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[Anonymous No.17110074]

Best books on social ontology? Or social relations in general?

[Anonymous No.17111040]

I can give you the analytic side, though i'm not sure if it is the kind of 'ontology' you're looking for. It is mostly just trying to fit social objects into analytic metaphysics, in the Quinean sense of ontology as 'what there is'. It is just arguing about what kind of an existence Groups, Kinds, and the like have (ie. are they mereological groups? is membership a parthood relation? or are they sui generis objects?). If you're looking for how an individual experiences 'existence in the social' or 'their social existence' or something like that, this will be of no interest to you. And it is heavy on the contemporary metaphysics, so without a cursory understanding of that you might be a bit lost (for example, a common position is a global supervenience theory of groups, but that may not make much sense without knowing the discussions around metaphysical dependence). It is also linked quite heavily with the methodological individualism vs holism debate (ontological individualism vs realism in this case) and social construction literature, and all the feminist theory that entails (though aside from Haslanger i haven't included any of that).
I would say read https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/social-ontology/ and if you're still interested, check out the list below. I've avoided the philosophy of language stuff because i don't like it.
>The Construction of Social Reality - Searle
>On Social Facts - Gilbert
>The Metaphysics of the Social World - Ruben
>The Construction of Human Kinds - Mallon
>Resisting Reality - Haslanger
>The Reality of Social Groups - Sheeshy
>'The Supreme court and Supreme Court Justices' - Uzquiano
>'The Metaphysics of Groups' - Effingham
>'Ontological individualism reconsidered' - Epstien
>'The location problem in social ontology' - Hindriks
>'Reduction, explanation, and individualism' - Kincaid
>'The presidential address: Social objects' - Quinton
>'What are groups?' - Ritchie
>'The metaphysics of social groups' - Ritchie
>'Social wholes and parts' - Ruben
>'What Collectives Are' - Copp
>'Individualism and Global Supervenience' - Currie
>'Walking Together: A Paradigmatic Social Phenomenon' - Gilbert
>'The Looping Effects of Human Kinds' - Hacking
>The Social Construction of What? - Hacking
>'The Reduction of Society' - Mellor
>'Realism and Human Kinds' - Thomasson
>'Supervenience Doesn’t Entail Reducibility' - Kincaid
And stuff to do with the collective intention and group agency:
>'Modelling Collective Belief' - Gilbert
>'Aggregating sets of judgments: An impossibility result' - Petit and Christian
>'Groups with minds of their own' - Petit
>Group Agency - Petit and List
>'The Collective Moral Autonomy Thesis' - Copp
>Groups as Agents - Tollefson
>Convention - Lewis

[Anonymous No.17111261]

Sartre because you must know what you hate.
Simmel because he's based.

[Anonymous No.17111264]

>>17110074
On the Jews and Their Lies :^)

[Anonymous No.17112072]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17112717]

>>17111040
>analytic "philosophy"

[Anonymous No.17112726]

>>17111040
actual autist

[Anonymous No.17113551]

>>17110074
Durkheim Weber Marx

[Anonymous No.17113632]

Latour or something

[Anonymous No.17113663]

Based >>17111040
Seethe >>17112717
Kek >>17112726
No, I'm not going to give more than a one word reply, Merry Christmas!

[Anonymous No.17113690]

>>17113551
All sociologists are cancer, is there no other alternative?

[Anonymous No.17113708]

>>17111040
This is the most based response ive seen on this website, but some of those authors are really fucking obscure

[Anonymous No.17114010]

>>17113690
Early sociology is actually extremely based.

[Anonymous No.17114086]

>>17114010
Who do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.17114170]

>>17113690
Yesh xhey're a plague upon Academia. 24% of them are MARXISTS!!!!

[Anonymous No.17114182]

>>17114170
Have sex

[Anonymous No.17114189]

>>17114182
I'm saving myself for MARRIAGE! Degenerate

[Anonymous No.17114611]

>>17110074
Bump

[Anonymous No.17114666]

>>17113708
Satsuki anon is usually in these threads. I think he's a grad student or something.

[Anonymous No.17114696]

>>17110074
How to win friends and influence people

[Anonymous No.17115144]

>>17114696
No

[Anonymous No.17116312]

>>17111040
Based analyticfag. Would also suggest Ladyman / Ross - Every Thing Must Go for an updated account of structural realism (which includes but is not limited to social ontology). If OP wants something more in the Franco-Germanic tradition check out Gilbert Simondon, whose major thesis was just translated into English a few months ago.

[Anonymous No.17117261]

>>17114086
I already recommended you Weber and Durkheim. Simmel + Tönnies also

[Anonymous No.17117636]

>>17114189
kek

[Anonymous No.17117656]

>>17111040
Based, I love you anon

[Anonymous No.17117659]

>>17111040
>satsuki anon is into analytic philosophy
Depressing and sadpilled.

[Anonymous No.17117867]

>>17110074
Lukacs book on social ontology.
Also Sartre.
Searle.

[Anonymous No.17117934]

>>17110074

[Anonymous No.17118510]

>>17113690
Why are sociologists cancer?

[Anonymous No.17118596]

>>17117934
btw this book is mostly based on the social phenomenology of Alfred Schulz, who is very relevant for OP

[Anonymous No.17118623]

>>17111040
Not a fan of this anons avatar posting but I’ll admit this is one of the better posts he’s made

[Anonymous No.17118989]

>>17117867
Which book by Sartre?

[Anonymous No.17120136]

>>17110074
Bump

[Anonymous No.17120629]

>>17118989
Being and Nothingness

[Anonymous No.17120638]

>>17116312
Whatever happened to complex systems anyways
They were the hotbshit in the first decade of the millenium and threatening to revolutionise social studies but they seem to have lost a lot of steam and popularity since

[Anonymous No.17120649]

>>17113690
Only going full quant STEMlord (game theory) - as that one can at least produce reasonably sound models.

>>17120638
Jews, unironically. Process/agent based approaches got drowned out by the much more popular voices that amount to mental gymnastics with little to no predictive power, but makes us feel better about ourselves.

[Anonymous No.17120882]

>>17120638
academic trends are more fad than progress

[Anonymous No.17121182]

Hegel - Phenomenology of Spirit, Philosophy of Right, Philosophy of Aesthetics
Merleau-Ponty - Phenomenology of Perception, The Visible and the Invisible
Derrida wrote some essays on the subject, but I can't remember what they were called

[Anonymous No.17121258]

>>17121182
by the way, has anyone here read Sloterdjik's spheres 'trilogy'? that's supposedly about a phenomenology of intersubjectivity and community as well.

[Anonymous No.17121279]

>>17117934
>91jiu1ANAL.jpg
haha

[Anonymous No.17121312]

>>17121258
I've only read his du musst deiner leben andern but honestly the book was pretty underwhelming

[Anonymous No.17121621]

>>17111040
nice

[Anonymous No.17122308]

>>17111264
no

[Anonymous No.17122786]

>>17118989
Critique of Dialectical Reason

[Anonymous No.17122922]

>>17122786
N

[Anonymous No.17122946]

>>17120638
cybernetics / general systems theory was subsumed by the business world as axiomatic. the ideas still flourish today, just not under the same rubric.

[Anonymous No.17122952]

>>17121258
read the first one, it's pretty disappointing. reads more as an eccentric connection of art historical readings, didn't come across as a serious work of philosophy to me. rule of thumb: the worth of a philosophy book is inversely proportional to the number of references it makes

[Anonymous No.17123327]

>>17111040
Proof that you can read a lot of challenging work and lower your intelligence.

[Anonymous No.17123405]

Herbamare piskak

[Anonymous No.17123431]

>>17111040
Based and analyticpilled. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.17123631]

>>17122952
>the worth of a philosophy book is inversely proportional to the number of references it makes

There are some exceptions but yeah its a good rule of thumb

[Anonymous No.17124632]

>>17123327
What is the proof?

[Anonymous No.17124643]

>>17110074
Anything by Marx

[Anonymous No.17125005]

>>17124632
he's gay