/religious distinction about the nature of a person's action.

We need to act "as if" God is watching us so that there is something to give us the strength to make the harder choice if it is the virtuous one. Peterson and his ilk have no direction they want to take you once they have set the stage for you to walk a rigteous path. He is a weak man who fell victim to his own PharmaJewery because it was easier than suffering the fear and anxiety of walking the harder path. He fell off it in maybe 2017, 2018.

>> No.17111372

I wonder if Jordan Peterson would have defended feudalism if he was born during the Medieval era

>> No.17111410

>>17111077
>If anything Peterson just takes the typical lib approach of "let people do what they want, and what they want will probably cause hierarchy"
And your magical alternative is...?

>> No.17111421

>>17111057
People on this board don't have phds from ivy league unis. Understandable.

>> No.17111435

>>17111372
I can't really fit Peterson into that period in history. He is too much a product of Nietzsche and Jung.

>> No.17111472

Guenon refuted Jude Peterstein

>> No.17111503

>>17111410
Everyone must obey me, then I don't have to follow any hierarchies.

>> No.17111509

>>17111503
But being at the top of a hierarchy is still being in a hierarchy?

>> No.17111539

>>17111503
First honest response I've gotten here and I've been on /lit/ since before 9/11 happened.

>> No.17111561

>>17111057
Capitalism is so fucking epic bro I cant wait to live in my Amazon Pod , jesus christ you people are pathetic

>> No.17111595

>>17111561
Peterson is cringe but capitalism is indeed based. No one actually cares about muh poor people or muh proletariat or muh children in Africa, its pure LARP. If people actually cared we would have already done something about it. Sociopaths are unironically actual Ubermensch and this is why most CEOs and successful people are batshit psychopaths or sociopaths. When Nietzsche talked about creating your own moral system he was talking about sociopaths, not empathyfags (I.e. last men), they're physically unable to.

>> No.17111605

>>17111372
Feudalism was based and a peasant had more freedom than a modern day working man. Less taxes too.

>> No.17111617

>>17111561
He says while using the internet in his first world capatalist country which enables him to shitpost on 4channel.org
You're a fucking hypocrite, either stop being a pussy or go the way of uncle Ted if you actually believe in your larp

>> No.17111683

>>17111063
>He’s not been relevant
Who decides that? The corrupt main stream media? Post-modern professors?

>> No.17111797

Peterson should take the Islam pill.

>> No.17111800

>>17111797
He doesn’t think War Lords are worthy

>> No.17111864

Peterson isn't a political scientist or philosopher. His specialty is psychology. His political and philosophical knowledge are rudimentary in comparison to his expertise on psychology but his status as a professor gives off the idea that he must know what he is talking about in these manners to uninformed observers watching one of his viral videos.

His initial viral fame emerged after he got involved with a political debate regarding trans pronouns and criticizing "sjws" on campus, reflecting populist sentiments among conservative leaning young white men online. He also had some controversial comments regarding feminism and religion that made him popular with the sort of Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan type fanboys. These people take what he says as gospel because they may not be familiar with him his background as a psychology professor rather than political science or philosophy. Those with interests in the subject matter would be better off being directed to people whose specialty is in those fields.

>> No.17111884

>>17111057
What is the lobster theory?

>> No.17111897

>>17111605
You might just be retarded

>> No.17111904

Some choice Peterson moments
>"So, as I said already, women's studies, and all the ethnic studies and racial studies groups, man, those things have to go and the faster they go the better. It would have been better had they never been part of the university to begin with as far as I can tell. Sociology, that's corrupt. Anthropology, that's corrupt. English literature, that's corrupt. Maybe the worse offenders are the faculties of education" Peterson said

>To combat this "corruption", Peterson proposed creating a "postmodern lexicon detector”, which would allow students and parents to scan potential university courses and avoid the ones that are allegedly "ideological." Facing heavy criticism, he has since retracted this idea.[137] His means of surveying the entirety of the social sciences and humanities to determine their corruption – including anthropology, archaeology, history, geography, political science, sociology, classics, English, comparative literature, music, visual arts, religious studies, and law – remains unknown.

>Peterson has associated postmodernism with the conspiracy theory of Cultural Marxism. Peterson has produced multiple videos on Cultural Marxism, which he views as a threat to western civilization. Peterson supports the political repression of supposed Cultural Marxists – he accused professors at the Ontario Institute for the Studies of Education of being a "fifth column" for supposedly promoting Marxism, and stated that Institute educators "should be put on trial for treason."[138] This is even though Peterson was, by his own admission, a "socialist" in his youth.[139]

>"I don't see any regulating force for that, that terrible femininity. And it seems to be invading the culture and undermining the, the masculine power of the culture in a way that's, I think, fatal, I really do believe that."

>"Is it possible that young women are so outraged because they are craving infant contact in a society that makes that very difficult?"

>"There was no equality for women before the birth control pill. It's completely insane to assume that anything like that could've possibly occurred. And the feminists think they produced a revolution in the 1960s that freed women. What freed women was the pill, and we'll see how that works out. There's some evidence that women on the pill don't like masculine men because of changes in hormonal balance. You can test a woman's preference in men. You can show them pictures of men and change the jaw width, and what you find is that women who aren't on the pill like wide-jawed men when they're ovulating, and they like narrow-jawed men when they're not, and the narrow-jawed men are less aggressive. Well all women on the pill are as if they're not ovulating, so it's possible that a lot of the antipathy that exists right now between women and men exists because of the birth control pill. The idea that women were discriminated against across the course of history is appalling."

>> No.17112069

>>17111904
damn hes hella sexist

>> No.17112084

>>17111063
He’s still as relevant as was when he entered the spotlight 2-3 years ago. You thick?

>> No.17112091

>>17111057
merry christmas ya canadian bastard
god bless you sir

>> No.17112185

>>17111298
>Hierarchies are integral to social animals.

So is mutual aid. Now what fuckface? Keep elevating biology to cosmology and get nowhere.

>> No.17112497

>>17111057
>destroyed by Slavoj Zizek
>destroyed by fellow pseud Sam Harris
>destroyed by layman Matt Dillahunty
Honestly any time Peterson steps outside of standard psychology he should be clinically ignored.

>> No.17112500

>>17112084
His brain is mush now, my dude.

>> No.17112586

>>17111298
>(!)
God, I bet you try sucking your own pencil dick every night you go to bed

>> No.17112599

Literally whos trying to push back the waves of the ocean lmfao

>> No.17112610

>>17111605
This is what uncultured /pol/tards actually, unironically, believe

>> No.17112793

>>17111063
you will never be a woman

>> No.17112839

>>17111904
Holy fuck what a retard

>> No.17112844

When did you guys realize he was a fraud??
For me, he was doing a lecture on Nazi symbolism and said
>You see, the Nazis appropriated the Swastika from the Hindu religion, which originally meant evolution, but the Nazis were so evil they inverted the symbol

>> No.17113926

>>17112793
you will never have sex

>> No.17113931

>>17111904
can't not read this in his voice kek

>> No.17113947

>>17112844
When the introduction to his book was written by some kike

>> No.17113959

>>17111503
don't do it, it's not fun.
source: karamazov brothers.

>> No.17113966

>>17111683
Considering not even the academic world discuss him (just larping right wingers who haven’t actually read him), I’d say he’s not relavent. He may come back in ‘21 with a new book, who knows.
>>17112084
Lol, keep thinking that
>>17112793
Thank fuck. Who would want to be a woman??? (Ignoring butterfly)

>> No.17114006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeL-Fn0V8iU

>> No.17114309

>>17111884
It’s that you can physiologic𝘢lly put your penis in your own mouth

>> No.17114397

>>17114309
Some can

>> No.17114415

>>17111057
Yes, and female spiders eat the male. Wolves care for their injured. Birds fly in perfect formations without a leader. Ants have only one "leader". Troops of baboons have foregone most hierarchy. Willow Tits can have a range of social structures from Despotic to totally Egalitarian...and the egalitarian ones survive winter much more easily. Platypus have no hierarchy, neither do many solitary animals.

Point being, animals display an unbelievably wide range of social behaviors. They don't serve as a blueprint for human societies, and humans differ quite a bit from animals, specifically we all either
A. Have and excercise free will
B. Pretend we have free will with the exact same consequence as if we actually do.

So, wtf does it mean to humans that lobsters like hierarchy? Who even ever called for abolishing ALL hierarchy? Even the most radical Anarchists believe in hierarchy of expertise.

>> No.17114472

Muh justified hierarchies

>> No.17114490

Dostoyevskiy sucks. I don't own anything to anyone, he can take this redemption bullshit up his ass.

>> No.17114538

>>17111904
Holy based

>> No.17114570

>>17111904
wheres the lie?

>> No.17114614

>>17111904
Forgit one

"I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft." - Jordan Peterson

>> No.17114680

>>17114415
This won't get a response. Based though.

>> No.17114695

>>17114415
>Point being, animals display an unbelievably wide range of social behaviors. They don't serve as a blueprint for human societies, and humans differ quite a bit from animals
this is like basic common sense, I have no idea how this hack managed to convince everyone with this retarded lobster narrative

>> No.17114728

>>17111904
>he accused professors at the Ontario Institute for the Studies of Education of being a "fifth column" for supposedly promoting Marxism, and stated that Institute educators "should be put on trial for treason."[138] This is even though Peterson was, by his own admission, a "socialist" in his youth.[139]
lmao holy shit this guy

>> No.17114737

>>17112500
He really is the modern Nietzsche, people laugh now but in 50 years he'll have reshaped the world.

>> No.17114739
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17114739

>>17111683
you're a walking meme

>> No.17114749

What is the IDW you may ask? The intellectual dark web (IDW) refers to a group of people who have been marginalized by the mainstream media and academia for their heterodox political views. They are usually politically liberal, but hold unorthodox opinions on race, gender, immigration or Islam that contradict the progressive orthodoxy. The movement grew out of the cultural backlash against social justice and political correctness in mainstream media.

Some examples include Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, Andy Ngo, Tim Pool, Douglas Murray, Sargon of Akkad. The IDW is not about racism or sexism, it's about defending free speech at all costs. They are the true liberals imo and can be seen as a backlash against a sort of Cultural Marxism. The IDW has been often criticized by the left for being 'alt-right' sympathizers and even alt right themselves. But this is not true, as they are against racism and sexism.

Their objective is to provide a counter-narrative against the far left narratives being pushed by mainstream media. The IDW can be considered as an anti-establishment movement that comes from the center right perhaps, and although they are not 'part' of it, some dissidents in the alt-right have expressed their support for them. But this does not mean that members of the IDW themselves identify with or are part of the alt right. The IDW's core values are based on classical liberalism and freedom of speech. They often criticize the modern left for being authoritarian, intolerant and opposed to free speech as well as the alt right. Peterson is not alt right. Get the facts.

>> No.17114756

>>17114749
everyone you listed is trash

>> No.17114764

>>17111057
Hume did, a bit before Peterson piped up.

>> No.17114782

>>17112610
There are clues that show humans became smaller in the industrial era, which indicates that they lived in worse conditions than feudal serfs. Be careful you might be more retarded than poltards.

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>>17112185
Which approach sounds more reflective of how humans act: Cosmology or Biology? With that in mind, which approach would lead to more effective and beneficial societal arrangement?

>> No.17114864

>>17114415
I thought his point was that humans have hierarchies and that being at the bottom is terrible, so work at moving up a hierarchy rather than wax poetic about destroying them